"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[QUOTE=JeezLizard;2635444]Sometimes the ones with absent-daddy syndrome, that are driven to replace the role that their real dad didn't play in their life, are the most fun. They've got an extra motivational factor that outweighs the monetary support. Take that factor, and combine it with the fact that career success on a man is a natural aphrodisiac in itself, in their minds. Success on a male is the equivalent of a perfect ass on a female, its hard to pass up.

This is one reason I don't like to discuss amounts with them. Dangling external motivators like cash creates a distraction that makes it harder for the intrinsic motivators like the above to flourish.[/QUOTE]Since I've been focusing on one SB its been more like peeling off layers of getting to know my SB / GF / SO better. We have no fetish play to think of and she's not into calling me daddy during sex or anything like that. There's no dress up or role play other than lingerie.

The dynamic of our relationship does have some simulatity to daddy Dom play. It's very subtle, but my SB will occasionally want a piggyback ride or for me to tie her shoe. This isn't frequent in occurance. We definitely have our share of intellectual conversation, but there are times in the past I've noticed that she acts child like. I'm not complaining. It's just an observation.

I suppose she looks at me as a father figure in some ways as I provide all her financial needs. She loves when I'm at home working with my toolbox or tinkering with small electronics. When I'm handling work calls she smiles at me and gives me a hug from behind when I'm in my chair. If she does something I disprove of she warms up to me by being sexual. I looked at it as sweet GF behavior, but I'm starting to wonder if there are some parallels.

I only recently discovered DD / LG and I'm wondering if this is what we're acting out. If any of your guys have any ideas on how to further take advantage of this inclination let me know. At this point, this could be me overthinking things. Or perhaps I'm on to something.

Don't know.

[QUOTE=FScott;2635354]Is this app available for iphones? Once you sign up for the 7 day option, can you then access the site from your PC? My profile expired a week ago, but there are a few stragglers that I'd like to contact if possible.

Thanks,

Scott.[/QUOTE]

Fellahs, been a while since I've posted. Not for lack of wanting to contribute (no I'm not holding out to try to keep you brothers from being able to use my strategies) but rather I have not had the available time to contribute to the board because I've been so busy bowling. This month has been an embarrassment of riches. No, not here to brag, but rather to help put things into perspective with the numbers. I know, I'm under 45, fit, and am not completely ugly, so the bowl should be rigged in my favor. I broke down the stats and they say otherwise. I attribute my FC trips to working harder than the next guy, and also on my profile. I previously posted that a mercenary profile would attract less, but I was wrong. The end of this month I ended up getting messages from two pots from previous rounds that I couldn't close. They were trying to M&G with me. I think the ladies smelled the confidence oozing from my profile.

Of course there are so many variables, so who knows why the past 30 days was so fruitful? Maybe there are less SDs in the game, maybe there are more pots, maybe these babies need money for school supplies? Who knows, but I'll take what I can get when I can get it.

1. According to my SA sent message box, I sent out 208 messages this month. Yes. There were occasions when I hit the max number of messages for the day and had my ability to send messages locked down by the site.

2. Those 208 messages generated 32 M&Gs - 18% rate.

3. Those 32 M&Gs were supposed to lead to 18 FC trips - 56% rate.

4. Of those 18 FC trips, only 12 materialized into actual trips. The other six ended up getting cold feet and backing out, or ended the date by telling me that they needed more time to be comfortable before going to the FC - 66% rate. (more on this in a future post).

5. Of the 12 FC trips, 7 have gone dark or no longer check their profiles, leaving me a new rotation of 5 SBs - 41% rate. The allowance for those 12 trips ranged between 100-200 per date. (more on this in a future post).

Put into perspective, based on the number of messages sent (208), and the number of SBs I now have in my new rotation, the end result is a 2% success rate. It was a heavy grind, only made possible because of my ability to create time (more on this in a future post), use my funds sparingly (more on this on a future post), persistence (I discussed this in a prior post), and the confidence necessary to seal the deal (more on this in a future post).

So I previously posted about how I now exclusively do coffee M&Gs. This past round though, a few ladies slipped through the cracks of my "I just want a nice meal at a high end restaurant radar. " I can't stand this, and according to some of these ladies, there are some brothers out there who are reinforcing this bad behavior by treating SA like a traditional dating site with WYP benefits. One dinner dater even had the gall to ask me for an allowance after I took her out to an upscale restaurant, but without a trip to the FC.

I wish I had excused myself to go the bathroom, and then left her with the check when that nonsense came out of her mouth. Normally, these kinds of ladies get weeded out early in the messaging process. When they make it to the M&G, I ensure that they understand that if and when we go to the next step, intimacy will be required. I do this by having them sit in my lap towards the end of the coffee M&G, or getting a LFK to close the date. If the lady has reservations sitting my lap at the M&G, and / or ending with a LFK, I've concluded that there is little to no hope of them getting to the FC on the dinner date.

Sadly, a few of the "dinner daters" slipped through the cracks this round. Less irritated about the fact that I had to drop cash to pay for the dinner, and more irritated at myself for not catching it sooner. I also hate the feeling of getting strung along. I've countered these ladies by stepping down the FC dinner date to an above average restaurant. This way, if the evening ends badly, I feel a little less strung along.

I've concluded that if a girl makes it past the M&G stage and has agreed to go to the FC, then she's already made up her mind about whether she will, or will not really go there. So long as you don't take her to McDonalds, things will generally end up where you want them to be. If a girl is going to flake after the FC dinner date, then it would've happened regardless of where I took them. So rather than taking them to the high end places, I've decided that a decent chain will do (e. G. Cheesecake factory, etc.).

