"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

Just trying to figure out if I am being to stingy. Of course if you travel for work and those expenses are reimbursed, then you wouldn't need to. The perks of working for one of the bigger corporations.

I often wonder whether I should quit my current job and go work for one of those big consulting firms that is constantly sending their employees on travel.

[QUOTE=ArcherSterling;2692778]She received a showcase showdown compilation of cash and prizes totaling $500 for a 12 hour overnight all access affair. Only had to buy her one drink![/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=IluvSmellyFish;2693902]Just trying to figure out if I am being to stingy.[/QUOTE]It's included in my personal sugar budget, but separate from any "gift" or "allowance". Of course, the level of meal / room depends greatly on the recent performance of said baby. If the effort ain't there, it's KFC and kool-aid!

Started conversing with a sweet new pot the other day. She mentioned she had been called a unicorn in her profile, so I had to send a message to make sure she knew what that meant in swinger-speak. She didn't know the specifics, but the context of her being called it were accurate to the definition. She's very bi and into group activities. My current #1 baby is also bi. Unicorn and I had a rapport by message and set up a M&G for tomorrow. We both were clear we have other sugar going on but would be interested in occasional play together. She also mentioned her desire for some group action. Win.

So, during last night's visit to the FC with SB #1, I brought up the unicorn, and to my delight, she's all about it. After tomorrow's M&G, if all looks well, I'll exchange their contact info and let them work out the details. Time to renew that gym membership and get some cardio in. One 24 yo baby is hard enough to keep up with. 2 may kill me, but I'll die with a smile. Now time to sacrifice a chicken on the altar of the gods of no cancellations.

-Colo.

Yeah. I account for meals and hotels in my budget, but don't include it in the allowance calculation. If I did, my "prize" package would regularly clock in around $350-$500, but without including hotel and meal, it ranges between $150 - $350 (depending on region and the baby).

[QUOTE=Colonoscopy;2694189]It's included in my personal sugar budget, but separate from any "gift" or "allowance". Of course, the level of meal / room depends greatly on the recent performance of said baby. If the effort ain't there, it's KFC and kool-aid![/QUOTE]

So as a member of SD4 Me I get a random contact from a SB in Texas telling me how she so wants to meet me. I PM her back asking how a Texas SB would work for a San Diego SD. Clever her, she has a car and if I send gas money she will drive out and treat me real nice. Hmmm, guys what do you think the chances are she would actually show up? Think I will string her along to get some nude pictures then drop her.

[QUOTE=Colonoscopy;2690742]

A friend of mine is a big believer in the Autumn / Winter "cuffing season", when those who are normally happy being "single" pair up for the cold months by instinct. What's everyone's take on cuffing season and its affect on sugar babies? Or is it just the pre-holiday season where these ladies are more strapped for cash than usual?[/QUOTE]There's definitely something in the air. I canceled my SA account a few months ago after upgrading my SB to SO. Since the weather started getting colder out I've been overwhelmed by girls that I hadn't seen since Spring / Summer reaching out to me via email or text. There's girls that I never made a M&G with due to time conflicts or lack of interest reaching out as well. I even noticed my steady SB / GF has gotten more affectionate around the house now.

It could be money for the holidays or some female psychological urge. Who knows, but the season is keeping these girls on their toes and hopefully on my d1 £k and balls.

[i]Woulda sent this via PM but the box is full.[/i]

[QUOTE=Feral1;2695515]So as a member of SD4 Me I get a random contact from a SB in Texas telling me how she so wants to meet me. I PM her back asking how a Texas SB would work for a San Diego SD. Clever her, she has a car and if I send gas money she will drive out and treat me real nice. Hmmm, guys [b]what do you think the chances are she would actually show up? [/b]Think I will string her along to get some nude pictures then drop her.[/QUOTE]

Just for the cost of gas money she' gunna "treat you real nice?" No extra sugar? And you don't have to pay return travel fees?

I wouldn't call a girl who does this "clever," rather scheming, scamming or rinsing.

But hey, if you send me your Visa card number, expiration date, code on the back & zip code, I'll make sure she gets to your house! Yeah, that's the ticket! Or, we'll call you from Cancun.

Good luck!

