"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

My SB -really an UTR -has missed a few weekly meets due to scheduling issues. So I will give her a guarantee catch up so she can count on a set amount of sugar / month. If she is not desperate then maybe she won't make bad decisions and get into hooking. But I won't go so far as paying her no matter what. I DO NOT trust her-or any SB -to honor the arrangement. I've been burned so many times. It is like that definition of insanity -right? Doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results. They can't help their larcenous selves. Pussy for guys is like that. Money for girls does it for them. I will NEVER advance $$ again! They get behind and instead of putting up--or out--and maintaining good will, they take the $ and run. How short sighted and stupid some of them are. The thieves who have done that to me could have maintained the agreement and kept a good payor in the loop. Even now I would call some of them for an occasion appointment -and they would be that much richer -not to mention actually have a good time. Who wouldn't like to have a guy they can call when they need a $$ -in return for a roll in the hay. It doesn't make sense.

I know what you are thinking. Big, fat, gross, sloppy guy who they are disgusted to be in the presence of. Not so. Definitely decades older which might be repelling to a young girl, but the other things are all good. Go figure. Thanks for listening. I don't need to see my shrink this week LOL.

Back to the search.

Greetings fellow mongers. I did not see this section of the USASG site until now. I have been wondering if a discussion thread existed. I have been active on the SA site for a bit over two months now. It has been fruitful insofar as I have had a lot of good encounters. Briefly my experience is as follows: Lots of messaging to set up a date, frequent no- shows, some are not-as-advertised-- BUT generally pics are accurate; when I did find SB, usually was a good encounter. Has cost me shit tons of money, but once all is said and done, I have been able to find several in RVA that are good-quality GFE, willing to do whatever at or near the upper end of BP girl pricing. I currently have a couple on "retainer" . I also have a fellow monger on the site and we exchange information. This has been highly useful. Generally, we are looking for "per visit" girls. Prices have varied, and I am sure I have paid too much, but am learning that good quality is out there for a reasonable price, if you are willing to take the time to sort the SB out. I wish you all well with your monger-related activities and will be following this thread.

I too, tire of the pussy. Even if it hot and highly skilled. I just see another and have to have it. The Lord Buddha was right, lust is the same as a thirsty man drinking salt water. His thirst only grows. But for now, this is my fate. It appears I have been paying too much. My fellow monger (and SB enthusiast) told me as much. Firstly, I don't want to overpay and secondly, I don't want to distort the price curve here in the RVA. Happy mongering!

[QUOTE=Mike7794;2625439]My budget is pretty steady at 150 per meet with the exception of the 22 yr old model babe who is coming in at 250, and she is willing to drive to me, which cuts down on my hotel bill when she does that. She is perfectly willing to drive three hours as well as I am. I wouldn't do that for just anyone, but I like her. Not only is she physically appealing, but she also is intelligent (recent undergrad and verified by me), but polite and not selfish. And is also willing to please. All around nice girl.

I don't have a hard monthly budget as of yet.

Good point and that is what is kind of happening. I have my information out there, but I really don't want to close, because time is keeping me from seeing all of them, but I would like to keep them on the back burner though.

I do like the thrill of fucking new pussy, so today I might say I'm content, but next week or month I might start to get tired of the same pussy even though the model and the model type girls are hot. I do know that from being married to a hot Asian for 2 1/2 years, but living together for five that pussy can get old no matter how hot the woman is. That is just my feeling on the situation, so it won't surprise me if I get back to dabbling in the bowl after awhile.

I have the 33 yr old writer, but with our schedules I see so little of her I can't really say she is in my lineup. I haven't yet cut loose the Senior and Asian Grad student.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=MikeJones1962;2625825]Greetings fellow mongers. I did not see this section of the USASG site until now. I have been wondering if a discussion thread existed. I have been active on the SA site for a bit over two months now. It has been fruitful insofar as I have had a lot of good encounters. Briefly my experience is as follows: Lots of messaging to set up a date, frequent no- shows, some are not-as-advertised-- BUT generally pics are accurate; when I did find SB, usually was a good encounter. Has cost me shit tons of money, but once all is said and done, I have been able to find several in RVA that are good-quality GFE, willing to do whatever at or near the upper end of BP girl pricing. I currently have a couple on "retainer" . I also have a fellow monger on the site and we exchange information. This has been highly useful. Generally, we are looking for "per visit" girls. Prices have varied, and I am sure I have paid too much, but am learning that good quality is out there for a reasonable price, if you are willing to take the time to sort the SB out. I wish you all well with your monger-related activities and will be following this thread.[/QUOTE]Welcome to our group Mike. I would suggest you take some time and read thru the thread and absorb what has been posted here. It will not only save you hobby dollars, but it will help you hone your negotiating skills with the SB's and refine your search methods. Lots of really good information here. Good luck.

