General Reports

[QUOTE=IAmTheManMi;6826124]I recently made my way back into the hobby and had my regulars but now a lot of places I look at and when contacting the ladies seems like I keep running into the same song and dance and asking for deposits. Is this seriously a thing now LOL I have not given any deposits nor do I intend on it because I remember a lot of people getting scammed.

What do you guys think is a lot of people here doing this deposit thing? I am sure if you know the person or have an on going thing I get that but never seeing the person no reviews and wanting deposits that's crazy.[/QUOTE]You are correct. No deposits. Not even for regulars. End of story.

I point and laugh at every "ripoff" report where a lady went silent after some moron sent her a deposit.

[QUOTE=EatonBeaver;6826248]You are correct. No deposits. Not even for regulars. End of story.

I point and laugh at every "ripoff" report where a lady went silent after some moron sent her a deposit.[/QUOTE]Its just super funny the more I am contacting new girls they all have the same story and I can almost bet my life they would disappear once they get the deposit. I am sure there maybe 1 or 2 that would be real but it just blows my mind on how many people actually get ripped off and continue to do it.

I mean what sites have most of us hobbyist have luck on because so far I have not found a good site other than Eros for the most part.

[QUOTE=EatonBeaver;6826248]You are correct. No deposits. Not even for regulars. End of story.

I point and laugh at every "ripoff" report where a lady went silent after some moron sent her a deposit.[/QUOTE]+1.

This is not negotiable. Never pay in advance. Not even to trusted regulars. I don't laugh at mongers who make this mistake, because I had to learn the hard way too, although was a stripper, not an escort. But the rule applies for any service transaction. If you find this stipulation in an ad, especially with a request for e-payment, expect the ad is fake and you are sending your hard-earned wages to a scammer.

Remember, their livelihood depends upon their skill at separating you from your money. Your job is to ensure you receive satisfactory services before you pay a dime.

[QUOTE=WinterKnight;6827786]+1.

This is not negotiable. Never pay in advance. Not even to trusted regulars. I don't laugh at mongers who make this mistake, because I had to learn the hard way too, although was a stripper, not an escort. But the rule applies for any service transaction. If you find this stipulation in an ad, especially with a request for e-payment, expect the ad is fake and you are sending your hard-earned wages to a scammer.

Remember, their livelihood depends upon their skill at separating you from your money. Your job is to ensure you receive satisfactory services before you pay a dime.[/QUOTE]Agreed! But just curious with your last question on what people are doing now. You said pay after you receive satisfactory service, I have always left the donation when I walk in and verify its the same provider I don't think I have waited until the end of my apt with the exception of regulars that I have seen many many times.

How do all of you proceed with this, am I wrong in leaving it up front I would assume they need payment up front when you walk in because they don't want to get ripped off as well. LMAO its not like they can take back what they did with you or send you to collections if you don't pay LOL.

[QUOTE=IAmTheManMi;6828134]Agreed! But just curious with your last question on what people are doing now. You said pay after you receive satisfactory service, I have always left the donation when I walk in and verify its the same provider I don't think I have waited until the end of my apt with the exception of regulars that I have seen many many times.

How do all of you proceed with this, am I wrong in leaving it up front I would assume they need payment up front when you walk in because they don't want to get ripped off as well. LMAO its not like they can take back what they did with you or send you to collections if you don't pay LOL.[/QUOTE]If I'm seeing a lady for the first time, I'll put the donation on a table or dresser before disrobing. I pay on the way out on repeat visits. I've only had to pickup the donation once when a lady sent me to the store for covers. She wanted me to leave the donation. But, I just snapped it up anyway. I returned and had a pretty good session even though she was high as hell. Funny thing that she wasn't messed up and went raw on repeat visits.

[QUOTE=IAmTheManMi;6828134]Agreed! But just curious with your last question on what people are doing now. You said pay after you receive satisfactory service, I have always left the donation when I walk in and verify its the same provider I don't think I have waited until the end of my apt with the exception of regulars that I have seen many many times.

How do all of you proceed with this, am I wrong in leaving it up front I would assume they need payment up front when you walk in because they don't want to get ripped off as well. LMAO its not like they can take back what they did with you or send you to collections if you don't pay LOL.[/QUOTE]I can understand that one might be require to pay in advance for massage. I have done massage only once, in a private home, and she asked for payment in full before we started. I broke my own rule and paid in advance because I felt she would not refuse service, and because I felt I could afford to lose 120 just to learn the truth. She told me that she required payment in advance since she had been stiffed by two different clients, one who said his money was in his car and he took off, and the other grabbed up his money from the table as he ran out. She knew of another masseuse who would toss the payment down the laundry chute, just to avoid that scenario.

But I never pay in advance for strippers, because there is too much latitude for them to shortchange you on service. Same with escorts, although in my case, I am seeing women in their own homes, not in a hotel.

I have given deposits on a couple of occasions to higher-end girls who were well reviewed and had substantial internet presence. It worked out fine. They probably had more to lose than I did under those circumstances. Still, I would only do it in exceptional cases.

I don't blame all girls for wanting deposits. You don't have to read many reviews on this site before encountering one that says something like, "So, I went to the location given but I saw a cop drive by, so I left. " On the other hand, of course, are the ones that say, "I drove to the location and called and. . . Crickets. " It's just a question of who has the leverage. I tend to be drawn to the women who are appealing enough and appear sufficiently genuine that I would at least consider a deposit.