[QUOTE=Feral1;2695515]So as a member of SD4 Me I get a random contact from a SB in Texas telling me how she so wants to meet me. I PM her back asking how a Texas SB would work for a San Diego SD. Clever her, she has a car and if I send gas money she will drive out and treat me real nice. Hmmm, guys what do you think the chances are she would actually show up? Think I will string her along to get some nude pictures then drop her.[/QUOTE]I wouldn't even bother with that from my previous experience, it's usually a scam. I've learned from my previous mistakes. I once fronted an SB $20 for gas money to meet up. I talked to her for about two months before my visit to the city. Aparantely she didn't have enough money for gas and I wasn't in the mood for driving to her. So, I just sent it via money gram. I never heard back from her again and it was only $20. I consider myself lucky and now I wouldn't even dream of sending anything. If they are out range in the city that I am visiting, I wouldn't even bother.

[QUOTE=Falar;2695876]I wouldn't even bother with that from my previous experience, it's usually a scam. I've learned from my previous mistakes. I once fronted an SB $20 for gas money to meet up. I talked to her for about two months before my visit to the city. Aparantely she didn't have enough money for gas and I wasn't in the mood for driving to her. So, I just sent it via money gram. I never heard back from her again and it was only $20. I consider myself lucky and now I wouldn't even dream of sending anything. If they are out range in the city that I am visiting, I wouldn't even bother.[/QUOTE]I second this. The "travel money" scam is the one of the most common in long distance sugar. Google "mail order bride scams" and read all about its progenitor. Some of these con artists are willing to go to extreme lengths for a payout, however small. Look at the example here. Two months of conversation to clear $20. She could likely have made twenty times that with the same time investment playing things straight and actually meeting with a SD during those hours.

If a baby is that destitute that she can't afford to get to your location, then either travel to her (though you run the risk of finding a catfish at the other end of the road), or better yet, find someone closer or with the means to reach you. A better option is to offer her reimbursement for the trip costs, though quite a few salty daddies have used this as a reverse scam, and veteran babies will be just as wary of that offer as a daddy should be of the travel money request.

Of course, I've read plenty of accounts of well-off daddies flying potentials into their city on their dime, putting them up in a room, just on the chance it pays off. If you've got the means, and the up front layout of capital isn't going to set you back, then by all means, go for it if you think the potential reward outweighs the risk. I believe the finance guys call this "speculation". Just be prepared to take your losses if the investment tanks.

-Colo.

[QUOTE=Colonoscopy;2694812]Started conversing with a sweet new pot the other day. She mentioned she had been called a unicorn in her profile, so I had to send a message to make sure she knew what that meant in swinger-speak. She didn't know the specifics, but the context of her being called it were accurate to the definition. She's very bi and into group activities. My current #1 baby is also bi. Unicorn and I had a rapport by message and set up a M&G for tomorrow. We both were clear we have other sugar going on but would be interested in occasional play together. She also mentioned her desire for some group action. Win.

So, during last night's visit to the FC with SB #1, I brought up the unicorn, and to my delight, she's all about it. After tomorrow's M&G, if all looks well, I'll exchange their contact info and let them work out the details. Time to renew that gym membership and get some cardio in. One 24 yo baby is hard enough to keep up with. 2 may kill me, but I'll die with a smile. Now time to sacrifice a chicken on the altar of the gods of no cancellations.

-Colo.[/QUOTE]Everything was sounding great. SB #1 liked the idea, we exchanged Kik usernames with the unicorn, and had a meet and greet set for tonight. Then the unicorn started pressing us on specifics on the sugar before meeting us in person, and then, strangely started asking about our possible pot smoking habits, whether we did, if we could get some, and whether I'd be interested in forgoing a cash gift and providing her with some quantity of smoke instead. W-T-F? I live in a state that still hasn't passed medical marijuana laws, much less decriminalized simple possession, and here's this chick I met online asking me to commit a felony before we ever meet? DANGER WILL ROBINSON. DANGER. At best, she's got no common sense, and really poor judgment. At worst, local vice is now doing entrapment stings on SA.

SB #1 and I both agreed it will be much better if we forgo the mythical creature hunt, and instead, she finds us a third party. A tiny part of me thinks she just wants to ensure that whoever it is is less attractive than her, to ensure my post-3 some loyalty. If so, I'm actually okay with that. She's going to be more into it if she isn't worried I'm going to drop her for the strange, and if she picks the girl, then they're going to have a better time together, which should == me having a better time.

