Tips, Tricks, Arguing, and Bullshit

[QUOTE=LecherousMonk;3383771]Not sure this is the right sub-forum for this, but here goes:

What is the price of sex? If you were to pay for a sexual experience or service of some kind--hypothetically, of course, as it's illegal--what factors would contribute to your spending? Hotness of the girl (s)? Nature of the act? Do you have any preconceived price points build into your mental calculus, or do you just sorta wing it? What are the major sectors of the sex economy (SW, strip clubs, BP, CL, etc. , etc.), and what are the tiers? Trying to start an open-ended convo, and I hope someone will chime in with something, or at least tell me why it's a stupid question.[/QUOTE]Starting with a basic assumption that she is at least decent looking with a decent bod, what I value is a level of connection, after all, you are being intimate. I'm not saying it needs to be GFE because you will certainly pay up for that. However nice conversation, eye contact, and some sense that she is happy you are there, are strong factors for me. And I also value knowing what I'm getting for the stated contribution. I can't stand unexpected upselling and significantly shorting me on time. I like repeating with providers and if the session goes as I just described, I will likely repeat.

I need some help guys. I haven't seen my all time fav UTR in a while. As I try to schedule an incall with her, she says she moved and doesn't work out of her new place. I haven't done outcall for fear of being robbed. Part of me feel that she may be starting to slip a little and are setting people up. What do you think?

[QUOTE=Midgetbowler;3406415]I need some help guys. I haven't seen my all time fav UTR in a while. As I try to schedule an incall with her, she says she moved and doesn't work out of her new place. I haven't done outcall for fear of being robbed. Part of me feel that she may be starting to slip a little and are setting people up. What do you think?[/QUOTE]Slipping or not, I have always played on the safer side by renting a cheap motel. The extra $50. For the room is cheap insurance on your belongings and the unexpected visit to your home at 3 am by her pimp or her baby daddy lookin to gets him some. Too risky for me.

Good luck.

[QUOTE=Midgetbowler;3406415]I need some help guys. I haven't seen my all time fav UTR in a while. As I try to schedule an incall with her, she says she moved and doesn't work out of her new place. I haven't done outcall for fear of being robbed. Part of me feel that she may be starting to slip a little and are setting people up. What do you think?[/QUOTE]I have been doing outcall with girls for 4 years and I have only had one or two issues and that was me being new to the game or stupid. It isn't for everyone, but I have a nice security system that is very noticeable. One keypad is in my master bedroom so every girl that comes over can see it and many get to watch me set it before we get down to business. The same rules apply, have the exact amount on you, make sure nothing of value is around, especially in the bathroom, never pay any amount upfront, if she insists, set the money out in plain site but insist it stays there. The main thing is that this is your home and if things go south, the cops have to come to your house, so just remember that and the money is a small price to pay for keeping things quiet.

[QUOTE=LecherousMonk;3383771]Not sure this is the right sub-forum for this, but here goes:

What is the price of sex? If you were to pay for a sexual experience or service of some kind--hypothetically, of course, as it's illegal--what factors would contribute to your spending? Hotness of the girl (s)? Nature of the act? Do you have any preconceived price points build into your mental calculus, or do you just sorta wing it? What are the major sectors of the sex economy (SW, strip clubs, BP, CL, etc. , etc.), and what are the tiers? Trying to start an open-ended convo, and I hope someone will chime in with something, or at least tell me why it's a stupid question.[/QUOTE]That's a good question, and one I've been considering a lot lately. I've mostly done my hobbying outside of this country, I'm single and run my own business, but I still fear the potential legal repercussions of partaking in the hobby in this country so I tend to be a little cautious. I'm originally from the east coast, and while there I'd occasionally hit the AMPs or BP girls. But outside of this country, my experience is more frequent and varied. I've paid nearly a grand for a supermodel-quality Russian escort in London, and I've paid $12 for a girl in a sleazy local brothel in Peru. I'm a big fan of the German FKK clubs, until recently they were my favorite venue for the hobby. In those venues, for me it's mostly about appearance and how good I think she'll perform in the sack.

When I moved here, I was disappointed by the quality on BP. So many of the girls are drugged-up zombies and while some of them are somewhat attractive, the overall quality of the experience is lacking for me. I discovered SA almost a year ago, and it's become my favorite venue by far.

