"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

The post below was made on Jan 11th, predicting that you would be parting her flesh within 3 wks or so. So now we are about 3 wks from those comments below and you are making an date to meet, (or meat). Even though you backed away and certainly intended to without meeting her. But, I'm still not convinced that there will be NO parting of the flesh with this young lady before it is over with. Not a judgmental comment here, but I am not surprised that you set the meeting with her at this time, and it will be interesting to see if it is truly "over with" at this juncture. I'm guessing little Scotty is going to comment on this subject from time to time, and at some point Big Scotty is going to listen to varying degrees. I'm still not convinced that the parting of the flesh is off the table (or bed). Wish you luck on the turnout, however it ends.

[QUOTE=Varoom; 1357160]My original thought then when first reading about your plans to pursue and see if you couldn't entice her to send photos was, Oh boy. Scotty's will power will be under assault soon, and doubtful that once you get some encouragement from a half-begging naked Latino gal, that little Scotty is going to be able to refrain.

So I suppose I am saying that you will be parting her flesh within say, the next 3 weeks, or so. And then what? This will be another fine fix little Scotty has gotten ole Dad into.

Still time to block the email address or her acct on SD4M, before you end up taking the plunge. Think, use the BIG head sir. But, it sure would be fun to dive into, no doubt.

All the best to you on your decision, Vroom.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=F Scott; 1375567]I contacted her and arranged a "meeting" in the city on the steps of the Art Institute. I told her that we could take a look around inside if she wanted, or go to a nearby Starbucks and talk. The weather here has been unseasonably warm, so I did not feel bad about asking her to stand outside to wait for me. The plan was to drive by until I saw that she was there, then take off and text later saying something had come up. My thinking here was to see if she still looked as hot in person as she did years ago, and maybe get a little thrill out of it in the bargain.

All went off as planned, and I got a visual confirmation that the hotness quotient is still as high as ever, contacted her later with my "excuse", and that was that. [B]except[/B]: I now feel really guilty that I jerked her chain and made her waste time waiting for me when I knew full well that I wasn't going to show up just to add to my personal fantasy script.

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[QUOTE=F Scott; 1376019]Castle,

I have a new car since the time she worked for me, so I wasn't worried about that. Pushing my luck is probably more the speed of things. I may put a gift card in an envelope with her name written on it and put it under the door where she works some evening after they're closed. I will write with my left hand, of course, so she can't recognize my writing, then send her a final email saying goodbye.

It's all fun and games until someone gets an eye poked out, and that could be me.

Go Patriots!

Scott[/QUOTE]Have you considered the "Criss-Cross" maneuver? Set up your drive by but select a wingman to follow you in his car. He doesn't have to know your real identity either. You signal him when you spot the girl. He then stops, jumps out, says he's you, takes her to the fucking chamber and fucks her for you. Require him to report back. Maybe take some more pictures. Then he owes you one and the girl gets her much needed semen deposit. You've done good deeds all around.

Scotty, As one horndog to the next.just fuck her for God's sake! I am sorry to hear your HCB has drifted away.I know how traumatic it is. These youngsters are pixie-like and here today gone tomorrow. Have you given her the ultimatum talk yet? It is good for closure if nothing else.

Several divorced older friends (my age) have opined on the different age groups that they have dated while looking for THE ONE. I will paraphrase best I can. And these categories apply mostly to college and professionally trained girls.not desperadas.

AGE : 18-26 interested in partying, staying out late, sleeping half the day away, hanging with their friends, getting drunk / high, multifucking for the sport of it.

26-30 settling down, still like going out, less wild, looking for a stable relationship, partying less intense.most desirable age range for an old dog *

31-36 calmer and settling down, hearing the tick tock of the biologic clock, often divorced already, young kids in the picture, an ex in the picture, a little desperate, ready to jump for a likely candidate

37 to 45 Good sport, all divorced, older kids in the picture, body still pretty well preserved, schedule difficult because of the kids and a difficult ex (all divorced men are bastards and all women are bitches)

46 to 55 All divorced, usually twice, kids grown and not as much issue, in touch with her freedom, but body is failing them

56 plus fugeddaboutit!

[QUOTE=F Scott; 1376019]It's all fun and games until someone gets an eye poked out, and that could be me.

Scott[/QUOTE]My point precisely. Good to hear that her I'd'ing the car wasn't an issue, but there are only so many chambers is life's gun. Maybe with her, it's time to stop worrying whether the next one is the loaded one.

Good luck and good hunting.