-Colo.

Gentlemen,

Some of you may already be aware of this, while others may not. I certainly was not so I'm posting in the interest of enlightenment.

It was time to renew my prescription for my little blue vitamins, which I get from All Day Chemist in India. My SO and I have recently moved into an apartment in the city, and I did not have an off-site mailbox set up yet. I went to my local UPS store that has mailboxes, and inquired about a one-month rental.

I was quoted a price for 3 months, their minimum, but was also told that they now have package receipt service, where for $5 per package, they will accept mail for anyone, and all I have to do is track it and go there when it shows they've received it, pay the 5 bucks, and no one is the wiser.

Clearly one of the brotherhood at UPS thought of that one!

So I loaded up 45 on my green dot card, placed my order with ADC, changed my shipping address to me, in care of the UPS store, and that was that. Thank you my Brother in Brown, whoever you are!

Happy holiday to you all, and keep up the good work.

Cheers,

Scott.

Quantitative Metrics I use for The Sugar World.

Cost Per Orgasm (CPO) = Total cost of the encounter / number of orgasms achieved.

Face / Body / Attitude / Performance (10/10/10/10)= Ratings of each one of those characteristics.

Time on Station (TOS) = total amount of time of the date.

Time in hole (TIH) = total amount of time behind closed doors.

This is how I will make quantitative evaluation of my Sugar World encounters. Rank the qualities that are most important to you and measure them. Of course the qualitative evaluations rein supreme. But everyone has a budget. And I like to get value for my money.

[QUOTE=Colonoscopy;2696020]Then the unicorn started pressing us on specifics on the sugar before meeting us in person, and then, strangely started asking about our possible pot smoking habits, whether we did, if we could get some, and whether I'd be interested in forgoing a cash gift and providing her with some quantity of smoke instead. W-T-F? I live in a state that still hasn't passed medical marijuana laws, much less decriminalized simple possession, and [b]here's this chick I met online asking me to commit a felony before we ever meet?[/b] DANGER WILL ROBINSON. DANGER. At best, she's got no common sense, and really poor judgment. At worst, local vice is now doing entrapment stings on SA.
-Colo.[/QUOTE]Not worth the risk, bringing drugs into the equation.

[QUOTE=Smokarz_XO;2693900]Damn, I used to frequent the DR forum on ISG. Some pretty damn fine pussies over there. Share some pics if you can bud.

Rock on![/QUOTE]If it is the Dominican Republic then HWG will be interested as he digs the exotic babes!

[QUOTE=FScott;2696202]Gentlemen,

Some of you may already be aware of this, while others may not. I certainly was not so I'm posting in the interest of enlightenment.

It was time to renew my prescription for my little blue vitamins, which I get from All Day Chemist in India. My SO and I have recently moved into an apartment in the city, and I did not have an off-site mailbox set up yet. I went to my local UPS store that has mailboxes, and inquired about a one-month rental.

I was quoted a price for 3 months, their minimum, but was also told that they now have package receipt service, where for $5 per package, they will accept mail for anyone, and all I have to do is track it and go there when it shows they've received it, pay the 5 bucks, and no one is the wiser.

Clearly one of the brotherhood at UPS thought of that one!

So I loaded up 45 on my green dot card, placed my order with ADC, changed my shipping address to me, in care of the UPS store, and that was that. Thank you my Brother in Brown, whoever you are!

Happy holiday to you all, and keep up the good work.

Cheers,

Scott.[/QUOTE]Noted. Thanks if I ever have to order something over seas.

[QUOTE=SubCmdr;2696828]Quantitative Metrics I use for The Sugar World.

Cost Per Orgasm (CPO) = Total cost of the encounter / number of orgasms achieved.

Face / Body / Attitude / Performance (10/10/10/10)= Ratings of each one of those characteristics.

Time on Station (TOS) = total amount of time of the date.

Time in hole (TIH) = total amount of time behind closed doors.

This is how I will make quantitative evaluation of my Sugar World encounters. Rank the qualities that are most important to you and measure them. Of course the qualitative evaluations rein supreme. But everyone has a budget. And I like to get value for my money.[/QUOTE]Now that's what I call having the expenses of sugaring down to a science. Good work bro.