Looks definitely matter to me, and I'm very picky. I like tall, thin girls. I haven't seen a BP girl I'd sleep with even for free in quite a while. On SA, there are usually only a handful of active girls I'm interested in at any given time. Most of them I wouldn't consider seeing. But intelligence and the girl's situation matters too. I prefer girls who aren't desperate and who don't NEED to be SBs. I like the ones who are just looking for some extra cash to spoil themselves or give themselves a leg up in life. I've broken this rule a few times, but my general rule is that I only see legitimate college students. Most of the girls I've seen are intelligent, funny, drug-free and fun to hang out with, even aside from the physical part of the arrangement. They've all been 18-24.

I've hooked up with around 20 girls from SA so far. Some were one-time meets and some were ongoing for various amounts of time. Most of the girls I've met on SA got 200 per meet. I've never paid more than 300 and two of the best girls I've met didn't request any allowance, although I'd sometimes take them out to nice dinners, etc. Most of them have been truly GFE, we usually go on a date then have a few hours of fun. I've hooked up with a lot of them on the first date, but I almost prefer not to. I love doing a free meet and greet, then going on second date which leads back to my place for a few hours. The anticipation makes it even more fun.

I just had to cut a girl loose who I really liked. She's pretty, has an amazing body that is nearly perfect for my tastes and we connected very well in the bedroom, she was a true GFE. But her life was a mess and the drama was interfering with our arrangement.

I just met another girl who is a real pleasure. She's a responsible college student who just wants some extra cash. Her expectations were very low, I probably could have paid less but I give her 200/ meet. She always texts me back immediately, she has her life together and she's intelligent, creative and fun. And in the bedroom it feels very natural, not at all like a financial arrangement. Honestly to me she's worth a lot more, but she was very happy with the arrangement, so I'm hoping it lasts.

So to get to the question, how much I'll pay depends on a variety of factors. Appearance matters, obviously. But so does intelligence, personality and the general connection I have with a girl. I almost always do a meet and greet first, so we go out to dinner just like a normal date. Obviously, how we connect in the bedroom is important too, but I don't usually find that out until after we negotiate a price. But by getting to know them, I certainly get a feeling of how they'll be in the bedroom. And most of the girls I've met on SA have been very eager to please. I know they're in it for the money, but at the same time when you get to know them a bit before hooking up, it feels very much like a civilian hookup. There are some pros and semi-pros on SA, but many of the students haven't done this before. They are sometimes apprehensive at first, but they also really get into the sex in ways you can't fake.

Age matters too, there's something great about a fresh, 18-24 year old college student.

The specific acts involved don't play a huge factor when it comes to SA. Sometimes if a girl seems particularly kinky I'd factor that into the equation. But in general, the SA girls I've met are usually up for pretty much anything.

I don't have a checklist or anything, it's the combination of the above factors that determines how much I'll pay. It's mostly instinct at this point.

The Germans have it down to a science though. In the FKK clubs, sex is 50 euros per half hour which includes sex, dfk and BBBJ. CIM is 50 extra, anal is 100 extra. And it's all legal. Some of the girls are really beautiful, and they all walk around naked. It's something to experience. But lately I've wondered if it's all a bit too efficient. There's something to be said for the real personal connections you can find on SA. That's worth a bit more in my opinion.

If you asked me to recall my favorite experiences in the hobby outside of SA, the best would probably be the most expensive, that Russian escort in London was really special. Other than that, I guess I'd say a threesome in the German FKK club with two 20-year-old Romanian girls with thin, model-type bodies and beautiful faces. That one set me back around $250. A threesome in a Sao Paulo club was a lot of fun and cost around $300, and then there was the girl I met in a Manila nightclub who was free other than the cost of some drinks.

But SA has become my favorite venue, and spending more doesn't necessarily mean you'll get a better girl or a better experience. If anything my experience has been the reverse. I guess the ones who don't ask for as much either like you more or they're less focused on the money in general, so that leads to a better time.

[QUOTE=LikeMFlat;3406556]That's a good question, and one I've been considering a lot lately. I've mostly done my hobbying outside of this country, I'm single and run my own business, but I still fear the potential legal repercussions of partaking in the hobby in this country so I tend to be a little cautious. I'm originally from the east coast, and while there I'd occasionally hit the AMPs or BP girls. But outside of this country, my experience is more frequent and varied. I've paid nearly a grand for a supermodel-quality Russian escort in London, and I've paid $12 for a girl in a sleazy local brothel in Peru. I'm a big fan of the German FKK clubs, until recently they were my favorite venue for the hobby. In those venues, for me it's mostly about appearance and how good I think she'll perform in the sack.

