Rants, Raves, and Stupid Tinfoil Hat Wearing Conspiracy Bullshit

[QUOTE=Tomas247;3452314]The pussy be making some of y'all crazy. Jealous, intrusive, possessive, deceitful, butt-hurt, over-protective snitches left and right on the USASG. It's sad really. Just a reminder, anything you say, even in PMs, can and will likely be used against you at some point in time. #KeepShit100.

Every man for himself.[/QUOTE]All of us are hiding behind a username so it's kinda hard to put a ton of stock into relationships that are created on this site. There are some people on here that have multiple usernames, multiple personas and are basically losers that can't even get pussy even if they paid for it. So, There really is no way to believe anything you read. There are some guys on here that are genuine but it's few and far between. I wouldn't sweat it too much and knock guys who aren't as real as you. Just have fun, man. If you revealed some information in PM and it got back to the chick, so what? She get mad and cut you off? Get a new one. Plenty of chicks to spend your money on. Have fun, man. None of this shit is real. It's a game.

[QUOTE=TheSting24;3453750]Total Bullshit. I knew Mimi as well; In a good way.

You log on as a regular member, and only one post? Please Go Fuck Yourself.

TS24.
(sorry, this looks like a post I made; it is not. This post appeared yesterday by a moron named "NoMassage")[/QUOTE]For a guy who's written fake reviews, it's pretty bold of you to tell this guy to go "fuck himself" and calling him a "moron". Here's our PM where we had a conversation about you making up the fake story about getting robbed at gunpoint.

[QUOTE=GetControl]That's cool, Sting and thanks! I probably should have spent more time on the first message to you. Wasnt enough context. Should have told you how much I love a good mystery.

See you in cyberspace!

[QUOTE=TheSting24]I just spent 14 minutes writing you a response, and after all that effort, I hit send and the system had timed out and I lost all that God Damned work.

Yes, the post was mine. No, there were no weapons involved, but I was ripped off none the less. The post on ************.com were my attempt to drag her business down due to the fact that I was totally taken advantage of. So that was my tiny piece of revenge.

Look, lets just say we got off on the wrong foot here. You took exception to my first response to your PM, and I took exception to your response to my response.

We are on the same team here. Let's let it go.

Happy hunting,

Sting.


[QUOTE=GetControl]Did you post this? What happened and can you post to rip off thread:
[url]https://www.************.com/raleigh-durham/classifieds/ad/576b0bfdb7c80yTjz9n7E_ZEGZ6cfawaLqnMTFYRb-hLWBk88A/[/url]

Next time, don't assume I'm an asshole. I don't just PM people without a reason.[/QUOTE][/QUOTE][/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Tomas247;3452314]The pussy be making some of y'all crazy. Jealous, intrusive, possessive, deceitful, butt-hurt, over-protective snitches left and right on the USASG. It's sad really. Just a reminder, anything you say, even in PMs, can and will likely be used against you at some point in time. #KeepShit100.

Every man for himself.[/QUOTE]Dude did you just fuck up.

To me clients are cherished. I treat y'all with respect when it is given. If I have a smart mouth it is because I'm not a dumb ass. It is better be considered something rather then nothing. I had no intentions of joining this hobby to have more problems and drama in my life. I joined because I wanted to have fun and make bank doing it.

For those of you, the small few, that don't like my weight gain, I don't like urs either. But then again in not paying you for your looks am I? I understand your concerns but over the past two years some of you have done nothing but tear down women daily. I am a provider out of choice not habits or demons. Tense the weight gain. Why'all say I'm too skinny, have eyes of a dopehead, am a danger to society, and am a delequent. Here are the facts, NONE of you have ever seen me inebriated beyond recognition, NONE of you have seen me at my lowest or at my apex. NONE of you have ever been in harms way while in my company. NONE of you have ever been robbed or marked up by me or my smart mouth.

Now for those of you saying I'm over worked. Here is a news flash, we are not guaranteed tomorrow so I make the most of every day my feet hit the floor. I AM INDEPENDENT therefore do not compare me to females that are not cut from the same cloth.

Keep this in mind, when the talent leaves don't complain, why'all did it to yourselves by forgetting we are not a checklist we are women willing to do what others are not regardless if you think we would sleep with you for a drink at a bar.

MZ.

I can't believe you took the time to address the BBW comments. You need to stop reading the forum. The guys only post shit like that to get a rise out of you. And, you do have a smart mouth, not 'if'. Saying it's because you're not a "dumb ass" is a pretty clever play on words.

Anyway, looks like you're leaving town soon based on your current ad. Good luck on the next chapter in your life.

[QUOTE=MistressZodiac;3458838]To me clients are cherished. I treat y'all with respect when it is given. If I have a smart mouth it is because I'm not a dumb ass. It is better be considered something rather then nothing. I had no intentions of joining this hobby to have more problems and drama in my life. I joined because I wanted to have fun and make bank doing it.

For those of you, the small few, that don't like my weight gain, I don't like urs either. But then again in not paying you for your looks am I? I understand your concerns but over the past two years some of you have done nothing but tear down women daily. I am a provider out of choice not habits or demons. Tense the weight gain. Why'all say I'm too skinny, have eyes of a dopehead, am a danger to society, and am a delequent. Here are the facts, NONE of you have ever seen me inebriated beyond recognition, NONE of you have seen me at my lowest or at my apex. NONE of you have ever been in harms way while in my company. NONE of you have ever been robbed or marked up by me or my smart mouth.

Now for those of you saying I'm over worked. Here is a news flash, we are not guaranteed tomorrow so I make the most of every day my feet hit the floor. I AM INDEPENDENT therefore do not compare me to females that are not cut from the same cloth.