[QUOTE=PghGuy2005;2697561]If it is the Dominican Republic then HWG will be interested as he digs the exotic babes![/QUOTE]I'll take the Asians everyday and twice on Sunday. I love those lean little girl like bodies.

I had to travel for work, so hotel and travel was already a sunk cost. I own my own company, so I want to maximize the value!

I used to be in the consulting racket, but that was long before SA came along. Used to have to chat horny broads up in CompuServe Chat rooms, and emailing a photo over dial up was always a chore.

But at least none of them ever wanted a penny out of me, and tehre were some hot fucks back in the day.

[QUOTE=SubCmdr;2696828]Quantitative Metrics I use for The Sugar World.

Cost Per Orgasm (CPO) = Total cost of the encounter / number of orgasms achieved.

Face / Body / Attitude / Performance (10/10/10/10)= Ratings of each one of those characteristics.

Time on Station (TOS) = total amount of time of the date.

Time in hole (TIH) = total amount of time behind closed doors.

This is how I will make quantitative evaluation of my Sugar World encounters. Rank the qualities that are most important to you and measure them. Of course the qualitative evaluations rein supreme. But everyone has a budget. And I like to get value for my money.[/QUOTE]I find the time and effort just to get to the m&g should be tracked. I'm new to the SBSD4 me sit and have had lots of trouble with pro's and bad attitude girls. After on month going next week to first m&g. If this doesn't work out will rethink the entire program.

The last new profile in my area (large multi-college town-18 to 29 yr old (Caucasian / Asian) was 1 week ago. Typical seasonal slump? Or a scary new trend?

[QUOTE=ArcherSterling;2698719] Used to have to chat horny broads up in CompuServe Chat rooms, and emailing a photo over dial up was always a chore.

But at least none of them ever wanted a penny out of me, and tehre were some hot fucks back in the day.[/QUOTE]DUDE! CompuServe? Dial Up? Huh? What are they?

Oh wait! Google is your friend. Aren't those from pre-historic days?

Doesn't that make you a Dinosaur?

Oh WAIT! I resemble that remark!

[QUOTE=FredMoore;2698753]The last new profile in my area (large multi-college town-18 to 29 yr old (Caucasian / Asian) was 1 week ago. Typical seasonal slump? Or a scary new trend?[/QUOTE]Still seeing plenty of new ones in my area. The two scary trends for me are the increase in the number of not very UTR's and outright pro's on SA; and the fact that they ALL think they are going to get 500 per meeting. I'm just getting busy again after being out of town for a few months. This week I saw a 38 year old MILF who showed up in a little black dress, heels, and as I soon found out, very sexy lingerie. We chatted for a while and then she showed off major league cock-sucking skills. She came across as a bit sex starved and we never discussed allowance and when she left I neglected to slip her anything. I texted her after and told her we should discuss how I could help her, and she came back with 500. Haven't responded to that yet. My second M&G for the week was a 23 year old college student. In the course of texting she asked for 500 also. I responded no thanks, and she immediately dropped to 200. That is higher than I usually go, but I was all about the slim, blonde, blue eyed college girl look so I agreed. She was a lot of fun and I am sure I will have her back, though it certainly wasn't her first rodeo. Overall I am getting lots of responses to my messages.

[QUOTE=Dsprdo;2698797]Still seeing plenty of new ones in my area. The two scary trends for me are the increase in the number of not very UTR's and outright pro's on SA; and the fact that they ALL think they are going to get 500 per meeting. [/QUOTE]Where does $500 come from? Are they on the IG and ****** sites pumping each other up to GPS levels? Reality hits and they will either adapt or go away. UTR is scary because they are high volume. If you think you have a Low or exclusive and she is banging and blowing 5 guys / day you are licking the toilet bowl. I check out the BP and CL blogs and these girls are servicing a LOT of Dudes.

[QUOTE=FredMoore;2698753]The last new profile in my area (large multi-college town-18 to 29 yr old (Caucasian / Asian) was 1 week ago. Typical seasonal slump? Or a scary new trend?[/QUOTE]RVA has had few new postings.

Between exams, end of semester panic, holiday travel and family, the younger SBs get more tied up this time of year.

There is a short window between now and end of semester that some might need Christmas gift money, which can be a great source of gratitude.