This was what a baby said she was looking for below. Nothing like an "oh by the way" moment.

"I'm a dreamer, explorer, and a tad bit of a slacker. New experiences thrill me while monotony bores me. I adore food, art, and a good man who knows how to take charge. The people I encounter in life that appreciate nature, crypto currency, and enjoys the eccentric earns bonus points. I am HIV positive so if you are also that +++".

I went on SA tonight, and when I got to the second POT I saved as a favorite, I had to remind myself to stop. I was supposed to cool it for awhile, and enjoy the babies I have in play. This literally is an addiction.

On a side note I was supposed to go and meet my 22 yr old model tomorrow. I couldn't book the hotel in the city we meet in, because the hotels were all booked. I found one outside the city, but it would require her to drive an extra 50 minutes, after driving only 30 minutes. She didn't want to do it, and wanted to just meet next Wednesday that we planned ahead prior, but that was the day she was to drive to me. Now she was balking at that and wanted more money to do that. She went on the mention again that she used to get $1000 to make a two hour drive and suggested that to me LOL. I told her that we'll keep our deal to the town I meet her in, but the frequency would probably go down, but we'll see how it plays out.

I can tell you how it is going to play out. I will get my fill a little longer, then cut her loose at some point. There are too many babies out there that I can get for $150 per meeting and they're happy with it. My little 23 yr old model type jumped at the chance to take the model's place tomorrow, so it worked out in my favor at the end of the day.

As much as I love my model baby I still have "walk away power", but first let me indulge a few more times.

[QUOTE=Mike7794;2627509]I went on SA tonight, and when I got to the second POT I saved as a favorite, I had to remind myself to stop. I was supposed to cool it for awhile, and enjoy the babies I have in play. This literally is an addiction.

On a side note I was supposed to go and meet my 22 yr old model tomorrow. I couldn't book the hotel in the city we meet in, because the hotels were all booked. I found one outside the city, but it would require her to drive an extra 50 minutes, after driving only 30 minutes. She didn't want to do it, and wanted to just meet next Wednesday that we planned ahead prior, but that was the day she was to drive to me. Now she was balking at that and wanted more money to do that. She went on the mention again that she used to get $1000 to make a two hour drive and suggested that to me LOL. I told her that we'll keep our deal to the town I meet her in, but the frequency would probably go down, but we'll see how it plays out.

I can tell you how it is going to play out. I will get my fill a little longer, then cut her loose at some point. There are too many babies out there that I can get for $150 per meeting and they're happy with it. My little 23 yr old model type jumped at the chance to take the model's place tomorrow, so it worked out in my favor at the end of the day.

As much as I love my model baby I still have "walk away power", but first let me indulge a few more times.[/QUOTE]Sometimes the hunt is just as much fun as the sex. Well, maybe not as much fun but there is definitely a thrill involved. The way I see it though, as long as you're staying within your budget who cares if you're banging a new girl every week or just your stable of regulars? If it ends up costing you the same amount, I say go for it.

[QUOTE=Mike7794;2625439]My budget is pretty steady at 150 per meet with the exception of the 22 yr old model babe who is coming in at 250, and she is willing to drive to me, which cuts down on my hotel bill when she does that. She is perfectly willing to drive three hours as well as I am. I wouldn't do that for just anyone, but I like her. Not only is she physically appealing, but she also is intelligent (recent undergrad and verified by me), but polite and not selfish. And is also willing to please. All around nice girl.

I don't have a hard monthly budget as of yet.

Good point and that is what is kind of happening. I have my information out there, but I really don't want to close, because time is keeping me from seeing all of them, but I would like to keep them on the back burner though.

I do like the thrill of fucking new pussy, so today I might say I'm content, but next week or month I might start to get tired of the same pussy even though the model and the model type girls are hot. I do know that from being married to a hot Asian for 2 1/2 years, but living together for five that pussy can get old no matter how hot the woman is. That is just my feeling on the situation, so it won't surprise me if I get back to dabbling in the bowl after awhile.

I have the 33 yr old writer, but with our schedules I see so little of her I can't really say she is in my lineup. I haven't yet cut loose the Senior and Asian Grad student.[/QUOTE]I burnt out on new pussy on The Bowl a few months ago. It wasn't so much the sex, but the stuff that goes along with it. I couldn't manage to deal with so many young personalities. I can say that the bowl has made me an "alpha" as opposed to a beta.

I have a consistent SB that I adore and we're having a crack at monogamy. I have no urge to chat because the sex is fabulous. I call her vagina the "super soaker". I love this girl with all my heart, but I can tell you that knowing that the bowl and renewing my SA subscription is only a click away I wouldn't be too heartbroken if she screwed up. For now, I'm enjoying the ride and have no complaints.

On a sidenote, narrowing down to one SB has significantly cut down on expenses. We may do a trip to the mall and she'll spend maybe $500 in one trip. It averages out much cheaper than multiple M&Gs, dinner and hotels like when I first started.