Keep this in mind, when the talent leaves don't complain, why'all did it to yourselves by forgetting we are not a checklist we are women willing to do what others are not regardless if you think we would sleep with you for a drink at a bar.

MZ.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=MistressZodiac;3458838]
MZ.[/QUOTE]Farewell. Good luck on your future endeavors. Your posts indicate "Your last week here".

[QUOTE=BeepBeepItsMe;3459608]Farewell. Good luck on your future endeavors. Your posts indicate "Your last week here".[/QUOTE]Must be a new marketing ploy because half the adds say leaving soon. Sigh. If only they would.

[QUOTE=Pubb69;3462729]Must be a new marketing ploy because half the adds say leaving soon. Sigh. If only they would.[/QUOTE]Even if they left, they'd be "Back by popular demand" in a week.

[QUOTE=Triptogamont;3462888]Even if they left, they'd be "Back by popular demand" in a week.[/QUOTE]Fell off my chair laughing.

[QUOTE=GetControl;3462956]Fell off my chair laughing.[/QUOTE]Like a bad penny they keep coming back.

Old Mister Johnson had troubles of his own.

He had a yellow cat that wouldn't leave its home;.

He tried and he tried to give the cat away.

He gave it to a man goin' far, far away.

But the cat came back the very next day.

The cat came back, we thought he was a goner.

Songwriters: Harry Miller.

Stay safe.

Med.

[QUOTE=Triptogamont;3462888]Even if they left, they'd be "Back by popular demand" in a week.[/QUOTE]

I've tried to post this message several times. Actually since last Saturday. Not sure why it hasn't been approved. [blue][Deleted by Admin]

Because I keep deleting it. These fight threads are for MEMBERS to let off steam, they are not here so that people with a bone to pick can register a username and do some fingerwaggen.

In other words, fuck off

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[QUOTE=MistressZodiac;3288488]I miss him too. I'm glad he found a happier place in life but he was one of my great dates and I will never forget him. He looks so young and had the softest skin I have ever touched LOL. Those were the days when dreaming with my boyfriend's was intense and I came alot with him. If he ever reads this, I hope he knows I miss him.

MZ.[/QUOTE]I really hope FatLever is ok. I've tried to PM him several times but his inbox is always full. He just vanished. Last I heard from him he was doing the sugar daddy game. If you read this, Fats, shoot me a PM. All you guys who haven't read his post, you should. His adventures were epic. Look him up by username and read all of his post [B]FatLever[/B].

I know we have talked about different ways to defend ourselves when seeing a provider and we got good advise from lots of people so I just wanted to remind everyone that the Dixie gun show is this weekend at the fairgrounds. You can just look or purchase stun guns and all types of self defense items.

To them it is ALL ABOUT MONEY. Money they rarely put back into this economy. As much as I want an AMP experience. I am boycotting them. Not that the money from a BR girl or any BP girl goes directly back to this Econmy. At lease at some point it stays in this country. The AMPs treat us like dirt. Just tired of it. Sorry for the rant.

[QUOTE=Editit;3499322]To them it is ALL ABOUT MONEY. Money they rarely put back into this economy. As much as I want an AMP experience. I am boycotting them. Not that the money from a BR girl or any BP girl goes directly back to this Econmy. At lease at some point it stays in this country. The AMPs treat us like dirt. Just tired of it. Sorry for the rant.[/QUOTE]I agree. That's my last time at an AMP. I hadn't been in a long time but could not get any "decent" (& even that is now proving challenging) advertiser so it was a last resort. The quality, and availability, for massage in this area has declined badly. I'm thinking of taking a break completely.

I think the paper towel thing is so they don't need detergent to wash the oil / lotion out. But, the other time it happened to me was with a CL advertiser not an AMP.

[QUOTE=AlvinPurple;3499389]I agree. That's my last time at an AMP. I hadn't been in a long time but could not get any "decent" (& even that is now proving challenging) advertiser so it was a last resort. The quality, and availability, for massage in this area has declined badly. I'm thinking of taking a break completely.

I think the paper towel thing is so they don't need detergent to wash the oil / lotion out. But, the other time it happened to me was with a CL advertiser not an AMP.[/QUOTE]Personally I don't care where they send or spend their money no matter if they are Chinese, Latino or whatever. If I was in Beijing making money the bulk of it would be headed back to my USA checking account. Now as far as the service and selection decline in this area, we all know the issues they have had with the license thing BUT I put a lot of the decline blame on the store owners for being greedy and lazy. There are hundreds of girls looking for jobs that these owners know exactly where to find. Some of these girls are young hot and eager to work. Some have experience some are fresh off the plane but are still mighty fine looking and can learn quick. Listen I know a little about this business and some of these owner squeeze every penny they can out of this business including their employees from the door fee, charging them rent which is very greedy sometimes charging them gas fee to be driven somewhere and will make the girls feel intimidated to ask for time off. As far as this area if these owners would get off their high horse and lazy ass and hire some hot girls and teach them how to keep a low profile because of the issues we have had they will attract us back into the store. Believe me there are A LOT of hot girls out there that know these rules BUT the owner HAS TO treat them right to attract them more importantly keep them. Done right the massage license cat and mouse game is only a formality, you think all these AAMP girls have license? These owners egos and greed are their biggest problem. I'm not saying all owners are like this, but just look around and you can get an idea of who fits the profile. Like grandpa said take care of your tools they will take care of you.