My Capitol HIll Aide SB was lamenting how broke she was and wanted to give some co-workers / friends and folks back home something for Christmas. Called in a favor with a friend who is a beauty distributor and got a dozen of last years' hot stocking stuffer items (retail for $15-$20) and sent them to her. She about fell over, and let me know when I see her this week I can do whatever I want to her. And I won't give her a penny beyond fronting her gifts. Cost me less than $100.

[QUOTE=ArcherSterling;2698867]RVA has had few new postings.

Between exams, end of semester panic, holiday travel and family, the younger SBs get more tied up this time of year.

There is a short window between now and end of semester that some might need Christmas gift money, which can be a great source of gratitude.[/QUOTE]That makes sense. I bet once the semester ends you'll see a lot more activity- (new profiles, more emails, etc.) from the babies who are on Christmas break. The same thing will probably happen again in late spring once summer break starts.

[QUOTE=ArcherSterling;2698719]I had to travel for work, so hotel and travel was already a sunk cost. I own my own company, so I want to maximize the value!

I used to be in the consulting racket, but that was long before SA came along. Used to have to chat horny broads up in CompuServe Chat rooms, and emailing a photo over dial up was always a chore.

But at least none of them ever wanted a penny out of me, and tehre were some hot fucks back in the day.[/QUOTE]Ah the early days of dial up! Or if she was a real geek, having to UUDECODE an encoded hex file!

[QUOTE=FredMoore;2698811]Where does $500 come from? Are they on the IG and ****** sites pumping each other up to GPS levels? Reality hits and they will either adapt or go away. UTR is scary because they are high volume. If you think you have a Low or exclusive and she is banging and blowing 5 guys / day you are licking the toilet bowl. I check out the BP and CL blogs and these girls are servicing a LOT of Dudes.[/QUOTE]This is one thing I look for when repeating with a lady. Is she still on SA as much as I am after we've got something semi-regular arranged? Just how often? Sometimes, the UTR pros are easy to spot, but I'll admit to having met one on three or four occasions before realizing that even if we weren't on a "clock" she was definitely watching the "dollar value per time spent" thing much more closely than I and always seemed to have another "engagement" shortly after our hook-ups. Exclusivity, I never expect in a SB, but a low volume (bf. Maybe, fbs (1-2), and sd) is ideal. Just like those old public service commercials. You're not just hitting that, you're hitting everything that's hit that. The higher the volume, the more likelihood of a bad choice or two, or just getting unlucky with some preventive device failure.

Plus, I do like to feel appreciated and liked by the ladies I'm seeing. My current regular and #1 baby recently asked for and additional night per week for no additional allowance. That's a good way to show me she's interested, and in turn to keep my interest.

-Colo.

So I recently dodged the marriage mistake and am now fully single. So naturally I decided to open a new profile on SA and upgrade it. I noticed in my search results some profiles that simply did not appear on my old profile (not upgraded). Anyone else notice this?

Ok. I know I have read methods on here about hotel rentals but need some updating. Here is my situation.

I have been away from the bowl for awhile but am working on a POT (I will fill in a long list of details after this weekend). We are working on our first FC visit. Now. I do have an SO do not want the room on my CC and would prefer not to use my real name (POT does not know my real name either) . Here is my plan. Let me know if this may work. Also I am reserving a room at a nicer hotel so not a pay by the hour joint.

THE PLAN:

Reserve online reservation under assumed name and fake address using a prepaid gift card ($500 limit so will clear the room easily).

Show up w / o the pot to check in. Say I lost my license but have reservation number and copy of the online document. They will have my Sd email too to add some legitimacy.

I can produce some fake biz cards too if needed.

Think this will work? If not please provide suggestions!

[QUOTE=LikeMike1963;2701488]Ok. I know I have read methods on here about hotel rentals but need some updating. Here is my situation.

I have been away from the bowl for awhile but am working on a POT (I will fill in a long list of details after this weekend). We are working on our first FC visit. Now. I do have an SO do not want the room on my CC and would prefer not to use my real name (POT does not know my real name either) . Here is my plan. Let me know if this may work. Also I am reserving a room at a nicer hotel so not a pay by the hour joint.

THE PLAN:

Reserve online reservation under assumed name and fake address using a prepaid gift card ($500 limit so will clear the room easily).