PS: has anyone run into problems staying logged in? Went to post this and the site told me I wasn't logged in, even though I'd gotten the usual 'welcome' message after entering my username / password. Not the first time either, so I was wondering if anyone else has been getting hit by this gremlin, or if it's just a problem with my account.

In my area these seem to be few and far between, but I did begin communications with one recently. She insisted in talking about the sugar immediately, which in my experience is never a good sign. She wouldn't even meet until she made the determination that "it would be worth her time" so I knew the odds were long on this one and I was correct. Once I told her my usual sugar amount, she told me it was good we didn't meet and waste both our times.

On the other hand, I do have a meet and greet set up with a HYB who insisted on meeting first. Obviously I'm going into it hopeful and with an open mind so wish me luck!

I've gotten a few other nibbles lately and will post of my successes and (failures).

Gentlemen,

I truly appreciate all your helpful thoughts, observations and warnings. They have caused me to do a lot of thinking, and I have come to the conclusion that I [I]am[/I] in fact, becoming addicted to dangerous behavior.

Recent events, i.e. the baby walking in on me having dinner with the family, this obsession I have with my former employee, and hitting on the Trader Joe's artist when in all likelihood she lives in my town, show a growing pattern that I feel I just can't ignore. It's almost like I'm trying to get caught, and that would not be good.

Compound this with the reality that my ATF is gone, and I feel I need to take a big step back and recalibrate what I consider to be "normal". Thus I have cancelled my SA profile, and will turn off my burner phone and hide it until I regain a healthy desire to avoid putting myself in risky situations. If I can't resist playing with fire right now, at least I can get rid of all the matches, right?

I will keep an eye on this thread, and still welcome any pm's from my brothers, but I probably will not have much to add, unless an earlier baby story becomes relevant. Thank you all for your help on this. I'm a little sad, but I know I did the right thing.

More than ever, keep up the good work, and don't forget to write!

Scott

[QUOTE=F Scott; 1376613]Gentlemen,

I truly appreciate all your helpful thoughts, observations and warnings. They have caused me to do a lot of thinking, and I have come to the conclusion that I [I]am[/I] In fact, becoming addicted to dangerous behavior.

Recent events, I. E. The baby walking in on me having dinner with the family, this obsession I have with my former employee, and hitting on the Trader Joe's artist when in all likelihood she lives in my town, show a growing pattern that I feel I just can't ignore. It's almost like I'm trying to get caught, and that would not be good.

Compound this with the reality that my ATF is gone, and I feel I need to take a big step back and recalibrate what I consider to be "normal". Thus I have cancelled my SA profile, and will turn off my burner phone and hide it until I regain a healthy desire to avoid putting myself in risky situations. If I can't resist playing with fire right now, at least I can get rid of all the matches, right?

I will keep an eye on this thread, and still welcome any pm's from my brothers, but I probably will not have much to add, unless an earlier baby story becomes relevant. Thank you all for your help on this. I'm a little sad, but I know I did the right thing.

More than ever, keep up the good work, and don't forget to write!

Scott[/QUOTE]I think this is an excellent idea and it proves that, even though you are physically attracted to other women, you are not going to play Russian Roulette with your families life! I must admit that I was getting concerned about how close things were getting to a potentially catastrophic event/confrontation. There will always be more opportunities once you regain your composure and control over your emotions and desires. I support you 100% and I have no doubt this is the right course for you!

LL

[QUOTE=LuckyLou; 1376623]There will always be more opportunities once you regain your composure and control over your emotions and desires.

LL[/QUOTE]Thanks Lucky

[QUOTE=F Scott;1376629]Thanks Lucky[/QUOTE]Scott, Your decision is understandable and maybe even wise.

Whatever you do next, you have already added immeasurably to the value of this thread. I hope you keep up the contributions.

For me, sb mongering is my way of rebelling against the unnatural restrictions of Sex Prison. I wish it weren't necessary to keep the activity secret. Men and women have different attitudes towards sex and we ought to be advanced enough to acknowledge it and work out live and let live rules for relationships between the sexes. As it now stands, the penalties for law abiding, established men of getting caught mongering are enormous and, in my view, unfair and unrealistic.

Maybe just chill your jets for a while.

Anyway, good luck.

F Scott:

It appears that you are taking a healthy step for you, at this time.

Best to be proactive when things go beyond the boundaries, and it seems that you are in that process.

Hopefully you can return in moderation. You and your reports will be missed in your absense.

All the best to you in the mean time brother.

Vroom

Good luck Scott! Somehow I think you will be back when the sting of your loss abates and the boredom of sex with the Missus becomes too much to bear. Nobody would ever say that what we are doing is the right thing.even us. It does seem to be A thing to do which is less painful perhaps than chucking the family for a whole new life and uncharted waters. Some of us have already done that once or twice and while short term things are much more exciting, long term a new baby becomes an old baby. Where does it stop?

