NoVA SugarBabies

Good lord. The endless scams on SA make this whole thing pretty tiring. Here's my most recent experiences. Just this week. Sorry most don't have links because they blocked me when I said no to their financial demands. Before even meeting. I do have two in rotation. So it's not a total loss.

Blocked. So no link:

StunningVenus "Happiness is Free" - Profile says Falls Church. But location says Vietnam. Serious red flag. We chat for a little while and then the money demands come. When I say no for the third time. She goes on a tirade. Cray cray.

Princess Cool "Good to Go" - She is moving here from Australia as a critical care nurse (yeah right) and can I help her figure out where to live. After some WhatsApp texting she want me to buy a baby blanket for $350 - but have it sent to me for when she gets here. No thank you. And then blocked.

CheekyMisses. A couple of twenty-somethings who work as a pair. Very flirty and sent some hot pictures on Kik and then the money requests start piling in. Once they knew I was not sending money. Blocked.

Chels3322 - I swapped a few good texts with her and I thought this might be a good fit. She sent a nice picture of her well endowed breasts and she is also quite pretty. Never got past that. She removed access to her photos and then went silent. Maybe one of you scooped her up. She seemed real.

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/bcf27775-79ba-4a51-83e1-5d65d73b410d[/URL]

LovelyMissy. Had a good conversation going. Cute face. But a bigger girl. But thought her vibe was cool and sometimes the bigger girls are a lot of fun. Some solid flirting working up to a meet and greet and then ghost. No more responses.

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/687dc3b8-9800-441f-bbb9-0b41622bef4a[/URL]

One last one who is gone from the SA site. But maybe some of you had interacted with her. Annie from Olney. Latina - We had a date set for this past Thursday. All good ahead of the date and then before I left. I sought confirmation and got nothing. So, I saved myself the trip. The next day she texted (no apology of course) and couldn't believe I was mad that she ghosted me. Soon after her profile went away.

I know some of you guys have a much better experience here. It is just a lot of work. Keep hoping for the diamond in the rough. Happy hunting guys and Happy Holidays.

FH.

[QUOTE=SuckeredByaSB;6268193]Do you guys get your SB presents? I normally hate spending anything more on these girls, but if you have a long term one at a below market allowance, I'm thinking a nice present (say 100-150% of a ppm amount) might be nice and a good investment to keep it going. Thoughts?

Good luck gents.[/QUOTE]I have given modest Christmas gifts to about 3 SBs that I have seen fairly long term (several months to a few years), though not exclusively. I spend about 1/4 to 1/2 of the PPM allowance.

[QUOTE=SuckeredByaSB;6268193]Do you guys get your SB presents? I normally hate spending anything more on these girls, but if you have a long term one at a below market allowance, I'm thinking a nice present (say 100-150% of a ppm amount) might be nice and a good investment to keep it going. Thoughts?

Good luck gents.[/QUOTE]I had my ATF SB in Wilmington, NC. She was gorgeous, 23 why o coed at UNCW, fitness bikini competitor. Because she stopped taking a PPM three months into our 2 1/2 year secret relationship, I bought her presents on the two B-Days & Christmases we were together. Probably an average of $200. Still the best sex of my like. Do it again in a heart beat. I helped her in other ways, other times. Work out gear, a tire once for her Mustang, books, some cash when she was a maid of honor to a GF. Still if I figured it all up, probably averaged $100,1-4 times a month for 2 1/2 years. 3-8 hours of all the fun I could handle, all BB, 7 months in introduced her to Greek, became her favorite playtime activity.

I really think it depends on the arrangement. If it just a FWB, PPM arrangement, I don't feel the need. I have one that is not exclusive. She got butt hurt I didn't make a big deal if her last two B-Days. I don't feel bad about it. It's a total different arrangement then Little Miss Wilmington. Like any Sugar relationship, think with your big head. If no feelings are involved, do what gets you the most MPG!

Roger that.

Dc / nova has a ton of scammers wanting prepayment, selling photos etc.

I found one girl from elite on SA LOL she was surprised I knew.

[QUOTE=FederalHill;6268321]Good lord. The endless scams on SA make this whole thing pretty tiring. Here's my most recent experiences. Just this week. Sorry most don't have links because they blocked me when I said no to their financial demands. Before even meeting. I do have two in rotation. So it's not a total loss.

Blocked. So no link:

StunningVenus "Happiness is Free" - Profile says Falls Church. But location says Vietnam. Serious red flag. We chat for a little while and then the money demands come. When I say no for the third time. She goes on a tirade. Cray cray.

