"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[QUOTE=Mike7794;2672440] So I'm thinking I could use a route typical of flakes. I could use the ole not contact her until after and say "my phone died". Or just a conventional "I have a meeting I have to make" and not reschedule. Frankly she is not worth the integrity of me telling her we are not a match and move on.[/QUOTE]See, I don't think this is helpful. Many of these girls really don't know any better, and even if they do, we have an obligation to try to teach them a more proper way to behave. Treating them poorly or blowing them off merely reinforces that it is acceptable behavior, and it is not. I prefer to take my "daddy" title seriously here. By all means cut them off and don't put up with the BS, but I think it is incumbent on all of us to do so in a mature, polite, and upfront way.

[QUOTE=GuyInTheCorner;2672479]See, I don't think this is helpful. Many of these girls really don't know any better, and even if they do, we have an obligation to try to teach them a more proper way to behave. Treating them poorly or blowing them off merely reinforces that it is acceptable behavior, and it is not. I prefer to take my "daddy" title seriously here. By all means cut them off and don't put up with the BS, but I think it is incumbent on all of us to do so in a mature, polite, and upfront way.[/QUOTE]You know what? You're absolutely right. 90% of the time I operate in the manner that you explained. I hit moments of lack of patience for ignorance. Call it cranky. I blame on getting older. In fact I think I hit those moments, because I do give a long leash to these girls knowing their immaturity. I probably give a longer leash than many would all for the sake of getting prime young pussy. It catches up with me.

[QUOTE=GuyInTheCorner;2672479]Many of these girls really don't know any better, and even if they do, we have an obligation to try to teach them a more proper way to behave. [/QUOTE]Added bonus to instant conversation starter to explore how to punish the naughty girl for her bad behavior!

One flaked on me but I gave her a second chance and made sure she was oh so grateful.

This just occurred to me. I got into the bowl last February or so and initially it was this amazing new world of opportunity, I had my 'game' that I used as my opening message which I always carefully crafted towards each girl. Etc. I always wanted to meet (first meet) at a hotel and it always worked. I didn't push sex at all. But mainly just hangout and such. Always worked and always got sex on the first meet.

Over time I started putting less and less effort into it, I even (after reading about it here) created another account, a mercenary account with minimal profile info. I also killed my very original account and created a new primary account. I began trying different tactics through each account. Often on the same girl.

A few months of this, playing in the Harrisonburg. Cville - RVA areas I discovered that (in my humble opinion and exploration) that most girls get it:

My primary profile is nice and cool, normal. Still wants to meet and hangout at a hotel. But very unassuming and not pushy at all. No M&G anywhere else. Always a hotel. But just to hangout and get to know each other.

My mercenary profile always messages something like this " Hi there! Lovely profile. I'm in town on business this week and would love to meet up for some playtime. Want to come by my hotel for a few hours? I can be very generous if inspired". OR even better "Hi there! Nice profile and pics! I'm in town and business and don't have much time. Would you be interested in meeting up for some car play?. Maybe a quick 20 minutes or so?

What I have found is that both approaches get me the same results. It seems if a girl is on here and knows she is going to fuck a guy. She will respond to either approach the same: yes!

Don't get me wrong. There are plenty of girls that fall into all the normal categories of GPS or flakes. Etc. And some girls that I know are looking for 'real' connections and mentorship. Etc. Etc. I think some of this girls may want mentorship, but at the end of the day will still fuck you in your car for $100.

Statistical rules still apply, and the above is only an observation from my personal experience. I'm sure the results vary wildly among all of us and our approaches.

Just thought I would share.

[QUOTE=FScott;2672097]...
That said, I do have a fake version of my "signature" that doesn't look a thing like my real signature which I use when signing the check-in paperwork, just in case it all hits the fan. As I said a long time ago, if you are married and in the Bowl, you need to maintain an ironclad Secret Identity. You are for all intents and purposes a double agent under deep, deep cover.
...[/QUOTE]One hotel insisted that the name in photo I'd match the name on the reservation. Some of them make a copy of the I'd.