So there have been some prior posts about how one is able to manufacture time away from the SO to play with the bowl. I also understand that there are some brothers out there that don't go bowling unless the SO is out of town because they fear the wrath of the SO.

A few more creative suggestions I've thought about:

1. Uber. Most SOs won't have a problem if a brother is away from the family because they are trying to make money. For those brothers in small towns, who need to go to larger markets, one option is to become an Uber / Lyft / etc. Driver and then go to larger cities during the weekend to make money. This provides the perfect cover to get a hotel room in a different city, and a SO approved basis to be away from the family (you're busy working trying to bring money home, she will be happy). This also has the added benefit of making money in between M&G's, FC trips, etc and could help to defray bowl costs.

2. Volunteering as a mentor a local college. For those brothers with more professional background, being a mentor to students at a local college via a formal program provides the perfect cover and reason for you to be away from home for clips at a time. This has the added benefit of providing cover when you're in town and spotted with a young lady (hey, you're only mentoring someone you met through the program). It also has the added benefit of actually potentially generating pots when you're really doing the volunteer work.

3. Home projects. Tackling a large or small home project is a great excuse to spend a few hours away from home and in the local big box home improvement store. Coming back home with parts that don't fit, are too big or small, or underbuying or overbuying supplies, only gives you another reason to go back out to the big box store. Almost all of the big box home improvement stores will be in a area with a coffee shop. Perfect time to M&G.

[QUOTE=IluvSmellyFish;2636316]So I previously posted about how I now exclusively do coffee M&Gs. This past round though, a few ladies slipped through the cracks of my "I just want a nice meal at a high end restaurant radar. " I can't stand this, and according to some of these ladies, there are some brothers out there who are reinforcing this bad behavior by treating SA like a traditional dating site with WYP benefits. One dinner dater even had the gall to ask me for an allowance after I took her out to an upscale restaurant, but without a trip to the FC.

I wish I had excused myself to go the bathroom, and then left her with the check when that nonsense came out of her mouth. Normally, these kinds of ladies get weeded out early in the messaging process. When they make it to the M&G, I ensure that they understand that if and when we go to the next step, intimacy will be required. I do this by having them sit in my lap towards the end of the coffee M&G, or getting a LFK to close the date. If the lady has reservations sitting my lap at the M&G, and / or ending with a LFK, I've concluded that there is little to no hope of them getting to the FC on the dinner date.

Sadly, a few of the "dinner daters" slipped through the cracks this round. Less irritated about the fact that I had to drop cash to pay for the dinner, and more irritated at myself for not catching it sooner. I also hate the feeling of getting strung along. I've countered these ladies by stepping down the FC dinner date to an above average restaurant. This way, if the evening ends badly, I feel a little less strung along.

I've concluded that if a girl makes it past the M&G stage and has agreed to go to the FC, then she's already made up her mind about whether she will, or will not really go there. So long as you don't take her to McDonalds, things will generally end up where you want them to be. If a girl is going to flake after the FC dinner date, then it would've happened regardless of where I took them. So rather than taking them to the high end places, I've decided that a decent chain will do (e. G. Cheesecake factory, etc.).[/QUOTE]I've had two SBs ask for an allowance during the first M&G. The first one asked for an allowance when I tried to kiss her. She backed away and asked if she was going to get any money. I told her yes if she wanted to come to my place. She had a look of disgust on her face and got in her car. The second SB had a nice dinner with me in the West End. Weather was nice so we had dinner on the patio. After I paid she asked if she was going to get an allowance for having dinner. I told her yes if she could host or come to my place. She said she was very disappointed that I would not give her an allowance. Then she got up and walked out of the restaurant.

Just went out with my 7. 5 24 yr old last night. First I have to upgrade her to an 8. 5 now after she made herself up in this stunning blue dress with white heals and semi curling her long brown hair. Damn she dressed to kill last night in our first meeting. We had a dinner date out on a small ship. Nice experience doing that, and it was nice, but 3 1/2 hours was a little too long. I wanted to get her off the ship and do her due to the stimulating conversation we had. Learned many things about this new one, so long story short after we got off the ship we were within walking distance of a couple of high class strip clubs. We had a really good time, especially the private dance that this stunning Ukrainian girl did for us. My girl and her hit it off well while we were on the couch. They both have feminine builds. If it wasn't for me having a meeting at the office this morning at 9 am would probably have stayed until close at that place. There was no FC as she did make it clear in her profile she doesn't sleep on the first date, which I admired to a certain extent, because I absolutely wanted to do her with the way she dressed and her sexiness, but at the same time has this natural little girl laugh. She is still in college and is intelligent speaking and the way she conducts herself, which means a lot to me these days. I can only handle beauty and ditsy for so long. But I digress. Took her home and she invited me in to meet her dogs. Now there was a part of me hoping she was going to throw out her mantra of no sex on the first date, but it didn't happen though. She gave me a kiss and said she'll see me Sunday. By the way earlier we set up a Sunday FC at my place. I will say she looks better than her profile. Nice slender dancer like body. She did confess to me that she tried to dance at another high class club nearby, but only lasted three weeks, because she wasn't good at selling herself on stage. I can't wait to do this one. On a side note while taking her home I let her know I won't lie to her (at least not try to) about things, but went on to say that I would like her and one other girl as my babies, so I can pull my profile down on SA and be content with that. She didn't flinch, because the problem she has had in meeting men on this site, according to her, is that they want to get into a serious relationship with her, and she doesn't want that right now. Having said all that about this new baby I have an eye in the back of my head looking to see if this girl is UTR. I can't say that she is yet, because we are still new in our meeting, and it simply is too early for that type of prediction. I hope not. I'm hoping she is a real baby.

