General Reports

[QUOTE=Rexkirby00]Try Mia Amore. She prefers contact via email. Damages are $$$ or so. It depends on what else you want from the menu. She is more the MILF type instead of a spinner. Very nice personality, in my opinion. There are some reports about her on the forum. Some good, some not as nice. You'll have to make up your own mind. She is in Mililani.

Stay safe,

Rk[/QUOTE]
I second that opinion and raise it 2 dildos. Mia is the most kinky and fun ladies out there. She's not a fashion statement or anywhere near a spinner. She is an average looking lady on the big side. What she lacks on looks, she more than makes up with service, attitude, and desire to please. You can fulfill a lot of your curiosities and fetishes with one visit. No one on this forum has a right to mouth, until they survived a full blown session with Mia. She won't be your best, but she'll be memorable and put a crooked smile on your face. IMHO. TX.

[QUOTE=Sancho2063]Since the funds have been tight I have been checking out these sites:

[url]http://www.livejasmin.com/listpage.php?tags=mature&type=40[/url]

[url]http://www.livejasmin.com/listpage.php?tags=girl&type=40[/url]

I'm headed to the Philippines in Dec and have a couple of telephone numbers of some ladies that I have met on there. I have been talking with Cel both by phone and YM Some of them are real sweet and appear to be looking for some fun. I have been talking with Cel both by phone and YM. If she falls through I know there are plenty of others there.[/QUOTE]My computer's security system black screens these sites as dirty (virus, and a unsafe site to be on) check your p.c. for viruses and other things!

[QUOTE=Talon X]I second that opinion and raise it 2 dildos. Mia is the most kinky and fun ladies out there. She's not a fashion statement or anywhere near a spinner. She is an average looking lady on the big side. What she lacks on looks, she more than makes up with service, attitude, and desire to please. You can fulfill a lot of your curiosities and fetishes with one visit. No one on this forum has a right to mouth, until they survived a full blown session with Mia. She won't be your best, but she'll be memorable and put a crooked smile on your face. IMHO. TX.[/QUOTE]Ditto, 2nd that motion from Braddah T

Mia is a great lady, again, YMMV, depends on mood for both parties. She just wants to full fill your desires.

She put a a few smiles on my face

Treat her good ladies

K

Just thought I'd report on Oceans.
Anyway, I parked across the street, didn't know about the validated parking.
I first checked out the shops there at restaurant row, just in case I needed to buy something from there one day. A Toga party was going on and I was not up to dress code. So I either had to go in and put a toga on or have my martini's at the Martini Bar outside.
There was a couple of gals (tina and maile) sitting at a table just outside the club, so I just started to talk to them. It seems that they were in the club earlier and left when the cover charge ($10) kicked in. I told them I was there for couple of drinks and if they wanted to join me. I guess free drinks are always a draw.
Anyway when I drink, I get amorous. And they seemed to go along with it.
After a couple of drinks, the mood at that point was getting very relaxed
and loose with the touching and hand squeezing which they returned. We were getting so friendly and the atmosphere carefree, that I just started kissing Tina's hand. And then Maile joined in. After a while of this touchy feely, and more drinks, I jokingly mentioned a threesome, Tina said, let's go. Maile was hesitant but tina talked Maile into it, while I was kissing her arm. The drinks helped also. This was the second time in my life where this happened. The first time was with two sisters about 20 years ago. Anyway, I took them to the same place I took the sisters. The Airport Marina Hotel (cheap). Its really nice when you have tits and ass all over the place.
I just dropped them off in Pearl City, and went home to write this. Its about 9am the next morning.
The next time, I'll dress up for Oceans Club, maybe I'll make it in then.


The very excellent.....

Excellent Dude

[QUOTE=Excellent Dude]Just thought I'd report on Oceans.

Anyway I parked across the street, didn't know about the validated parking. I first checked out the shops there at restaurant row, just in case I needed to buy something from there one day. A Toga party was going on and I was not up to dress code. So I either had to go in and put a toga on or have my martini's at the Martini Bar outside.

There was a couple of gals (tina and maile) sitting at a table just outside the club, so I just started to talk to them. It seems that they were in the club earlier and left when the cover charge ($10) kicked in. I told them I was there for couple of drinks and if they wanted to join me. I guess free drinks are always a draw.

Anyway when I drink, I get amorous. And they seemed to go along with it.

After a couple of drinks, the mood at that point was getting very relaxed and loose with the touching and hand squeezing which they returned. We were getting so friendly and the atmosphere carefree that I just started kissing Tina's hand. And then Maile joined in. After a while of this touchy feely, and more drinks, I jokingly mentioned a threesome, Tina said, let's go, maile was hesitant but tina talked Maile into it, while I was kissing her arm. The drinks helped also. This was the second time in my life where this happened. The first time was with two sisters about 20 years ago. Anyway, I took them to the same place I took the sisters. The Airport Marina Hotel (cheap). Its really nice when you have tits and ass all over the place.