[QUOTE=HoyaSvnFgr;2628389]
On a sidenote, narrowing down to one SB has significantly cut down on expenses. We may do a trip to the mall and she'll spend maybe $500 in one trip. It averages out much cheaper than multiple M&Gs, dinner and hotels like when I first started.[/QUOTE]I can definitely see this happening when I slow down. As well as I get along with my 23 yo model like baby I can't see being monogamous with someone that much younger than I, however I am feeling that she might be getting closer to me in a girlfriend kind of way.

I do get along with this one quite well. She is laid back and easy to get along with. Her attitude and manners are at a high level also. She's not demanding at all, which makes me want to do things for her.

[QUOTE=Mike7794;2628698]I can definitely see this happening when I slow down. As well as I get along with my 23 yo model like baby I can't see being monogamous with someone that much younger than I, however I am feeling that she might be getting closer to me in a girlfriend kind of way.

I do get along with this one quite well. She is laid back and easy to get along with. Her attitude and manners are at a high level also. She's not demanding at all, which makes me want to do things for her.[/QUOTE]I prefer that type of relationship with the SB. I think that's when you really benefit from the arrangement.

It helps that my SB has a submissive personality. She pouts at times, and loves crawling in my arms. She's a true "sugar BABY". Emphasis on baby. When I'm distant and unengaged I realized something. The more I refrain from trying to jump her bones, the more she works to get closer. It's become a great little game to play.

Early on I gave her more $, paid some expenses or took her shopping. Lately, I've noticed that giving gifts lends better results. It doesn't have to be too expensive, just presented nicely and as a subtle surprise. Nothing too dramatic. The last time I've done this was with a simple $80 bracelet, it resulted in her changing into one of my dress shirts and sitting on my lap with no panties. She inserts me inside and I could tell the difference immediately. It wasn't so much the wetness, but it was a moist heated massage oil type of texture. There were times I had to pull out because I wasn't sure I ejaculated or not.

That's the difference with focusing on one SB. Once you start spending quality time and understanding what makes her tick everything about it gets better. It's like opening up a Pandora's box. I'd say that the experiences after investing months of time with one baby payoff hugely in the long-term.

Perhaps, there should be a study on the dynamics of the bowl. I can't believe how many guys are miserable out there. This is better than therapy. It is quite the addiction when juggling multiple SB's. There definitely were instances when I had to check myself and stop cold turkey.

Managing one SB suits me well for now. My only problem lately is I've been seeing regular girls as SBs are them innately wanting SD / SB type relationships. It's created a magnetism I suppose because I've noticed girls have been more open to me approaching them and chatting me up. I'm still not tempted to play the field just yet. It's mainly because my SB / GF / SO vagina is still hot. It's muy es fuego actually. I'll update the bros when it starts to simmer down.

Said perfectly. One SB to GF to SO.

[QUOTE=HoyaSvnFgr;2628887]
That's the difference with focusing on one SB. Once you start spending quality time and understanding what makes her tick everything about it gets better. It's like opening up a Pandora's box. I'd say that the experiences after investing months of time with one baby payoff hugely in the long-term.

.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=HoyaSvnFgr;2628887]I prefer that type of relationship with the SB. I think that's when you really benefit from the arrangement.

It helps that my SB has a submissive personality. She pouts at times, and loves crawling in my arms. She's a true "sugar BABY". Emphasis on baby. When I'm distant and unengaged I realized something. The more I refrain from trying to jump her bones, the more she works to get closer. It's become a great little game to play.

Early on I gave her more $, paid some expenses or took her shopping. Lately, I've noticed that giving gifts lends better results. It doesn't have to be too expensive, just presented nicely and as a subtle surprise. Nothing too dramatic. The last time I've done this was with a simple $80 bracelet, it resulted in her changing into one of my dress shirts and sitting on my lap with no panties. She inserts me inside and I could tell the difference immediately. It wasn't so much the wetness, but it was a moist heated massage oil type of texture. There were times I had to pull out because I wasn't sure I ejaculated or not.

That's the difference with focusing on one SB. Once you start spending quality time and understanding what makes her tick everything about it gets better. It's like opening up a Pandora's box. I'd say that the experiences after investing months of time with one baby payoff hugely in the long-term.

Perhaps, there should be a study on the dynamics of the bowl. I can't believe how many guys are miserable out there. This is better than therapy. It is quite the addiction when juggling multiple SB's. There definitely were instances when I had to check myself and stop cold turkey.

Managing one SB suits me well for now. My only problem lately is I've been seeing regular girls as SBs are them innately wanting SD / SB type relationships. It's created a magnetism I suppose because I've noticed girls have been more open to me approaching them and chatting me up. I'm still not tempted to play the field just yet. It's mainly because my SB / GF / SO vagina is still hot. It's muy es fuego actually. I'll update the bros when it starts to simmer down.[/QUOTE]Well said Hoya.