Show up w / o the pot to check in. Say I lost my license but have reservation number and copy of the online document. They will have my Sd email too to add some legitimacy.

I can produce some fake biz cards too if needed.

Think this will work? If not please provide suggestions![/QUOTE]Mike,

As I see it, your plan has a potential fatal flaw, in that if they don't give you access on account of your lack of proper ID, you are fucked, and not in the good way. I did this once, believing myself to be a genius, and I ended up having to reserve a second room in my real name.

It was a very expensive fuck, let me assure you. Now my MO is to reserve on line to get the best deal, using my real name, then check in ahead of time so that when I show up with my baby, we go straight to the room.

I always pay cash, even at the nice hotels, and make sure there will be no paper trail following me home. It requires a little more effort, but I have not found another way around it. Maybe other brothers are more clever?

Hope everyone had a great holiday!

Scott.

[QUOTE=FScott;2701538]Mike,

As I see it, your plan has a potential fatal flaw, in that if they don't give you access on account of your lack of proper ID, you are fucked, and not in the good way. I did this once, believing myself to be a genius, and I ended up having to reserve a second room in my real name.

It was a very expensive fuck, let me assure you. Now my MO is to reserve on line to get the best deal, using my real name, then check in ahead of time so that when I show up with my baby, we go straight to the room.

I always pay cash, even at the nice hotels, and make sure there will be no paper trail following me home. It requires a little more effort, but I have not found another way around it. Maybe other brothers are more clever?

Hope everyone had a great holiday!

Scott.[/QUOTE]

I have had success checking in and stating I was getting the room for a business collegue from out of town. That I prefer to pay cash, not use my I'd, and filled out the registration under another name. I've done this more than once without being questioned. They do want you to put a cash deposit down for incidentals since I did not want to use my cc. I did that and collected the deposit back the next day. On one occasion I did use my cc and was assured it would not be put through or used if there were no incidentals. This procedure is listed in the index if I remember correctly, and it worked for me on more than one occasion.

At the end of the day they care about the sale.

With alot of things, the more you pay, the better a product or service you will get. For example, a $200 guitar is not going to play like a $1500 guitar. The bowl does not work like this. A chart plotting quality versus allowance paid would be very random.

The best SB I've had in the FC did not care how much I gave her, just as long as I put some money in her purse at the end of the night. I was generous, but not overly so. She never complained or counted the money. The worst performers both in the FC and outside the FC seemed to also come with the highest allowances. We are talking about SB's who were dead fish lays.

This brings to mind one of my worst experiences in the bowl: I had a decent meet 'and' greet with a 21, white college student (insert useless major or field of study). Other than her being a little distant and detached, things looked good. We had agreed on an allowance and set up a visit to the FC for the following day. The day of the meet, she kept trying to negotiate via texting a higher allowance from what we agreed upon the day before. I offered $250, but she was pushing for $400. I eventually offered $300 because I was horny and just wanted to get the bang. She kept pushing for $350, so I texted her back that we can just forget the arrangement if she wants to keep complaining about compensation. She then says $300 is fine and backs down. She eventually shows up to my hotel an hour past the specified meet time.

I start undressing her and she is not athletic like she said she was on SA: DD tits, but a little bit of a midsection. She wanted to keep a skirt type of clothing around her midsection like you see in some pornos, but I told her to get completely naked. I ate her out real good until she orgasmed, then got on the bed and told her to suck my dick. She then tells me she can't do BJ's because it gives her lockjaw. At this point I'm like "WTF?" I have never heard the lockjaw line before. I told her, "This isn't going to work. " and start getting dressed. The mood is killed. She watches me put my pants back on, then she backpedals on her bullshit and starts sucking my dick. The effort was poor, but it's better than nothing. Next, I start banging her missionary. She just lays there and moans a little. The same thing in doggie. Because she has no energy, I don't get excited and last way too long. She eventually says, "Are you almost finished? It has been about an hour. " I say, "I'm not done yet. " She replies, "I have class in the morning. " I start pounding her hard and am ready to bust a nut. I was originally planning to cum in the rubber, but because this SB needed to be taught some respect, I pull the condom off, laid my dick on top of her pelvis and spray 10 mL of baby batter all over her. This didn't make her happy, but I am the one paying her, not the other way around.