[QUOTE=F Scott; 1376613]Gentlemen,

I truly appreciate all your helpful thoughts, observations and warnings. They have caused me to do a lot of thinking, and I have come to the conclusion that I [I]am[/I] In fact, becoming addicted to dangerous behavior.

Recent events, I. E. The baby walking in on me having dinner with the family, this obsession I have with my former employee, and hitting on the Trader Joe's artist when in all likelihood she lives in my town, show a growing pattern that I feel I just can't ignore. It's almost like I'm trying to get caught, and that would not be good.

Compound this with the reality that my ATF is gone, and I feel I need to take a big step back and recalibrate what I consider to be "normal". Thus I have cancelled my SA profile, and will turn off my burner phone and hide it until I regain a healthy desire to avoid putting myself in risky situations. If I can't resist playing with fire right now, at least I can get rid of all the matches, right?

I will keep an eye on this thread, and still welcome any pm's from my brothers, but I probably will not have much to add, unless an earlier baby story becomes relevant. Thank you all for your help on this. I'm a little sad, but I know I did the right thing.

More than ever, keep up the good work, and don't forget to write!

Scott[/QUOTE]As others have said, you're input and insights will be greatly missed. I hope you can find that 'happy median' between the risk and reward of all this and come back with new adventures sometime soon. For now, maybe it is time to take a pause and borrow Yoda's advice: "Meditate on this I must.".

Go F.

Like Luckylou says this is a personnal decision. So far all the SB I have seen are nice but we are just playing. Understand completely and more power to you!

[QUOTE=F Scott; 1370961]At the end of the evening, as we were getting ready for bed, my SO asked if I had noticed the young woman and her much-older date that were sitting at a table behind me. I made some non-committal response, and she went on to tell me that they were all over each other all evening long, and how disgusting it was."He was old enough to be her father" was one of the phrases used, if memory serves. As I sympathized with her, I secretly indulged in the memory of me fucking that baby with her legs over my shoulders and her hands pulling my hips into her, hard. It was a heady brew, my brothers, but only because there was no painful tab to be paid at the end of the evening.

Scott[/QUOTE]Vow, I always thought that can happen sometimes. And now it has happened. I can feel how surreal it must have felt. But in the end its also sarcastic to hear SO saying that and only men know in their heads whats real out there. LOL.

All of us have to be careful and on guard all the time!

Gentlemen,

Thank you all for your kind words and best wishes. I truly feel a comradeship with you, and will continue to follow your exploits eagerly. As I said earlier, it became clear to me that I was addicted to dangerous behavior, and that the most likely end to that particular path was not a good one. When I first started this pursuit, I had things much more in control, and I need to get my head back to that place and then start again. As we all have observed, there are plenty of little fish out there.

Keep up the good work,

Scott

I agree with Scott's decision to step back. I thought he was pushing the envelope pretty hard and remained quiet in spite of 100% encouragement. Scott knows my views well enough to know I do not support emotional attachment, and would not have supported a decision to take a woman he knows as a SB because such a woman is able to find him and his associates. There was no point for me to shoot my mouth off then.

There is now. This is about the evening Scott was dining with his wife at a restaurant. A former SB and her elderly date happened to enter and took a table behind Scott. Scott described for us his intense internal reactions to the former SB being there [I]none of which did the wife pick up on due to Scott's suppression of all appearances[/I] (my characterization of his words).

The reason I see a point now is time has passed since that evening. Scott can determine for himself if he has seen signs my thoughts ring true.

Here goes: I don't buy any of it. We all know mothers love their children more. That must have a meaning vis-à-vis the husband. Mothers give unconditional love; for wives it is conditional. That's why mothers are secure in their own skin and wives are not. That's why wives never really trust their man, not really, and have and rely on that sixth sense as confirmation.

I do not buy that Scott's wife did not sense the change in him when the baby walked in. I bet that sense kicked in and remains in her stomach today. I bet Scott will see signs of it going forward. I bet Scott is being observed closer now than before. Time will tell. Of course I could be wrong.

First time caller. I've read all of this thread and have been dabbling in the arts a bit. I've texted with a few babies and have a couple on deck should I decide to take the plunge. I received a note today from a particular girl (and I use girl on purpose). She said she didn't think that I could afford her. I don't know why but this offended me. I'm not super rich but I hate being judged. Especially but someone that doesn't even know me! I replied that I'm not looking for an escort and left it that. Granted she was a hot Russian teenager that I probably could not afford. But it's still the principle. Anybody have anything like this happen?