I would agree with your submissive term. That is how my baby is, and likes to crawl in my arms as well.

The other thing is that she is quite inexperienced in many areas. One would say she's been sheltered, but in her case more of a product of a broken family where she's had to work hard to make ends meet. I don't know the whole story yet, but probably will down the road. She hasn't been to or seen many things. I am working on getting her to take off work, so I can take her to California to see a few things for about 8 or 9 days.

I'm enjoying taking care of this baby. We'll see how it plays out, but the early returns are promising.

I prefer to play with SB's but my area (SW VA) is not the gold mine some of you guys have. Typically with a SB you can find information on line about them. FB, college profile, etc. All linked to their cell phone. Once I can no longer find their info with a cell number search, I assume they have crossed over to UTR / Escort. I don't dump them from the stable immediately, but I do start looking for a replacement.

Anyone else like to keep ongoing tabs on their babies? Any other tips besides internet searches or a particular type of search?

Hound.

[QUOTE=HoundI81;2630177]I prefer to play with SB's but my area (SW VA) is not the gold mine some of you guys have. Typically with a SB you can find information on line about them. FB, college profile, etc. All linked to their cell phone. Once I can no longer find their info with a cell number search, I assume they have crossed over to UTR / Escort. I don't dump them from the stable immediately, but I do start looking for a replacement.

Anyone else like to keep ongoing tabs on their babies? Any other tips besides internet searches or a particular type of search?

Hound.[/QUOTE]What type of cell phone search do you use?

I search their number in FB, Google and any college directory if they say they are attending. Not sure of any other searches. I like to make sure I am dealing with a non-pro, unless of course I am in the mood for a UTR.

Hound.

[QUOTE=Mike7794;2630401]What type of cell phone search do you use?[/QUOTE]

Posted a SD type of AD on CL, like I have frequently. Came across this real hottie. 25, African America, slim with natural 34 DDs. She has her own biz and it affords free time during the day. Since it's not a SD relationship, she takes what I give without any complaints. I've been mixing it up with Gas money and little gifts. I cannot believe my luck on this one. She's beautiful with an awesome body and great personality. Just wanted someone to break up the boredom and give her a good screw 2 to 3 times a week. Unfortunately we cannot go to her place because of kids, so I still have hotel bills, but the sex has been great! I'm still averaging about $100-$150 per date. But one date, right after giving her $150 the day before, I gave her nothing and all was well. Then gave her more funds on the next date.

After being in the DC area for so long, I'm getting shocked by some of the prices in other places. I've gotten women in Alabama, Ohio, St. Louis and Texas to agree to between $500-$800 a month to see them 2 to 3 times a week with their own place. I need to move. In most cases that amount pays the rent and relieves a big burden off their plates, resulting in an embarrassment of SD pussy riches. At $500 per month seeing someone 3 times a week, I would not need another one and I could still give gifts without even getting close to the budget. So fellas expand your range some and you may hit a goldmine instead of gold digger.

BigTigg.

[QUOTE=HoundI81;2630625]I search their number in FB, Google and any college directory if they say they are attending. Not sure of any other searches. I like to make sure I am dealing with a non-pro, unless of course I am in the mood for a UTR.

Hound.[/QUOTE]Yeah preferably I like to deal with non pros most of the time. Either I seem to attract them, or there are a lot on the site. I don't know.

Thanks for the info. So you must be getting their last name to look them up on FB and other sites. I typically don't ask their last name. I guess I should start. The only one I was able to check was my model baby, but that was only because she offered it. I don't use FB, so that's out for me. I guess I should open an account, just so I can do a little background checking.

[QUOTE=HoundI81;2630177]I prefer to play with SB's but my area (SW VA) is not the gold mine some of you guys have. Typically with a SB you can find information on line about them. FB, college profile, etc. All linked to their cell phone. Once I can no longer find their info with a cell number search, I assume they have crossed over to UTR / Escort. I don't dump them from the stable immediately, but I do start looking for a replacement.

Anyone else like to keep ongoing tabs on their babies? Any other tips besides internet searches or a particular type of search?

Hound.[/QUOTE]I see a lot of gilsl, so figure it is only fair. Actually I started with Escorts and have worked my way back to SB's. Most of the girls I still see are BP girls,. I noticed in my town several old BP girsl from last year have made the move to SA and actually upped their rates. Business is business I guess. LOL.

I have been out of the thread a few weeks. All is going well for me. I have narrowed the field to two babies and let my SA account lapse.

My main SB is the 20 YO columbian nursing student. Smoking hot. Holy shit, I can hardly keep up. We meet weekly for 4 hours of fuckfest. She likes to be dominated.

Secondary is a 28 yo divorcee. Also smoking hot and kinky. She was a camgirl and now has moved to SA. See her every other week for an hour or two.