Princess Cool "Good to Go" - She is moving here from Australia as a critical care nurse (yeah right) and can I help her figure out where to live. After some WhatsApp texting she want me to buy a baby blanket for $350 - but have it sent to me for when she gets here. No thank you. And then blocked.

CheekyMisses. A couple of twenty-somethings who work as a pair. Very flirty and sent some hot pictures on Kik and then the money requests start piling in. Once they knew I was not sending money. Blocked.

Chels3322 - I swapped a few good texts with her and I thought this might be a good fit. She sent a nice picture of her well endowed breasts and she is also quite pretty. Never got past that. She removed access to her photos and then went silent. Maybe one of you scooped her up. She seemed real.

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/bcf27775-79ba-4a51-83e1-5d65d73b410d[/URL]

LovelyMissy. Had a good conversation going. Cute face. But a bigger girl. But thought her vibe was cool and sometimes the bigger girls are a lot of fun. Some solid flirting working up to a meet and greet and then ghost. No more responses.

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/687dc3b8-9800-441f-bbb9-0b41622bef4a[/URL]

One last one who is gone from the SA site. But maybe some of you had interacted with her. Annie from Olney. Latina - We had a date set for this past Thursday. All good ahead of the date and then before I left. I sought confirmation and got nothing. So, I saved myself the trip. The next day she texted (no apology of course) and couldn't believe I was mad that she ghosted me. Soon after her profile went away.

I know some of you guys have a much better experience here. It is just a lot of work. Keep hoping for the diamond in the rough. Happy hunting guys and Happy Holidays.

FH.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Jost815;6263784]MarylandLiving17.

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/c14f67fa-73f9-4f91-814d-4544e94368af[/URL]

I think she has been discussed before. Quoted me 1 k per meet. Pass.
[/QUOTE]Yea I reviewed her before. Paid the 1 k several times because I had no better options, and she was coming from Baltimore to see me. Ended up unsatisfied, she wouldn't stay that long, and although it was bare, she wasn't great at fucking and no anal. Told her could do 500, she ghosted me.

[QUOTE=Tophat31;6265424]For many years I had about 5 sbs I would rotate. Each different flavor in terms of ethnicity, height, age. Each one slowly has left the harem though. One had a boyfriend / got married, one moved to Houston, one got pregnant, and one just blocked me out of nowhere. I still have one but she really annoys me.

For those thinking about a sb trip, read back on my posts to read about what a complete nightmare that was. The girl I took is the same one I still see hence why she annoys me LOL. Never ever going to travel with her again but she looks great so. She goes by Maya but that's not her real name but it is close to it for those that may have her in their rotation.

Anyways then I got blocked from SA out of nowhere, wasn't even using it. So it kept me off for a long time. It was time to return and I successfully navigated around the block. Thanks for those who helped with that on here.

Started off as it usually does, sending tons of messages and throwing out lines to see what bites. A lot of escorts on these days. Some reports below and apologize for no links but I can't access the site through my phone bc if the block. Overall this time around was successful but took awhile. I found myself settling and about to do meet ups with girls below standards. It's almost like the grind wears you down. Luckily I reset each time and reminded myself that I'm not on here for a basic sb. Looking for that diamond in the rough. Luckily I found one and met up at the FC. Beautiful 21 year old. She goes by Sophia and some of you are seeing her, or have been. One of you took her to Vegas and Cali. Anyways this 30 day membership is over and I'll have fun with her until I have the energy to look some more. Some reports.

"Prettyfreespirit97" - escort. Her escort name is Dani Marie. She blurs her escort ads but unblurred on SA. She is quite beautiful but her escort rate is 600 an hour. She is a good twitter follow.

"Bbyygigi" - pains me to throw this one to you all. We all have our good regulars that we hold back on reporting about and this was one of them for me. This one was my regular for a few years and she unexpectedly blocked me. I reached out to her a few different ways and blocked each time so its def on purpose. Also goes by Bbygia. Anyways met her when she was 19. Really innocent and youthful. Face is okay but she has a baby face and a petite body which was amazing. Didn't take the d very well at first but over the years she got much better. I don't really know why the block. I think towards the end I didn't spend alot of time trying to get her off. In the beginning I would make sure to do that but I just got lazy. She is a great lay bc of her youthfulness and cute personality.

Anyways. Until the next 30 day membership, see you all soon.[/QUOTE]It's so annoying that SA doesn't allow you to search by username.