I just dropped them off in Pearl City, and went home to write this. Its about 9am the next morning.

The next time I'll dress up for Oceans Club, maybe I'll make it in then.

The very excellent.

Excellent Dude[/QUOTE]Yo E-D. You are the man! Very consistent methodology. Enjoyed your report. I guess one can still get lucky around here. So you were out what? The cost for the drinks and the room? Good work brother!

[QUOTE=Excellent Dude]Just thought I'd report on Oceans.
Anyway I parked across the street, didn't know about the validated parking.
I first checked out the shops there at restaurant row, just in case I needed to buy something from there one day. A Toga party was going on and I was not up to dress code. So I either had to go in and put a toga on or have my martini's at the Martini Bar outside.
There was a couple of gals (tina and maile) sitting at a table just outside the club, so I just started to talk to them. It seems that they were in the club earlier and left when the cover charge ($10) kicked in. I told them I was there for couple of drinks and if they wanted to join me. I guess free drinks are always a draw.
Anyway when I drink, I get amorous. And they seemed to go along with it.
After a couple of drinks, the mood at that point was getting very relaxed
and loose with the touching and hand squeezing which they returned. We were getting so friendly and the atmosphere carefree that I just started kissing Tina's hand. And then Maile joined in. After a while of this touchy feely, and more drinks, I jokingly mentioned a threesome, Tina said, let's go, maile was hesitant but tina talked Maile into it, while I was kissing her arm. The drinks helped also. This was the second time in my life where this happened. The first time was with two sisters about 20 years ago. Anyway, I took them to the same place I took the sisters. The Airport Marina Hotel (cheap). Its really nice when you have tits and ass all over the place.
I just dropped them off in Pearl City, and went home to write this. Its about 9am the next morning.
The next time I'll dress up for Oceans Club, maybe I'll make it in then.


The very excellent.....

Excellent Dude[/QUOTE]


You are my idol!

Shouldn't this kind of report be in the "Not your typical place for services rendered!" or "Freebies" threads? Just wondering cuz I'm anal.

[QUOTE=Excellent Dude]Just thought I'd report on Oceans.
Anyway, I parked across the street, didn't know about the validated parking.
I first checked out the shops there at restaurant row, just in case I needed to buy something from there one day. A Toga party was going on and I was not up to dress code. So I either had to go in and put a toga on or have my martini's at the Martini Bar outside.
There was a couple of gals (tina and maile) sitting at a table just outside the club, so I just started to talk to them. It seems that they were in the club earlier and left when the cover charge ($10) kicked in. I told them I was there for couple of drinks and if they wanted to join me. I guess free drinks are always a draw.
Anyway when I drink, I get amorous. And they seemed to go along with it.
After a couple of drinks, the mood at that point was getting very relaxed
and loose with the touching and hand squeezing which they returned. We were getting so friendly and the atmosphere carefree, that I just started kissing Tina's hand. And then Maile joined in. After a while of this touchy feely, and more drinks, I jokingly mentioned a threesome, Tina said, let's go. Maile was hesitant but tina talked Maile into it, while I was kissing her arm. The drinks helped also. This was the second time in my life where this happened. The first time was with two sisters about 20 years ago. Anyway, I took them to the same place I took the sisters. The Airport Marina Hotel (cheap). Its really nice when you have tits and ass all over the place.
I just dropped them off in Pearl City, and went home to write this. Its about 9am the next morning.
The next time, I'll dress up for Oceans Club, maybe I'll make it in then.


The very excellent.....

Excellent Dude[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Excellent Dude]Anyway when I drink, I get amorous.[/QUOTE]

HAHA! Story of my AMP career right there.

Excellent, excellent dude!

H

[QUOTE=Excellent Dude]Just thought I'd report on Oceans.
Anyway, I parked across the street, didn't know about the validated parking.
I first checked out the shops there at restaurant row, just in case I needed to buy something from there one day. A Toga party was going on and I was not up to dress code. So I either had to go in and put a toga on or have my martini's at the Martini Bar outside.
There was a couple of gals (tina and maile) sitting at a table just outside the club, so I just started to talk to them. It seems that they were in the club earlier and left when the cover charge ($10) kicked in. I told them I was there for couple of drinks and if they wanted to join me. I guess free drinks are always a draw.
Anyway when I drink, I get amorous. And they seemed to go along with it.
After a couple of drinks, the mood at that point was getting very relaxed
and loose with the touching and hand squeezing which they returned. We were getting so friendly and the atmosphere carefree, that I just started kissing Tina's hand. And then Maile joined in. After a while of this touchy feely, and more drinks, I jokingly mentioned a threesome, Tina said, let's go. Maile was hesitant but tina talked Maile into it, while I was kissing her arm. The drinks helped also. This was the second time in my life where this happened. The first time was with two sisters about 20 years ago. Anyway, I took them to the same place I took the sisters. The Airport Marina Hotel (cheap). Its really nice when you have tits and ass all over the place.
I just dropped them off in Pearl City, and went home to write this. Its about 9am the next morning.
The next time, I'll dress up for Oceans Club, maybe I'll make it in then.