[QUOTE=PghGuy2005;2672991]One hotel insisted that the name in photo I'd match the name on the reservation. Some of them make a copy of the I'd.[/QUOTE]Yeah, there's no way around that one. I book online with my real name and then show them my driver's license. I don't recall ever having anyone do more than glance at the names to make sure they match. And of course I pay cash. As has been said many times here, any divorce lawyer worth his salt would make short work of these little subterfuges, but if things come to that, you're screwed anyway. The goal is to be as under the radar as possible, but a microscope is another thing entirely. No one can be totally invisible unless you get a fake ID. Anyone have experience with that?

I have a SO, and so based on that logic, my Karma would be in the toilet the day I started playing in the bowl.

If I break plans or reschedule, I generally give plenty of notice for the date to find other plans. My definition of a flake is when someone pulls a last minute bailout without warning.

What annoyed me about the situation was that not only did she previously agree to a FC trip after a dinner date, but she confirmed during dinner, which caused me to book the hotel and then changed her mind after 10 minutes.

[QUOTE=CephlapodLove;2669405]A bird in the hand, is worth two in the Bush???

But hey who was flaky to start with, canceling a date with one girl to chase another? Maybe Karma caught up with ya?

I'm just sayin'.[/QUOTE]

Guys.

Sorry if this was answered before. I am trying to get back and was wondering if SA membership can be purchased using VISA gift card? Don't remember it. If SA allows VISA prepaid card.

KG.

I prefer the vanilla visa from Walmart. Low fee, no maintenance fees. Load once with $500 (max amount) and total fee is 1% (4. 95 activation).

[QUOTE=KingGreg;2673439]Guys.

Sorry if this was answered before. I am trying to get back and was wondering if SA membership can be purchased using VISA gift card? Don't remember it. If SA allows VISA prepaid card.

KG.[/QUOTE]

I got suckered into advancing the sugar for 2 future meetings to a nando type SB during the first meet and trip to FC. The next day she wanted more to pay her rent at which point I blocked her #.

Should I contact her and ask for the 2 meets? Or is it a lost cause.

[QUOTE=PghGuy2005;2673601]I got suckered into advancing the sugar for 2 future meetings to a nando type SB during the first meet and trip to FC. The next day she wanted more to pay her rent at which point I blocked her #.

Should I contact her and ask for the 2 meets? Or is it a lost cause.[/QUOTE]That sounds like a costly lesson. If you contact her, you'll just sound whiny. She'll probably respond by trying to squeeze more from you. You could wait till she contacts you, and make it clear that after she comes good with her part of the deal, there's more money to be had, but till then, terribly sorry. No honey, no money.

Or, failing that, you could just post a link to her, letting the rest of us know who to avoid. If she is scamming, there's plenty of others she's probably rinsing too! If you post a link, and she starts getting less and less takings, maybe she'll reform. Maybe.

Otoh, there's plenty of fish in the sea.

[QUOTE=PghGuy2005;2673601]I got suckered into advancing the sugar for 2 future meetings to a nando type SB during the first meet and trip to FC. The next day she wanted more to pay her rent at which point I blocked her #.

Should I contact her and ask for the 2 meets? Or is it a lost cause.[/QUOTE]I have done it twice, both times with girls I had been seeing a while, one made good and the other did not, thought to be fair she offered a "payback session" at one point and I decided to let it ride for a while because she needed the money. Eventually we stopped seeing each other because we just got too busy and I never got paid back, but I wasn't too upset. Wouldn't do it on a brand new girl, and have told several that.

[QUOTE=PghGuy2005;2673601]I got suckered into advancing the sugar for 2 future meetings to a nando type SB during the first meet and trip to FC. The next day she wanted more to pay her rent at which point I blocked her #.
Should I contact her and ask for the 2 meets? Or is it a lost cause.[/QUOTE]

I'm 100% on advances being lost. Give her one chance to provide service for the prepayment. If she doesn't respond or says no tell her that you are going to report her -and put her info up here and report her to SA. Then move on. Use it as a learning experience not to EVER advance one $ again. They look so angelic but that pussy is singing her siren song to draw you in to the Sugar dance-at your expense.