[QUOTE=Editit;3499322]To them it is ALL ABOUT MONEY. Money they rarely put back into this economy.[/QUOTE]I am a bit confused by this. They eat (groceries, restaurants) They drive cars (gas / maintenance). I have seen one of my favorites at a local mall (She was alone and we laughed and talked for a bit). The women don't go into stasis pods until needed, so I am a bit confused by the whole local economy thing. Sure they save up and go to "New York" from time to time. I just want to get a good back rub from someone I know with great endings.

[QUOTE=XHippie;3499490]BUT I put a lot of the decline blame on the store owners for being greedy and lazy. There are hundreds of girls looking for jobs that these owners know exactly where to find. Some of these girls are young hot and eager to work. Some have experience some are fresh off the plane but are still mighty fine looking and can learn quick. Listen I know a little about this business and some of these owner squeeze every penny they can out of this business including their employees from the door fee, charging them rent which is very greedy sometimes charging them gas fee to be driven somewhere and will make the girls feel intimidated to ask for time off. As far as this area if these owners would get off their high horse and lazy ass and hire some hot girls and teach them how to keep a low profile because of the issues we have had they will attract us back into the store.[/QUOTE]Yes, the owners are mostly to blame. For example; an owner wants two girls working so no customers will be turned away. However the owner will come in late and take three or four customers away from the girls and leave in the afternoon. The owner not only gets all the house money but all the tip money. Sure it's their business but the girls will get mad since they work 12's everday plus live in the store while still having to pay daily rent. Throw in the fact that the owner monitors the video feed and can listen to the conversations at the desk and in the break room. Oh, and how about the owner's boyfriend who constantly harass the girls for massages and extras. The girls don't feel appreciated and are squeezed every which way by the owners because of greed. This area needs one good AMP that keeps a clean store by washing the towels, washing the TS room and hiring girls with massage skills between the ages 30 - 35 and business would boom as long if the location was right.

[QUOTE=HookyPooky;3489626]Well said another point to add as a former NYer and Atlien. Competition breeds quality. In NY asking for a tug isn't even required its par for the course in every parlor I've visited. I still do my research before hitting a spot but for the most part especially in NY there isn't a need. There are so many of them if the chicks don't oblige then there is a price to pay. Atlanta is hit or miss depending on the area but even though I was born and raised in NY my first experience was in GA.[/QUOTE]I have visited Flushing before and while walking down Roosevelt Ave I stopped in a salon which had a massage operation in the basement. Nothing but sheets for walls and a door, but I got an excellent 1 hour massage from a girl in her 20's for just $20 with no HE. Yes, an excellent $20 massage and I tipped $25.

In my travels I've found that some geographic locations; competition tends to either offer better prices or better quality, but usually not both. In areas that have a higher concentration of Asians like Los Angeles, San Fran or NYC is where you will find both: a) quality, because the ladies want to be close to home and b) lower prices, because there is an AMP on every street catering to the all the white collar workers and tourists. In most other cities, like Raleigh, the Asian population is very small and everything is spread out so the few stores that do operate don't feel they are competing so they are not picky on quality and the prices are higher.

[QUOTE=Purple45;3500432]I have visited Flushing before and while walking down Roosevelt Ave I stopped in a salon which had a massage operation in the basement. Nothing but sheets for walls and a door, but I got an excellent 1 hour massage from a girl in her 20's for just $20 with no HE. Yes, an excellent $20 massage and I tipped $25.

In my travels I've found that some geographic locations; competition tends to either offer better prices or better quality, but usually not both. In areas that have a higher concentration of Asians like Los Angeles, San Fran or NYC is where you will find both: a) quality, because the ladies want to be close to home and b) lower prices, because there is an AMP on every street catering to the all the white collar workers and tourists. In most other cities, like Raleigh, the Asian population is very small and everything is spread out so the few stores that do operate don't feel they are competing so they are not picky on quality and the prices are higher.[/QUOTE]Showing these two statistics because of the similarities in population. Here's a comparison of just "ONE" city compared to Raleigh. Miami Fl population 453,000 - Raleigh NC population 458,000 - Raleigh Massage establishments count them on one hand! Miami 76 stores that I'm aware of that are listed. Come on, cut the Miami number in half its still ridiculous. Hummm welcome to the Bible Belt Area fella's. Just look at the report below about 0044, when's the last time we got all giddy about a place like WestGate or hell even got giddy about a single girl at any place. Again these owners around here better wise up if they want to make a buck for themselves other than the landlord or even stay in business.

[QUOTE=XHippie;3500599]Showing these two statistics because of the similarities in population. Here's a comparison of just "ONE" city compared to Raleigh. Miami Fl population 453,000 - Raleigh NC population 458,000 - Raleigh Massage establishments count them on one hand! Miami 76 stores that I'm aware of that are listed. Come on, cut the Miami number in half its still ridiculous. Hummm welcome to the Bible Belt Area fella's. Just look at the report below about 0044, when's the last time we got all giddy about a place like WestGate or hell even got giddy about a single girl at any place. Again these owners around here better wise up if they want to make a buck for themselves other than the landlord or even stay in business.[/QUOTE]Miami is a unique city that benefits by being the Hispanic Capital of the world and a major port of entry into the United States. The city numbers are true however its the metropolitan area numbers, tourism numbers and world economic ranking that blows Raleigh away. An urban area with that populous and economic footprint plus the "Fun in the Sun" lifestyle will support that many AMPs.

Miami Metropolitan: 5. 5 million vs Raleigh Metropolitan: 1. 21 million.

Miami Tourism Revenue: 25.6 billion vs Raleigh Tourism Revenue: 2. 33 billion.

Miami Purchasing Power: 7th in World vs Raleigh Purchasing Power: Not Ranked.

Think to compare Raleigh to Miami. Go response post.