The very excellent.....

Excellent Dude[/QUOTE]


[QUOTE=Kalani69]Shouldn't this kind of report be in the "Not your typical place for services rendered!" or "Freebies" threads? Just wondering cuz I'm anal.[/QUOTE]
Either of those threads would be appropriate I guess; so would General Reports. Not really much difference, IMO. But getting to the main point, I salute Excellent Dude for scoring big time with those two ladies. That's quite an accomplishment.

[QUOTE=Excellent Dude]Just thought I'd report on Oceans.
A Toga party was going on and I was not up to dress code. So I either had to go in and put a toga on or have my martini's at the Martini Bar outside.
[/QUOTE]

Makes me wonder what woulda happened if he put that toga on and went in, how many chicks he woulda scored.

[QUOTE=Makana9]GS is here off and on, not as much as before "economy sucks"

Good ole Milf, still surfs and visits when she in town.

Yeah, typical Cali girl.

If you catch her right, a squirter you will have, and she goes G***k in mulitple Pos. You just need to let her know if that is what you want on the menu.

Try the wheelbarrow G, you will thank me later.

k[/QUOTE]I just checked CV and discovered that Ginger Spice is due to arrive in Honolulu.

I've seen her several times in the past and have always looked forward to my time with her. So, I made a phonecall and Ginger told me that she should be arriving sometime tomorrow.

So, if you're into Greek, you can spend some time with her after tomorrow when she gets here.

Had a date with a beautiful woman tonight in Waikiki. She's here this week and can be located in CL at [url]http://honolulu.craigslist.org/oah/ads/1447398165.html[/url].

Pic's real, she gave me a warm welcome and a nice, albeit short, massage. A strong and friendly hug left me relaxed in her charming arms. Highly recommend; 8/10/8 on the scale. She loves the military and it shows!

If she's not to your liking, she does have many friends to introduce you to.

God I love paradise!

[QUOTE=Niceguy808]I just checked CV and discovered that Ginger Spice is due to arrive in Honolulu.

I've seen her several times in the past and have always looked forward to my time with her. So, I made a phonecall and Ginger told me that she should be arriving sometime tomorrow.

So, if you're into Greek, you can spend some time with her after tomorrow when she gets here.[/QUOTE]What's "CV"?

And I LOVE Greek.

Any idea of what kind of damage to expect? $$$

Mahaloz!

[QUOTE=Pineapple Kid]What's "CV"?

And I LOVE Greek.

Any idea of what kind of damage to expect? $$$

Mahaloz![/QUOTE]

Probably C i t y V i b e.

So was walking back to my car near Ward Center this afternoon and had these two skinny bobora chicks; one had long pants on and was on her phone and the other, who had Real short shorts on, was just cruising. Both had huge shades on so couldn't see the eyes. The shorts were so short could see her buns, and I was trying not to stare. The one on the phone flagged my down; it was Miho from Evergreen.

She was pretty friendly, flirting/spanking my ass, seems she is discouraged cuz it's so slow (I remarked that she's never there when I want to see her). She didn't have any makeup on, so I was surprised she even flagged me. Her friend wasn't pretty but had severely suckable buns. So I asked if she was gonna introduce her friend to hostessing but she said no. Bummer. With expert makeup she could be a hottie (most hotties are almost unrecognizable w/out their makeup). That's the nicest ass I've seen outside the bars in awhile.

Anyway I haven't been there in a while, and some of you might be interested in the "view" around there.

[QUOTE=H Mobius]Probably C i t y V i b e.

So was walking back to my car near Ward Center this afternoon and had these two skinny bobora chicks; one had long pants on and was on her phone and the other, who had Real short shorts on, was just cruising. Both had huge shades on so couldn't see the eyes. The shorts were so short could see her buns, and I was trying not to stare. The one on the phone flagged my down; it was Miho from Evergreen.

She was pretty friendly, flirting/spanking my ass, seems she is discouraged cuz it's so slow (I remarked that she's never there when I want to see her). She didn't have any makeup on, so I was surprised she even flagged me. Her friend wasn't pretty but had severely suckable buns. So I asked if she was gonna introduce her friend to hostessing but she said no. Bummer. With expert makeup she could be a hottie (most hotties are almost unrecognizable w/out their makeup). That's the nicest ass I've seen outside the bars in awhile.