Today after my meeting I go pick up my near model 22 yr old. This is the other one I already have and would like to keep with the 24 yr old above. She is spending the day with me and night. She will leave tomorrow.

That's my update. Off to the office.

[QUOTE=MulchMan;2636379]I've had two SBs ask for an allowance during the first M&G. The first one asked for an allowance when I tried to kiss her. She backed away and asked if she was going to get any money. I told her yes if she wanted to come to my place. She had a look of disgust on her face and got in her car. The second SB had a nice dinner with me in the West End. Weather was nice so we had dinner on the patio. After I paid she asked if she was going to get an allowance for having dinner. I told her yes if she could host or come to my place. She said she was very disappointed that I would not give her an allowance. Then she got up and walked out of the restaurant.[/QUOTE]Yeah, this sounds like girls mistaking the SD site for another version of WYP. I'm not surprised as the same dude owns both sites and no doubt cross promotes. Thus a girl on WYP might not see any difference in SA or appreciate there is a different animal there. You did the right thing by kicking them to the curb. Maybe sooner or later they'll get the message.

I'm still shocked that there are dudes willing to pay twice (once to be able to email her & again for her to get free food and drinks) to go on a platonic date with a girl.

WYP? I not familiar.

I joined SA 2 weeks ago. Of course, I go the usual flurry of mails, especially from overseas profiles (SPAM).

I immediately met a girl for M&G coffee. She insisted on a "gift" and silly me. I didn't think and gave her one. She immediately became very pushy demanding a monthly allowance and would give me "the best sex I ever had" (is there such a thing? I booted her.

Second was a black girl, 32, MILF. And turns out she lives near me. Our first M&G was in her bed. Wow. Such fun. We have a "pay as you go" relationship for now. She is quite different from what I imagined a SA girl would be. We got all the 'preliminaries" out of the way, my being married, etc.

So, I have modified my profile, reduced my annual income and net worth, put down that I don't provide gifts on a M&G and if you expect so, then pass me by. I'll let the board know how this works out. I'm not cheap, but reading this board is very helpful for me.

I am supposed to meet a 24 yo mixed girl today. I have sworn off white girls and maybe meet a Latina next week. But, of course, its tough with wife around LOL. If the 24 yo works out today and wants a gift, I'll use the tack I read below "let's go to your place and I'll give you a gift (in your pussy) and then from my wallet".

So, that is my experience. Honestly, I travel to Asia a lot and SA type arrangments there are much easier. And the girls. Much more beautiful. But I'm giving it a try here in the USA.

Any other "tips" on this board are appreciated. How to handle M&G gifts, how much you pay per session, does anyone give monthly allowance etc.

GG.

[QUOTE=BaldEagle;2636431]WYP? I not familiar.[/QUOTE]WYP stands for What's Your Price. It is cross-promoted on SA. I won't try to explain it. You can visit and see for yourself. I see it as a helpful site for getting women off of SA who are not serious about being a real baby.

[QUOTE=GenevaGuy;2636447]I joined SA 2 weeks ago. Of course, I go the usual flurry of mails, especially from overseas profiles (SPAM).

I immediately met a girl for M&G coffee. She insisted on a "gift" and silly me. I didn't think and gave her one. She immediately became very pushy demanding a monthly allowance and would give me "the best sex I ever had" (is there such a thing? I booted her.

Second was a black girl, 32, MILF. And turns out she lives near me. Our first M&G was in her bed. Wow. Such fun. We have a "pay as you go" relationship for now. She is quite different from what I imagined a SA girl would be. We got all the 'preliminaries" out of the way, my being married, etc.

So, I have modified my profile, reduced my annual income and net worth, put down that I don't provide gifts on a M&G and if you expect so, then pass me by. I'll let the board know how this works out. I'm not cheap, but reading this board is very helpful for me.

I am supposed to meet a 24 yo mixed girl today. I have sworn off white girls and maybe meet a Latina next week. But, of course, its tough with wife around LOL. If the 24 yo works out today and wants a gift, I'll use the tack I read below "let's go to your place and I'll give you a gift (in your pussy) and then from my wallet".

So, that is my experience. Honestly, I travel to Asia a lot and SA type arrangments there are much easier. And the girls. Much more beautiful. But I'm giving it a try here in the USA.

Any other "tips" on this board are appreciated. How to handle M&G gifts, how much you pay per session, does anyone give monthly allowance etc.

GG.[/QUOTE]I don't think avoiding gift at M&G is being cheap.

To me, it's playing the game smartly and show the babies who's in charge. Girls that need and demand gifts on M&G are either gold diggers or seasoned veterans. To me, they're not worth my time no matter how hot they look. The sex would be mediocre, if it ever get to the FCs with these type of babies. I want new and naive pussies, first time or inexperienced babies. The chase, the seduction is sometimes even better than the fuck. If I wanted seasoned pussies, they're only a phone call away and even have their own hotel rooms.

Congrats on the MILF. It seems that I too attract a lot of MILFs, and they are most often turned out to be really great experiences. They always seem to be horny, eager to please, and just want a good fuck. $ is not the first and only thing in their mind, based on the MILFs that I have encountered. Most of these MILFs had been with assholes and jerks most of their lives, so spending sometimes with a guy that is well rounded and have an actual brain is quite refreshing go them. I had 2 MILFs in the last several weeks, and another 2 lining up next week. It is MILFs galore for me.

[QUOTE=CephlapodLove;2636423]Yeah, this sounds like girls mistaking the SD site for another version of WYP. I'm not surprised as the same dude owns both sites and no doubt cross promotes. Thus a girl on WYP might not see any difference in SA or appreciate there is a different animal there. You did the right thing by kicking them to the curb. Maybe sooner or later they'll get the message.