The clock watching comment would make you think this girl was under the radar, but I knew her real identity / Facebook / Twitter / Instagram and confirmed she was just a college student trying to make rent / bar money. She was so bad in the sack, I thought she might have been a virgin. I think she was just very inexperienced or was trying to get back at me for not giving her what she thought she could get.

Have any of you ever had a SB tell you she doesn't do blow jobs?

[QUOTE=SugarDaddyX;2702364]
Have any of you ever had a SB tell you she doesn't do blow jobs?[/QUOTE]I recently came across a profile on SA that said to message her for her two ground rules. Thought she was pretty good looking so I bit and made contact asking her ground rules. She replied she didn't do anal and didn't give head. No anal isn't a deal breaker but no head just doesn't cut it.

I had an SB give me such a sloppy BJ the forst time, I was worried she was a pro and the second time she said she had her period and wanted to give me a HJ also said she did not like "sucking dick". Well, I never saw her again. I fully respect women's right to not suck their husband's dick but when I am paying an SB she has to be willing to do what I like.

[QUOTE=SugarDaddyX;2702364]With alot of things, the more you pay, the better a product or service you will get. For example, a $200 guitar is not going to play like a $1500 guitar. The bowl does not work like this. A chart plotting quality versus allowance paid would be very random.

The best SB I've had in the FC did not care how much I gave her, just as long as I put some money in her purse at the end of the night. I was generous, but not overly so. She never complained or counted the money. The worst performers both in the FC and outside the FC seemed to also come with the highest allowances. We are talking about SB's who were dead fish lays.

This brings to mind one of my worst experiences in the bowl: I had a decent meet 'and' greet with a 21, white college student (insert useless major or field of study). Other than her being a little distant and detached, things looked good. We had agreed on an allowance and set up a visit to the FC for the following day. The day of the meet, she kept trying to negotiate via texting a higher allowance from what we agreed upon the day before. I offered $250, but she was pushing for $400. I eventually offered $300 because I was horny and just wanted to get the bang. She kept pushing for $350, so I texted her back that we can just forget the arrangement if she wants to keep complaining about compensation. She then says $300 is fine and backs down. She eventually shows up to my hotel an hour past the specified meet time.

I start undressing her and she is not athletic like she said she was on SA: DD tits, but a little bit of a midsection. She wanted to keep a skirt type of clothing around her midsection like you see in some pornos, but I told her to get completely naked. I ate her out real good until she orgasmed, then got on the bed and told her to suck my dick. She then tells me she can't do BJ's because it gives her lockjaw. At this point I'm like "WTF?" I have never heard the lockjaw line before. I told her, "This isn't going to work. " and start getting dressed. The mood is killed. She watches me put my pants back on, then she backpedals on her bullshit and starts sucking my dick. The effort was poor, but it's better than nothing. Next, I start banging her missionary. She just lays there and moans a little. The same thing in doggie. Because she has no energy, I don't get excited and last way too long. She eventually says, "Are you almost finished? It has been about an hour. " I say, "I'm not done yet. " She replies, "I have class in the morning. " I start pounding her hard and am ready to bust a nut. I was originally planning to cum in the rubber, but because this SB needed to be taught some respect, I pull the condom off, laid my dick on top of her pelvis and spray 10 mL of baby batter all over her. This didn't make her happy, but I am the one paying her, not the other way around.

The clock watching comment would make you think this girl was under the radar, but I knew her real identity / Facebook / Twitter / Instagram and confirmed she was just a college student trying to make rent / bar money. She was so bad in the sack, I thought she might have been a virgin. I think she was just very inexperienced or was trying to get back at me for not giving her what she thought she could get.

Have any of you ever had a SB tell you she doesn't do blow jobs?[/QUOTE]

Brethren,

My SB was talking about baby names the other day. It was casual enough until it dawned on me where this could lead. I admit I can be a "dude" sometimes and just going with the flow. A sweet girl, awesome sex and her calling me "Daddy" can cause confusion and poor judgement. It's definitely not your standard vanilla dating scenario.

The baby talk has me thinking this may be going to another territory.

Any of you guys hit this point with your girls?