Time to let you all know that I am alive and well. And sorry to hear that some of the best posters on this thread have taken to a temporary retirement.

I have joined a SD site and am working with 2 SBs from that site to set up the first meeting. Infortunately, both are a good 2 hr drive for me and really don't have the time for that. No good candidates on the site closer to home yet, but I plan to keep trying. I have also been looking for a SB relationship through CL contacts. That has produced a couple of candidates, one of which I was able to penetrate this week. She is a 20 something college ginthat is kind of interesting, but as I have encountered before, is on the heavy side. Too big to keep me coming back for more. I seem to be seeing a trend here. Most of my contacts have been at least 20-30 pounds overweight, much too heavy for my preference.

Still has been an interesting quest, but haven't found the right connection just yet. The warden leaves town next week and I plan on driving the distance to try out my 2 distant SB potentials while she is gone. I'll keep you all posted, but these 2 SBs are also in the plus-size category. I must be a BBW magnet or something. Worth checking out anyway.

Keep the good info coming.

Alias

[QUOTE=Boogie Man;1377945]First time caller. I've read all of this thread and have been dabbling in the arts a bit. I've texted with a few babies and have a couple on deck should I decide to take the plunge. I received a note today from a particular girl (and I use girl on purpose). She said she didn't think that I could afford her. I don't know why but this offended me. I'm not super rich but I hate being judged. Especially but someone that doesn't even know me! I replied that I'm not looking for an escort and left it that. Granted she was a hot Russian teenager that I probably could not afford. But it's still the principle. Anybody have anything like this happen?[/QUOTE]Don't take it personally. It's a tactic. She's challenging you to make a maximum offer. Those are the ones to stay away from, in my opinion. Read through this thread and study up on GPS (has nothing to do with navigation).

[QUOTE=Boogie Man;1377945]First time caller. I've read all of this thread and have been dabbling in the arts a bit. I've texted with a few babies and have a couple on deck should I decide to take the plunge. I received a note today from a particular girl (and I use girl on purpose). She said she didn't think that I could afford her. I don't know why but this offended me. I'm not super rich but I hate being judged. Especially but someone that doesn't even know me! I replied that I'm not looking for an escort and left it that. Granted she was a hot Russian teenager that I probably could not afford. But it's still the principle. Anybody have anything like this happen?[/QUOTE]Sounds like this baby is very skilled at pushing buttons, and she indeed pushed yours from the sound of your reaction. This is EXACTLY what she was trying to do, make an impact and have you prove to her that you can indeed afford her. Thus if you do, she makes the sale / connection, at an inflated number. There are lots of babies out there and one should never take any comments in an emotional manner and response, or else you will lose. Forget her Russian azz and go find someone that will appreciate BM more in the long run.

[QUOTE=Boogie Man;1377945]First time caller. I've read all of this thread and have been dabbling in the arts a bit. I've texted with a few babies and have a couple on deck should I decide to take the plunge. I received a note today from a particular girl (and I use girl on purpose). She said she didn't think that I could afford her. I don't know why but this offended me. I'm not super rich but I hate being judged. Especially but someone that doesn't even know me! I replied that I'm not looking for an escort and left it that. Granted she was a hot Russian teenager that I probably could not afford. But it's still the principle. Anybody have anything like this happen?[/QUOTE]I have to agree with Spitfire. Some of these gals are on there just to put guys down or luck up on that one in a million daddy that wants to shuck out big bucks just for her to be his arm candy. Those that list their arrangement "wants" in the 5K-10K per month are dreaming and are best passed on by!

What a crock of shit! These faux SBs who demand unmentionable amounts of lucre for a parting of the labia are dreaming. Do not go there with them. The male ego is such that we are tempted to respond "Yes I can ", but in fact we should say " stick it up your azz!" I talked to a Nando 1 who demanded a $ 1500 fee so that she could get a new ride to come see us lucky SDs. AS Spit said review the many excellent posts here and learn that you should never see the overly demanding posturing escorts posing as SBs who try to recoup theit weekly take from one John.

On the other hand, I go on the SA blog and am very interested in reading the posts there. There are some young girls getting 5 figure monthly allowances, but these are rich guys who like them and can offer an exorbitant amount to impress these impressionable girls. The girls don't demand it, the guys offer it. You will find out that if you get a perfect SB for you, you will give her everything you can afford. And more. If you have some SBs who are OK but don't ring your bell than you can be more judicious in doling out your available funds.

Scott, and several of the other guys including Me have SBs we are overly emotional about. This makes NSA more difficult and can create an entanglement that is difficult to escape. Good luck!