I'm still shocked that there are dudes willing to pay twice (once to be able to email her & again for her to get free food and drinks) to go on a platonic date with a girl.[/QUOTE]I'm sure the SBs that ask for money during the first M&G would never see you again.

[QUOTE=BaldEagle;2636431]WYP? I not familiar.[/QUOTE]The way it works is this:- NO COST to the girls to join the site. They get sucked in by the promotional material suggesting they can get $100-$200 for going on a regular, no expectations date. If you were a girl it is a great way to get free dinners and get paid for it. Much better than a normal blind date as the girl gets paid, and the site has VERY specific warnings to, "not expect sex on the first date!"

From the guy's perspective it is a hand in your pocket at every turn. Sure, one can sign up for free and can bid back & forth on a date with a girl. But you can not open an email from her and start communicating until you spend "credits." The number of credits you spend depends on the value of the date you negotiated. So a higher amount for the date and you spend more credits!

Problem is that most of the profiles I saw were VERY sparse in detail about the girl and often had limited pictures. So in order to even start talking to a girl to be able to determine if the girl is a fit, you have to spend money. Then the act of finalizing the bidding on a date process, creates a "binding contract," as the site says, so you are obligated to follow through, date her and pay her. (Love to see some girl sue in court for break of contract! LOL).

What I found was that 60% of those who accepted a bid and went to private email on the site, turned out to be of zero interest or were incompatible. Of the remainder 30% agreed to meet for dates and then flaked out, were no shows or went silent. I my case 1 girl gave me a sob story about a sick kid needing medicine and wanted me to wire her money. She got banned from the site. But my credits were still spent!

Finally, sure, maybe, perhaps one could treat these WYP dates as M&Gs- but as mentioned before the site is very specific and prominent about selling itself as "sex not expected" so that draws girls who would date for cash but would NEVER consider being a SB.

If one wants a SB, then stick to the SB sites IMHO. Just too bad that the cross-marketing blurs the lines.

I don't know if I'm paranoid, but I recall a member account being suspended by SA for allegedly offering sex for money or something similar to that. I've only exchange about two messages with this on SA. I asked what you are looking for exactly her reply was I wouldn't mind sex for money. This is actually the first time since I've been in the bowl that a female as been so direct so quickly on SA. After two messages and no pictures from me, I don't even know how to respond or if I shouldn't even respond at all. Any advice on this one? I don't want to show up someone where and get nabbed.

I have never done that. I will always bear the cost of our "Date", but no gift to just show up. I usually do a coffee date or lunch date. I will not spend the time or money on a dinner date. When I have been asked about a gift for the M&G, I reply "The gifts don't start until the panties are on the floor Honey". And, I stick to that. There's no pussy out there worth over spending on.

[QUOTE=Falar;2636904]I don't know if I'm paranoid, but I recall a member account being suspended by SA for allegedly offering sex for money or something similar to that.[/QUOTE]Do you mean a member of this forum (this thread in particular) or a member of SA that you read about somewhere else? I'm not aware of anyone being suspended for offering money. I'm personally against the practice because I think it threatens the hobby, but the only way SA would know about this is if a girl reported it (very possible). As a safety net against that, take the girl out of SA's private messaging into email and text as quickly as possible. For legal reasons I would never, under any circumstances, engage in something like that using SA's PM because its stored on their network. Your personal mail and text is truly yours and anyone would need a subpoena to go after that.

If you're referring to a regular of this thread who got banned from SA, that was because he was flagged for "commercial activity" I believe they called it, or something to that effect. It was not from offering girls money, it was for copying and pasting the same message to multiple girls, which unfortunately contained canned scripts (i.e. multi-step marketing plan) written by another member of this thread. When SA's servers detect the same message being sent by multiple SD accounts, they have reason to believe it's commercial spam. What most likely happened in that case is that the girl reported it as spam because she received mails with similar wording from multiple men. The girl probably googled a few sentences and found that it had been posted to a public web link, perhaps even linking it back to this forum.

Sending out canned scripts someone else wrote in general is a bad idea and it's unfortunate that this practice was ever encouraged by anyone here, but yes someone got banned over it.

From SA's perspective, canned scripts coming from multiple members looks like scammers with ulterior motives drumming up business. They don't know it's just a horny dude who wants to use someone else's words.

My apologies, now that you mentioned it. It's the commercial activities. The female is the one who stated she wouldn't mind having sex for money. It's just she's the first female to be so direct so soon on SA.

[QUOTE=JeezLizard;2637010]Do you mean a member of this forum (this thread in particular) or a member of SA that you read about somewhere else? I'm not aware of anyone being suspended for offering money. I'm personally against the practice because I think it threatens the hobby, but the only way SA would know about this is if a girl reported it (very possible). As a safety net against that, take the girl out of SA's private messaging into email and text as quickly as possible. For legal reasons I would never, under any circumstances, engage in something like that using SA's PM because its stored on their network. Your personal mail and text is truly yours and anyone would need a subpoena to go after that.

If you're referring to a regular of this thread who got banned from SA, that was because he was flagged for "commercial activity" I believe they called it, or something to that effect. It was not from offering girls money, it was for copying and pasting the same message to multiple girls, which unfortunately contained canned scripts (i.e. multi-step marketing plan) written by another member of this thread. When SA's servers detect the same message being sent by multiple SD accounts, they have reason to believe it's commercial spam. What most likely happened in that case is that the girl reported it as spam because she received mails with similar wording from multiple men. The girl probably googled a few sentences and found that it had been posted to a public web link, perhaps even linking it back to this forum.

Sending out canned scripts someone else wrote in general is a bad idea and it's unfortunate that this practice was ever encouraged by anyone here, but yes someone got banned over it.