[QUOTE=Purple45;3501701]Miami is a unique city that benefits by being the Hispanic Capital of the world and a major port of entry into the United States. The city numbers are true however its the metropolitan area numbers, tourism numbers and world economic ranking that blows Raleigh away. A city with that populous and economic footprint plus the "Fun in the Sun" lifestyle will support that many AMPs.

Miami Metropolitan: 5. 5 million vs Raleigh Metropolitan: 1. 21 million.

Miami Tourism Revenue: 25.6 billion vs Raleigh Tourism Revenue: 2. 33 billion.

Miami Purchasing Power: 7th in World vs Raleigh Purchasing Power: Not Ranked.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=JohnDagger;3501743]Think to compare Raleigh to Miami. Go response post.[/QUOTE]Exactly that's my point! I could have compared Raleigh to Manhattan (where they have stores open 24/7) or wherever. I recently compared Raleigh to Charlotte which obviously does not have 76 stores and is no where near Miami or Manhattan. Point being this area is dead and there is no incentive for others to rebuild the Massage business, they are going "where the money is". Raleigh is just one big Mayberry it's not developed the way the bigger cities are. Oh there's plenty of white collar workers that sit in traffic on 40 everyday with disposable cash that use to frequent these stores. But these owners are either lazy, greedy or paranoid probably all 3, but they do count every penny walking in the door. But my main point is the owners building the stores that deliver the goods are not putting that money here that's for sure. Hense you can count Raleigh's stores on one hand. However 76 stores would be nice here but I would be on food stamps in a few months. Whew at least somebody's reading the post and voicing there opinion. We have some smart members.

More focus by the news. GeeZ did you know that some of the massage folks couldn't speak English. The Massage Board is behind some of this based upon past posts. The system is rigged against those that are trying. I am sure there is some truth to human trafficking. But I haven't seen it in my limited visits and interaction with providers.

Get really tired of making trump fake news.

[URL]http://www.wral.com/police-regulators-try-to-keep-up-with-illicit-massage-parlors/16868809/[/URL]

[QUOTE=Hanger42;3502899]More focus by the news. GeeZ did you know that some of the massage folks couldn't speak English. The Massage Board is behind some of this based upon past posts. The system is rigged against those that are trying. I am sure there is some truth to human trafficking. But I haven't seen it in my limited visits and interaction with providers.

Get really tired of making trump fake news.

[URL]http://www.wral.com/police-regulators-try-to-keep-up-with-illicit-massage-parlors/16868809/[/URL][/QUOTE]The system might be biased but it isn't rigged. The police, the massage board and the politicians are are lined up against the unlicensed AMPs owners and unlicensed massage workers. Human trafficking is real but its also a convenient label to paint a horrific mental image to the public and jurors for guilty verdicts and its simply not true in most AMP situations. The massage board is heavily scrutinizing licenses from NYC and they should if there is evidence of test compromise or if people are paying for a fake certificate without any real training. The same scrutiny is done for any other career field requiring a certified license for employment. Requiring a liscence is basically another form of taxation and control by the government for revenue and public safety. I wish there was a distinction between a medical massage therapy license and a relaxing massage certification which would help the AMPs.

[QUOTE=Hanger42;3502899]More focus by the news. GeeZ did you know that some of the massage folks couldn't speak English. The Massage Board is behind some of this based upon past posts. The system is rigged against those that are trying. I am sure there is some truth to human trafficking. But I haven't seen it in my limited visits and interaction with providers.

Get really tired of making trump fake news.

[URL]http://www.wral.com/police-regulators-try-to-keep-up-with-illicit-massage-parlors/16868809/[/URL][/QUOTE]Whenever I go to the McDonald's drive thru I can't understand anything they say because their English is terrible but God forbid someone giving me a massage has trouble with English and I am sure that double Quarter pounder is going to kill me long before getting a HE.

[QUOTE=Tee98;3503123]Whenever I go to the McDonald's drive thru I can't understand anything they say because their English is terrible but God forbid someone giving me a massage has trouble with English and I am sure that double Quarter pounder is going to kill me long before getting a HE.[/QUOTE]T98 & P45 both raise valid points, how much training / license do you really need to give a half ass or even a good masssge (HE is desert) And to P45's point there are some with license that my Pit Bull Sadie could speak better English, how did they get that license? LOL. Now the lady bribing LE just stupid, cut your loses and leave lady! The human trafficking thing is bullshit. I agree there are some owners shaking down some girls but they are free to leave. The point mentioned about is this a HEALTH or PAMPER service. Are beautician's and Barbers Vetted like these Asian ladies? A lot of Vietnamese manicurist out there. Hell I've been nicked more times gettin a hair cut than I've been hurt in a Parlor. The vetting process mentioned in this news article is 2 things that I've mentioned in previous post (that I personally have experience with when my girl friend went through the process) 1. The Interview, very intimidating for the girl, I've had easier interviews in my corporate career. 2. TOEFL Test, google it! The massage board will require the girl to take this test with a required passing score, and the required score is higher than some universities require unbelievable. This is not an easy test for you or I to take so yes this is extreme vetting. I understand the human trafficking concern and the concern to protect the public health. But the real problem is the Board, the Governor and Public Opinion is lumping girls that want to earn a living and prostitution all into one group. Why? Because if she's Asian and does Massage she's definitely touching dicks. And anyone that knows the "blue ball feeling" know what I mean and they all are not touching dicks. Just look at the headline on the news story it says a lot. It's already set the tone. So the girls that actually go through the massage boards process of going to school etc. The odds are already stacked against them because of the automatic vetting process to follow BECAUSE they are Asian and this my fellow friends IS DESCRIMINATION but nobody in Raleigh gives a shit about that little fact. So now the Raleigh Suits help create an underground system. License from another source, AAMP's and the girls that were planning to go through the formal system just say fuck it we will play by the rules that makes the cash. The Governor The Massage Board and The Monkey Lawyer are all within arms reach in Raleigh and instead of having understanding and helping people that were not born here they back hand b*tch slap them. Mayberry indeed.