[QUOTE=PghGuy2005;2673601]I got suckered into advancing the sugar for 2 future meetings to a nando type SB during the first meet and trip to FC. The next day she wanted more to pay her rent at which point I blocked her #.

Should I contact her and ask for the 2 meets? Or is it a lost cause.[/QUOTE]I'm 100% on advances being lost. Give her one chance to provide service for the prepayment. If she doesn't respond or says no tell her that you are going to report her -and put her info up here and report her to SA. Then move on. Use it as a learning experience not to EVER advance one $ again. They look so angelic and that pussy is singing her siren song to draw you in to the Sugar dance-at your expense.

I'm a carrot kind of guy. Why block her? You already shelled out the money. Unless you think she will rob or extort you, then why not use incentives to get her to make good.

Unless you're problem is not having enough time to see all the sbs and pots you have lined up, then I would provide future incentives that would force her to make good on her promise. She went to the FC with you once, and assuming you can convince her that she will get an additional allowance once she makes good on her promise, then you should be good. After she makes good on her promise, you can decide if you want to follow through with any additional incentives.

He who holds the gold, makes the rules.

[QUOTE=PghGuy2005;2673601]I got suckered into advancing the sugar for 2 future meetings to a nando type SB during the first meet and trip to FC. The next day she wanted more to pay her rent at which point I blocked her #.

Should I contact her and ask for the 2 meets? Or is it a lost cause.[/QUOTE]

Thanks every one here to contribute to such an interesting topic.

I started to learn from you guys now by reading the previous messages. And just curious when a POT asked you how much can you give her per date or monthly allowance before the first meet. What do you tell her? I am afraid the number too low will piss her off and never have ameeting st up.

But too high was also a no no for me. What does she looks like and how we click. So really a dilemma. Just see what you guys thinking.

I rarely if ever discuss allowance via message or prior to the meet. Your expectation amount let's her know what you can provide generally. Getting her to the meet is an important part of breaking the ice.

I've found that once there, you have a much better shot at getting to the FC, at a reasonable allowance.

[QUOTE=LaoMai;2674229]Thanks every one here to contribute to such an interesting topic.

I started to learn from you guys now by reading the previous messages. And just curious when a POT asked you how much can you give her per date or monthly allowance before the first meet. What do you tell her? I am afraid the number too low will piss her off and never have ameeting st up.

But too high was also a no no for me. What does she looks like and how we click. So really a dilemma. Just see what you guys thinking.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=IluvSmellyFish;2674238]I rarely if ever discuss allowance via message or prior to the meet. Your expectation amount let's her know what you can provide generally. Getting her to the meet is an important part of breaking the ice.

I've found that once there, you have a much better shot at getting to the FC, at a reasonable allowance.[/QUOTE]Thanks a lot with the suggestion. I will try it next time. But what are a general range for a 19-25 yo hotties? Is 200/ date reasonable?

[QUOTE=LaoMai;2674376]Thanks a lot with the suggestion. I will try it next time. But what are a general range for a 19-25 yo hotties? Is 200/ date reasonable?[/QUOTE]Reasonable is in the eyes of the beholder. $150 to 250 / visit is a fair range in central Va. Girls are looking for a lot more in some urban areas. I've never had any problem staying busy, you just can't fall in love with the hottie with GPS -let them go. OF course it all depends on your age, appearance, fitness, etc. The girls will go lower if you have redeeming qualities.

FM is on point. The answer is that it depends. I've gone to the FC for free with a hot young Asian after the m&g, bareback, access to all holes, and then a bbbjnqns to finish the job. I've m&ged with ladies who used pictures from 10 years and 20 lbs ago who expected an allowance as a part of the m&g.