When I moved here, I was disappointed by the quality on BP. So many of the girls are drugged-up zombies and while some of them are somewhat attractive, the overall quality of the experience is lacking for me. I discovered SA almost a year ago, and it's become my favorite venue by far.[/QUOTE]Thank you so much for this post, LikeMFlat. Your sentiments echo almost exactly my own situation and feelings, except I haven't traveled much yet outside the country. I've been very curious about the FKK clubs and thought of doing that myself. My high end experiences have mostly definitely been worth it (with just a couple exceptions). I look at BP every day and try to give it the benefit of the doubt, but it just scares me anymore. I have tried SA twice but with no success. I want to ask you for your handbook on that place. I just could not sort out the wheat from the chaff there and couldn't find a single one I was attracted to that I didn't think was a BP-like girl or a scammer. If you feel like handing out some tips, my PM box is open and appreciative.

[QUOTE=ArtWater;3406706]Thank you so much for this post, LikeMFlat. Your sentiments echo almost exactly my own situation and feelings, except I haven't traveled much yet outside the country. I've been very curious about the FKK clubs and thought of doing that myself. My high end experiences have mostly definitely been worth it (with just a couple exceptions). I look at BP every day and try to give it the benefit of the doubt, but it just scares me anymore. I have tried SA twice but with no success. I want to ask you for your handbook on that place. I just could not sort out the wheat from the chaff there and couldn't find a single one I was attracted to that I didn't think was a BP-like girl or a scammer. If you feel like handing out some tips, my PM box is open and appreciative.[/QUOTE]Not sure how long you have been mongering but you should be able to tell a working girl from a civy girl. If you can't then there seems to be a malfunction somewhere. If mongering is all you have ever done then your going to have problems connecting with a regular girl. One of the biggest complaints of a regular girl on sa is guys don't know how to talk to them, treating them like a hooker. So opening lines like "How much" or yummy doesn't get you far with a regular girl. As far as advice go to the richmond sb thread and read. You will find various methods that seem to work for different people looking for different types of girls. With all the tutoring in the world if you don't have a good personality, game, gift of gab then all you will ever connect with is p4 p girls. Good luck with your research bu7 t remember all the tutoring in the world sooner or later your going to be one on one with the girl and its on you to complete the mission.

[QUOTE=JohnHandCock;3406724]Not sure how long you have been mongering but you should be able to tell a working girl from a civy girl. If you can't then there seems to be a malfunction somewhere. If mongering is all you have ever done then your going to have problems connecting with a regular girl. One of the biggest complaints of a regular girl on sa is guys don't know how to talk to them, treating them like a hooker. So opening lines like "How much" or yummy doesn't get you far with a regular girl. As far as advice go to the richmond sb thread and read. You will find various methods that seem to work for different people looking for different types of girls. With all the tutoring in the world if you don't have a good personality, game, gift of gab then all you will ever connect with is p4 p girls. Good luck with your research bu7 t remember all the tutoring in the world sooner or later your going to be one on one with the girl and its on you to complete the mission.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the feedback, but no, talking to them is not the problem. The problem is finding the GP without GPS, ha ha. Is anyone on SA truly a civy? It's not so black and white to me, but you made your point -- there are ones who prefer to be treated like a true civy. I think my problem is probably the same one I have in civy dating, I'm too picky. The straightforwardness is a plus for me, but not why I'm doing it -- I'm looking for exceptional, unique experiences that I wouldn't otherwise have.

I will be in Cbus next month on business and wondering if I might be able to get some suggestions. I will have a hotel room so outcall is fine, but also able to do incall. Looking for a sp that can give a great slow, teasing BBBJ. No bbw's but doesn't have to be a spinner. Age is not a factor but not looking for any butterfaces.

Any help is appreciated. You can reply here or send me a pm.

I know this is a touchy subject. I'm actually considering getting out of the hobby again; because, I'm watching my 4th semi regular to regular go down into the rabbit hole, probably never to return in 2 years.

I know most, as in the VAST majority have serious RX, mental and emotional issues, but it's really hard to watch a girl become a complete slave to her monkey and know there is nothing I can do to help. I know I really should avoid any kind of emotional attachment, but when we actually get along and even start to hang out before and or after sessions, when they aren't in the grip of needing to get well or so well they nod off. It's just tough to watch.