From SA's perspective, canned scripts coming from multiple members looks like scammers with ulterior motives drumming up business. They don't know it's just a horny dude who wants to use someone else's words.[/QUOTE]

I seem to remember her on backpage or something? Please post or pm me details. I supposedly ran across her online.

[QUOTE=ILikeHotWomen;2637105]I seem to remember her on backpage or something? Please post or pm me details. I supposedly ran across her online.[/QUOTE]Never seen her before, but I'd break her cervix.

$0. 02.

Anyone want to trade or share their utrs in the nova area?

A few updates regarding lessons learned in the bowl this past round:

1. Hotel. Before booking hotels, I've learned to always call ahead to ask whether an early check in and late check out looks like it will be possible. The hotel staff won't ever guarantee either, but based on availability, they should be able to give you an idea of whether its going to happen or not. An early check in with a late check out literally gives you 50% more potential FC time. For example, most hotels require check in at 3 pm And check out at 11 am This gives you about 20 hours. If you book at a hotel where you know early check in (10 am) and late check out (5 pm) is likely, this gives you about 31 hours of time.

2. Phone. A prior brother previously recommended the 1000 text card for the TracPhone. I had been burning through texts like a madman this past round. Some of these young pots text the most inane crap. I can't tell you how many "lolz" I received, but then had to open because my burner Trac phone won't let me see if the text is from the pot that is supposed to meet me at the FC, or from the pot that has diarrhea of the fingers. I can't tell you how unbelievably annoyed I get when I receive a series of texts ranging from "Oh my god" then, "you're too much" then, "lolz" then, "xoxo. " I digress though. The 1000 text card for the TracPhone is only available for phones that have a "plan" meaning that if you're buying minutes and service time with cards, then you can't apply the 1000 text card to your account.

3. Cards. If you're looking to put cash on a card to avoid having purchases traced, most of the rechargeable cards that are available at Walmart come with too many fees (e. G. Maintenance fees, etc.) and are a pain in the butt to set up. I've decided that the non-rechargeable Vanilla Visa is the best way to go for me. You can load up to $500 on each card and there is a one time nominal fee when you purchase the card. No fuss, no muss. All you need to do to use the card for internet purchases is input a zip code when you activate the card.

4. Transportation. Uber and Lyft are the way to go. Non-surge pricing makes transportation super cheap. It also pretty much eliminates any concerns about a pot taking down my license plate or knowing more identifying information about me than I want her to know (e. G. The make and model of my cars).

So this past round, I encountered a much higher number of ladies who seemed like they were using SA as a traditional dating site. Normally these pots are easy to avoid because their profiles give them away. Their profiles usually say things like: "I'm not opposed to something long term with the right guy," "I prefer platonic relationships to start out but might be able to be comfortable having sex if I come to genuinely like you," "intimacy comes with time," or some such nonsense.

A few slipped through my spider senses this round, which meant wasted dinner dates, but more importantly, wasted time that could have been spent working another pot or having a FC trip with a SB. The most annoying part was when these pots who wasted my time tried to string me along by ending the date by hinting that the next dinner date might end up with a trip to the FC.

I wanted to tell these pots that they don't seem to understand the supply and demand problem they are facing. There are just too many other pots out there who are willing to drop the panties when they find a SD that they like.

So I've gotten more than a few messages about what I put in the mercenary profile that has been so successful. It wouldn't make sense for me to post the actual text because if it starts getting copied, then it would be a little weird. Here are a few tips:

1. Confident vs. Cocky. I tried to set up a profile that exuded confidence, not cockiness. There is a fine line between the two. Coming off as the latter rather than the former is an easy way to chase off the ladies.

2. Value vs. Cheap. My profile also outlined my general approach to the bowl. I made it clear that a baby wasn't going to get rich off me on a first date, but avoids coming off as cheap. In many ways it outlines Fred Moore's idea that if a baby and I see each other on a regular basis, then it could be possible for her to reach her expectations (depending of course what her expectations are). Coming off as cheap is a sure fire way to kill any shot you have of getting responses. Using your profile to give a roadmap to a pot for how she can reach her expectations is completely different.

[QUOTE=Falar;2637033]The female is the one who stated she wouldn't mind having sex for money. It's just she's the first female to be so direct so soon on SA.[/QUOTE]Best thing is to get off SA site asap as jeelizard suggested. Then with anything in this hobby, never talk directly about sex for money. A girl who does that is probably just naive. Make sure you discuss / mention the $ is for her companionship, a massage, poetry reading or something else. You can be clear that your intentions are to end up with her panties on the floor, just don't relate that directly to any "help. ".

From what I have heard, there is a low probability that a girl who shows up at a M&G is LE. I am told that is too many resources to expend to collar one dude on what is usually a misdemeanour charge. Remember, LE isn't going to send a female decoy alone, so there needs to be a fair amount of back up around. Now if the girl asks you to bring illegal substances with you to the date. That's another story as those charges are usually felonies.

Also remember to use a burner phone, GV # and monger email. Sure all of these could be traced back to you, but doing so requires a large amount of resources, time, court orders, etc. All of which not cost effective. Also there is some wisdom in NOT carrying ones burner phone with you on a 1st date -ups the ante on linking you to those texts, conversations, etc.

Good luck, stay safe!

[QUOTE=IluvSmellyFish;2637277]A few updates regarding lessons learned in the bowl this past round:

1. Hotel. Before booking hotels, I've learned to always call ahead to ask whether an early check in and late check out looks like it will be possible. The hotel staff won't ever guarantee either, but based on availability, they should be able to give you an idea of whether its going to happen or not. An early check in with a late check out literally gives you 50% more potential FC time. For example, most hotels require check in at 3 pm And check out at 11 am This gives you about 20 hours. If you book at a hotel where you know early check in (10 am) and late check out (5 pm) is likely, this gives you about 31 hours of time.