Anyway I haven't been there in a while, and some of you might be interested in the "view" around there.[/QUOTE]Mahaloz H.M.!

Keep working on her, maybe she'll bring her friend into the business!

[QUOTE=Pineapple Kid]What's "CV"?

And I LOVE Greek.

Any idea of what kind of damage to expect? $$$

Mahaloz![/QUOTE]


Just checked out her review on TER, and it says:
Escort Incall 60 minutes $$$
Escort & Greek 60 minutes $$$$
Escort Outcall 60 minutes $$$$
Escort Incall 30 minutes $$

Her prices are reasonable, and if she does come to the outer island I might have to partake. I'm not really into blonde's but if she's going to give 1hr w/greek service, for the above price, I'm game....

Posting this here because these places and providers are well known and for info for the newbies.

Got a settlement so I went to a few of my favorite places in a couple of weeks.

Went to Mina -Jap Massage, good massage good HJ she knows me so I get DFK and I asked about FS said to bring a condom next time. $

Mimiko-Excel, probably my favorite provider. RIM BBBJ CFS LK .5 /$.5 Mimiko really likes to massage before then moves on to FS. It must excite her, I ve seen her so many times sometimes I try to go straight to FS but she insists on giving a massage first. Then after FS she finishes you off with a head and shoulder massage.

Tomiko-Top Floor. Top Floor is what I call my home base, always get good service there. Tomiko knows me well always asks why I dont visit her more. She does not waste any time. Self shower although I have showered with her, then straight to BBBJ, (Execellent BBBJ) CG finished MISH. Then as always talk story afterwards. Tomiko likes to joke around and talk story before and after.

Audios and aloha

I was wondering why PT's entrance is so wide open when every other place I hear about or have been to has a lock on the door. Do they have some kind of special arrangement? I saw that they have a camera system facing the outside so maybe they have extra warning time for the raids. Just curious.

WMS

Having lived with AMP owners who were also Licensed therapists on the east coast, I have some experience with Massage Parlor Laws in Maryland and in DC.
The largest overwhelming and problematic situation that an owner or in the case of Hawaii, the Principal Massage Therapist has is controlling their therapists, be them licensed, apprentice or whatever.
Living with an amp owner is in itself a trying experience. One of my owners didn't work, but was still responsible for her girls.

Late hours. Her being with other men and not knowing what really goes on behind closed doors, was a problem. I later found out, that I really didn't have anything to worry about.
Of course, living with a new amp owner, is doubly frustrating.
Anyway, the inevitable happens, and she gets raided. She believes a disgruntled employee falsely turns her in. One of her therapists allegedly did an impropriety with a cop.
Now in Maryland, there are clues that tell the amp owner that the customer is a cop. Police in Maryland cannot totally disrobe. Total disrobing, is considered entrapment there.
Because I was in business for a number of years, and the nature of this business took me into court a number of times, on money issues, I was able to coach her on what to say in court.
Anyway, court time comes, about three months later. And the judge rules that the massage parlor owner/supervisor cannot possibly supervise all her employees all of the time and dismisses the case. Which is a practical
and honest assumption. And she is free to go.
Now, I believe that a Principal Massage Therapist at best and for all practical purposes, has one hand tied behind his/her back and can simply oversee to the best of their ability. Being in a room 100% of the time with many therapists is at best impossible.
For instance, in the case of a construction RME. He also has to supervise the area of his expertise. But an RME doesn't have to be there 100% of the time. He can look over bids after they are put together, before presentation, and at times visit sites for improprieties. This is acceptable practice. In theory, he should be at all the sites all the time. Not possible. For example, if an employee gets caught selling dope on a site, is the RME responsible. Not hardly. His name doesn't even come up in court.

The Principal Massage Therapist is at best the Scheduler and Trainer of Massage. Any illegal activities by therapists shouldn't be in his/her domain. I feel that the State/local government is shrugging their societal problems on innocent hard working individuals.
Judges and State Boards need to realize this!


The very humble,

Excellent Dude

Looks like Mardi Gras in Honolulu is just around the corner. I really am looking

forward to attending that MardiGras bash downtown.

Can anybody tell me where I can go to check out the Dancers during their

practice rehearsals.

I wouldn't mind picking up on some Samba tips. I was to the New Orleans

Mardi Gras several times but did not see any Brazilian Dance groups. In

college I took up Ballroom dancing, picked up an A and just had a ball. Met a

lot of wahines in the process. And thought that this would be a way of

getting back into it.

Anyway, last years bash really impressed me. Especially a couple of asian

dancers that looked really nice. Maybe that's my motivation.

One of the dancers reminded me of Junko over at University. Thought I

might take a shot at her.

Who knows, I might get lucky.......


Da Show

I happen to be visiting here from the East Coast and would like to see that myself.
When is this happening and exactly where might this be.