I also continue to see my stable of regular BP girls to till in any gaps. Meaning when I have an opening and $$ burning a hole in my pocket. I've spent a year vetting 9 regs on BP and stick with them now.

Life is good. .

I usually don't get a last name either. Do the searches with their cell number. You can search FB with a cell number. A lot of the time it pulls their profile.

[QUOTE=Mike7794;2631854]Yeah preferably I like to deal with non pros most of the time. Either I seem to attract them, or there are a lot on the site. I don't know.

Thanks for the info. So you must be getting their last name to look them up on FB and other sites. I typically don't ask their last name. I guess I should start. The only one I was able to check was my model baby, but that was only because she offered it. I don't use FB, so that's out for me. I guess I should open an account, just so I can do a little background checking.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=HoundI81;2631876]I usually don't get a last name either. Do the searches with their cell number. You can search FB with a cell number. A lot of the time it pulls their profile.[/QUOTE]I'm going to have to quit procrastinating and open a FB account just for the ability to verify what babies are telling me.

Check out the sugar baby thread index for tips on how to set one up. Lots of good information in that thread.

Hound.

[QUOTE=Mike7794;2632661]I'm going to have to quit procrastinating and open a FB account just for the ability to verify what babies are telling me.[/QUOTE]

I noticed that if I go through the SA app, I get an upgrade option for 7 days for $34.99 and some other options, like 28 days for $99.99.

If you are on a PC, you get a 30-day option fro $79.00. You don't get a 7-day option.

Anyone notice this discrepancy?

I am amazed at how readily they let you know their personal info. Part of it is generational, some of it is dopiness / naivetee.

This one DC gal works on capitol hill, told me her real first name and what state she was from. When you only have two senators and one congressman in your state, it takes all of 5 minutes to go to LinkedIn to find her real name, which leads to FB and tons of verifiable photos and other details.

In her case, I think its just being naive, but I have had plenty of others make it so easy to find them and they really don't seem to care.

[QUOTE=HoundI81;2633186]Check out the sugar baby thread index for tips on how to set one up. Lots of good information in that thread.

Hound.[/QUOTE]Yep I've been through the index many times.

It's not that I don't know how to set one up, it is more of procrastinating.

[QUOTE=ArcherSterling;2633609]I am amazed at how readily they let you know their personal info. Part of it is generational, some of it is dopiness / naivetee.

This one DC gal works on capitol hill, told me her real first name and what state she was from. When you only have two senators and one congressman in your state, it takes all of 5 minutes to go to LinkedIn to find her real name, which leads to FB and tons of verifiable photos and other details.

In her case, I think its just being naive, but I have had plenty of others make it so easy to find them and they really don't seem to care.[/QUOTE]I can recall a few instances where SB's called for a drivers license exchange. I wasn't opposed to it. This only happened with SB M&G's that had chemistry. I suppose the girls that did the DL exchange were probably thinking long-term. I really didn't see a risk in exchanging info with a girl that's been vetted and is looking for a standard SB / SD type of relationship.

I only had one SB date where I had to be an investigator. She had a cell phone disguise app and other fake names. Her vibe screamed shady. I eventually confronted her about the shadiness and she gave me her real name. I googled her and found that she had an assault charges and a couple DUi's. She was only 21. I kept it cool and didn't judge. She eventually opened up and allowed me to pick her up from her parent's home. This particular connection ended prematurely. I was new to The Bowl and was looking for freebies. We spent one night together in a hotel. She was on her cycle and only gave me a couple of blowjobs and I drove her home the next morning. She's still in my contact list. I could see giving her a call if I'm pressed in the future.

[QUOTE=ArcherSterling;2633609]I am amazed at how readily they let you know their personal info. Part of it is generational, some of it is dopiness / naivetee. This one DC gal works on capitol hill, told me her real first name and what state she was from. When you only have two senators and one congressman in your state, it takes all of 5 minutes to go to LinkedIn to find her real name, which leads to FB and tons of verifiable photos and other details. In her case, I think its just being naive, but I have had plenty of others make it so easy to find them and they really don't seem to care.[/QUOTE]There are many girls that perceive "sugar baby" as it tends to be represented in this thread -- sort of an upscale version and perhaps less risky form of escorting. They might be elusive about things like their last name, they might have multiple phone numbers and e-mail (burner phone, etc).

But what has gotten sparse coverage in this thread (I should say it's actually received a lot of resistance) is that a lot of girls perceive the idea of "sugar baby" as something very different, and something that does not remotely resemble prostitution. Sugar daddy sites have been represented in the media as a way for beautiful women to meet guys who are successful / a cut above the "regular guy" they might meet in regular dating who might have a mess of a life -- problems with money or problems even holding a job, etc. Most hot women don't have a problem with the idea of dating someone older, particularly if there is a level of perceived "financial security" that goes along with it.