These are of course extreme outliers, but region has a huge impact on expectations. NYC and DC pots often want double the amount you're proposing if they're young and hot. Based on HWGs former posts, the ladies on the west coast expected a quarter of what some of the hot nyc and dc pots are looking for.

Check out a local board on your region for expectations that are in line with where you are. Alternatively, if your area doesn't have a local board, let folks on this thread know where you play and I'm sure you'll get some advice.

Lastly, timing also plays a role in expectations. I've found that the start of a new semester and the holidays often drives up an imbalance in the SDs favor. Lots of young ladies need allowance for gifts, school, books, etc during these times, which means many more are looking for a SD. Simple economic rules of supply and demand apply to the sugar bowl as well.

[QUOTE=FredMoore;2674480]Reasonable is in the eyes of the beholder. $150 to 250 / visit is a fair range in central Va. Girls are looking for a lot more in some urban areas. I've never had any problem staying busy, you just can't fall in love with the hottie with GPS -let them go. OF course it all depends on your age, appearance, fitness, etc. The girls will go lower if you have redeeming qualities.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=IluvSmellyFish;2673133]I have a SO, and so based on that logic, my Karma would be in the toilet the day I started playing in the bowl.

If I break plans or reschedule, I generally give plenty of notice for the date to find other plans. My definition of a flake is when someone pulls a last minute bailout without warning.

What annoyed me about the situation was that not only did she previously agree to a FC trip after a dinner date, but she confirmed during dinner, which caused me to book the hotel and then changed her mind after 10 minutes.[/QUOTE]Now that would piss me off.

[QUOTE=IluvSmellyFish;2674490]FM is on point. The answer is that it depends. I've gone to the FC for free with a hot young Asian after the m&g, bareback, access to all holes, and then a bbbjnqns to finish the job. I've m&ged with ladies who used pictures from 10 years and 20 lbs ago who expected an allowance as a part of the m&g.

These are of course extreme outliers, but region has a huge impact on expectations. NYC and DC pots often want double the amount you're proposing if they're young and hot. Based on HWGs former posts, the ladies on the west coast expected a quarter of what some of the hot nyc and dc pots are looking for.

Check out a local board on your region for expectations that are in line with where you are. Alternatively, if your area doesn't have a local board, let folks on this thread know where you play and I'm sure you'll get some advice.

Lastly, timing also plays a role in expectations. I've found that the start of a new semester and the holidays often drives up an imbalance in the SDs favor. Lots of young ladies need allowance for gifts, school, books, etc during these times, which means many more are looking for a SD. Simple economic rules of supply and demand apply to the sugar bowl as well.[/QUOTE]I try to stay in the 150 range and don't have a problem in RVA. The SBs that quote a lot more receive an education from me about supply and demand. As I have said before we need to avoid contributing to kitty inflation. The Fed hasn't raised interest rates so we shouldn't either. The funny thing is that many of them don't know what GPS means. It is always fun to hit 'send' when I tell them what it means.

Hey guys. Been posting a couple of times a year for a good number of years on other threads here but just started using SA this past summer and it has been great. I read this thread a lot and always wondered why you guys were so protective of your experiences with specific women. I'm in the Richmond area and I've met in the FC with 6 - 8 women (most of them more than once) over the last 5 months and laid out between $. 50 - $$$ per date. I mostly focus on young college girls. I'm a 1-2 dates a month guy, so paying a little more for young, beautiful SBs is not an issue for me. It's about quality not quantity. Sorry if I've inflated the rates for some of you guys, but what can I say except, get over it. My experience is that although many SBs say they don't want a "pay for play" arrangement, most seem okay With it after the M&G. Some might call these women "pros" or UTR, but I think that is misguided. I know the real identities of all the girls I've met and most are enrolled and attending a local college and need or want the extra money. They are not living in hotels trying to get their next fix. They don't have kids they are trying to support. They are real co-eds going to classes during the day and out with friends at night. Many are artistic / liberal in nature (which means some tats and piercings) but they are beautiful 18 - 23 year old women. I'v have seen many women from BP and UTR Craigslist women and I can tell you, there is a huge difference. I have grown tired of the BS, attitude, setting, looks and situations of many of the women who are usual suspects on BP. SA has provided access to amazing, smart, beautiful young women who I have really enjoyed spending time with.