Welcome to the blog Boogie! My humble advice is to stay away from the desperately poor, substance abusing girls. Avoid the "White Knight " syndrome in saving these girls from themselves. They are not fixable. I've been with many of them. As one of the gents said earlier, the Nando 1s are easier to nail at first. Their stories are compelling and sad. You will find yourself wanting to help them. Once you are hooked they will call you needing money for rent, child care, groceries with sad tales that they are about to be evicted and therefore homeless, they are losing the car, license, custody.and they actually are.

Say to yourself." I can not save them from themselves " 1000 times and you might have it. The unique thread with all of them is they do not work at anything except trying to get money by not working for it. Many are single mothers with no babydaddy in the picture, and therefore no child support. If a SB applicant says 1) I don't have a job. 2) I don't have a car (license) .3) I can't work because I can't afford child care. 4) I only work part time. 5) I just do a little pot 6) I need money because I am going to (fill in the tragedy here).hang up, block their profile, do whatever it takes to erase them from your memory.

I've had the best experiences with SBs who are truly full-time college students that also have a job. These are the ones that seem to have their act together and a goal for their future. They want a SD, not so they can quit their job or school, but to be able to do more than just make ends meet. They want the extras and some fun. I'm not sure where that falls in the Nando classifications though!

[QUOTE=AliasSM; 1378128]Time to let you all know that I am alive and well. And sorry to hear that some of the best posters on this thread have taken to a temporary retirement.

I have joined a SD site and am working with 2 SBs from that site to set up the first meeting. Infortunately, both are a good 2 hr drive for me and really don't have the time for that. No good candidates on the site closer to home yet, but I plan to keep trying. I have also been looking for a SB relationship through CL contacts. That has produced a couple of candidates, one of which I was able to penetrate this week. She is a 20 something college ginthat is kind of interesting, but as I have encountered before, is on the heavy side. Too big to keep me coming back for more. I seem to be seeing a trend here. Most of my contacts have been at least 20-30 pounds overweight, much too heavy for my preference.

Still has been an interesting quest, but haven't found the right connection just yet. The warden leaves town next week and I plan on driving the distance to try out my 2 distant SB potentials while she is gone. I'll keep you all posted, but these 2 SBs are also in the plus-size category. I must be a BBW magnet or something. Worth checking out anyway.

Keep the good info coming.

Alias[/QUOTE]I've done the several hour drive thing before and let me tell you, it gets old fast. I live in an area of the state that isn't nearly as heavily populated as Nova, Richmond or Tidewater and the local pickings are slim. Still, there are a couple of large universities nearby and I've had some success there, including my very first SB who became the gold standard for me.

[QUOTE=Hernando; 1378217]Welcome to the blog Boogie! My humble advice is to stay away from the desperately poor, substance abusing girls. Avoid the "White Knight " syndrome in saving these girls from themselves. They are not fixable. I've been with many of them. As one of the gents said earlier, the Nando 1s are easier to nail at first. Their stories are compelling and sad. You will find yourself wanting to help them. Once you are hooked they will call you needing money for rent, child care, groceries with sad tales that they are about to be evicted and therefore homeless, they are losing the car, license, custody. And they actually are.

Say to yourself." I can not save them from themselves " 1000 times and you might have it. The unique thread with all of them is they do not work at anything except trying to get money by not working for it. Many are single mothers with no babydaddy in the picture, and therefore no child support. If a SB applicant says 1) I don't have a job. 2) I don't have a car (license).3) I can't work because I can't afford child care. 4) I only work part time. 5) I just do a little pot 6) I need money because I am going to (fill in the tragedy here). Hang up, block their profile, do whatever it takes to erase them from your memory.[/QUOTE]The SB's described above are also the ones that, when you inevitably say "No", will turn on you in a heartbeat and cause you more grief than you ever want. Hernando is 100 percent spot on. Avoid, Avoid, Avoid!

I went back to my atf sb4 for the first time in nearly nine months. She's as hot as ever, her ass just as perfect as before. But it felt like there was no challenge. The thrill was gone. After 10 minutes or so I was bored with her, and it was a lot of work to release. I have the opportunity to retrofuck sb9 this weekend, but I'm worried it will be the same.

[QUOTE=Literal2;1378300]I went back to my atf sb4 for the first time in nearly nine months. She's as hot as ever, her ass just as perfect as before. But it felt like there was no challenge. The thrill was gone. After 10 minutes or so I was bored with her, and it was a lot of work to release. I have the opportunity to retrofuck sb9 this weekend, but I'm worried it will be the same.[/QUOTE]Lit,

I vote in favor that you should retrofk sb9 this weekend. Of course you didn't ask for a show of hands, but I'm offering this anyhow.