So, for the category of women I've just described, there is no shame whatsoever in looking for a "sugar daddy". Some of them will even post publicly on FB about it, let it be known to their mom / dad / siblings, etc. They figure they are doing nothing wrong or illegal, and that dating a wealthy guy is something to be proud of. In their minds it is no more prostitution than just marrying up in money. This probably explains what you describe about girls that don't care to protect their anonymity. If they are only seeking a boyfriend, why be concerned with anonymity? They probably feel the biggest risk is that of encountering a clingy stalker-type, and they probably see that risk as lower with a SD type compared to what they would have to deal with if dating on [URL]match.com[/URL] or whatever.

USASG though is fundamentally a monger forum, and therefore I think there will be a monger bias on any discussions that take place here. I don't think many folks here are interested in discussing the SB culture I've just described. Even the admin has discouraged discussing this category of SBs.

I've met SBs that would be pretty much horrified if they saw how they are regarded here in this thread, or grouped in the same category as the pay-per-date type.. lol

[QUOTE=JeezLizard;2634368]
But what has gotten sparse coverage in this thread (I should say it's actually received a lot of resistance) is that a lot of girls perceive the idea of "sugar baby" as something very different, and something that does not remotely resemble prostitution. Sugar daddy sites have been represented in the media as a way for beautiful women to meet guys who are successful / a cut above the "regular guy" they might meet in regular dating who might have a mess of a life -- problems with money or problems even holding a job, etc. Most hot women don't have a problem with the idea of dating someone older, particularly if there is a level of perceived "financial security" that goes along with it.
[/QUOTE]I'd say this pretty much covers most of the SBs I have met in the past few months.

Basically -- they don't consider themselves escorts because they CHOOSE whom they sleep with and IF they sleep with them.

I have mainly seen SBs in my travels, and I make it very clear it is one time / ione night deal unless I return to their cities. You can call it pay per date or p4 p, but they very much see it as a nice date and high probability of fun. This also takes considerable up front investment of messaging and even calling to establish the chemistry that normally is checked on a M&G. Even then, the drinks need to lead to dinner (or room service if things go really well) and then to dessert.

Most 20 sometings are going out and hooking up with the hottest person they meet at the party / bar a couple of times a month.

To paraphrase Dennis Miller about Monica -- think of all the assholes you are going to blow in your life and have nothing to show for it. If you have a chance to blow the President (or a guy who will pay your rent this month) and its not against your will, go for it!

JL said it -two types 1) UTR "almost"escort and 2) Princess who "knows her worth". That excludes the out and out escorts who are here as well. Why not? What better place to find clients than a Sugar site. I have pursued SBs who I thought were looking for a Daddy like me, but who I found on Monger sites. Right now I have talked to at least 4 in my area who are obviously OK with one time PTP.

Right now I found a 10/10 Model who is a #2 --she came across blatantly as an hourly worker who has no compunction about a one time meet. I have mixed feelings about seeing her. On one hand she is a super model asking 2 X what I normally pay, but I am tempted to give her a try. But in the end I would rather bang a 7/7 twice than a 10 once. And I guarantee she will have an attitude. She is phenomenal looking for sure. Don't know yet what I will do. In the end pussy is pussy.

Got a new SB 22 who is down with my budget and weekly meet. My previous one had to take a break due to health issues. It's nice to have a fresh one to explore. She is much more sexually expressive which I like and ranks as a 7/7. 5/8/8 . I could have 3 or 4 now, but don't have the $$ for it right now.

[QUOTE=JeezLizard;2634368]
But what has gotten sparse coverage in this thread (I should say it's actually received a lot of resistance) is that a lot of girls perceive the idea of "sugar baby" as something very different, and something that does not remotely resemble prostitution. Sugar daddy sites have been represented in the media as a way for beautiful women to meet guys who are successful / a cut above the "regular guy" they might meet in regular dating who might have a mess of a life -- problems with money or problems even holding a job, etc. Most hot women don't have a problem with the idea of dating someone older, particularly if there is a level of perceived "financial security" that goes along with it.
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USASG though is fundamentally a monger forum, and therefore I think there will be a monger bias on any discussions that take place here. I don't think many folks here are interested in discussing the SB culture I've just described. Even the admin has discouraged discussing this category of SBs.

I've met SBs that would be pretty much horrified if they saw how they are regarded here in this thread, or grouped in the same category as the pay-per-date type.. lol[/QUOTE]This is the type of sugar baby I look for. Someone you can trust and have a real relationship with. With this type of girl, I really enjoy helping and spoiling. I am starting to think there might be a shelf life to this type of relationship though. Trust is so easily gained with me, and so hard to build back once its destroyed. It might be time for me to fill the bench and start interviewing for the one.

Cb.

I use the term "rich" loosely. Most of these girls are just looking for someone older and more experienced to talk to. A person that can take them away from the lifestyle of their peers. It's more of an upgrade in social standing and some added comforts.