Over the next several days I will provide some reviews of the girls I have seen in the FC and others I have interacted with. Since I see most of them on a short term basis (I like variety) and I don't seek "exclusive" relationships, I don't mind passing on some info regarding my experiences with them. If I review a girl that you have also met or are interested in, and you want additional info, hit me up. I will respond if I can. I'm not a "senior" member, so if I don't respond to you it will not be because you are not a "senior". It will be all about the quality of your previous posts, how I'm feeling that particular day and how much time I have. I've seen a lot of women over the last 7-8 years in the RVA area and just because I don't post here enough to gain "status" doesn't mean that I don't have quality info to share. But I'm not going to give info to just anybody.

I'm not about outing these women on this board or doing anything that would be a negative for them. I will review them based on their usernames. But frankly, the biggest negative about SA is that it takes a ton of time. There are a lot of pros, "no intimacy" girls and "I just thought I would try this out" girls that you must wade through in order to find the girls who are serious. A little heads up would benefit all of us. And save us wasted time and money going to M&Gs that aren't going anywhere in the end.

Stark.

Is it possible to stay anonymous to the host?

[QUOTE=PghGuy2005;2673601]I got suckered into advancing the sugar for 2 future meetings to a nando type SB during the first meet and trip to FC. The next day she wanted more to pay her rent at which point I blocked her #.

Should I contact her and ask for the 2 meets? Or is it a lost cause.[/QUOTE]I wouldn't ask for 2 meets up front. I suppose just confirming the next meet would be enough. I've advanced before, but it really depends on chemistry and if I get the sense that the SB likes me. If you did get stiffed just charge it to the game.

I stay away from pay per date type of arrangements and stick to girls looking more for GFE / rich boyfriend type of relationship. I find your money stretched longer in those type of situations.

Stark,

There are so many girls for every guy in most areas that whatever you pay won't have any effect on prices. You do run the risk that the girls will work out that you can be milked, but if it doesn't worry you, no problem.

It is the stories about big spenders who are bait that bring girls to the sugar websites, but once there, most girls will accept a switch to lower "benefits".

Had a visit scheduled with my SB today. I confirmed the time and day on Saturday and than again at noon today. Set up meeting for 5:00 pm. Took my cialis at 4 pm and at 430 sB texts she doesn't think she can make it at 5 but maybe 7. I'm like ok. I can deal with that. Cancels at 7 pm. Apologizes and sends me nude pics but I'm out the hotel and the cost of the cialis. Very frustrating. She is a 23 year old college grad who lets me do whatever I want to her, but pretty flighty. May have to start looking for a new one.

Guys, are there rules you set for the SB when you are drafting the arrangement before the FC? If yes, what are they? How you bring your message through to them?

[QUOTE=LaoMai;2679235]Guys, are there rules you set for the SB when you are drafting the arrangement before the FC? If yes, what are they? How you bring your message through to them?[/QUOTE]Thats what the M&G is for, to discuss what each expects.

Just one big one. Sugar for sugar. The sugar flows when the panties hit the floor.

Interesting discussion on advances. Agree with Hoya. It depends on chemistry and the SB. I had a visit scheduled with SB 25 and had to cancel. Turned out she was going on vacation and needed the $$. She had told me about vacation previously. I offered the advance and met her at a quick stop for the exchange. Heard from her as soon as she returned and received a stellar performance. But have been burned as well so it goes both ways.

[QUOTE=LaoMai;2679235]Guys, are there rules you set for the SB when you are drafting the arrangement before the FC? If yes, what are they? How you bring your message through to them?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=PghGuy2005;2678578]Is it possible to stay anonymous to the host?[/QUOTE]Often you are dealing wiht the owners, not detached hotel employees.

Also, they can review you as a guest, and if you leave signs of activities, they will redflag you and others won't rent to you.