What I'd suggest is intoducing something new into the mix, maybe some toyz or something that will get little Lit excited and might be sort of off the wall for sb9 too.

Let your imagination rip here Lit, and give her a thrashin like she wasn't expecting from an ole golden boy.

Then of course, report back and fill the club in on all the details. Suggest a trip to the adult store for a couple of new devices.

Vroom

[QUOTE=Varoom;1378314]What I'd suggest is intoducing something new into the mix, maybe some toyz or something that will get little Lit excited and might be sort of off the wall for sb9 too.[/QUOTE]I heartily concur. One of my babies was heavily into toys, which is something I had never experienced before, and it was a huge turn on for us both. Plus it had the added benefit of keeping her fully charged while little Scotty caught his breath for the next round.

Tally another vote for revisiting SB9! I still think fondly of my recent experience getting back together with my naughty British baby. Hot with two "t's".

Scott

Another week on the road and the fun keeps coming.

Started with SB1, the MILF. Cut out of work early and spent the afternoon and evening in adult sports. Excellent time and very easy to be around. Is going through a divorce and wants NSA at all. Told me some exploits (pursuing younger men as a Cougar but they won't pay $) and men becoming possessive. Switched of SD to SA because she says SD is all "I want a relationship", SA is let's do it and pay. She will stay in the rotation as lot's of fun.

New SB 2 (30 YO. Looks a little chunky in pic) keeps asking me to come over and oblige. Walk in the door and she attacks me. She's a fat chick (her definition is average) and I must be an addict as I tear her up for 3 hours straight. Should I leave pay? Nominal amount? I punt and 5 minutes later get text "You didn't pay me". Begin dialog where she expects exorbinant amount and I am wondering can she find me? Fatal attraction shit. Calm down and tell her she did not mention, did not know what to do, and figure it out in the morning. She wants it deposited in her bank account and sends the number. Finally decide the right thing is as earlier poster said, they all get the same amount and give her the nominal amount into her bank. Tell her that's all I got. She replies all ok, let's discuss next time I see you. Which of course will be never. Live and learn. Wow!

Out of play for 2 weeks. Need to recover!

" I've had the best experiences with SBs who are truly full-time college students that also have a job. These are the ones that seem to have their act together and a goal for their future. They want a SD, not so they can quit their job or school, but to be able to do more than just make ends meet. They want the extras and some fun. I'm not sure where that falls in the Nando classifications though!"

AMEN Brother! That is what I'm into now and it's AMAZING! My HYCB is so smart, energetic, engaged in her own life, hard working, upwardly mobile, and has NEVER asked me for a single thing. I want to give her everything I can.

She is a Nando 111 (1 = desperada. 11 = escort. 111 = HCB / SB. 1111 = MILF) more or less

Last week I found I could go back to an SB I'd ignored for eight months and she still opened up her pussy for me (and the expectation of sugar). This week I've received several emails from her requesting more semen and clearly hoping for more sugar. But as I said, I was bored with the experience so I'm avoiding her.

SB9, who I haven't seen in more than 6 months, has been persistent also. After one retrofuck last week I was dubious that another retrofuck this week would be any better. I sought to dodge the date with SB9. She has redoubled her efforts and is pleading with me to see her. She desires multiple climaxes from me, she says. She offers to borrow an apartment from her sister for us to use. I still haven't decided.

These babies are each about 28. SB4 is definitely HYB, SB is pudgier but is voluptuous rather than fat. I'm nearly 40 years older but they are chasing me! Uh, I mean my wallet. I just wish I had known how easy it is to get laid when I was younger.

If I see SB9 this weekend I know I'll be aroused during foreplay and eager to open up her vagina one more time. But after a few minutes of that, she has to be good or I'll lose interest. Then it's like work.

Thanks for the advice about toys. Where do you guys hide them? We were talking earlier about the problem of hiding a mongering cell phone and the risk of discovery. It would be a lot harder to explain a vibrator to the warden.

I skipped the session with SB9 but she and I are in a sex-talk email exchange. I'm trying to get her to send me some pix of her pussy. I'll post them if I get them.

My SB4 is getting nasty: why didn't you come fuck me again? I need sugar now! Etc. This is normal for the SB game. Pathetic.

Retrofucking is not multifucking. Multifucking is fucking more than one sugarbaby at the same time. Retrofucking is going back to a sugarbaby you have ignored for while and fucking her again.