I've met girls in a few different categories:

A) the "pros" that pressed for an allowance amount before M&G.

B) College girl, no set allowance. Good times, occasional gift or cash. Seeking "rich boyfriend".

C) 20/30 something. Not "UTR" but pressed for cash. Had a few balk at $. 50 after an overnight.

D) freak girl. Normal girl on surface, but high sex drive and some type of fetish. Met girls that like having a teddy bear in bed, girls into "daddy talk", etc.

A) and D) the girls weren't really worth my time. I ended things pretty quickly.

Option B) is the most ideal, but requires some vetting and preparing for some ups and downs. I think it's hard to determine if this girl is a gamer girl or if it's truly a "princess seeking daddy". With this girl I follow the mantra of "time will tell" but in the meantime have fun. These girls are normally serious students and not looking for a baby. This girl wants to be "kept" from a distance, but also able to share some intimate GF / BF moments.

Option C) is a fun time, but seeing the desperation for cash didn't appeal to me. Also, noticed tons of self-esteem issues with these girls. These were mostly the 20's that finished college and are living on their own and struggling to make ends meet. They're mostly your liberal arts majors. I was fortunate in sensing these girls early on. I'd suspect this is the type of girl to turn up preggars and OWN you for life.

[QUOTE=FTP1999;2633600]I noticed that if I go through the SA app, I get an upgrade option for 7 days for $34.99 and some other options, like 28 days for $99.99.

If you are on a PC, you get a 30-day option fro $79.00. You don't get a 7-day option.

Anyone notice this discrepancy?[/QUOTE]I was balking at spending $80 just to give my contact info to POTs. $35 is ok to spend to ping all the babes who joined since my last membership.

And I had no idea how to talk her down! I think I just panicked because it was a real time sort of conversation. I have been religiously reading this forum for quite some time, and in the past, the money issue has always come up either at the M&G or never. The one time it came up in an initial email back and forth, the lady got quite angry at me for wasting her time. That was the only time it happened. Well it happened again today. I actually saw a SB i liked on a SD site on another dating site (a regular one) and approached her discreetly. It was actually not too difficult to reach out, as she is pretty open about her sexuality and stuff on her page. Nevertheless, she did scold me for contacting her off the other site, but I had not choice, as I don't have a current membership to the SD site she is on. And she was sooooo hot I had to write.

Anyway, after she scolded me, she said since we were already talking, that it would be ok to discuss an arrangement. Things were informal, then she came out with a pretty big number for a per-meeting allowance. Now I have the HWG lines all prepared for emailing back and forth, but we were on a website and I just kinda lost my head and said it was too high, and apologized for wasting her time. She was cool with it. But I know I could have handled it better. I just kinda freaked out at the number. Of course in the heat of the moment I forgot I had HWG's advise on how to deal with a high number. But the convo was happening almost in real time, as we were both online on the website. Lesson learned!

Norm!

[QUOTE=NormGerd;2634858]And I had no idea how to talk her down! I think I just panicked because it was a real time sort of conversation. I have been religiously reading this forum for quite some time, and in the past, the money issue has always come up either at the M&G or never. The one time it came up in an initial email back and forth, the lady got quite angry at me for wasting her time. That was the only time it happened. Well it happened again today. I actually saw a SB i liked on a SD site on another dating site (a regular one) and approached her discreetly. It was actually not too difficult to reach out, as she is pretty open about her sexuality and stuff on her page. Nevertheless, she did scold me for contacting her off the other site, but I had not choice, as I don't have a current membership to the SD site she is on. And she was sooooo hot I had to write.

Anyway, after she scolded me, she said since we were already talking, that it would be ok to discuss an arrangement. Things were informal, then she came out with a pretty big number for a per-meeting allowance. Now I have the HWG lines all prepared for emailing back and forth, but we were on a website and I just kinda lost my head and said it was too high, and apologized for wasting her time. She was cool with it. But I know I could have handled it better. I just kinda freaked out at the number. Of course in the heat of the moment I forgot I had HWG's advise on how to deal with a high number. But the convo was happening almost in real time, as we were both online on the website. Lesson learned!

Norm![/QUOTE]It's helpful to get to the point where negotiating down comes natural. HWG's lines work very well for me. As a sales rep for over 37 years, I also have my own skills at that. Don't get flustered or discouraged by a high number. Most of them are full of shit. If they had someone giving them that kind of donation, they wouldn't be talking to us. I don't get into long negotiations. If they can't accept my offer, I move on. There are plenty more where they came from that will jump all over what you offer.

I have had girls ask for 5 k / month to meet once a week and also 500-1000/ meet. I always tell them it is too high and wish them well. Many ask for 250-400 - those can be talked down. I never pay more than 150. I have a few who agreed to 100 but always flaked on meets. The point is to assert you have been doing this forever and you always paid X. Stay firm. Also you have to be flexible and close the deal soon. Once they fuck you for 100 or 150 then they cannot go up. Sooner or later they will need cash again and they will go with the known person (you) than a new guy.