[QUOTE=LoVecchio;6831257]I have given deposits on a couple of occasions to higher-end girls who were well reviewed and had substantial internet presence. It worked out fine. They probably had more to lose than I did under those circumstances. Still, I would only do it in exceptional cases.

I don't blame all girls for wanting deposits. You don't have to read many reviews on this site before encountering one that says something like, "So, I went to the location given but I saw a cop drive by, so I left. " On the other hand, of course, are the ones that say, "I drove to the location and called and. . . Crickets. " It's just a question of who has the leverage. I tend to be drawn to the women who are appealing enough and appear sufficiently genuine that I would at least consider a deposit.[/QUOTE]I don't blame providers for wanting deposits either; many of them have been stiffed on payment before. Your last sentence is key to your approach: Women who are genuine are those who can be trusted, and I have to admit that I do break my own rule with women I trust. But I have known these women for a long time, and have seen them regularly throughout; our relationships are more FWB than SW / client. They do me favors, and I "help with the bills". But it takes many repeat visits before that level of comfort and trust is achieved.

[URL]https://youtu.be/R7iq0JzWsZk?si=iiDoKI-0i9-SbOyj[/URL]

[QUOTE=WinterKnight;6832298]I don't blame providers for wanting deposits either; many of them have been stiffed on payment before. Your last sentence is key to your approach: Women who are genuine are those who can be trusted, and I have to admit that I do break my own rule with women I trust. But I have known these women for a long time, and have seen them regularly throughout; our relationships are more FWB than SW / client. They do me favors, and I "help with the bills". But it takes many repeat visits before that level of comfort and trust is achieved.[/QUOTE]You can't really believe that! I've had similar experiences with women I've seen for years. I still wouldn't give them any coin beforehand. Eventually, you will get ripped off by one of those chicks that you think is your FWB. This is a business to them and pleasure for us. I won't give any chick a deposit. I've made that mistake. Papa Be.

Be ready for those price bumps fellas! One of my regulars told me she's raising prices "next month" but will still charge her normal fee to certain repeat clients. The upscale girls will be flooding the market soon too. Don't forget our uncle is gearing up for stings as well. Stick to your regulars or head to Flint, Toledo, GR maybe. Use the big head and spidey sense. Be careful out there.

[QUOTE=Lamarr;6841610][URL]https://youtu.be/R7iq0JzWsZk?si=iiDoKI-0i9-SbOyj[/URL][/QUOTE]Can anyone PM me with joy cell phone number.

[QUOTE=PapaBoner78;6841755]You can't really believe that! I've had similar experiences with women I've seen for years. I still wouldn't give them any coin beforehand. Eventually, you will get ripped off by one of those chicks that you think is your FWB. This is a business to them and pleasure for us. I won't give any chick a deposit. I've made that mistake. Papa Be.[/QUOTE]Oh, I completely agree with you, Papa Be. I've made that mistake a few years ago, too, with escorts who I saw for more than two years. Not that they refused service or failed to show; but yes, a couple of times, service was delayed by errands until my free time was exhausted, or service was minimal or perfunctory, or they "forget" that I paid in advance and need another payment.

The UTR girls I see currently are more trustworthy, and have never asked for or expected payment in advance.

[B]Moved From The Seeking Arrangement's Thread[/B]

[QUOTE=MIGuy69;6844685]I posted a similar question in SW REPORTS forum. I don't want to show license info, or use credit card. A user there said the Redford Hotel on Telegraph does not require license I'd. If I ever try it I'll report about it.

For other motels. I guess one could buy a pre paid VISA with cash, and use that to pay for the room, but, still need to avoid leaving drives license info.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=DMichael5;6845060]I haven't had any luck not showing a driver's license to get the room. For booking, I use [URL]dayuse.com[/URL]. Depending on the hotel, I have been able to give them the card for incidentals and tell them not to swipe it as I will pay cash when I check out. Its been 99% effective. Although onetime a new employee ran it by mistake and the checkout procedure was a about 30 minutes longer than I wanted it to be. It was a work card so I fared ok. A pre-paid visa should work.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=MIGuy69;6849657]I just don't want my license copied, or to even print my name, DL number on a hotel's registration card at the hotel. (Or give car's plate number). I just don't like the idea of a paper trail, and want a way around it.

Are you saying you leave your Credit card with the clerk, then pay cash when leaving and get your card back? Seems risky to leave your CC with the clerk. I think he could just take a photo of it, and sell it to someone?

I have thought of getting a pre-paid visa, but was not sure they work at merchants? I would be happy to simply pay the hotel cash. If they accept cash without a CC or Drivers license simply so they know who they are renting to. Maybe they don't care? I have not rented a room in over a decade, short stay or legit hotel.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=DMichael5;6850290]I don't leave my DL or CC with the clerk. They swipe the CC, but they don't run it until check out. Depending on the place, I pay for the room in cash, and tell them I will pay in cash for any incidentals and that way the card never gets used. But at your level of concern, (No DL, No license plate, No CC, no hotel registration) you may end up at some real sketchy places that to me, would not be worth the risk.[/QUOTE]

Damn, looks like sumosear. Ch is down and has been all day.

Hope it doesn't disappear b / c I use it all the time to look out for scams.