Somebody said it was a Block Party type thing. Hope I can make that.

[QUOTE=Excellent Dude]
Now in Maryland, there are clues that tell the amp owner that the customer is a cop. Police in Maryland cannot totally disrobe. Total disrobing, is considered entrapment there.

Excellent Dude[/QUOTE]


Always meant to ask this, and since ED is on the subject...what are the scenarios in Hawaii laws that would constitute entrapment? If you ask a Ho if she's a cop, and she says no and later busts you for setting up a deal, is that entrapment? Stuff like that.

Looks like I might head over to Oceans Friday night. Never made it in the last time.

Will try to dress up this time. Will keep my fingers crossed.

Hope the martini's are as good inside as they were outside.

Anyway, thought I fell for a new lady. These things hardly ever

work out. Hope she changes her mind. Everythings cool.

E. Dude

[QUOTE=Alohashorts]Always meant to ask this, and since ED is on the subject...what are the scenarios in Hawaii laws that would constitute entrapment? If you ask a Ho if she's a cop, and she says no and later busts you for setting up a deal, is that entrapment? Stuff like that.[/QUOTE]

The legal doctrine of entrapment is a bit more complicated than most people realize. In a nutshell, the police/government can't do anything that would induce an ordinary, law-abiding citizen to commit a crime that he/she wouldn't commit were it not for the actions of the police.

Having a decoy stroll the sidewalk is not entrapment, no matter how she's dressed. The ordinary, law-abiding citizen (it is presumed) wouldn't solicit a prostitute. Dangling bait in front of you isn't entrapment. If you take that bait, it's all on you. If you approach the girl, initiate contact, and negotiate the deal, there's no entrapment. If the decoy were to aggressively flag you down, initiate contact, start negotiating, and make the offer of a sex act in exchange for money, then you might have an entrapment defense. The more aggressive the decoy is in trying to negotiate, the better your chances. It has to look like you're a poor innocent citizen who normally would never do such a thing, minding your own business, when this woman starts aggressively trying to make the sale and, in essense, wears down your resistance to the point where you give in to temptation. Entrapment defenses are very difficult for you to prove, and very easy for the cops to avoid. They will never try to flag you down, they'll wait for you to approach them. They will never initiate the deal, they'll try and maneuver you into negotiating. They will never be the first one to mention either sex or money, they'll try and get you to do that.

Even if you do have the makings of an entrapment defense, there are some elements that can trip you up. If the prosecutor can show that you were somehow predisposed to commit the crime, then your entrapment argument goes out the window. How could they do that? Well, one example would be if the police observed you circling the block on Kukui multiple times for half an hour before you made contact with the decoy, you'd better have a very convincing explanation of why you were driving around, otherwise it could be considered evidence that you were "cruising" for a "date." That could undermine your defense. If you are observed approaching and talking to several girls over a period of time, trying to find the right one, or the right terms, that's evidence that you were looking to do the deed. And if you have any prior arrests/convictions for soliciting, forget it! That, by itself, proves that you were predisposed to commit the crime.

Oh, and asking the decoy if she's a cop is a waste of time. Cops are allowed to lie to you during undercover operations, and that does not constitute entrapment. For entrapment, you have to show that the police pressured you in such a way that you agreed to commit the crime when you would never have done so without that pressure.

CA

DISCLAIMER: I am not a lawyer, but I have mongered in a Holiday Inn Express.

Yes but the whole decoy thing still seems like it's in violation of an american's basic constitutional right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.

This could be interpreted as a serious violation. Any laws/action by anyone or any organization in this area of life seems in direct violation of the constitution.

The above seems a logical assumption.

Of course, anything can easily be twisted out of it's context by the needs of the political legal system.

Still doesn't make it right.


Also, and I quote C.A.,

"In a nutshell, the police/government can't do anything that would induce an ordinary, law-abiding citizen to commit a crime that he/she wouldn't commit were it not for the actions of the police".

C.A. the above statement has happened a million times over.

What! Why is the law in some sort of distant LaLa land?

As I've said above, "anything can easily be twisted out of it's context by the needs of the political legal system".

My brothers...there is a simple explanation as to why this "hobby" is illegal. It is simply due to the fact that these so called "moral" politicians, who see to it that we have laws and personnel to "protect" us, cannot tax and collect from these hard working young women who provide a great service. Unfortunately human physiology, morality, government and taxation cannot coexist in our mongering world.

Woe is me for not being able to partake in the fun for a
while. Economy and thin wallet syndrome have left me one the sidelines for a while. Hope to go SOMEPLACE soon and report lol. Hope you all have a wonderful weekend!

My 2sense. Thanks for reading. Tear it up as you will.

Stay frosty,
Kaminari

I've been trying for a long time but to no avail.