Good luck,

Vox out.

[QUOTE=FyrGuy33;2635012]It's helpful to get to the point where negotiating down comes natural. HWG's lines work very well for me. As a sales rep for over 37 years, I also have my own skills at that. Don't get flustered or discouraged by a high number. Most of them are full of shit. If they had someone giving them that kind of donation, they wouldn't be talking to us. I don't get into long negotiations. If they can't accept my offer, I move on. There are plenty more where they came from that will jump all over what you offer.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=ArcherSterling;2634579]To paraphrase Dennis Miller about Monica -- think of all the assholes you are going to blow in your life and have nothing to show for it. If you have a chance to blow the President (or a guy who will pay your rent this month) and its not against your will, go for it![/QUOTE]That was a Classic.

[QUOTE=FredMoore;2634583]JL said it -two types 1) UTR "almost"escort and 2) Princess who "knows her worth". That excludes the out and out escorts who are here as well. Why not? What better place to find clients than a Sugar site. I have pursued SBs who I thought were looking for a Daddy like me, but who I found on Monger sites. Right now I have talked to at least 4 in my area who are obviously OK with one time PTP.

Right now I found a 10/10 Model who is a #2 --she came across blatantly as an hourly worker who has no compunction about a one time meet. I have mixed feelings about seeing her. On one hand she is a super model asking 2 X what I normally pay, but I am tempted to give her a try. But in the end I would rather bang a 7/7 twice than a 10 once. And I guarantee she will have an attitude. She is phenomenal looking for sure. Don't know yet what I will do. In the end pussy is pussy.

Got a new SB 22 who is down with my budget and weekly meet. My previous one had to take a break due to health issues. It's nice to have a fresh one to explore. She is much more sexually expressive which I like and ranks as a 7/7. 5/8/8 . I could have 3 or 4 now, but don't have the $$ for it right now.[/QUOTE]

Regarding banging a 10 once compared to banging a 7 twice. I'm coming to that conclusion now with my 22 yo model baby. I have a near model looking 22 yo, and I get her for my normal price. And a third 24 yo baby that is probably a 7. 5 for again my normal price. I think my model baby is going to turn into a once a month meeting more on the escort level. I have come to the conclusion she goes to Vegas to escort periodically anyway, so I can just put her in that category and do her when I have the feeling to instead of having her in my lineup.

Im really liking my 22 yo who is a 9 and my 7.5 24 yo. Im pretty content right now. The 22 yo Im really liking right now and enjoy spoiling her. I like the relationship. The 24 yo is very new as we just had our M & G just a few days ago. We are having our first meeting today, so well see how it goes. I do have high hopes for this one too. Having a good relationship with two would be ideal for me at this time. I would like to settle in with just two for a while.

On a side note my ex baby who is a senior text me and wants to see me. Probably more that she needs a little monetary help more than anything, but thats okay.

[QUOTE=FTP1999;2633600]I noticed that if I go through the SA app, I get an upgrade option for 7 days for $34.99 and some other options, like 28 days for $99.99.

If you are on a PC, you get a 30-day option fro $79.00. You don't get a 7-day option.

Anyone notice this discrepancy?[/QUOTE]Is this app available for iphones? Once you sign up for the 7 day option, can you then access the site from your PC? My profile expired a week ago, but there are a few stragglers that I'd like to contact if possible.

Thanks,

Scott.

[QUOTE=HoyaSvnFgr;2634826] Most of these girls are just looking for someone older and more experienced to talk to. [/QUOTE]Your Category Cs also like men who are more experienced in bed. Think how lousy a lay you were in your 20's. Guys are probably more selfish and stupid now since it is so easy to hook up and frequent random hook ups don't lead to learning about your partners wants and needs.

Plus I have amazed myself at truly believing that many of these women are looking for advice / counseling / mentoring. Thought it was just something they wrote in their p;rofiles to convince themselves they are not escorts.

[QUOTE=ArcherSterling;2635415]Plus I have amazed myself at truly believing that many of these women are looking for advice / counseling / mentoring. Thought it was just something they wrote in their p;rofiles to convince themselves they are not escorts.[/QUOTE]Sometimes the ones with absent-daddy syndrome, that are driven to replace the role that their real dad didn't play in their life, are the most fun. They've got an extra motivational factor that outweighs the monetary support. Take that factor, and combine it with the fact that career success on a man is a natural aphrodisiac in itself, in their minds. Success on a male is the equivalent of a perfect ass on a female, its hard to pass up.

This is one reason I don't like to discuss amounts with them. Dangling external motivators like cash creates a distraction that makes it harder for the intrinsic motivators like the above to flourish.