[QUOTE=Mcsylv;6268781]Yea I reviewed her before. Paid the 1 k several times because I had no better options, and she was coming from Baltimore to see me. Ended up unsatisfied, she wouldn't stay that long, and although it was bare, she wasn't great at fucking and no anal. Told her could do 500, she ghosted me.

It's so annoying that SA doesn't allow you to search by username.[/QUOTE]Jesus, why would you pay that skank $1 k??

Killing me and killing the market.

[QUOTE=Daisuke;6268885][URL]https://spark.adobe.com/page/aD7rrpEw2Z4aY/[/URL]

Lexi is a great gal that has a great ass. She smelled and tasted fabulous. Chemistry was good, and she has a cute little accent.

BBBJ, but didn't try CIM.

5 $ 1 HR.

She lives further away but travels back here frequently for her clients. She also has an *.[/QUOTE]Wrong forum, this is for SB's, not escorts.

[QUOTE=SuckeredByaSB;6268887]Jesus, why would you pay that skank $1 k??

Killing me and killing the market.[/QUOTE]Sorry you're poor?

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/58122787-4d67-4fc9-8b3f-1618c676b584[/URL]

They want funds for Platonic. Just 2 girls trying to pay off student loans. We also love beach days, shopping, & learning new things (:

Are there Dudes doing this or there are girls with this perception that this works?

[QUOTE=Mcsylv;6268781]Yea I reviewed her before. Paid the 1 k several times because I had no better options, and she was coming from Baltimore to see me. Ended up unsatisfied, she wouldn't stay that long, and although it was bare, she wasn't great at fucking and no anal. Told her could do 500, she ghosted me.

It's so annoying that SA doesn't allow you to search by username.[/QUOTE]Don't pay these girls a grand.

[QUOTE=SuckeredByaSB;6268193]Do you guys get your SB presents? I normally hate spending anything more on these girls, but if you have a long term one at a below market allowance, I'm thinking a nice present (say 100-150% of a ppm amount) might be nice and a good investment to keep it going. Thoughts?

Good luck gents.[/QUOTE]Yes, of course. Did it for my current SB. Also sent some holiday cheer to an occasional FWB who I know is a single mom with kids and who I keep warm. (Typically at this time of year I just try to find an excuse to see them and make sure the gift exchange is mutual but schedule was tight this December.).

This one went straight to text. Said she wants 1 k ppm and will not entertain less. Pass.

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/6fc194d8-e252-458d-b3de-09817406e10c[/URL]

IvanaGrand. You have to give her props for that name though LOL.

[QUOTE=Jost815;6269514]This one went straight to text. Said she wants 1 k ppm and will not entertain less. Pass.

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/6fc194d8-e252-458d-b3de-09817406e10c[/URL][/QUOTE]

Pics are accurate on WYP. Hot Colombian with minimal English. Ask for a gift on first meet only if there was mutual interest. Requested 800 ppm and can't host. Works only part time, so flexible schedule.

[QUOTE=SRH59;6267207]She's not the girl in the pictures. Not really close. And she used pictures of a very hot woman, but she's still attractive. She uses her actual pictures on WYP.

Doesn't speak any English and used her phone to translate. That was kind of a pain. But she's sweet and friendly. The language barrier prevents me from further pursuit. I appreciate building a connection / casual relationship with a woman and seems really tough to do that here.

[URL]https://members.whatsyourprice.com/profile/p3jnZ2Ge0WolzQy041YvKOqB[/URL][/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=SuckeredByaSB;6268193]Do you guys get your SB presents? I normally hate spending anything more on these girls, but if you have a long term one at a below market allowance, I'm thinking a nice present (say 100-150% of a ppm amount) might be nice and a good investment to keep it going. Thoughts?

Good luck gents.[/QUOTE]Sent my top 2 amazon gift cards. 100 and 200. Went over well.

New to this. Signed up to SA. Just wondering if you guys just plain ask if intimacy is included in the PPM or if you sorta just bring it up during the actual meeting. I assume these women are in this site knowing the drill, but some profiles and some of your reports are throwing me off.

Happy Holidays. I haven't been very active on SA so never had much to report. This one caught my eye, so I reached out to her and to be honest, I'm not sure what this was all about, but my experience with CheekyTemptress was a huge waste of time. [URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/5651c028-395c-49c5-94a9-591bdcaf5462[/URL].

