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[QUOTE=HughJonson;7447671]I am newish to all of this, but not totally inexperienced. I had a horrible experience just trying to see Daisy at ATM.

I tried seeing Daisy tonight, and it was my first time visiting ATM specifically. I took the metro there and walked in the rain all for a total of 45 minutes of traveling to reach their location. I traveled from D. C.

When the rain in D. C. Finally subsided a little bit (it was raining all night), I decided to contact ATM, asked if Daisy was available, and I promptly started traveling to them when they told me she was available. I told them an ETA and when I was going to be late by 10 minutes, I immediately communicated this to them and they were seemingly fine with it.

I get there and I expected to deal with a gated apt complex, but I didn't expect to have difficulties just trying to get in.

1. At first they told me the gate would be unlocked & opened. It wasn't.

2. Then they gave my a keycode for a pedestrian gate, but there was no keypad to be found other than a callbox which isn't exactly the same. Or maybe it was, but I am literally visiting the gated location for the first time so I am bound to be a bumbling idiot. I've been to other locations that wasn't gated and complicated so this was a first for me in regards to these kinds of agencies or AMPs.

3. I mistakenly went to the wrong building & apt #, but it's very close by so I quickly find the right door.

When I finally get there:

Daisy opened the door when I got there and she let me in, but that was the first sign of trouble. She sighed and complained I was late even though I updated them and they seemed fine with it.

Her photos on their site are not a lie. She is hot af, but her attitude & personality was entirely different.

She asked me to take my shoes off but I wasn't sure where to place them at first and this seemed to annoy her more.

She took me to her room, and then asked if I wanted some water. When I politely answered "sure", she strangely reacted negatively and gave me attitude by responding, "Do you want to leave?

After she gave me a small cup of water and I thanked her, she started to grill me with questions like 1. Have I been to there location before? And 2. How I found out about them?

I apologized to her for being late, and then I explained to her that I was a first timer there, but she got suspicious and thought maybe I was first timer to all of this in general (I'm not) - which even if that were the case, I don't understand why that is a problem. But she seemed to take offense to this or seemed confused. Shouldn't they expect new "customers" once in a while?

I also explained to her that part of the reason why I was late was because it was difficult to get into the apt complex & find their apt door.

I vaguely told her I found them online somewhere but she was adamant that I tell her exactly where, what, and how. I didn't have an answer prepared for this so I was caught off guard and didn't have a bullshit answer to give her. Besides, at other places I have been to, neither girls nor the host ever questioned me how I discovered them. So I didn't see why this mattered at all. However, this only further pissed Daisy off when I refused to tell her & when I responded to her by asking "Why it mattered?

She started to claim that she was stressed out and couldn't see me anymore. She even tried suggesting I see her 'roommate', Baby Milk.

If she didn't want to see me, I figured why not see her roommate instead? So I asked her if she was available.

Daisy starts texting someone, and I could tell it was the person / host / liaison (excuse my terminology if it isn't right here) that you text to arrange the meeting that she was texting.

I start getting texts from the liaison host asking me "what the drama is all about?

Daisy tells me her roommate, Baby Milk, is busy with someone and then proceeds to kick me out. I don't fight it at all and leave.

As soon as I leave, I get more texts from the liaison host about how "You made an appointment to see Daisy, so why are you trying to see her roommate? That's rude man!

Daisy clearly lied to her liaison host to make me seem like the bad guy.

As soon as I leave the apt, I call the liaison host to talk to them and they surprisingly heard my side of the story instead of flat out taking the girl's side.

I don't want any real drama & bad blood so I profusely apologize to the liaison host and explain my side. They even said that me being late wasn't the problem, but that it was because I was trying to switch girls after I made the appointment & arrived. So I argued that Daisy was lying and suggested herself that I see Baby Milk instead. The host liaison seemingly were understanding because they eventually asked me if I still wanted to see Baby Milk instead, but I would have had to wait an hour standing in the rain as I had no car to sit in so I refused and started to leave.

Overall, Daisy was very rude to me, acted very paranoid & suspicious of me, and then tried to get me in trouble.

I got to **see** her in person, but I barely took off my jacket before I was kicked out.

I traveled a total of 2 hours back&forth in the cold rain for nothing.