Search "Japanese Call Girl" in google video or on youporn/redtube.
The video has been floating around the internet for several years but I could never find out the name of the AV actress.

Anyone know who that AV chick is...? If anyone knows, thanks in advance.

[QUOTE=Kaminari]My brothers...there is a simple explanation as to why this "hobby" is illegal. It is simply due to the fact that these so called "moral" politicians, who see to it that we have laws and personnel to "protect" us, cannot tax and collect from these hard working young women who provide a great service. Unfortunately human physiology, morality, government and taxation cannot coexist in our mongering world.[/QUOTE]

Simply not true, Brother Kaminari. Prostitution is legal and taxed quite effectively in the Nevada brothels. However, I definitely would NOT want to see that particular system imposed in other states for various reasons. I favor "decriminalization" rather than "legalization." With decriminalization, you simply repeal the anti-prostitution laws on the books (with the exception of those against forcing someone to be a prostitute). It then becomes an unregulated business (other than taxation), just like any other business. With legalization, you set up a system similar to Nevada's with licensing and regulations. If you allow regulation, you open the door to "back-door" attempts at eliminating prostitution by coming up with such strict and complex regulations that it's difficult to follow them all.

Prostitution is illegal because of the excessive influence of religion in politics. Sexual morality is largely defined by religious beliefs. That means that laws regulating sexual morality are imposing a particular set of religious values on the general population. Isn't that supposed to be a violation of the First Amendment's "anti-establishment" clause?

We can take a lesson from Rhode Island. The only state in the union where prostitution is legal.
The Canadians have it down as legal, too.

Anybody want to do any research, as to how things are done in both places.

I've been to both places. And it seemed like things were similar and different to us.

[QUOTE=Showboatt]Yes but the whole decoy thing still seems like it's in violation of an american's basic constitutional right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.[/QUOTE]

That's a novel argument, but wouldn't get you very far. For starters, the right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness isn't enshrined in the U.S. Constitution. It's in the opening of the Declaration of Independence. Even so, the pursuit of happiness, like any other right, isn't absolute. Yes, bangin' hoes makes us happy. So what? Raping and murdering makes some sickos happy. Should that be made legal, then? Obviously not! Even those rights spelled out in the Bill of Rights aren't absolute. We have freedom of speech, yet you can't yell "fire!" in a crowded movie house. You can't make public statements about someone that you know to be false. That's called slander. We have freedom of the press, but you can't publish statements about someone that you know to be false. It's called libel. We have the right to bear arms, yet laws regulating firearms are allowed. The point is, as long as prostitution is illegal, you don't have the right to solicit them, even if you consider that to be pursuing happiness.

You don't like sting operations and decoys. I don't either. I don't like the government making laws regulating my sexual morality (see my previous post). I seriously question the legal basis upon which these laws are made. I don't think the government legitimately has the power and authority to make such laws, but until the courts rule that they don't, they'll continue to do so. I don't like it one bit, but it's a fact of life that we all have to live with until enough people take a stand and challenge the government's right to legislate morality. Some have tried, but they're too few, and too isolated to succeed. How many of us are willing to stand up, publicly, and demand the repeal of prostitution laws, the infamous Andy Mirikitani "anti-lap-dance" law, etc.? Most of us aren't in a position to take the hit from the publicity and backlash from doing something like that.

[QUOTE]Also, and I quote C.A.,

"In a nutshell, the police/government can't do anything that would induce an ordinary, law-abiding citizen to commit a crime that he/she wouldn't commit were it not for the actions of the police".

C.A. the above statement has happened a million times over.[/QUOTE]

I can't agree with you. The word "induce" was deliberately chosen. It rises well above something like "enticement." Decoys are definitely enticing. That's why they use them. But enticing you to solicit a prostitute isn't entrapment. You may want to define it that way, but the law does not. "Inducing" is closer to "pressuring" or "coercing" someone. To constitute entrapment, as the legal system defines it, the police would have to use some pretty heavy-handed tactics to twist your arm and get you to do something that you would never do on your own. The decoys never force you to pull over and talk to them. You choose to do that. They don't force you to negotiate an exchange of a sex act for money or other consideration, you choose to do that. If the decoy is the first to name an act and an amount, then you have the makings of an entrapment defense, unless they can show that you were predisposed to commit the crime. If you ask for sex and offer an amount to the decoy, then you're pretty much screwed, and not in a good way. I sympathize with you. I really do! But merely having a decoy strolling the track isn't entrapment, never was, and never will be, no matter how much you want to believe that it is.

I hate to say this. But having been to other countries. People wonder why we live in a country with so many laws restricting our every move.
Even in Mexico, they wonder why mexicans wonder across the border, only to give up their freedom. We are know as the country of no freedom.

[QUOTE=Showboatt]We can take a lesson from Rhode Island. The only state in the union where prostitution is legal.
The Canadians have it down as legal, too.