Ok I'm sorry but the system is rigged how is it that a landscaper who owns a business can take the pesticide course and take the test so he has the license and all his illegal immigrants who can't speak a bit of English can now work under his umbrella of a license. How can a electrician or plumber have a license and all their apprenticeship workers can work under his umbrella of a license. My neighbor's who owns multiple nail salons and lives in a half million dollar home never have any trouble even though they don't speak a lick of English. I watched my SO work her ass off studying and going to a massage school in N.Y. then take and pass that 2000 plus question test only to get turned down by the NC massage board because they claimed her English wasn't good enough. Her English is ok she can carry on a conversation. I would like someone to tell me who is being human trafficked if they had someone they would be parading them out there in front of the camera's. The 2 girls from Touch of Asia after the bust stayed in my house and believe me they were not being trafficked. What is their problem with cars that have N.Y. . Plates all the girls that I know who have their own cars tell me they register them at the DMV in Flushing because the DMV workers speak Chinese and it's makes the process easier well that makes sense to me. This is just a dog and pony show because there is a lot of federal money out there to be had if you just say the magic words human trafficking. This is just a money game with everyone jumping on board from the NC massage schools who want $14,000 for their classes compared to $4,000 in N.Y. to the massage board who are made up of people who own chain massage stores who paid big bucks for their franchise's and can't compete with the little old Asian massage places. It also amazes me that there were 5 arrested in the Touch of Asia bust 2 men and 3 women now we all know of the 2 girls working there and they always list on the news the 2 men but it's very interesting that the other women arrested she is the owner but they never mentioned her most likely because it doesn't fit the talking points that a woman is trafficking other women. This women is one of the nicest people you will ever meet and really takes care of her employees. She doesn't deserve what they are doing to her.

[QUOTE=Tee98;3503289]Ok I'm sorry but the system is rigged how is it that a landscaper who owns a business can take the pesticide course and take the test so he has the license and all his illegal immigrants who can't speak a bit of English can now work under his umbrella of a license. How can a electrician or plumber have a license and all their apprenticeship workers can work under his umbrella of a license. My neighbor's who owns multiple nail salons and lives in a half million dollar home never have any trouble even though they don't speak a lick of English. I watched my SO work her ass off studying and going to a massage school in N.Y. then take and pass that 2000 plus question test only to get turned down by the NC massage board because they claimed her English wasn't good enough. Her English is ok she can carry on a conversation. I would like someone to tell me who is being human trafficked if they had someone they would be parading them out there in front of the camera's. The 2 girls from Touch of Asia after the bust stayed in my house and believe me they were not being trafficked. What is their problem with cars that have N.Y. . Plates all the girls that I know who have their own cars tell me they register them at the DMV in Flushing because the DMV workers speak Chinese and it's makes the process easier well that makes sense to me. This is just a dog and pony show because there is a lot of federal money out there to be had if you just say the magic words human trafficking. This is just a money game with everyone jumping on board from the NC massage schools who want $14,000 for their classes compared to $4,000 in N.Y. to the massage board who are made up of people who own chain massage stores who paid big bucks for their franchise's and can't compete with the little old Asian massage places. It also amazes me that there were 5 arrested in the Touch of Asia bust 2 men and 3 women now we all know of the 2 girls working there and they always list on the news the 2 men but it's very interesting that the other women arrested she is the owner but they never mentioned her most likely because it doesn't fit the talking points that a woman is trafficking other women. This women is one of the nicest people you will ever meet and really takes care of her employees. She doesn't deserve what they are doing to her.[/QUOTE]Hell, I'm a electrical contractor and there are just as many unlicensed contractors in every trade in NC as there are "AMPs". Trucks all day long on the road saying "Handy Man" we do pressure washing, build decks, electrical, plumbing, HVAC, One call does it all" Go to any new construction sight and ask who can speak English? Must be human trafficking also right? So these people can build our houses, apartments or high rise buildings without licensing but can't give a good massage? The reason we have licensing in NC for trades is to protect the public's health, comfort, and welfare. What's the reason for the message board for, so that I can understand in English I came in to get a massage and if it's to hard I can say stop or ease up a bit? I call BULLSHIT!