2. Phone. A prior brother previously recommended the 1000 text card for the TracPhone. I had been burning through texts like a madman this past round. Some of these young pots text the most inane crap. I can't tell you how many "lolz" I received, but then had to open because my burner Trac phone won't let me see if the text is from the pot that is supposed to meet me at the FC, or from the pot that has diarrhea of the fingers. I can't tell you how unbelievably annoyed I get when I receive a series of texts ranging from "Oh my god" then, "you're too much" then, "lolz" then, "xoxo. " I digress though. The 1000 text card for the TracPhone is only available for phones that have a "plan" meaning that if you're buying minutes and service time with cards, then you can't apply the 1000 text card to your account.

3. Cards. If you're looking to put cash on a card to avoid having purchases traced, most of the rechargeable cards that are available at Walmart come with too many fees (e. G. Maintenance fees, etc.) and are a pain in the butt to set up. I've decided that the non-rechargeable Vanilla Visa is the best way to go for me. You can load up to $500 on each card and there is a one time nominal fee when you purchase the card. No fuss, no muss. All you need to do to use the card for internet purchases is input a zip code when you activate the card.

4. Transportation. Uber and Lyft are the way to go. Non-surge pricing makes transportation super cheap. It also pretty much eliminates any concerns about a pot taking down my license plate or knowing more identifying information about me than I want her to know (e. G. The make and model of my cars).[/QUOTE]Great advice. I purchased a hushed account. You can select a number with your area code and pay for minutes / texts. This avoids the hassle of using two phones. I had a problem with my contact list last week and received great customer service via email.

[QUOTE=MulchMan;2637418]Great advice. I purchased a hushed account. You can select a number with your area code and pay for minutes / texts. This avoids the hassle of using two phones. I had a problem with my contact list last week and received great customer service via email.[/QUOTE]Also. You can use "burner" its an app (I have iphone, may be on android also) where you purchase a number and then after whatever time period you purchase, the number burns. You can get phone and text from it.

GG.

[QUOTE=HoyaSvnFgr;2635684]Since I've been focusing on one SB its been more like peeling off layers of getting to know my SB / GF / SO better. We have no fetish play to think of and she's not into calling me daddy during sex or anything like that. There's no dress up or role play other than lingerie.

The dynamic of our relationship does have some simulatity to daddy Dom play. It's very subtle, but my SB will occasionally want a piggyback ride or for me to tie her shoe. This isn't frequent in occurance. We definitely have our share of intellectual conversation, but there are times in the past I've noticed that she acts child like. I'm not complaining. It's just an observation.

I suppose she looks at me as a father figure in some ways as I provide all her financial needs. She loves when I'm at home working with my toolbox or tinkering with small electronics. When I'm handling work calls she smiles at me and gives me a hug from behind when I'm in my chair. If she does something I disprove of she warms up to me by being sexual. I looked at it as sweet GF behavior, but I'm starting to wonder if there are some parallels.

I only recently discovered DD / LG and I'm wondering if this is what we're acting out. If any of your guys have any ideas on how to further take advantage of this inclination let me know. At this point, this could be me overthinking things. Or perhaps I'm on to something.[/QUOTE]Good read about your girl. Excuse my ignorance but what is "DD / LG"?

[QUOTE=GenevaGuy;2636447]I joined SA 2 weeks ago. Of course, I go the usual flurry of mails, especially from overseas profiles (SPAM).

I immediately met a girl for M&G coffee. She insisted on a "gift" and silly me. I didn't think and gave her one. She immediately became very pushy demanding a monthly allowance and would give me "the best sex I ever had" (is there such a thing? I booted her.

Second was a black girl, 32, MILF. And turns out she lives near me. Our first M&G was in her bed. Wow. Such fun. We have a "pay as you go" relationship for now. She is quite different from what I imagined a SA girl would be. We got all the 'preliminaries" out of the way, my being married, etc.

So, I have modified my profile, reduced my annual income and net worth, put down that I don't provide gifts on a M&G and if you expect so, then pass me by. I'll let the board know how this works out. I'm not cheap, but reading this board is very helpful for me.

I am supposed to meet a 24 yo mixed girl today. I have sworn off white girls and maybe meet a Latina next week. But, of course, its tough with wife around LOL. If the 24 yo works out today and wants a gift, I'll use the tack I read below "let's go to your place and I'll give you a gift (in your pussy) and then from my wallet".

So, that is my experience. Honestly, I travel to Asia a lot and SA type arrangments there are much easier. And the girls. Much more beautiful. But I'm giving it a try here in the USA.

Any other "tips" on this board are appreciated. How to handle M&G gifts, how much you pay per session, does anyone give monthly allowance etc.

GG.[/QUOTE]You might already know by know, but the Index is right below the Sugarbabies thread.

Yes this game is easier done in China. What part of Asia do you travel? And agreed many more beautiful girls in China. Not much fat seen there.

Oh and I never give gifts at a M & G. I'll do dinner, and to me that is more than enough for a M & G.

[QUOTE=Mike7794;2637459]Good read about your girl. Excuse my ignorance but what is "DD / LG"?[/QUOTE]I think many girls today fantasize about being dominated. Look at the popularity of "50 Shades of Grey". They want someone that is experienced and makes them feel safe to explore. Obviously, Sugar Daddy sites have a high percentage of these type of girls.

I've actually become much more dominant as I've learned that's what many of these girls like. (and I like it too!