Anybody want to do any research, as to how things are done in both places.

I've been to both places. And it seemed like things were similar and different to us.[/QUOTE]
You should check your facts before you get others and yourself into trouble. Rhode Island no longer has legal prostitution they closed that loophole. Only Nevada is legal and it has exceptions in Reno and Las Vegas.

It is as CA states, you have to make a stand be ready to be publicly ostricised. The reason is that it is majority rules and quite frankly we are outnumbered.

[QUOTE=Candy Addict]That's a novel argument, but wouldn't get you very far. For starters, the right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness isn't enshrined in the U.S. Constitution. It's in the opening of the Declaration of Independence. Even so, the pursuit of happiness, like any other right, isn't absolute. Yes, bangin' hoes makes us happy. So what? Raping and murdering makes some sickos happy. Should that be made legal, then? Obviously not! Even those rights spelled out in the Bill of Rights aren't absolute. We have freedom of speech, yet you can't yell "fire!" in a crowded movie house. You can't make public statements about someone that you know to be false. That's called slander. We have freedom of the press, but you can't publish statements about someone that you know to be false. It's called libel. We have the right to bear arms, yet laws regulating firearms are allowed. The point is, as long as prostitution is illegal, you don't have the right to solicit them, even if you consider that to be pursuing happiness.

You don't like sting operations and decoys. I don't either. I don't like the government making laws regulating my sexual morality (see my previous post). I seriously question the legal basis upon which these laws are made. I don't think the government legitimately has the power and authority to make such laws, but until the courts rule that they don't, they'll continue to do so. I don't like it one bit, but it's a fact of life that we all have to live with until enough people take a stand and challenge the government's right to legislate morality. Some have tried, but they're too few, and too isolated to succeed. How many of us are willing to stand up, publicly, and demand the repeal of prostitution laws, the infamous Andy Mirikitani "anti-lap-dance" law, etc.? Most of us aren't in a position to take the hit from the publicity and backlash from doing something like that.



I can't agree with you. The word "induce" was deliberately chosen. It rises well above something like "enticement." Decoys are definitely enticing. That's why they use them. But enticing you to solicit a prostitute isn't entrapment. You may want to define it that way, but the law does not. "Inducing" is closer to "pressuring" or "coercing" someone. To constitute entrapment, as the legal system defines it, the police would have to use some pretty heavy-handed tactics to twist your arm and get you to do something that you would never do on your own. The decoys never force you to pull over and talk to them. You choose to do that. They don't force you to negotiate an exchange of a sex act for money or other consideration, you choose to do that. If the decoy is the first to name an act and an amount, then you have the makings of an entrapment defense, unless they can show that you were predisposed to commit the crime. If you ask for sex and offer an amount to the decoy, then you're pretty much screwed, and not in a good way. I sympathize with you. I really do! But merely having a decoy strolling the track isn't entrapment, never was, and never will be, no matter how much you want to believe that it is.[/QUOTE]


I have to agree with you 100% CA on both your posts, people may not like it, but opinion does not matter. When dealing with the law, words are specially chosen, as the saying goes...a gentlemen says what he means and means what he says. Entice and induce may seem similar but are very different. Just as different as saying "I want you to F... me" and "I going make you F.... me."

[QUOTE=Showboatt]I hate to say this. But having been to other countries. People wonder why we live in a country with so many laws restricting our every move.
Even in Mexico, they wonder why mexicans wonder across the border, only to give up their freedom. We are know as the country of no freedom.[/QUOTE]

You are apt to also get more readily killed in mexico. I have also been to many other countries, and many are more restrictive, try living there, not just visiting before you can truly judge.

China, Japan, Singapore, Europe, Middle East, depends on what laws you are talking about. Just sex and drugs? Or overall?

One of the reason the United States as a whole is against prostitution is human trafficking, literally sex slaves, which do exists in the states believe it or not, especially in Mexico, Japan, Singapore, Middle East etc, most on this board proabably don't want to believe that it may exists here in Hawaii, if the girl wants to do this for a living I am fine, but I empathize for those who were kidnapped and coerced into the trade.

From what I understand, these girls parents or the girls themselves borrowed money from certain businessmen, in their country, and the girls are here working to pay that debt off.

A business deal, if you will.

And I would guess perfectly legal in their country.

And the girls probably accepted and agreed to the transaction before it was made.

They are basically agreeing to do this on their own volition.

You can hardly say it was beyond their will.

It probably happens here in this country. Beyond their will. And that's why, we in this country don't understand how the above agreement is possible.

Look, if these girls wanted to escape the trade, how many of us mongers would take them in.

All of us, probably.

A lot of this beyond their will thing is all a "crock of do-do".



Da Boat has spoken truth.