I think it's def time for me to take a break.

How do you guys handle it?

[QUOTE=TBobber;3424465]I know this is a touchy subject. I'm actually considering getting out of the hobby again; because, I'm watching my 4th semi regular to regular go down into the rabbit hole, probably never to return in 2 years.

I know most, as in the VAST majority have serious RX, mental and emotional issues, but it's really hard to watch a girl become a complete slave to her monkey and know there is nothing I can do to help. I know I really should avoid any kind of emotional attachment, but when we actually get along and even start to hang out before and or after sessions, when they aren't in the grip of needing to get well or so well they nod off. It's just tough to watch.

I think it's def time for me to take a break.

How do you guys handle it?[/QUOTE]I think you got to understand the relationship between you and these broads. Treat them kindly, be a sounding board sometimes, and leave it at that. And be able to accept that your satisfaction may be giving them the ability to use. Just remember: you didn't stick the needle in their arm or give them the pipe. They own that and sometimes it's too late.

[QUOTE=TBobber;3424465]I know this is a touchy subject. I'm actually considering getting out of the hobby again; because, I'm watching my 4th semi regular to regular go down into the rabbit hole, probably never to return in 2 years.

I know most, as in the VAST majority have serious RX, mental and emotional issues, but it's really hard to watch a girl become a complete slave to her monkey and know there is nothing I can do to help. I know I really should avoid any kind of emotional attachment, but when we actually get along and even start to hang out before and or after sessions, when they aren't in the grip of needing to get well or so well they nod off. It's just tough to watch.

I think it's def time for me to take a break.

How do you guys handle it?[/QUOTE]I've had a couple of those. Long story short there's nothing you can do to help. She has to want to do it first and foremost, then and only then can you lend a supportive hand. I watched one of the two I was with choose to dry out (or whatever the term is used) at my house over the Thanksgiving holiday. She chose me to do that, so I guess she felt most comfortable with me. I don't know, but it was hard to watch her go through that. I didn't have an emotional connection with her, so it was hard in that respect, but still, watching that was not fun. The generation in their 20's is going through an epidemic with many dying. I just recently let go of one who I had high hopes for as a baby, but I saw the signs and exited early.

[QUOTE=TBobber;3424465]I know this is a touchy subject. I'm actually considering getting out of the hobby again; because, I'm watching my 4th semi regular to regular go down into the rabbit hole, probably never to return in 2 years.

I know most, as in the VAST majority have serious RX, mental and emotional issues, but it's really hard to watch a girl become a complete slave to her monkey and know there is nothing I can do to help. I know I really should avoid any kind of emotional attachment, but when we actually get along and even start to hang out before and or after sessions, when they aren't in the grip of needing to get well or so well they nod off. It's just tough to watch.

I think it's def time for me to take a break.

How do you guys handle it?[/QUOTE][URL]http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=7293598[/URL]

This article has helped me to deal with this complicated matter. There's a tendency for us, especially as men, to seek answers or solutions. The key for me is acceptance. Don't try to fix her, even within your mind. Just let her be herself. I often tell them I know they have a monkey on their back but I don't judge. They have so many people (friends, family) telling them they are morally bad or too weak. Not helpful. Listen when she needs to talk, comfort her if she's in pain, don't let her turn her problems and urgencies into yours. At least, that's my approach.

[QUOTE=TBobber;3424465]I know this is a touchy subject. I'm actually considering getting out of the hobby again; because, I'm watching my 4th semi regular to regular go down into the rabbit hole, probably never to return in 2 years.

I know most, as in the VAST majority have serious RX, mental and emotional issues, but it's really hard to watch a girl become a complete slave to her monkey and know there is nothing I can do to help. I know I really should avoid any kind of emotional attachment, but when we actually get along and even start to hang out before and or after sessions, when they aren't in the grip of needing to get well or so well they nod off. It's just tough to watch.

I think it's def time for me to take a break.

How do you guys handle it?[/QUOTE]We have all been there. No matter what they say, they are all playing us, it's a means to an end. The addiction comes first. These girls aren't seeing us for a relationship. Move on to something else. It's easier. Good luck.

Surprise kierra milan pregnant.

Her sugar daddy his will be now daddy.