It was emotionally stressful for me.[/QUOTE]Sorry to hear all you went through, it does happen especially trying to find a particular apartment. I come from the west coast and the apartments are complete confusing mazes. Usually what I do is when I get the address (yes I know I don't get the magic room till I arrive) I look up the place on the internet. I get an idea of the lay out of if its an apartment and although I won't know the exact room till I am there, I will have a pretty good idea.

One complex in Santa Clara parking was non existent so it involved me allowing extra time to park a few blocks away and hoof it.

As far as arriving late, its just your own time you are paying for. If your appointment is scheduled for 3 pm and arrive art 320, you still are expected to leave at 4 pm. At least the orgs I have been too.

One org I visited when I was living out west pulled a sleezy move and the basic wall clock was 12 minutes fast, I never noticed that before till another guy mentioned it on a the other board. When I arrived next time I compared to my cell phone time and sure enough, it was (this time) 10 minutes fast. I pointed it out to the K-girl and she nodded her head, and ok. We used our cell phones as the official time. Not that 10 minutes makes a big deal.

Now as far as she rejecting you, again brother it happens. These are human beings, real feeling and emotions, and for what ever reason you may have clicked with her the wrong way. I don't know anything about you but its likely what happened. Could be she was just having a bad day. Its happened to me as well. Heck one girl I saw complained I was "too big" and used that as justification to send me packing. One girl may give guy "A" the best room with DFK, BBBJ, allow DATY, FIV etc. Same girl may give guy "B" just the bare basics, again its just the basics of human attraction. As a good buddy said, if you want the same that never changes buy a sex doll with a pussy.

Heck I have had disaster rooms with a girl, so bad that 5 minutes later I am looking for a recovery (that was in Germany where a quick fuck BBBJ BBFS CIP is just 50€). Usually if I get an indication its going to go bad I just kill the room and I am out 50€, at 58 years old my sperm and being able to blow a load is worth more than the 50€ I would have wasted on a bad room.

[QUOTE=HughJonson;7447671]I am newish to all of this, but not totally inexperienced. I had a horrible experience just trying to see Daisy at ATM.

I tried seeing Daisy tonight, and it was my first time visiting ATM specifically. I took the metro there and walked in the rain all for a total of 45 minutes of traveling to reach their location. I traveled from D. C.

When the rain in D. C. Finally subsided a little bit (it was raining all night), I decided to contact ATM, asked if Daisy was available, and I promptly started traveling to them when they told me she was available. I told them an ETA and when I was going to be late by 10 minutes, I immediately communicated this to them and they were seemingly fine with it.

I get there and I expected to deal with a gated apt complex, but I didn't expect to have difficulties just trying to get in.

1. At first they told me the gate would be unlocked & opened. It wasn't.

2. Then they gave my a keycode for a pedestrian gate, but there was no keypad to be found other than a callbox which isn't exactly the same. Or maybe it was, but I am literally visiting the gated location for the first time so I am bound to be a bumbling idiot. I've been to other locations that wasn't gated and complicated so this was a first for me in regards to these kinds of agencies or AMPs.

3. I mistakenly went to the wrong building & apt #, but it's very close by so I quickly find the right door.

When I finally get there:

Daisy opened the door when I got there and she let me in, but that was the first sign of trouble. She sighed and complained I was late even though I updated them and they seemed fine with it.

Her photos on their site are not a lie. She is hot af, but her attitude & personality was entirely different.

She asked me to take my shoes off but I wasn't sure where to place them at first and this seemed to annoy her more.

She took me to her room, and then asked if I wanted some water. When I politely answered "sure", she strangely reacted negatively and gave me attitude by responding, "Do you want to leave?

After she gave me a small cup of water and I thanked her, she started to grill me with questions like 1. Have I been to there location before? And 2. How I found out about them?

I apologized to her for being late, and then I explained to her that I was a first timer there, but she got suspicious and thought maybe I was first timer to all of this in general (I'm not) - which even if that were the case, I don't understand why that is a problem. But she seemed to take offense to this or seemed confused. Shouldn't they expect new "customers" once in a while?

I also explained to her that part of the reason why I was late was because it was difficult to get into the apt complex & find their apt door.