Had a good conversation going on SA. She asked to move to Whatsapp pretty quickly (1st red flag); moved to Whatsapp where the approximately 2 week conversation was ok, except for the fact that most of her responses consisted of only 2-3 words (2nd red flag); she told me, "I am looking for an open arrangement where we have something on going and meeting for fun. " Said she couldn't host and agreed to come to me for $350. Two days before the scheduled meet, she asked, "Can you buy me weed?" I told her that I didn't smoke and wouldn't know how to go about it or how to get it to her. She ask me to cashapp her and she'd buy it herself (3rd red flag). I told her I didn't send money to anyone I'd not met. She said ok and said she was looking forward to us meeting. The day before our meet, I asked her to confirm that we were still getting together. She said "yes". The day of our meet, I asked if all was still good, she said "yes." I asked her to let me know if something came up, if she was going to be late or not be able to make it and she said "okay."

Of course, no show, no text, no message, no call.

Although I'm not out any money, I'll never get that time back. Her profile is still active, so be careful.

That said, have any of you guys ever done the unthinkable? When you get the kind of arrangement where you are texting a few times a week and go out for dinner and drinks and not just F in the FC, slowly develop a friendship or connection, what do you do if you start to catch feelings? Or if you think they are catching feelings for you?

It's really the worst case scenario unless you can manipulate it to your advantage without letting anyone get hurt or have it affect your real life.

[QUOTE=SuckeredByaSB;6274073]That said, have any of you guys ever done the unthinkable? When you get the kind of arrangement where you are texting a few times a week and go out for dinner and drinks and not just F in the FC, slowly develop a friendship or connection, what do you do if you start to catch feelings? Or if you think they are catching feelings for you?

It's really the worst case scenario unless you can manipulate it to your advantage without letting anyone get hurt or have it affect your real life.[/QUOTE]It depends. Could be a train wreck or the best thing that's happened.

You choose.

BTW, I meet a sugar that I ended up living with. It wasn't planned but works nicely for all.

[QUOTE=SuckeredByaSB;6274073]That said, have any of you guys ever done the unthinkable? When you get the kind of arrangement where you are texting a few times a week and go out for dinner and drinks and not just F in the FC, slowly develop a friendship or connection, what do you do if you start to catch feelings? Or if you think they are catching feelings for you?

It's really the worst case scenario unless you can manipulate it to your advantage without letting anyone get hurt or have it affect your real life.[/QUOTE]Just fuck them out of your system and always remember you're paying for that piece of ass. They're not real. It's an infatuation.

[QUOTE=AnonDemon69;6273418]New to this. Signed up to SA. Just wondering if you guys just plain ask if intimacy is included in the PPM or if you sorta just bring it up during the actual meeting. I assume these women are in this site knowing the drill, but some profiles and some of your reports are throwing me off.[/QUOTE]Nothing assured, sometimes they want to go straight to intimacy, but more often first meeting is in public, clothes and you chat, any intimacy waits till a subsequent occasion. If their is mutual attraction, sometimes spontaneous adjournment to a motel happens. Gift or no gift on first meeting also varies. Just know your limit and view it a a roll of the dice. Sometimes you win, sometimes you lose. But read profiles. Discretion, no strings attached, open to PPM are usually good clues.

I been seeing one of my SB for over a year. She been hinting about getting into a real relationship. I just keep telling her that if we are in a real relationship she would lose her allowance. That quiet her down a little. I recently got her pregnant, and thank the heavens she took care of that problem. She been clingy, and been pushing for more. She keeps saying that I'm the longest relationship she had. She even ask about me wifeing her up in the future. I just ignore her, and tell her I'm too old for her. She 21 years old and I'm 43 years old.

[QUOTE=SuckeredByaSB;6274073]That said, have any of you guys ever done the unthinkable? When you get the kind of arrangement where you are texting a few times a week and go out for dinner and drinks and not just F in the FC, slowly develop a friendship or connection, what do you do if you start to catch feelings? Or if you think they are catching feelings for you?

It's really the worst case scenario unless you can manipulate it to your advantage without letting anyone get hurt or have it affect your real life.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=SolRayode8;6273790]Happy Holidays. I haven't been very active on SA so never had much to report. This one caught my eye, so I reached out to her and to be honest, I'm not sure what this was all about, but my experience with CheekyTemptress was a huge waste of time. [URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/5651c028-395c-49c5-94a9-591bdcaf5462[/URL].