[QUOTE=Rauder98;2702466]I recently came across a profile on SA that said to message her for her two ground rules. Thought she was pretty good looking so I bit and made contact asking her ground rules. She replied she didn't do anal and didn't give head. No anal isn't a deal breaker but no head just doesn't cut it.[/QUOTE]Had this situation before and it's NOT true no matter what they say. Always, apply the "Brad Pitt" rule to what a girl would do or wouldn't. If you were Brad Pitt, would she (fill in the blank). I had a SB that wouldn't do a BJ or anal at one point. I never pressed, but I focused on becoming the guy she would do those things for.

In time, she'd start bobbing on my Johnson with no request or hinting on my part. I'd make subtle moves like spreading the cheeks further during doggie for example. Gradually built up to grazing the starfish; after a few sessions inserted the tip only. You get my point. My advice would be to gain your girls confidence, but in the time and be patient. The SB / SD dynamic can open up to all types of kink if you're patient.

Gentlemen,

I'm not sure why I didn't think of this sooner, but there you have it. I am currently seeing a baby who has asked me to find a third to join us on occasions. I think I mentioned her a while back. In any event, I have been working SA pretty hard and have been contacting any baby who's profile indicates they are looking for women as well as men. So far, no luck, although I have tangentially picked up two new babies who are added to the line-up.

It has been a ton of work, however, and there have been far more flakes and no-shows than m&g's. Today, however, inspiration struck, and I created a second, far more direct profile, explicity stating that I am an experienced SD with a baby who is looking for a third. My text is short and to the point, and I have high hopes that it will produce at least a few responses. My thought is that this approach will allow the babies to self-select, and in their contacting me, they have indicated a willingness to engage.

At least that's the theory. As we all know only too well, you can never tell what these little fish are thinking. It will take a day for SA to approve my profile, so I expect to be inundated with replies by this time tomorrow.

Fingers crossed,

Scott.

[QUOTE=Mike7794;2702153]I have had success checking in and stating I was getting the room for a business collegue from out of town.[/QUOTE]It worked for me the first time I. E. I said my friend made the reservation. The next time a different hotel insisted the guest on the reservation check in and I had to contact [URL]hotels.com[/URL] to change the name of the guest to my real name.

While searching online for something else I came across many posts where people wanted to know how to check in if a different person made the reservation so it seems more often than not hotels are strict about the person making the reservation actually checking in.

Your best bet would be to use F Scott's method. You can improve on it by using your passport instead of DL as the former does not have your address and if they ask for an address use a P. O. Box, work address or even a fake one!

[QUOTE=PghGuy2005;2703057]It worked for me the first time I. E. I said my friend made the reservation. The next time a different hotel insisted the guest on the reservation check in and I had to contact [URL]hotels.com[/URL] to change the name of the guest to my real name.

While searching online for something else I came across many posts where people wanted to know how to check in if a different person made the reservation so it seems more often than not hotels are strict about the person making the reservation actually checking in.

Your best bet would be to use F Scott's method. You can improve on it by using your passport instead of DL as the former does not have your address and if they ask for an address use a P. O. Box, work address or even a fake one![/QUOTE]When asked for my DL at check-in, as I hand it over I always tell them that I recently moved, and if they are going to send me any paperwork, to let me give them my "new" address. This does two things. One, it lets me know if they are going to send a paper receipt, (which they never do), and two, it lets me get out ahead of the address thing just in case they are going to send me a thank you coupon or something like that.

If they don't ask for the "new" address, I know I'm in the clear. If they do, I just give them something made up, but this has only happened once, and oddly it was at a pay-by-the-hour motel I went to once early on in my career. The clerk said the cops love to come by and look at the guest register for anyone with outstanding warrants on a daily basis. As he was entering my name, he deliberately put a fake last name down while giving me the wink, but I felt a little uncomfortable nonetheless.

[QUOTE=PghGuy2005;2703057]It worked for me the first time I. E. I said my friend made the reservation. The next time a different hotel insisted the guest on the reservation check in and I had to contact [URL]hotels.com[/URL] to change the name of the guest to my real name.

While searching online for something else I came across many posts where people wanted to know how to check in if a different person made the reservation so it seems more often than not hotels are strict about the person making the reservation actually checking in.

Your best bet would be to use F Scott's method. You can improve on it by using your passport instead of DL as the former does not have your address and if they ask for an address use a P. O. Box, work address or even a fake one![/QUOTE]I've only have used this method a few times. It worked each time. Maybe I've been lucky.