I vaguely told her I found them online somewhere but she was adamant that I tell her exactly where, what, and how. I didn't have an answer prepared for this so I was caught off guard and didn't have a bullshit answer to give her. Besides, at other places I have been to, neither girls nor the host ever questioned me how I discovered them. So I didn't see why this mattered at all. However, this only further pissed Daisy off when I refused to tell her & when I responded to her by asking "Why it mattered?

She started to claim that she was stressed out and couldn't see me anymore. She even tried suggesting I see her 'roommate', Baby Milk.

If she didn't want to see me, I figured why not see her roommate instead? So I asked her if she was available.

Daisy starts texting someone, and I could tell it was the person / host / liaison (excuse my terminology if it isn't right here) that you text to arrange the meeting that she was texting.

I start getting texts from the liaison host asking me "what the drama is all about?

Daisy tells me her roommate, Baby Milk, is busy with someone and then proceeds to kick me out. I don't fight it at all and leave.

As soon as I leave, I get more texts from the liaison host about how "You made an appointment to see Daisy, so why are you trying to see her roommate? That's rude man!

Daisy clearly lied to her liaison host to make me seem like the bad guy.

As soon as I leave the apt, I call the liaison host to talk to them and they surprisingly heard my side of the story instead of flat out taking the girl's side.

I don't want any real drama & bad blood so I profusely apologize to the liaison host and explain my side. They even said that me being late wasn't the problem, but that it was because I was trying to switch girls after I made the appointment & arrived. So I argued that Daisy was lying and suggested herself that I see Baby Milk instead. The host liaison seemingly were understanding because they eventually asked me if I still wanted to see Baby Milk instead, but I would have had to wait an hour standing in the rain as I had no car to sit in so I refused and started to leave.

Overall, Daisy was very rude to me, acted very paranoid & suspicious of me, and then tried to get me in trouble.

I got to **see** her in person, but I barely took off my jacket before I was kicked out.

I traveled a total of 2 hours back&forth in the cold rain for nothing.

It was emotionally stressful for me.[/QUOTE]I would say you are 85% to blame for the situation. Lots of mistakes. Horniness got the best of you. Soon as you saw rain on the forecast and you didn't have a car you should have rescheduled. Shoot, Ill reschedule with rain and I have a car bc I'm not tryna ride on 495 in that type of weather with these type of drivers in the area. Most agencies are good up to 2 hours before appointment with cancellation / rescheduling. Learning lesson for you. Charge it to the game, keep it moving.

[QUOTE=JacobsPatrick;7447203]Kora's rate just doubled to $1K. Wonder if she still charges $50 for each pop?

[URL]https://www.kora-xoxo.com/guide-1[/URL][/QUOTE]Too some extent we do it to our self guys, as long as a guy is willing to pay it she will charge it. Supply an demand, if we treat her like she has a golden pussy she will charge golden pussy prices. Look at it this way. If you were her and you could fuck 1 guy a day for $1000, or fuck 3 guys for the same which would you do?

[QUOTE=HughJonson;7447671]I am newish to all of this, but not totally inexperienced. I had a horrible experience just trying to see Daisy at ATM.

I tried seeing Daisy tonight, and it was my first time visiting ATM specifically. I took the metro there and walked in the rain all for a total of 45 minutes of traveling to reach their location. I traveled from D. C.

When the rain in D. C. Finally subsided a little bit (it was raining all night), I decided to contact ATM, asked if Daisy was available, and I promptly started traveling to them when they told me she was available. I told them an ETA and when I was going to be late by 10 minutes, I immediately communicated this to them and they were seemingly fine with it.

I get there and I expected to deal with a gated apt complex, but I didn't expect to have difficulties just trying to get in.

1. At first they told me the gate would be unlocked & opened. It wasn't.

2. Then they gave my a keycode for a pedestrian gate, but there was no keypad to be found other than a callbox which isn't exactly the same. Or maybe it was, but I am literally visiting the gated location for the first time so I am bound to be a bumbling idiot. I've been to other locations that wasn't gated and complicated so this was a first for me in regards to these kinds of agencies or AMPs..[/QUOTE]Sorry to hear man.

But a good way to look at it is if Daisey was that "mean" to you its probably better that you didn't give her donation for her services.

Would have probably gotten terrible service.