Had a good conversation going on SA. She asked to move to Whatsapp pretty quickly (1st red flag); moved to Whatsapp where the approximately 2 week conversation was ok, except for the fact that most of her responses consisted of only 2-3 words (2nd red flag); she told me, "I am looking for an open arrangement where we have something on going and meeting for fun. " Said she couldn't host and agreed to come to me for $350. Two days before the scheduled meet, she asked, "Can you buy me weed?" I told her that I didn't smoke and wouldn't know how to go about it or how to get it to her. She ask me to cashapp her and she'd buy it herself (3rd red flag). I told her I didn't send money to anyone I'd not met. She said ok and said she was looking forward to us meeting. The day before our meet, I asked her to confirm that we were still getting together. She said "yes". The day of our meet, I asked if all was still good, she said "yes." I asked her to let me know if something came up, if she was going to be late or not be able to make it and she said "okay."

Of course, no show, no text, no message, no call.

Although I'm not out any money, I'll never get that time back. Her profile is still active, so be careful.[/QUOTE]I wouldn't bother with someone who has no verbiage in her profile. The photo is likely not her.

This hottie has had multiple profiles over the past few years. Pretty, huge breasts, nice skin. Has anyone actually met her?

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/ea0d43ea-f0f0-4bc5-9e25-0e1458843f9f[/URL]#x.

[QUOTE=DickLongwood;6274399]This hottie has had multiple profiles over the past few years. Pretty, huge breasts, nice skin. Has anyone actually met her?

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/ea0d43ea-f0f0-4bc5-9e25-0e1458843f9f[/URL]#x.[/QUOTE]I said 'Hello' to her on Seeking and she said "That all sounds great 😊 what kind of allowance are you offering".

I was turned off.

[QUOTE=WorkYard;6274460]I said 'Hello' to her on Seeking and she said "That all sounds great 😊 what kind of allowance are you offering".

I was turned off.[/QUOTE]But any SB that responds with $ request without us even meeting to get acquainted is not worth my time and so I block them immediately. If all there simply in it for the $$.

I'm going to be sorely disappointed.

Also, I'm amazed at the SB asking for SD but are clear that the engagement will be strictly platonic w / no sex LOL. What SD in their right mind would contact them?

Anyways I'm new in past week and have 3 potential SBs that seem legit and cool and will report back.

[QUOTE=AnonDemon69;6273418]New to this. Signed up to SA. Just wondering if you guys just plain ask if intimacy is included in the PPM or if you sorta just bring it up during the actual meeting. I assume these women are in this site knowing the drill, but some profiles and some of your reports are throwing me off.[/QUOTE]I know of more than one person who got banned from SA because they were a little too direct in their language about exchanging sex for money when messaging on SA. At some point I usually just move the conversation to text or have a platonic meet & greet (usually lunch) and discuss specifics about the ppm subject there.

[QUOTE=SuckeredByaSB;6268887]Jesus, why would you pay that skank $1 k??

Killing me and killing the market.[/QUOTE]I don't think someone paying a girl $1 K PPM kills the market. It just means that girl is out of reach for some.

Kinda like some people buy $9 digital watches at Walmart, and some spend many (many, many) thousands on a Rolex or Breitling or whatever.

[QUOTE=Xaxado;6274600]I know of more than one person who got banned from SA because they were a little too direct in their language about exchanging sex for money when messaging on SA. At some point I usually just move the conversation to text or have a platonic meet & greet (usually lunch) and discuss specifics about the ppm subject there.[/QUOTE]Thanks. I didn't know that they monitor those messages. I will be careful.

Do some guys give an allowance and then also PPM? I think that is excessive. I've been reading in this forum that perhaps the dinner, entertainment, hotel, and PPM is enough to get some intimacy during a meeting, so no allowance needed. Or perhaps just an allowance but no PPM, maybe the allowance gets your more meets? Seems like the younger crowd is more open to this than the entitled later 20's or 30's.

[QUOTE=AnonDemon69;6274671]Thanks. I didn't know that they monitor those messages. I will be careful.

Do some guys give an allowance and then also PPM? I think that is excessive. I've been reading in this forum that perhaps the dinner, entertainment, hotel, and PPM is enough to get some intimacy during a meeting, so no allowance needed. Or perhaps just an allowance but no PPM, maybe the allowance gets your more meets? Seems like the younger crowd is more open to this than the entitled later 20's or 30's.[/QUOTE]LOL no. Just one or the other. I try to stay away from the ones seeking an allowance, at least initially upfront I try to sell them on a ppm arrangement and then if things are going well for a month or two we can discuss an allowance.

[QUOTE=LikesGirls;6274607]I don't think someone paying a girl $1 K PPM kills the market. It just means that girl is out of reach for some.