[QUOTE=IluvSmellyFish;2637277]A few updates regarding lessons learned in the bowl this past round:

1. Hotel. Before booking hotels, I've learned to always call ahead to ask whether an early check in and late check out looks like it will be possible. The hotel staff won't ever guarantee either, but based on availability, they should be able to give you an idea of whether its going to happen or not. An early check in with a late check out literally gives you 50% more potential FC time. For example, most hotels require check in at 3 pm And check out at 11 am This gives you about 20 hours. If you book at a hotel where you know early check in (10 am) and late check out (5 pm) is likely, this gives you about 31 hours of time.

2. Phone. A prior brother previously recommended the 1000 text card for the TracPhone. I had been burning through texts like a madman this past round. Some of these young pots text the most inane crap. I can't tell you how many "lolz" I received, but then had to open because my burner Trac phone won't let me see if the text is from the pot that is supposed to meet me at the FC, or from the pot that has diarrhea of the fingers. I can't tell you how unbelievably annoyed I get when I receive a series of texts ranging from "Oh my god" then, "you're too much" then, "lolz" then, "xoxo. " I digress though. The 1000 text card for the TracPhone is only available for phones that have a "plan" meaning that if you're buying minutes and service time with cards, then you can't apply the 1000 text card to your account.

3. Cards. If you're looking to put cash on a card to avoid having purchases traced, most of the rechargeable cards that are available at Walmart come with too many fees (e. G. Maintenance fees, etc.) and are a pain in the butt to set up. I've decided that the non-rechargeable Vanilla Visa is the best way to go for me. You can load up to $500 on each card and there is a one time nominal fee when you purchase the card. No fuss, no muss. All you need to do to use the card for internet purchases is input a zip code when you activate the card.

4. Transportation. Uber and Lyft are the way to go. Non-surge pricing makes transportation super cheap. It also pretty much eliminates any concerns about a pot taking down my license plate or knowing more identifying information about me than I want her to know (e. G. The make and model of my cars).[/QUOTE]

Good stuff. This post probably needs to be copied to the Index thread.

I was supposed to meet my 22 yr old baby yesterday. The plan was for her to stay the day and overnight. In the morning she left work early (waitress) and went home sick. She didn't think it would be a good idea to meet and give it to me, but would meet if I really wanted to. I was understanding of the situation. We have a once per week pattern normally. So I stayed home watched a couple football games, then by the evening I was getting antsy, so I went strip bar hopping. I only recently started visited them again after several years away from that scene. So I went to a few and ended up at classy one that I knew would be good. There must have been 30 dancers there, and the number of quality ones were higher than I remember in the past. Many hot ones. Anyway I had a nice private dance, after we sat and talked a while, with a 20 year old that I would compare to something close to a Sandra Bullock look alike. Invariably I start talking to her about having a sugar daddy. I can't seem to help myself. I really want to settle on these two babies I already have, but when I see beauty everything seems to go out the door. She had a boyfriend and over the course of the 15 minutes, during the private dance, I had her thinking she needs to cool it with her boyfriend for awhile. So by the end of the dance we exchange phone numbers, and I verified it, but by the end of the night I must have accidently deleted it while navigating my phone during the night. I didn't see this until I was driving home, and I wasn't going back to get it. Kind of disappointed, but at the end of the day it will save me money.

[QUOTE=ShortMan22;2637250]Anyone want to trade or share their utrs in the nova area?[/QUOTE]We have a mailing list going fornNoVA.

PM me for details.

The guys that have more then one baby I have a question.

Do you let them know you have more than one baby, or do you keep it silent in fear of losing that pussy from your lineup?

This new baby of mine, that I was out with the two nights ago on a ship for dinner, and we ended up in the strip club afterward observing, and also finding out how open minded she is. She also made it a point to make it known the past problems she has had guys and them wanting to get serious, so in that vein I let her know she would not have to worry about that with me. I went on to tell her I had one currently, and others from my recent past, and that my current goal was to settle on two only, and she is the one I would like to add. Obviously she said it was fine, but what is she going to say in the middle of a fun date "no that is unacceptable"? Maybe, but I think the true test might be today, as we set up a FC date at my house later today. I reached out early this morning with a "Good morning" greeting on text. Then later in the morning I let her know I wanted to plan my day and asked "are we still on for later? No response yet. So if I don't get one then that should pretty much mean she's not down for me having another baby, and I'm back to looking for that second baby to add to my lineup.

So what do you guys think?

I have told some and not others. Depends a lot on the girl and her motives, but it can be tricky to test the waters and see how open they are. Many say they want a "monogamous" SB / SD, but in reality will have more. So they are not always honest upfront.

I'm probably like HWG. I want my ongoing babies to be monogamous with me, but I don't plan to be monogamous myself. I know it is hypocritical.

[QUOTE=Mike7794;2637558]The guys that have more then one baby I have a question.

Do you let them know you have more than one baby, or do you keep it silent in fear of losing that pussy from your lineup?

This new baby of mine, that I was out with the two nights ago on a ship for dinner, and we ended up in the strip club afterward observing, and also finding out how open minded she is. She also made it a point to make it known the past problems she has had guys and them wanting to get serious, so in that vein I let her know she would not have to worry about that with me. I went on to tell her I had one currently, and others from my recent past, and that my current goal was to settle on two only, and she is the one I would like to add. Obviously she said it was fine, but what is she going to say in the middle of a fun date "no that is unacceptable"? Maybe, but I think the true test might be today, as we set up a FC date at my house later today. I reached out early this morning with a "Good morning" greeting on text. Then later in the morning I let her know I wanted to plan my day and asked "are we still on for later? No response yet. So if I don't get one then that should pretty much mean she's not down for me having another baby, and I'm back to looking for that second baby to add to my lineup.