[QUOTE=Tee98;3503289]Ok I'm sorry but the system is rigged how is it that a landscaper who owns a business can take the pesticide course and take the test so he has the license and all his illegal immigrants who can't speak a bit of English can now work under his umbrella of a license. How can a electrician or plumber have a license and all their apprenticeship workers can work under his umbrella of a license. My neighbor's who owns multiple nail salons and lives in a half million dollar home never have any trouble even though they don't speak a lick of English. I watched my SO work her ass off studying and going to a massage school in N.Y. then take and pass that 2000 plus question test only to get turned down by the NC massage board because they claimed her English wasn't good enough. Her English is ok she can carry on a conversation. I would like someone to tell me who is being human trafficked if they had someone they would be parading them out there in front of the camera's. The 2 girls from Touch of Asia after the bust stayed in my house and believe me they were not being trafficked. What is their problem with cars that have N.Y. . Plates all the girls that I know who have their own cars tell me they register them at the DMV in Flushing because the DMV workers speak Chinese and it's makes the process easier well that makes sense to me. This is just a dog and pony show because there is a lot of federal money out there to be had if you just say the magic words human trafficking. This is just a money game with everyone jumping on board from the NC massage schools who want $14,000 for their classes compared to $4,000 in N.Y. to the massage board who are made up of people who own chain massage stores who paid big bucks for their franchise's and can't compete with the little old Asian massage places. It also amazes me that there were 5 arrested in the Touch of Asia bust 2 men and 3 women now we all know of the 2 girls working there and they always list on the news the 2 men but it's very interesting that the other women arrested she is the owner but they never mentioned her most likely because it doesn't fit the talking points that a woman is trafficking other women. This women is one of the nicest people you will ever meet and really takes care of her employees. She doesn't deserve what they are doing to her.[/QUOTE]Pretty much what my last few post were preaching, It's about who's running the cities, how conservative or liberal the business laws are. These liberal laws or lack of is why I made the Raleigh / Miami / Charlotte comparison. A city can have streamed lined laws or they can cherry pick who they allow or not allow to operate, is that free enterprise? This is America right not fucking Russia? This whole thing is supposedly about controlling prostitution, human trafficking and operating without a massage license. The Massage Board may be out of their jurisdiction on the first two. So is NC the only state that cares about these issues? Why are other states so easy to get a massage license don't they care about their citizens? What's wrong with their Governor and law makers? Why do they care so much for their local economy are they crazy? Raleigh and Miami have the same population but obviously they are worlds apart on many fronts but the main difference is the laws that allow business's to operate that was my main point earlier and is relevant to what the Massage Board is doing. They are micro managing and targeting Asian businesses. Hey if they shut down all the Asian parlors in this area I'm fine I'm covered with plenty of Asian free pussy (maybe a dinner and using my shampoo) Pssst backpage / AAMP. But what the board is doing is discriminatory and bad for business. The land lords loose money which they throw back into the economy where you and I shop and work. The Asians loose money that they spend at CVS, Walmart, Apple, Grocery Stores, the Mall, electric companies, phone service, water service, plumbing service the list goes on and on and on. And the folks that work at these companies are American too that have kids to feed and bills to pay that throw money back into the economy. Who knows some Massage Board members probably own CVS, Walmart, Starbucks or Apple stock (ALL American Business's) See how we are all connected you fools at The Board. They are not sending all their cash back to China they have to eat in a room with lights and wear clothes too. Nothing worse than having an idiot in charge convinced they are right.

[QUOTE=Binkster;3499539]I am a bit confused by this. They eat (groceries, restaurants) They drive cars (gas / maintenance). I have seen one of my favorites at a local mall (She was alone and we laughed and talked for a bit). The women don't go into stasis pods until needed, so I am a bit confused by the whole local economy thing. Sure they save up and go to "New York" from time to time. I just want to get a good back rub from someone I know with great endings.[/QUOTE]It's tough to know how much anyone in a cash based job spends in their local economy. Anecdotally many immigrants don't really put a lot back into the local economy. They tend to be heavy savers and when they shop they tend to buy from people like them. I've met many foreigners working here who won't buy a car, go to a restaurant owned by. Anyone not like them.

The above said, many do eventually put a good chunk of money back by making big purchases such as homes. However, even that can have a chilling effect on the local economy because they are often willing to overpay or at least have more in cash to put down. Take a look at some areas that are heavily populated with Indian who work in IT. Many live in very nice homes and they often put down 20+% because they save like crazy. Odd thing is when you look at stores and shops near there home it's rarely as booming as areas where the majority of residents are white, black and so forth.

[QUOTE=FordDiesel250;3503534]Hell, I'm a electrical contractor and there are just as many unlicensed contractors in every trade in NC as there are "AMPs". Trucks all day long on the road saying "Handy Man" we do pressure washing, build decks, electrical, plumbing, HVAC, One call does it all" Go to any new construction sight and ask who can speak English? Must be human trafficking also right? So these people can build our houses, apartments or high rise buildings without licensing but can't give a good massage? The reason we have licensing in NC for trades is to protect the public's health, comfort, and welfare. What's the reason for the message board for, so that I can understand in English I came in to get a massage and if it's to hard I can say stop or ease up a bit? I call BULLSHIT![/QUOTE]I call bullshit too. I think one of the differences is that with construction no matter how many people are on the site it's usually a white guy at the top doing well for himself. Given how bureaucratic the permitting process can be that guy over a career has probably made some connections in a way the average massage owner has not. I bet my bottom dollar that if chiropractors started hiring non-English speaking Asian women to give massages we wouldn't hear a word about human trafficking or how bad it was to give a massage without a license.

There's a really good book called I think race and economics that talks about how licenses are often just a way to exclude people from the workforce. My guess is that massage envy and similar places don't like the asian places.

[QUOTE=MistressZodiac;3458838]To me clients are cherished. I treat y'all with respect when it is given. If I have a smart mouth it is because I'm not a dumb ass. It is better be considered something rather then nothing. I had no intentions of joining this hobby to have more problems and drama in my life. I joined because I wanted to have fun and make bank doing it.

For those of you, the small few, that don't like my weight gain, I don't like urs either. But then again in not paying you for your looks am I? I understand your concerns but over the past two years some of you have done nothing but tear down women daily. I am a provider out of choice not habits or demons. Tense the weight gain. Why'all say I'm too skinny, have eyes of a dopehead, am a danger to society, and am a delequent. Here are the facts, NONE of you have ever seen me inebriated beyond recognition, NONE of you have seen me at my lowest or at my apex. NONE of you have ever been in harms way while in my company. NONE of you have ever been robbed or marked up by me or my smart mouth.