[QUOTE=BeardedMan67;2679150]Had a visit scheduled with my SB today. I confirmed the time and day on Saturday and than again at noon today. Set up meeting for 5:00 pm. Took my cialis at 4 pm and at 430 sB texts she doesn't think she can make it at 5 but maybe 7. I'm like ok. I can deal with that. Cancels at 7 pm. Apologizes and sends me nude pics but I'm out the hotel and the cost of the cialis. Very frustrating. She is a 23 year old college grad who lets me do whatever I want to her, but pretty flighty. May have to start looking for a new one.[/QUOTE]Use the [URL]hotels.com[/URL] app and book when she is in front of you.

Always good to have a back up gal you see occassionally to promote to a regular.

[QUOTE=RubberyMan;2678947]Stark,

There are so many girls for every guy in most areas that whatever you pay won't have any effect on prices. You do run the risk that the girls will work out that you can be milked, but if it doesn't worry you, no problem.

It is the stories about big spenders who are bait that bring girls to the sugar websites, but once there, most girls will accept a switch to lower "benefits".[/QUOTE]Rub. I agree but if you read the threads on this board you see guys constantly begging everyone to negotiate down to a certain range so that all the SBs stay in their price range. Sorry, but I'm not working with your interest in mind. In RVA, the halfway decent BP girls get $ - $. 50 for half an hour. The top end agency girls and independents get $$. 50 - $$ 50 for an hour and won't do a half. So for a couple of hours with a girl who is 20 or younger, hot, smart, clean, GFE and fun to be with (not just bone) it seems to me that $$ - $$$ is a pretty good deal. I wouldn't pay more than that, and I have negotiated with a couple of them, but hard-core negotiating up front just seems like a negative to me. If you want to drive a Mercedes you pay for a Mercedes. Some guys have mentioned starting at a lower price and then moving up but I find that it is much easier to move the sugar down after the first FC encounter. At that point, many of the risks and unknowns have been removed. An SB who knows that you are not a creep, not a freak and just a regular guy that they don't mind spending time with is much more willing to be flexible with their sugar requirements.

So as promised, I'm going to share some info from my SA experiences in the RVA area. First up is "MrsLilRed". She is mid 20's, a natural red-head, cuter than her pictures and divorced. Works part time and goes to school part time. We met back in early summer. She responded quickly and was willing to set up M&G right away. She is still active on SA as of a couple of weeks ago. I'm pretty sure she has a kid, but does not have custody. Met her only once, M&G for lunch and then straight to the FC a little later. As far as performance, she is GFE, DFK, BBBJ, DATY and CFS. She had great breasts and really seemed to enjoy the session. She is larger around the mid-section but not much true baby damage. All in all you can tell she was smoking hot before the kid. Was willing to work on a date by date basis. She was fun, good to talk to, relaxed and not at all a flake. We spent about two hours together. We've talked multiple times since then but have not met again. Mostly by my choice. I've had good luck on SA and enjoy the hunt and there were bigger fish to fry. I would recommend her to anyone based on my experiences. I know her real identity and have social media info and additional background info. Not promising that I will share though. My advice. If you like what you see, go for it. Sugar was $. 60 for the date plus lunch.

Stark.

[QUOTE=Starkey2008;2679550]Rub. I agree but if you read the threads on this board you see guys constantly begging everyone to negotiate down to a certain range so that all the SBs stay in their price range. Sorry, but I'm not working with your interest in mind. In RVA, the halfway decent BP girls get $ - $. 50 for half an hour. The top end agency girls and independents get $$. 50 - $$ 50 for an hour and won't do a half. So for a couple of hours with a girl who is 20 or younger, hot, smart, clean, GFE and fun to be with (not just bone) it seems to me that $$ - $$$ is a pretty good deal. I wouldn't pay more than that, and I have negotiated with a couple of them, but hard-core negotiating up front just seems like a negative to me. If you want to drive a Mercedes you pay for a Mercedes. Some guys have mentioned starting at a lower price and then moving up but I find that it is much easier to move the sugar down after the first FC encounter. At that point, many of the risks and unknowns have been removed. An SB who knows that you are not a creep, not a freak and just a regular guy that they don't mind spending time with is much more willing to be flexible with their sugar requirements.[/QUOTE]First of all, what you do with your own money is your business. You can feed it to a furnace for fun if that's what floats your boat.