Kinda like some people buy $9 digital watches at Walmart, and some spend many (many, many) thousands on a Rolex or Breitling or whatever.[/QUOTE]No, that's not the point. I've happily paid $5 k for Omegas and Breitlings. But I'm not paying $1 k for the Casio skank.

The market is the market.

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/acbc2512-c0ab-4746-8112-9051e8177fe9[/URL] BBB Again

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/9332f715-56ab-4718-bdd6-5bdd2d3afc60[/URL] elizxoxo

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/1ef81386-1f97-4f85-87bb-4ee93e5f0196[/URL] Dahlia Rose

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/3833e686-507b-4ffd-acbb-a5cbb2758e16[/URL] Bbyv

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/36fe1217-af78-48dc-b505-1865b7d2235a[/URL] LittleRose

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/9fb2f2dd-7fdc-4eb7-ad66-05184036f473[/URL] Lanafitz93

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/a40ba1e5-622e-428f-ae6d-29ef488c817e[/URL] FlirtyCutie

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/ce790153-b51e-4a09-b97b-f4a83a1e1ae0[/URL] ErikaEnvy

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/messages/inbox/101f277e-635a-4c60-9d89-43f72b01580f[/URL] PersephoneSiren

Appreciate any heads up either via response or PM.

[QUOTE=Lobsid;6274318]I been seeing one of my SB for over a year. She been hinting about getting into a real relationship. I just keep telling her that if we are in a real relationship she would lose her allowance. That quiet her down a little. I recently got her pregnant, and thank the heavens she took care of that problem. She been clingy, and been pushing for more. She keeps saying that I'm the longest relationship she had. She even ask about me wifeing her up in the future. I just ignore her, and tell her I'm too old for her. She 21 years old and I'm 43 years old.[/QUOTE]I'm in my 50's been seeing a 30 something MILF. All nomal boudaries dropped from the moment we met. That she told me last week that our anniversary is coming up, I suppose its a relationsip.

Pros: doesn't matter what I give her as long as I give her something. The sex is absolutely off the charts. Zero limits and insatiable. She's in DC me NY. The geography and us both having lives keeps it from being too frequent and this doesn't bother her. Always BB.

Cons: clingy. Tells me she misses me constantly. How she has not dropped the L word IDK. MILF Bod. Its good, but not a 20 something hard body.

[QUOTE=SuckeredByaSB;6274073]That said, have any of you guys ever done the unthinkable? When you get the kind of arrangement where you are texting a few times a week and go out for dinner and drinks and not just F in the FC, slowly develop a friendship or connection, what do you do if you start to catch feelings? Or if you think they are catching feelings for you?

It's really the worst case scenario unless you can manipulate it to your advantage without letting anyone get hurt or have it affect your real life.[/QUOTE]I've had a handful of experiences where real feelings developed. It can go poorly unless you have a solid head on your shoulders and communicate effectively.

First experience. Relatively early on in my sugaring days, met someone, we connected instantly, and she agreed we would not really have the sugar part. The lack of boundaries scared me a little and I was definitely more into her than I should have been. She moved away so it resolved itself. (Fun fact, her profile pic for a while was her holding a Plan B I bought her. Looking back, we should have had sugar from the get-go and had I been more in touch with my non-monogamous side I probably could have navigated that, because neither of us intended to be exclusive.

Second experience. About a year later, had an incredible ongoing arrangement with a lovely young woman. Sexual chemistry firing on all cylinders plus logistical convenience that led to regular meetings as much as 2-3 times a week. We genuinely connected on multiple levels and I found myself falling for her a bit. It seemed like she was doing the same. She moved in with her folks and that brought it to an end. Looking back, I think had I been able to communicate more directly and effectively, I could have resolved my concerns and kept the dynamic where it belonged. (Fun fact, she is back out on her own again and I still see her from time to time. It's fun but the magic of the original visits is gone.).

Third experience. Last year, hit it off with someone who was definitely falling for me. She wasn't consistently obsessive, and there was a d / s component to the dynamic so it was somewhat wrapped up in that, but it was clear she was over a line I did not want her to cross over. In her defense, the time together was pretty electric, but I most definitely did not not feel the same way. I cut it off, which was drama laden but that helped convince me it was for the best.