[QUOTE=Candy Addict]
Prostitution is illegal because of the excessive influence of religion in politics. Sexual morality is largely defined by religious beliefs. That means that laws regulating sexual morality are imposing a particular set of religious values on the general population. Isn't that supposed to be a violation of the First Amendment's "anti-establishment" clause?[/QUOTE]

This is one of the most clear cut statements I have ever read. Especially the last sentence. It blows my mind how the hypocrites go to church and then during the rest of the time do some really ______________(you fill in the blank with one of the many crappy things they do)! I'll stop right there because I don't want to offend anyone, but if you feel the same way I'd be interested to know.

[QUOTE=Showboatt]From what I understand, these girls parents or the girls themselves borrowed money from certain businessmen, in their country, and the girls are here working to pay that debt off.

A business deal, if you will.

And I would guess perfectly legal in their country.

And the girls probably accepted and agreed to the transaction before it was made.

They are basically agreeing to do this on their own volition.

You can hardly say it was beyond their will.

It probably happens here in this country. Beyond their will. And that's why, we in this country don't understand how the above agreement is possible.

Look, if these girls wanted to escape the trade, how many of us mongers would take them in.

All of us, probably.

A lot of this beyond their will thing is all a "crock of do-do".



Da Boat has spoken truth.[/QUOTE]
That is not totally true, yes some girls get off by their parents to pay a debt, but that doesn't make it legal in the countries, remember they are paying off organized crime. It is still illegal, the snakeheads, yakuza and other mafia are still smuggling a lot of these girls. I doubt you really want to take these girls in or away from these snakeheads and others as they will come after you, you willing to die for these girls? Not only you but your family, I enjoy sex but will not put my family in danger because of my indescretions. It is hardly of their own volition when someone's is going to get hurt if they don't. The reason that it may seem legal is because the police are corrupt and are paid by organized crime. why do you think Asian or Russian immigrants are afraid to talk to police in the states, because it is ingrained that they are paid by these so called businessmen, just look at the bars and stuff in hawaii, the LC and police were known by many on this board to take bribes of some sort.

Also, many girls have been kidnapped not sold.

That is the truth, research the facts, unfortunately most of us will turn a blind eye. You may say they could escape, but if they have families the girls are threatened that the family will be killed. We in the states are so safe that we don't realize how dangerous other countries can be. A haole going to Waianae may seem dangerous to us, but compared with going to Rio De Janerio (sp.?) step outside the confines into their versio of waianae and it is 10-20 times worse.

That is the truth!

CA, CrouchingTiger, Showboat....thanks for addressing my original question on scenarios in Hawaii that would constitute entrapment. A lot of good points and information, but it's kind of going off into a legal/Freedom tangent. Back to the main road boys. Sex!!! Cheeeehoooo

[QUOTE=Stevet09]This is one of the most clear cut statements I have ever read. Especially the last sentence. It blows my mind how the hypocrites go to church and then during the rest of the time do some really ______________(you fill in the blank with one of the many crappy things they do)! I'll stop right there because I don't want to offend anyone, but if you feel the same way I'd be interested to know.[/QUOTE]

Yeah, I've worked with guys who go to service once a week and do fill-in-the-blank stuff the rest of the time and when questioned, say "Show me in the Bible where it says I cannot do that", or, "We do what we want" or something to suit. I guess the Book doesn't mention AMPS or k/v-drinkee bars, or "The Breakfast of Champions" :)

Alohashorts, CrouchingTiger, and Stevet09: Mahalo for all of the kind words.

Brother Showboatt, I hope you know I was never attempting to pick a fight with you. I feel exactly the same as you do, believe me! But you were expressing your opinion of how you thought it should be, and I was attempting to explain how it actually is. I'm no lawyer, but I have actually had some legal training and understand the basics fairly well. I probably should've gone to law school or something!

Stevet09, I'm with you on the hypocrisy of politicians! I grew up in Washington, DC (well, across the Potomac River from it anyway) and got a first-hand view of it. It ain't pretty! Those politicians who make the most noise on moral issues are invariably the worst offenders on the same issues they rail about! Now I couldn't care less who an elected official is banging, or even what gender they bang. But I can't stand officials who claim to be these pious, righteous, church-going, God-fearing, morally superior people, and who attempt to enact legislation outlawing nearly every form of sexual conduct other than procreation between married, heterosexual spouses, and then turn around and commit the very same acts they try to outlaw! Which, I suppose, is a very long way of saying that people in glass houses shouldn't throw stones. I've been a political activist off and on for much of my life, and I get really disgusted sometimes.

Anyway, maybe Alohashorts is right and we should get back to more pleasant subjects. Or maybe someone should start a thread specifically to discuss the politics of sex? That is, if Jackson would permit it...

Anyway, I'm gettin' off my soapbox while the gettin's good! Back to discussing strippers and ho's!

CA