While it is true that if you want to drive a better car then you generally have to pay more, that is often not the case in p4 p, and definitely not the case in the sugar bowl as anyone who has been doing it for any time will agree. In fact, some of the best performances can come at lower prices, while poor performance can come from higher prices. That is, while you do get a better car for more $, it is often the case that you get worse performance for more $ in p4 p and the bowl. This is because that coed who needs to make rent tomorrow, or else, is a lot more motivated than someone who just needs an extra pair of designer shoes. Unless you think that someone wanting another luxury item is somehow going to be more motivated than someone needing rent in order to keep a roof over the head.

Of course, by all means, if you absolutely have to have a particular woman, and no other will do, then pretty obviously you pay what she asks, and that's a bargain for you. Great. But most likely, the next guy she negotiates with will laugh in disbelief and she will too, and give just as good a performance for him at a fraction of the cost.

Finally, I do agree that guys here seem more worried than they should about some guys "overpaying". Personally, I think it is the stories of guys overpaying that brings most girls to the site, and the stories of some chumps being circulated amongst them is a good thing. The sugar bowl is like a lottery for them. In a lottery, most get nothing, quite a few get small returns, a couple do well and one in a million hit the jackpot. In the bowl, most don't even get an inquiry, most have to be happy with $- inly a very few hit the jackpot. But, here's the important point, just like in a lottery, it is the hope of winning the big one that keeps them trying, and the noise from the occasional win keeps them hanging in there.

So, I rather say thanks to those guys who pay more than they need to. It is their sacrifice that keeps women flocking here.

[QUOTE=PghGuy2005;2678578]Is it possible to stay anonymous to the host?[/QUOTE]I don't think you want Airbnb for this. The whole system is really geared toward the very opposite of anonymity, giving the property owner peace of mind that there is some accountability to the folks they rent to and providing a technological twist on traditional reference checks. It kind of makes sense if you think about it -- how many property owners want random people with no accountability/traceability staying in their homes?

The other challenge is that in a lot of cities, residentially zoned rentals are only allowed if someone lives in the residence at the same time. So, it would be a problem when you're banging an SB and she's screaming "Yeah! Fuck me like that!" At the top of her lungs: something that's does happen and is perfectly acceptable, for reasons I can't fully explain, in a hotel room but not so much in someone's house that can review you as a guest online.

Hotels really are your best bet for anonymity, because of their privacy policies for handling guests. Yes you have to let THEM know who you are but they are trained as professionals never to reveal to others (except maybe to LEO with a warrant) anything about you. Someone mentioned something about showing the guests name on the TV -- I have not seen this done myself so I hope that's not an emerging trend. If it is just keep her away from the TV.

One thing you could potentially try if you're the adventurous type -- sign up for Airbnb and look for a single guy that looks cool and is maybe just renting a room in a cheap apartment, then tell him straight up privately that you're kind of a player and need a discrete place to bring your trophies. You never know, you might find something workable here out of sheer camaraderie, especially if he needs the money and/or isn't in his place much (i.e. is trying to sublet it). This of course does not guarantee he would never tell any of your girls who you are if they come knocking. He might do anything to get in their pants when you're not around. That's the real risk of AirBnB I think.

[QUOTE=RubberyMan;2680161]First of all, what you do with your own money is your business. You can feed it to a furnace for fun if that's what floats your boat.