Now for those of you saying I'm over worked. Here is a news flash, we are not guaranteed tomorrow so I make the most of every day my feet hit the floor. I AM INDEPENDENT therefore do not compare me to females that are not cut from the same cloth..[/QUOTE]This is why we love you Scorpio, you are honest and real and cool as hell! I love your taste in music and everything about you. Come on back to Raleigh soon! Big Love, Stephen Simpson, your pal on Twitter.

But I think part of the point was.

Think how DANGEROUS it is to have an improperly trained Electrician doing electrical work on a home.

Vastly more dangerous than your unlicensed GF givng you a back massage.

If this was really about concern for the public. They would be after the folks making the Fire Fighters do overtime not the ladies working out a few muscles.

[QUOTE=JoeLooking;3505022]I call bullshit too. I think one of the differences is that with construction no matter how many people are on the site it's usually a white guy at the top doing well for himself. Given how bureaucratic the permitting process can be that guy over a career has probably made some connections in a way the average massage owner has not. I bet my bottom dollar that if chiropractors started hiring non-English speaking Asian women to give massages we wouldn't hear a word about human trafficking or how bad it was to give a massage without a license.

There's a really good book called I think race and economics that talks about how licenses are often just a way to exclude people from the workforce. My guess is that massage envy and similar places don't like the asian places.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=livinitinva;3505204]But I think part of the point was.

Think how DANGEROUS it is to have an improperly trained Electrician doing electrical work on a home.

Vastly more dangerous than your unlicensed GF givng you a back massage.

If this was really about concern for the public. They would be after the folks making the Fire Fighters do overtime not the ladies working out a few muscles.[/QUOTE]There is list of professions you obviously want someone with the proper training, certification, licensed etc. Such as your Dentist, Doctor, Surgeon your plumber, electrician. Anyone that involves your health or flooding or burning down your house you want them to be properly trained. A question! Who could cause more harm a 100 pound Chinese girl giving a massage or the guy at Firestone tightening those lugs on that wheel? Does he have a License? Did he smoke a joint at lunch? Does he really give a shit? I have neeeever heard of one single person at Any Chinese store complain about being there against there will, or EVER heard anything in the news about anyone being harmed health wise at any store WHICH ARE the 2 main points that the Massage Board and News are highlighting. Public safety & human trafficking! OMG she has no license she could KILL someone shut them down quick! Whew that was a close one, ok kids your father spending your college fund is safe. So the Massage Board is setting all these regulations bla bla bla to "prevent / solve something that is not happening". Which really describes who They Are. They are a department of our local government that appears to be protecting the public's health but from what? Know body's being hurt!. Now for them to exist and continue to be on the payroll at the tax payers expense they create smoke and mirrors and a dog and pony show so they can keep their jobs. You got to create shit to keep them tax dollars coming this is an old old problem we have in our State and Federal government. Remember the $500 toilet seat or whatever fuck the number was. Yes everyone knows there's hanky panky going on but that involves LE not the Massage Board. Yes I know Massage Board it's in your regulations I've read them, shut the fuck up you are stepping outside of your boundaries trying to enforce the law. Leave that to the law enforcers. Remember their shear existence is to PROTECT the public and issue massage license. But the reality is they aren't protecting anyone's health or solving any human trafficking violations. They are simply squashing the Asians out of business because of the sex reputation. And the heat and complaints that they get at those board meetings every month from the Aunt Bee's working at Massage Envy and the cat ladies working out of their lonely houses only fuel their stupidity and convinces them to march forward. Oh they aren't going away because they are on the tax payers payroll there is an endless supply of cash for them and their families ( our tax dollars). They have no concept of one word that this country was built on many many decades ago before the 24/7 reality that we live in now. And that word is MERCY. We truly live in a dog eat dog society. Ever watch CNN and Fox go at it. I watch both I love a good dog fight comedy.. Psst you guys at the meeting look around the room and see if you can guess who I am. And yes I go to your web site and check the minutes of the meeting for accuracy. Damn it where's my blood pressure pill

[QUOTE=XHippie;3506376]There is list of professions you obviously want someone with the proper training, certification, licensed etc. Such as your Dentist, Doctor, Surgeon your plumber, electrician. Anyone that involves your health or flooding or burning down your house you want them to be properly trained. A question! Who could cause more harm a 100 pound Chinese girl giving a massage or the guy at Firestone tightening those lugs on that wheel? Does he have a License? Did he smoke a joint at lunch? Does he really give a shit? I have neeeever heard of one single person at Any Chinese store complain about being there against there will, or EVER heard anything in the news about anyone being harmed health wise at any store WHICH ARE the 2 main points that the Massage Board and News are highlighting. Public safety & human trafficking! OMG she has no license she could KILL someone shut them down quick! Whew that was a close one, ok kids your father spending your college fund is safe. So the Massage Board is setting all these regulations bla bla bla to "prevent / solve something that is not happening". Which really describes who They Are. They are a department of our local government that appears to be protecting the public's health but from what? Know body's being hurt!. Now for them to exist and continue to be on the payroll at the tax payers expense they create smoke and mirrors and a dog and pony show so they can keep their jobs. You got to create shit to keep them tax dollars coming this is an old old problem we have in our State and Federal government. Remember the $500 toilet seat or whatever fuck the number was. Yes everyone knows there's hanky panky going on but that involves LE not the Massage Board. Yes I know Massage Board it's in your regulations I've read them, shut the fuck up you are stepping outside of your boundaries trying to enforce the law. Leave that to the law enforcers. Remember their shear existence is to PROTECT the public and issue massage license. But the reality is they aren't protecting anyone's health or solving any human trafficking violations. They are simply squashing the Asians out of business because of the sex reputation. And the heat and complaints that they get at those board meetings every month from the Aunt Bee's working at Massage Envy and the cat ladies working out of their lonely houses only fuel their stupidity and convinces them to march forward. Oh they aren't going away because they are on the tax payers payroll there is an endless supply of cash for them and their families ( our tax dollars). They have no concept of one word that this country was built on many many decades ago before the 24/7 reality that we live in now. And that word is MERCY. We truly live in a dog eat dog society. Ever watch CNN and Fox go at it. I watch both I love a good dog fight comedy.. Psst you guys at the meeting look around the room and see if you can guess who I am. And yes I go to your web site and check the minutes of the meeting for accuracy. Damn it where's my blood pressure pill[/QUOTE]It all comes down to the politicians and who they can appease the most. They love to pick the low hanging fruit and ignore the problems that require real work.