I can understand why she suspicious like most people aren't brand new to this going to agency.

They usually starts "lower" level so suspicious.

Maybe thought you LEO?

Next time try to scope out the place like Google maps or something so get better idea complex.

When they tell you to, " take off your shoes " just take them off they will put it somewhere for you.

They not going to steal it.

[QUOTE=RyeBread;7447510]What's actually insane is that she'd been giving us $500 for the last few weeks. Have you seen the people around that price range around here? What's also insane is the people around here talking negatively about her and making her not want to be here. She can easily make a lot more in NYC but she blessed NoVA with her presence and we ruined it for her. And those people also ruined it for us. She tried her best to make it work here but the customers here are broke customers who complain about pricing. No wonder why this area is dry and nobody wants to come here, we don't deserve them.

As for the screening process, what's wrong with sending her the same info you send all these other agencies? You've already done it before, just do it again, no need to complain about it. Why does she have to take your referrals?[/QUOTE]DMV has multiple agencies and if it could even be characterized as dry, that is more a reflection of nationwide trends rather than proof girls actively avoid the area.

[QUOTE=RyeBread;7447510]What's actually insane is that she'd been giving us $500 for the last few weeks. Have you seen the people around that price range around here? What's also insane is the people around here talking negatively about her and making her not want to be here. She can easily make a lot more in NYC but she blessed NoVA with her presence and we ruined it for her. And those people also ruined it for us. She tried her best to make it work here but the customers here are broke customers who complain about pricing. No wonder why this area is dry and nobody wants to come here, we don't deserve them.?[/QUOTE]See her once or the throat goat three times. Not even a question for me.

[QUOTE=KOF96;7448082]DMV has multiple agencies and if it could even be characterized as dry, that is more a reflection of nationwide trends rather than proof girls actively avoid the area.[/QUOTE]I get what you mean but he is actually right.

Kstar closed down.

Dmvgirls always seems to have problems getting one girl at least to come.

Discreetstory used to have 2 at least now it more 1 at least.

Asiantopmodel used to have service queen now they got newbie girls and some from Cali (not that they bad).

Asiangem been pretty solid.

But the service queens that come to this area don't as much anymore and they stay much shorter too.

[QUOTE=RyeBread;7447510]What's actually insane is that she'd been giving us $500 for the last few weeks. Have you seen the people around that price range around here? What's also insane is the people around here talking negatively about her and making her not want to be here. She can easily make a lot more in NYC but she blessed NoVA with her presence and we ruined it for her. And those people also ruined it for us. She tried her best to make it work here but the customers here are broke customers who complain about pricing. No wonder why this area is dry and nobody wants to come here, we don't deserve them.

As for the screening process, what's wrong with sending her the same info you send all these other agencies? You've already done it before, just do it again, no need to complain about it. Why does she have to take your referrals?[/QUOTE]Why complain about her price when you already know the price and what you getting for that price. She been here before and it was same price like last time. All these girl talk to each other. So being rude doesn't help our scene. Why we rarely get any new K talent here. If you don't like the price move on. If someone post they got bffs doesn't mean you will get it. It all YMMV in the game. If you treat the girl with respect and / or a repeat regular with her. It can go a long way of getting more. That the same with you in the AMP scene too. Most independent lady don't take agency referral for a reason. If you don't want to give what she ask just move on. Wish we can get more new K girl talent in this area again.

Reading some of the reports I'm wondering if ATM moved. Can someone confirm -- not the new locations but just that they moved from the old place many of us know from K-Star or local legend that retired.

[QUOTE=Noworth;7448483]Reading some of the reports I'm wondering if ATM moved. Can someone confirm -- not the new locations but just that they moved from the old place many of us know from K-Star or local legend that retired.[/QUOTE]Correct on the move.

[QUOTE=Noworth;7448483]Reading some of the reports I'm wondering if ATM moved. Can someone confirm -- not the new locations but just that they moved from the old place many of us know from K-Star or local legend that retired.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Tomk2323;7448486]Correct on the move.[/QUOTE]Have not been new location yet but Heard it is in the same d s neighborhood?

[QUOTE=DMVAverageJoe;7448633]Have not been new location yet but Heard it is in the same d s neighborhood?[/QUOTE]Same location as CP.