While it is true that if you want to drive a better car then you generally have to pay more, that is often not the case in p4 p, and definitely not the case in the sugar bowl as anyone who has been doing it for any time will agree. In fact, some of the best performances can come at lower prices, while poor performance can come from higher prices. That is, while you do get a better car for more $, it is often the case that you get worse performance for more $ in p4 p and the bowl. This is because that coed who needs to make rent tomorrow, or else, is a lot more motivated than someone who just needs an extra pair of designer shoes. Unless you think that someone wanting another luxury item is somehow going to be more motivated than someone needing rent in order to keep a roof over the head.

Of course, by all means, if you absolutely have to have a particular woman, and no other will do, then pretty obviously you pay what she asks, and that's a bargain for you. Great. But most likely, the next guy she negotiates with will laugh in disbelief and she will too, and give just as good a performance for him at a fraction of the cost.

Finally, I do agree that guys here seem more worried than they should about some guys "overpaying". Personally, I think it is the stories of guys overpaying that brings most girls to the site, and the stories of some chumps being circulated amongst them is a good thing. The sugar bowl is like a lottery for them. In a lottery, most get nothing, quite a few get small returns, a couple do well and one in a million hit the jackpot. In the bowl, most don't even get an inquiry, most have to be happy with $- inly a very few hit the jackpot. But, here's the important point, just like in a lottery, it is the hope of winning the big one that keeps them trying, and the noise from the occasional win keeps them hanging in there.

So, I rather say thanks to those guys who pay more than they need to. It is their sacrifice that keeps women flocking here.[/QUOTE]Well said.

[QUOTE=RubberyMan;2680161]First of all, what you do with your own money is your business. You can feed it to a furnace for fun if that's what floats your boat.

So, I rather say thanks to those guys who pay more than they need to. It is their sacrifice that keeps women flocking here.[/QUOTE]Amen! Two points:

1) Thanks to all contributors -and specifically Starkey today, for sharing your experiences.

2) Money talks and is easy as a differentiator among men.

If an SD has a boat load of Money and has no problem throwing it around, he will do so--and will get most women on the board that he wants--but he can't fuck them all -at least at one time. Therefore when hottie ABC is getting paid $$$ to see Daddy Bux, the rest of us have dozens of girls who are out there needing some love who are not busy enough. Even though I do not want the BP / CL girl who is banging 10 guys / day, a lot of them are also on SA pretending to be an SB, and that's what we inadvertently get anyway. Nothing wrong with Hos, but if you want a low volume girl high dollar allowances are not going to guarantee that. That's why Hos are on SA -to get bigger paydays at a lower risk of capture.

The other thing about high allowances. Some SDs are not attractive or appealing to the girls, and must pay more to get in the game. And some girls will not sell themselves for a price below a magic number that justifies their behavior for them.

In the end I think most of us have a budget to stick to, and like to get a deal that allows us to see the girls we want to see.

Heck! At least it will get me into the Guiness Book of World Records. Apparently her car is in her mother's name and she had stopped making the payments. I was about to "get in" when a car alarm goes off and my babe runs to the window and sees that her car is being towed!

She went out and I saw her on the phone but was not successful in keeping her car. You can imagine how it must have been when she came back in anyway I said "Let's finish what we started and then I will take you home" and she finished me off with her mouth and hands no CIM.

I thought the parent-child relationship could be relied upon I. E. Parents will not shaft their own but after this (mother did not care to tell her about the car payments) I have to conclude that we are all truly on our own!

According to the SB she deposited the requisite funds in her parents bank account but how did the car dealer know where the car was? Is my car being tracked too! Even though it is paid for? I wonder how she is going to explain the place where the car was repoed!

Lesson for me is stay away from the young <30 ones who are willing to meet for 200 as they are nando since SBs in that age group in Raleigh-Durham expect 500.

You cannot buy a car on credit from a used car dealer without a tracker being installed, and it will tell not only where the car is, but it gives and history every 20 minutes of the cars life. On some they install several. Trackers are cheap, $100, and it protects the collateral. If you don't go demand the tracker be removed when the car is paid off, it will be trackable until the tracker dies. I suspect that even new car loans come with a tracker on everyone that is not a high 700 beacon score financing through a credit union or bank.

I'm impressed you got her to finish anything after that.