Fourth experience. Around the same time, also hit it off with another SB. She's very much my speed on multiple levels, and our chemistry is electric. She was somewhat experienced in poly life and also incredibly clear and communicative. Through our conversations and time together I broke through my own barriers on monogamy and got comfortable with the fact that a part of me really cared for her, and that she cared for me, and that did not undermine or take away from my feelings in my primary relationship. Again, communication has been essential in all of this. We've been together for over a year and it is by far the best arrangement I've had. One of the best relationships I've had. It is healthy and positive and supportive in all ways.

Moral of this story is that you absolutely can enjoy a mature and healthy relationship within a sugar context, but it takes time, chemistry, logistics, and communication.

This one is expecting a ppm of 2 k. A ppm, not an allowance. LOL.

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Little further south but a few SBs tried to do what I call "dating". This ain't dating if you get payments but can give her the illusion if it make her feel like she's not an escort.

My buddy's top girl started to catch feelings and wanted to not charge, exchange full names, and go out. Had passion with her but never left the hotel. Had to decline because real dating is too much upkeep and had to keep the expectation what that was is physical only with passion of lovers.

Not here to hand out free meals or pay while making sure she is satisfied but willing to paint date or girlfriend illusion for feelings. She's paid to make the man's needs first, not paid for her to acknowledge you or make you jump through dating or waiting hoops.

Money and gifts off the table and we can date as equals but most want the money to flow and have multiple daddies they don't want to give up. Hooked on easy money but girl not charging and just going to SB site to find a good guy are dangerous/broken. Pay, play house, next.

The problem is girls minds are not designed for physical long term long term and some fools are actually using the site to exclusive date or find husbands. They want more and can risk getting upset if they don't get it. Had to cut it off before risk but was fun and hot! Just gotta be gentle to show them this ain't tender if paid.

If you are single go for it but you can't save a 304. Enjoy them, connect, treat them right, but don't fall in love long term. Too many risks and a good quality wife ain't a 2nd hand SB/escort. No hate and be nice, my buddy even had stronger bonds with SBs than girls actually dated but they are still arrangements not relationships. There is a reason these amazing girls are single or aren't already made wives.

[QUOTE=GuyInTheCorner;6275145]I've had a handful of experiences where real feelings developed. It can go poorly unless you have a solid head on your shoulders and communicate effectively.

First experience. Relatively early on in my sugaring days, met someone, we connected instantly, and she agreed we would not really have the sugar part. The lack of boundaries scared me a little and I was definitely more into her than I should have been. She moved away so it resolved itself. (Fun fact, her profile pic for a while was her holding a Plan B I bought her. Looking back, we should have had sugar from the get-go and had I been more in touch with my non-monogamous side I probably could have navigated that, because neither of us intended to be exclusive.

Second experience. About a year later, had an incredible ongoing arrangement with a lovely young woman. Sexual chemistry firing on all cylinders plus logistical convenience that led to regular meetings as much as 2-3 times a week. We genuinely connected on multiple levels and I found myself falling for her a bit. It seemed like she was doing the same. She moved in with her folks and that brought it to an end. Looking back, I think had I been able to communicate more directly and effectively, I could have resolved my concerns and kept the dynamic where it belonged. (Fun fact, she is back out on her own again and I still see her from time to time. It's fun but the magic of the original visits is gone.).

Third experience. Last year, hit it off with someone who was definitely falling for me. She wasn't consistently obsessive, and there was a d / s component to the dynamic so it was somewhat wrapped up in that, but it was clear she was over a line I did not want her to cross over. In her defense, the time together was pretty electric, but I most definitely did not not feel the same way. I cut it off, which was drama laden but that helped convince me it was for the best.

Fourth experience. Around the same time, also hit it off with another SB. She's very much my speed on multiple levels, and our chemistry is electric. She was somewhat experienced in poly life and also incredibly clear and communicative. Through our conversations and time together I broke through my own barriers on monogamy and got comfortable with the fact that a part of me really cared for her, and that she cared for me, and that did not undermine or take away from my feelings in my primary relationship. Again, communication has been essential in all of this. We've been together for over a year and it is by far the best arrangement I've had. One of the best relationships I've had. It is healthy and positive and supportive in all ways.

Moral of this story is that you absolutely can enjoy a mature and healthy relationship within a sugar context, but it takes time, chemistry, logistics, and communication.[/QUOTE]Great post. Congratulations on Fourth experience and your great sugar relationship.

I have 2 experiences.

Young, smart and sexy SB but not much you can do with an anthropology degree. Trying to find herself and we connected and had a 2 year arrangement. She offered me essentially unlimited access in exchange for paying her half of the rent. The math absolutely worked in my favor. Unfortunately, with increased frequency, the chemistry decreased and the novelty wore off. As a married man, didn't need any additional relationship expectations or obligations. Ended the relationship and she moved out of the country.