So what do you guys think?[/QUOTE]

I am generally pretty open about having multiple babies, when I have them. If a girls asks, then I am pretty open. I've found that the young girls these days are accustomed to the idea that until things get serious, both parties will be dating around. Of course I prefer that a baby be monogomous with me, but have found that when I bring up that conversation, it leaves me in a position of weaknesses. Some babies will see this as an opportunity to negotiate. Regardless, I always want my babies to know who is in control.

The other reason I like being honest is because I've found that if a SB knows I have multiple babies it drives them crazy. Women are just as competitive as men, especially when it comes to other women. When they approach you about being monogomous, it leaves you in a position of power. Now you get to dictate terms to them. Was your baby hesitant to go bareback? Well, then tell her that SB 2 likes it in the ass bareback (nicely of course) and see how quickly some of those inhibitions disappear.

So far my MO has been to whittle down to one SB because trying to juggle more than one main SB with potentially one backup becomes too crazy when you're also juggling a full time job and SO. The SO will only accept so many excuses for having to work late, go out with co-workers, etc.

Once I have an established stable, I generally find that multiple girls gives me the ability to dictate terms to them. It helps keep them in check. I've also found that once I once I get to one SB, the SB starts getting the impression that she is safe, and then becomes more demanding.

[QUOTE=Mike7794;2637558]The guys that have more then one baby I have a question.

Do you let them know you have more than one baby, or do you keep it silent in fear of losing that pussy from your lineup?

This new baby of mine, that I was out with the two nights ago on a ship for dinner, and we ended up in the strip club afterward observing, and also finding out how open minded she is. She also made it a point to make it known the past problems she has had guys and them wanting to get serious, so in that vein I let her know she would not have to worry about that with me. I went on to tell her I had one currently, and others from my recent past, and that my current goal was to settle on two only, and she is the one I would like to add. Obviously she said it was fine, but what is she going to say in the middle of a fun date "no that is unacceptable"? Maybe, but I think the true test might be today, as we set up a FC date at my house later today. I reached out early this morning with a "Good morning" greeting on text. Then later in the morning I let her know I wanted to plan my day and asked "are we still on for later? No response yet. So if I don't get one then that should pretty much mean she's not down for me having another baby, and I'm back to looking for that second baby to add to my lineup.

So what do you guys think?[/QUOTE]

Not gifting for the m&g is the best policy, both for you and for other brothers. Otherwise the gift at the m&g establishes a floor of what will be expected for every date moving forward.

More of our brothers should follow this standard.

[QUOTE=Mike7794;2637467]You might already know by know, but the Index is right below the Sugarbabies thread.

Yes this game is easier done in China. What part of Asia do you travel? And agreed many more beautiful girls in China. Not much fat seen there.

Oh and I never give gifts at a M & G. I'll do dinner, and to me that is more than enough for a M & G.[/QUOTE]

LOL,

This girl is on SA and when I contacted her she was very eager to meet up quickly. I knew she was a pro. She told me she hadn't had sex with a guy in six years because.

She was with girls and also she was in jail for a violation. She talking about how she needed $249 for books. I told her I can't do $200 for an hour and she got offended.

And told me that if I wanted a cheap girl I should look on backpage. Well Well, looks like this girl has been on backpage some time. LOL.

She told me that she doesn't have a car. Just sharing info, I called her out on this and of course she got mad. She claims she has had guys pay $500 plus tip. LOL yeah ok.

Well at least we know her price range. Stay safe brothers.

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[QUOTE=IluvSmellyFish;2637770]Not gifting for the m&g is the best policy, both for you and for other brothers. Otherwise the gift at the m&g establishes a floor of what will be expected for every date moving forward.

More of our brothers should follow this standard.[/QUOTE]Absolutely.

I have had only one or two bring that up, and it has always resulted in me suggesting they try What's Your Price. It's always smarter to disengage politely and constructively, and if they go to WYP and succeed, obviously both they and competing males are removed from the pool. If they don't succeed at WYP then they should know better next time on the standard SB sites. They never got back to me, so. Next!

I've also always talked in terms of a ". No obligation meeting over coffee before deciding if there's to be a mutually beneficial arrangement. " Put that way, I am telling her that the m&g is not part of any arrangement yet and so shouldn't be paid.

[QUOTE=Ltnric;2637791]LOL,

This girl is on SA and when I contacted her she was very eager to meet up quickly. I knew she was a pro. She told me she hadn't had sex with a guy in six years because.

She was with girls and also she was in jail for a violation. She talking about how she needed $249 for books. I told her I can't do $200 for an hour and she got offended.

And told me that if I wanted a cheap girl I should look on backpage. Well Well, looks like this girl has been on backpage some time. LOL.

She told me that she doesn't have a car. Just sharing info, I called her out on this and of course she got mad. She claims she has had guys pay $500 plus tip. LOL yeah ok.

Well at least we know her price range. Stay safe brothers.

[URL]http://richmond.backpage.com/FemaleEscorts/want-some-real-satisfying-pleasure/15858750[/URL][/QUOTE]No way I would pay 249 for that. She is lying if she claims to have received 500. Also, I have never brought up an allowance for a M&G. My time is just as valuable as their time. Besides, I'm paying for dinner. If they mention an allowance for a M&G dinner then I know they are money grubbing and I move on. If you give them money during the first M&G you will never see them again. Most of the time I try to schedule a M&G close to my house. If it doesn't work out then I am a mile away from my house. If it does work out then I am at the FC in 3-4 minutes. We need to stay firm with these ladies so they don't have unrealistic expectations and don't take us for a ride. Stay firm.