I've been through a bunch of them. How do I handle. Once they hit a risky point I move on, cut contact, never see them again and replace them. Not trying to sound crude but you can't help them. Many don't want help. And there are a million more. The best I ever had is on this list. A few ended up dead. But not with my money or support. And a few ended up clean far far away.

Mongers, active mongers, any thoughts on the sharp increase in BBW ads? Its covering every ethnic group. For my younger folks, is BBW in right now? I will say this, if they are clean and look even remotely close to their pics, greek and good brain should be on the menu. Check out the ads all over from the weekend. Are the ads legit? Suriyah, Madison Banks, Amber Dior etc;.

Gentlemen, buy more pussy and pleasure so that your funds may fuel this epidemic. But at the same time I want you all to be complacent and keep telling yourself that your money is going to be spent on diapers and food for the kids. For those that smoke crack with these girls (yes there are those that do this) and drive these girls to go get drugs, I want you to pat yourself on the back. I love the chaos and misery that this epidemic propagates. Keep the feeding the devil, gentlemen. Hehehehe. I want America to lose the war on drugs.

[QUOTE=Mike7794;3424475]I've had a couple of those. Long story short there's nothing you can do to help. She has to want to do it first and foremost, then and only then can you lend a supportive hand. I watched one of the two I was with choose to dry out (or whatever the term is used) at my house over the Thanksgiving holiday. She chose me to do that, so I guess she felt most comfortable with me. I don't know, but it was hard to watch her go through that. I didn't have an emotional connection with her, so it was hard in that respect, but still, watching that was not fun. The generation in their 20's is going through an epidemic with many dying. I just recently let go of one who I had high hopes for as a baby, but I saw the signs and exited early.[/QUOTE]

I've never given someone references before. Is it a quick call to providers? Do they just say something like 'Have you seen Alexander?. He said you would remember him, because he's the one who makes peanut butter pancakes?

[QUOTE=MT532;3448281]I've never given someone references before. Is it a quick call to providers? Do they just say something like 'Have you seen Alexander?. He said you would remember him, because he's the one who makes peanut butter pancakes?[/QUOTE]It can be that simple, but some want more info on you, name, state, reg. #s, my dick will never be in that much need! Sorry! Drk.

What's that on the table next to the screwdriver?

[URL]http://columbus.backpage.com/WomenSeekMen/devon-is-bakk-and-lonely/42167298[/URL]

[QUOTE=FolkArt;3454922]What's that on the table next to the screwdriver?

[URL]http://columbus.backpage.com/WomenSeekMen/devon-is-bakk-and-lonely/42167298[/URL][/QUOTE]Looks like a mirror with powder and maybe a syringe haha.

Need a few suggestions for daytime.

Senior members only, please pm me.

Looks more like a crack pipe to me, glad to see she knows how to spend her money well.

[QUOTE=BobSchmoe;3455233]Looks like a mirror with powder and maybe a syringe haha.[/QUOTE]

Seems your post got deleted. I was so curious on what you had to say.

[QUOTE=FolkArt;3454922]What's that on the table next to the screwdriver?

[URL]http://columbus.backpage.com/WomenSeekMen/devon-is-bakk-and-lonely/42167298[/URL][/QUOTE]Crack pipe.

How can you tell? It's a drug pipe 4 sure; just curious how you guys are sure crack? From my experiences these stems are used for smoking hard, tweak, perc, tar. I see a prescription bottle. Could be coincidence or could be perc 30. Often it is a combo for most chics. More than one flavor.

Can or do LEOs check a chick's phone if their looking for Johns? Just curious. I've used my personal phone set up a massage session and I wonder if, well, any of you guys use your personal cellphones to set up appointments, etc?

[QUOTE=TheDegenerate;3466123]Can or do LEOs check a chick's phone if their looking for Johns? Just curious. I've used my personal phone set up a massage session and I wonder if, well, any of you guys use your personal cellphones to set up appointments, etc?[/QUOTE]It would be standard operating procedure, if a "chick" is busted weather for drugs or "working" for uncle to ask permission to search the providers phone. Weather the provider allows or not is on a YMMV standard but if they (LEO) really feel there is something in it of value, they will secure a search warrant and do whatever they can to get into it.