[QUOTE=Literal2;1379719]Thanks for the advice about toys. Where do you guys hide them? We were talking earlier about the problem of hiding a mongering cell phone and the risk of discovery. It would be a lot harder to explain a vibrator to the warden.[/QUOTE]In a tool bag, among other tools; wrapped in a disguise then stored in a box for another purpose. Of course would only do so if detection is not likely. Or, if concerned about discovery, buy, use and dispose. 20-30 bucks added to the adventure isn't a lot compared to what the end result could be. You can also opt for even less expensive devices; ie non-motorized, if the budget is in consideration.

[QUOTE=AliasSM; 1378128]Time to let you all know that I am alive and well. And sorry to hear that some of the best posters on this thread have taken to a temporary retirement.

I have joined a SD site and am working with 2 SBs from that site to set up the first meeting. Infortunately, both are a good 2 hr drive for me and really don't have the time for that. No good candidates on the site closer to home yet, but I plan to keep trying. I have also been looking for a SB relationship through CL contacts. That has produced a couple of candidates, one of which I was able to penetrate this week. She is a 20 something college ginthat is kind of interesting, but as I have encountered before, is on the heavy side. Too big to keep me coming back for more. I seem to be seeing a trend here. Most of my contacts have been at least 20-30 pounds overweight, much too heavy for my preference.

Still has been an interesting quest, but haven't found the right connection just yet. The warden leaves town next week and I plan on driving the distance to try out my 2 distant SB potentials while she is gone. I'll keep you all posted, but these 2 SBs are also in the plus-size category. I must be a BBW magnet or something. Worth checking out anyway.

Keep the good info coming.

Alias[/QUOTE]I find heavy babies come in two flavors. One has a sloppy body all over, folds of skin and fat hanging down her abdomen, loose thighs, loose arms, etcetera. This kind is not for me. I will walk out.

The other kind can have a big ass or even a big belly but her skin is taut all over. She will have big boobs. I like the second kind especially if she thinks you are doing her a favor by fucking her. She can be very responsive and her body can be enjoyable. Just don't focus too much on her profile.

Met my first woman through SeekingArrnagement last night, and it was something of a cluster fuck. We'd emailed and set up a time when I'd call her, and (I thought) set that she could get to the meeting spot on her own without me having to pick her up. So I got a room and called her at the number she'd given me. Went to her voice mail, but she called back within a couple of minutes. She acts like she doesn't remember me, or our emails, but tells me she'll get back to me. This is in the form of a series of text messages where she asks about everything I'd thougth we'd agreed to. Then she tells me she's not to her place, and needs a ride to the motel once she can get there and get ready. Delays piles onto delay and in the end I finally call her to tell her that if she doesn't want to meet me, I'm okay with that, I just wanted to know what was going on. Finally, almost 2 hours after I first called her, she finally calls to tell me she's ready to be picked up. Gives me directions to where she is and I go there. End up waiting another ten minutes or more waiting for her to come down. Then she calls me to ask which car is mine (several parked in front of the dorm) and asks me if I can give her friends a ride to their dorm. End up with three girls in my car, two slender ones in the back and the girl I was to see, up front with me. Drop the passengers off and head for the motel. Now things start to unravel: it's cold, so she's wearing bulky clothes. No problem, I understand the need, but the bulky clothes reveal a fairly bulky woman underneath. I give thought to giving her a small amount and taking her back to her dorm, but after two hours of anticipation, the wrong head's doing the thinking now. First positive: she was more than willing to kiss me, and seemed to like it. Said this was her "first time", which I guess means I'm the first man she met through SA. I open with some tittie play and then try fingering her to get her 'warmed up'. It seems to work, as she seems to respond, then says I was getting too rough, so enough of that. Second positive: when I asked her if she wanted me to get a condom, she said no and said she was clean, and she appears to be, so I get down to business. If she were a P4P woman, I'd describe her as a "starfish": all she was up for was laying back and taking it. Worked up a sweat, stopped after a while and the two of us dried off, then got back in bed. She was more than willing to lie with me and snuggle, but when I asked her to get on board and go for a ride, it didn't work. She tried getting on top and riding me, but she just did not get into the act. After a while, I tried getting in the saddle again, but by then the initial thrill was gone and I was ready to be done. Asked if she had to be anywhere and she said she did, so gave up and we both caught a shower (separately) and got dressed. Ended up giving her a ride to some place where I think there was a 'house party' going on and dropping her off. Should I have backed out? Probably. Should I have thought to see her someplace liketo have lunch or something similar? Again, probably. My first foray into the SA was a learning experience, and I think I learned several things. One thing I learned for sure: I am NOT going to meet this woman again!