Fast forward to my Covid SB. When everything was shut down we spent an incredible amount of time together. She had her own place, gave me a key and we really grew close. She was my #1 SB, but she wanted me to become her boyfriend'ish. After about 18 months, she suggested that we stop the PPM and that I just help her out occasionally with funds. That lasted about 2 months. Then the expectations for my time increased. When I couldn't make a dinner with her best friend from out of town, she absolutely lost it. Then cried when we met to talk about it. That was the last time that I saw her. Had to cut it off.

[QUOTE=Dimples572;6274702]LOL no. Just one or the other. I try to stay away from the ones seeking an allowance, at least initially upfront I try to sell them on a ppm arrangement and then if things are going well for a month or two we can discuss an allowance.[/QUOTE]Allowances create expectations. SD: I'm paying you $X, so I want to see you why times, especially next weekend. SB: SD is paying me $X, I don't feel like seeing him this week, but he's requesting and I don't want to upset him. Whereas PPM means I want to see you and you want to see me, so let's do it. I get the SB's that want an allowance. I would too. PPM are more transactional and some SB's equate that with sex work.

I will not entertain any conversations of an allowance. PPM or next!

So I'm just guessing this might be a violation of TOS on seeking. But may also explain why some of this shit lately seems a bit odd in the chats. Apparently somebody is trying to monetize a SD screening service.

[QUOTE=AnonDemon69;6273418]New to this. Signed up to SA. Just wondering if you guys just plain ask if intimacy is included in the PPM or if you sorta just bring it up during the actual meeting. I assume these women are in this site knowing the drill, but some profiles and some of your reports are throwing me off.[/QUOTE]Welcome to the Sugar Bowl. It is phenomenal. This is what has worked for me over the past 8 years. Others likely have different advice based on what worked for them. Full disclosure, 55, married, great shape, 5'8", balding, impeccable dresser, extrovert, smart and have "Game".

-Make contact on Seeking and get them off that platform and to text. You can say things on text that will get you banned on Seeking.

-Never send money in advance to any SB that you are not in an arrangement with. Never.

-Never pay for a M&G (meet and greet). If they insist for money to meet, politely decline and move on.

-Meet in public and set up the expectation for arrangement dates=sex=payment. Occasionally the first M&G will become the first BCD's meeting, so always be prepared, but don't expect or push for it.

-You have the $$, therefore negotiate from a position of strength. This is my formula and if the SB doesn't fit, the next one will. I do PPM $400-500. I only play in Arlington / Tysons (occasionally Alexandria) and have had SB's drive to me from MoCo, PG, Lorton, Manassas, and Ashburn. My sweet spot is late afternoon and weekends. Connected with a beautiful young Columbian with a banging body, but she worked 9-5 pm and spent weekends with her family. Didn't work for me.

-No matter how hot the SB is, You will be happiest sticking to a formula that works for you.

Good Luck.

That is spot on accurate. That's how I operated also.

Warning. Don't cross the emotional boundary, especially if married. It's a deep dark hole.

[QUOTE=RudyWellz;6275893]Welcome to the Sugar Bowl. It is phenomenal. This is what has worked for me over the past 8 years. Others likely have different advice based on what worked for them. Full disclosure, 55, married, great shape, 5'8", balding, impeccable dresser, extrovert, smart and have "Game".

-Make contact on Seeking and get them off that platform and to text. You can say things on text that will get you banned on Seeking.

-Never send money in advance to any SB that you are not in an arrangement with. Never.

-Never pay for a M&G (meet and greet). If they insist for money to meet, politely decline and move on.

-Meet in public and set up the expectation for arrangement dates=sex=payment. Occasionally the first M&G will become the first BCD's meeting, so always be prepared, but don't expect or push for it.

-You have the $$, therefore negotiate from a position of strength. This is my formula and if the SB doesn't fit, the next one will. I do PPM $400-500. I only play in Arlington / Tysons (occasionally Alexandria) and have had SB's drive to me from MoCo, PG, Lorton, Manassas, and Ashburn. My sweet spot is late afternoon and weekends. Connected with a beautiful young Columbian with a banging body, but she worked 9-5 pm and spent weekends with her family. Didn't work for me.

-No matter how hot the SB is, You will be happiest sticking to a formula that works for you.

Good Luck.[/QUOTE]