[QUOTE=Tee98;3503289]Ok I'm sorry but the system is rigged how is it that a landscaper who owns a business can take the pesticide course and take the test so he has the license and all his illegal immigrants who can't speak a bit of English can now work under his umbrella of a license. How can a electrician or plumber have a license and all their apprenticeship workers can work under his umbrella of a license. My neighbor's who owns multiple nail salons and lives in a half million dollar home never have any trouble even though they don't speak a lick of English. I watched my SO work her ass off studying and going to a massage school in N.Y. then take and pass that 2000 plus question test only to get turned down by the NC massage board because they claimed her English wasn't good enough. Her English is ok she can carry on a conversation. I would like someone to tell me who is being human trafficked if they had someone they would be parading them out there in front of the camera's. The 2 girls from Touch of Asia after the bust stayed in my house and believe me they were not being trafficked. What is their problem with cars that have N.Y. . Plates all the girls that I know who have their own cars tell me they register them at the DMV in Flushing because the DMV workers speak Chinese and it's makes the process easier well that makes sense to me. This is just a dog and pony show because there is a lot of federal money out there to be had if you just say the magic words human trafficking..[/QUOTE]The reason nail salons and legitimate massage therapist never get complained on is they don't offer HE or sexual services. A legitimate MT goes to school for months then must pass the schools final testing. Then they have to pass a state test in order to get state certification to perform their craft. Each state has different qualifications and what's good in wv might be more or less than required in NC. Fif less they would need to take additional classes and pass the nc 6 state test. If its more they just take a test. To be legal they need that state certification where they are working. The first offender is the state for not following the law then the second is the business owner for hiring anyone who doesn't have that e state license. Now that's how a legitimate MT works We all know that AMPs is about the sexual service and the half ass massage is secondary. An outstanding legitimate massage runs 50 dollars and up an hour in wv. What I find entertaining is the number of guys who pay good money at these joints and complain about the half assed massage.

Guess my point is I see professionals for my needs. If I want a great massage I see a certified MT. If I want sex I find that elsewhere.

[QUOTE=Pubb69;3506710]It all comes down to the politicians and who they can appease the most. They love to pick the low hanging fruit and ignore the problems that require real work.[/QUOTE]
Yep low hanging fruit indeed! If all the tax dollars they give the Massage Board employees and their legal team and we know what lawyers charge were to go to the proper folks that need it I wouldn't be so pissed off. I mean we aren't talking about life and death issuing massage license to someone that can't speak perfect English. Yes I agree if the person can't speak English definitely ask them to return when they are ready. A very small staff could handle this IF they didn't create such a mess issuing license. Many states handle ALL this online. But they got to have that choke hold on these Asians. Add up all the salaries, benefits package for each employee, legal counsel fee not cheap, real expensive office space in Raleigh, long term pensions for each employee.. this is a chunk of tax payer revenue. This wasted tax money needs to be going to our Police Officers paying for their protective vest or body cams (some police gear they use comes from their own pocket) pay for some of our firemen's equipment. And how about helping these teachers that are buying school supplies from their pay check. How about hiring another person or two at the VA hospitals check in lobby to get these vets out of the lobby waiting for hours these VETS deserve the same priority that they gave us for their service. The budget being wasted at the Massage Board is a shame on our end and a shame the way the Asians are being treated and other AMERICAN's are missing out on a piece of the tax pie. As you can tell I'm not pro Massage Board LOL. But I always believed if tax dollars go in the "right place" many problems have a way of correcting themselves. But having the right minds making those decisions is the dilemma isn't it? Everyone has the thought process "if everyone would just agree with me they would all be right".

[QUOTE=JohnHandCock;3506795]The reason nail salons and legitimate massage therapist never get complained on is they don't offer HE or sexual services. A legitimate MT goes to school for months then must pass the schools final testing. Then they have to pass a state test in order to get state certification to perform their craft. Each state has different qualifications and what's good in wv might be more or less than required in NC. Fif less they would need to take additional classes and pass the nc 6 state test. If its more they just take a test. To be legal they need that state certification where they are working. The first offender is the state for not following the law then the second is the business owner for hiring anyone who doesn't have that e state license. Now that's how a legitimate MT works We all know that AMPs is about the sexual service and the half ass massage is secondary. An outstanding legitimate massage runs 50 dollars and up an hour in wv. What I find entertaining is the number of guys who pay good money at these joints and complain about the half assed massage.

Guess my point is I see professionals for my needs. If I want a great massage I see a certified MT. If I want sex I find that elsewhere.[/QUOTE]The majority of so called legitimate therapists I have seen are mostly fluff and bluff artists. So many schools that should not even be teaching it are turning out students that simply have no idea how to give a good massage. My go to massage place will always be Asian, their work effort is far beyond what an American women is willing to do.