Lit- Thanks for your advice and also for the great guidance you have provided in the past through this board.

I have run into more than my share of heavier young women it seems. Probably a result of where I have been fishing in the past. If sloppy overweight, I will still go ahead with the session and just end all contact after the first visit. This last SB was a college student in her early twenties and you could tell that she had really been hot as a teen. She had a Mid-Eastern heritage that can really produce some beautiful ladies. But she was at least 50 lbs over what you would call pleasantly plump. Still, banging a 22 year old has it's benefits. She claimed to have not had sex in years (believable at her weight) , and was hot, horny, responsive, and wet. She responded with about everything I could ask for except squirting when she climaxed. Still, not what I am looking for in a LT relationship.

Next week I plan to try the marathon of SDs. The warden leaves Sunday and I already have first meets firmly set up with SBs on Sunday and Monday, and potential dates not yet finalized with 3 other SBs the remainder of the week. My goal is to set up a meeting every evening, hoping to land at least 50% in the famous FC. I think that might be pushing it for me with my lack of honed fishing skills at this point, but I plan to try my hardest. I think several of these girls may be pros in disguise, so landing 50% may in fact be attainable, just not leading to any future LT relationships.

I will of course report back to this forum. I've come to respect all of guidance and the many hours of experience in this part of the hobby. My goal is to find maybe one or two regulars (Preferably HYBs in their 20s) to supplement my existing sex life with the warden. To all on this forum. Keep up the great posts and advice.

Alias.

[QUOTE=Literal2; 1380871]I find heavy babies come in two flavors. One has a sloppy body all over, folds of skin and fat hanging down her abdomen, loose thighs, loose arms, etcetera. This kind is not for me. I will walk out.

The other kind can have a big ass or even a big belly but her skin is taut all over. She will have big boobs. I like the second kind especially if she thinks you are doing her a favor by fucking her. She can be very responsive and her body can be enjoyable. Just don't focus too much on her profile.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Castlerae;1380908]so I get down to business.My first foray into the SA was a learning experience, and I think I learned several things.[/QUOTE]You also learned one of my positives. If I can't get anything out of it emotionally and or long term, at least get a short term screw out of it. It may not be the best, but in this lifestyle, getting some pudding is some reward for the effort.

BigTigg

[QUOTE=Castlerae;1380908]Should I have backed out? Probably. Should I have thought to see her someplace like to have lunch or something similar? Again, probably. My first foray into the SA was a learning experience, and I think I learned several things. One thing I learned for sure: I am NOT going to meet this woman again![/QUOTE]Castle,

Congratulations on landing your first little fish, though perhaps she was not as little as you might have liked! In any event, the ice is broken, and I confidently predict that you will find things easier, and more to your taste, from here on forward. No matter how much information is shared on this thread, a person needs to gain his own experiences in order to hone his technique. All the excellent posts serve to keep one from going in completely blind and raw, and possibly making a serious mistake, but that's all they can really do. There is no such thing as a perfect first time, I believe, but the knowledge shared here can exponentially shorten the learning period.

As for heavy girls, I met one in college and enjoyed fucking her for the exact reasons that have been alluded to by you and Alias: they tend to be horny, totally into whatever you suggest, and mine, at least, was extremely wet and oddly tight. Close your eyes and they all feel the same. It was with her that I had my first three-way, actually. She was a nursing student and she would bring her roommate over from time to time and we would all fuck for hours. They were into each other as well as me - a truly erotic experience that I have enjoyed only once since. This was pre-Aids, pre-stds that couldn't be easily taken care of, and I was young, thin, and good looking. Ah, the days.

Keep up the good work, my brothers. I am living vicariously through you, so I need you all to be especially active. Alias, I applaud your setting yourself an ambitious goal for your upcoming week of freedom. Remember to take your vitamins and do some sit-ups. We can't have you running out of steam!

Best,

Scott

[QUOTE=Varoom;1380840]In a tool bag, among other tools; wrapped in a disguise then stored in a box for another purpose.[/QUOTE]Vroom,

I thought I was the only one who used this ruse! I have a few things "stored" in my workroom in the basement in this manner. Fortunately, my SO is not in the lest bit handy, nor even inclined in that direction, but she has occasionally breached the Fortress of Solitude in search of an extension cord or tape measure, both of which I now keep in the junk drawer in the kitchen. I find that an old drill case is the perfect size for many an incriminating item, and my SO would never in a million years think of using a drill to do anything around the house.

Although, come to think of it, isn't this where you found your dad's or, in my case, uncle's, stash of Playboy magazines? Either in the workroom or the garage. I believe it's in the Guy Handbook on page 47.

Scott