If your worried about them busing you for getting a massage with a happy ending or some other FS event, I would not sweat it. NOW if it was a girl who could have been underage or they suspected was a human trafficking victim and they wanted to make a statement, they surely could use that to call you in to chat which does not mean arrest but they will put the fear of god into you if they can. Remember they have to have probable cause that a crime was committed for an arrest to be made, your number in the phone does not mean a crime was committed. I will say it is not unheard of for an arrest to be made with less than what I would consider probable cause, but that is to make a statement and if you get off, they don't care its going to cost you $$$ and time.

Hot Dogg, I get to pop my cherry again.

Newly setup in Ohio from not so far away. Will hopefully have something to report fairly soon as I'm open for buisness.

-G.

[QUOTE=TheDegenerate;3466123]Can or do LEOs check a chick's phone if their looking for Johns? Just curious. I've used my personal phone set up a massage session and I wonder if, well, any of you guys use your personal cellphones to set up appointments, etc?[/QUOTE]I have used my personal phone, since I'm single and don't have anything to hide, however, I too am cautious about who could get my number, etc.

So much easier to pay 15.00 a month for a throw away and not worry about it. Even if LEO had the time, and budget to track down John's calls, they would have to prove it was really me using the phone at the time. IF you have an SO, I would strongly suggest a throw away for mongering purposes. Hope this helps.

[QUOTE=GhostRider50;3472572]I have used my personal phone, since I'm single and don't have anything to hide, however, I too am cautious about who could get my number, etc.

So much easier to pay 15.00 a month for a throw away and not worry about it. Even if LEO had the time, and budget to track down John's calls, they would have to prove it was really me using the phone at the time. IF you have an SO, I would strongly suggest a throw away for mongering purposes. Hope this helps.[/QUOTE]Also this is the reason why I NEVER send my pics to these females. Oddly enough, more and more of them seem to ask for pics (I haven't seen Caliar for that reason). If you send your pic and the cops have a way to get in it, plausible deniability is out the window.

[QUOTE=GhostRider50;3472572]I have used my personal phone, since I'm single and don't have anything to hide, however, I too am cautious about who could get my number, etc.

So much easier to pay 15.00 a month for a throw away and not worry about it. Even if LEO had the time, and budget to track down John's calls, they would have to prove it was really me using the phone at the time. IF you have an SO, I would strongly suggest a throw away for mongering purposes. Hope this helps.[/QUOTE]Have you thought about a google voice number linked to a fake gmail account?

[QUOTE=BuckeyeFanatic;3472926]Have you thought about a google voice number linked to a fake gmail account?[/QUOTE]If you want a true anonymous email stay away from any US based provider. I personally use an email provider from the Ukraine. No way are they getting any info from them.

How many different girls in the fotos?

[URL]http://columbus.backpage.com/WomenSeekMen/experience-the-perfection-of-pleasure-young-beautiful-girl-wanting-to-make-you-feel-great/36289483[/URL]

She writes "I". Should she type "We" instead?

[QUOTE=FolkArt;3479803]How many different girls in the fotos?

[URL]http://columbus.backpage.com/WomenSeekMen/experience-the-perfection-of-pleasure-young-beautiful-girl-wanting-to-make-you-feel-great/36289483[/URL]

She writes "I". Should she type "We" instead?[/QUOTE]Text her and ask if this is Cody.

May have to move for my job after all these years. So far I've been given a choice of Cincinnati or Cleveland area. I'll be about 50 miles out in the country from either.

Living away from the city is nothing new and I've often thought I'm better off for it. If I lived closer to the ladies I'd always be broke Ha ha.

Anyone use a phone app to make calls? I use a text app & that works great most times. Used to use disposable cell but was always running out of minutes or they expired. I don't play regularly.

Thanks.

[QUOTE=OtisC;3509157]Anyone use a phone app to make calls? I use a text app & that works great most times. Used to use disposable cell but was always running out of minutes or they expired. I don't play regularly.

Thanks.[/QUOTE]Google Voice + Google Hangouts. I like because if a number gets compromised you just get a new number.

[QUOTE=DamitRay;3508093]May have to move for my job after all these years. So far I've been given a choice of Cincinnati or Cleveland area. I'll be about 50 miles out in the country from either.

Living away from the city is nothing new and I've often thought I'm better off for it. If I lived closer to the ladies I'd always be broke Ha ha.[/QUOTE]I would rather be in Cleveland. NO question. Hotter women. Better baseball team. NBA basketball. More ethnic providers. Not just the plain vanilla ladies from the Queen City.