[QUOTE=Kpop1;7448904]Same location as CP.[/QUOTE]Thanks for verification.

That is a very crowded neighborhood.

[QUOTE=KOF96;7448082]DMV has multiple agencies and if it could even be characterized as dry, that is more a reflection of nationwide trends rather than proof girls actively avoid the area.[/QUOTE][blue][Deleted by Admin][/blue] The girls know that Virginia is folks are not spending anymore, look at the news and the jobs lost in the government. And take a closer look, has there really been a lot of gems coming and staying here recently? Look at the other regions across the country and compare. Many have said the same.

[QUOTE=ArchieKaras;7447607]Damn that is some serious ass bullshit. Why do these chicks up the price as they get older and do more plastic surgery? WTF is that logic. She's like 33-34 now. When she was mid 20's she was 200-300 and charging 100 to get cream-pie and now a whole band just for GFE? Gtfo.

she's a good bang and I beat that pussy up good last time she worked but no way she worth 1k. could get premium pussy for that price. hopefully the regulars can talk her into grandfather price ing, will have to try that.[/QUOTE]LOL you're so funny, I don't know what to do about comments that are complete lies.

[B]The Legend of Kora[/B]
I have no horse in the race, but just want to share some general knowledge from West Coast about premium girls. I hope it gives context so people get up to speed and not "re-invent the wheel". Let's get out of the stone age on kgirl intel fast.

[QUOTE=SilverTongued8;7447388]$1 k is absolutely insane. As is the screening process. She doesn't take referrals even if you've been vetted by every agency outside of AG.[/QUOTE]

Everyone listen up, here is how referrals work. If Kora is not taking referrals, it's because those referrals will not help her screen you even if you gave them. Kora could text those referrals and will get no honest reply. She probaly already knows that for a fact. Your referrals don't want to send their best customer to a competitor. And they know you are a good customer if you can afford $1K!

The reason other agencies sometimes reply to referrals is they're friendly. The owners help each other for mutual benefit, especially if you are changing cities and they understand they're not really losing your business. Other times they get that there is a girl you want to see, and they take turns as friends. It is an alliance.

That is not the case here.

[QUOTE=RyeBread;7447510]What's actually insane is that she'd been giving us $500 for the last few weeks. Have you seen the people around that price range around here? What's also insane is the people around here talking negatively about her and making her not want to be here. She can easily make a lot more in NYC but she blessed NoVA with her presence and we ruined it for her.

As for the screening process, what's wrong with sending her the same info you send all these other agencies? You've already done it before, just do it again, no need to complain about it. Why does she have to take your referrals?[/QUOTE]

I'm pretty sure Kora chooses Nova for personal reasons. She might go to NYC a while to pick up on new business, especially with a larger customer base there. But she's going to be back to Nova because that's been her pattern. Same reason West Coast no longer saw Lady Ari once she went East Coast. Like animals in nature, some kgirls pick a territory.

At $1K I'm sure she will have takers. She is good. But business will eventually slow. Premium pricing works because the girl is not trying to maximize volume and total revenue. She is fine with making a bit less total money, with fewer appointments. It means she can take vacation and be back again to meet pent-up demand.

The one upside to premium pricing is the girls tend to be not overworked and fresh and in good condition. Many premium girls I've tried at $500 or $600 hr rates gave me 100%. It's a very noticeable contrast from value priced girls. I don't think most guys would consider this worth the premium, however. It is for rich guys and super fans of a girl.

Here was my review of Celine / SBC Daisy, one of the "2nd generation" premium kgirls who was 600 hr:
[URL]http://www.usasexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?30696-Asian-PLEASER-Reviews-only&p=7158966&viewfull=1#post7158966[/URL] SBC Daisy 600 hr

S-Tier looks, high service. Daisy went the premium route, which meant she wasn't super busy and gave each guy great service. Whereas, Katie K was slightly hotter but only charged 420 hr so she was fully booked morning to night, every day. It was much harder for Katie K due to the workload, but she ended up making more money too. It is a hard trade-off. Most S-Tier kgirl HYA these days are choosing the SBC Daisy route. We are currently on 4th and 5th generation premium kgirls now. I guess Kora is ushering in the final and logical conclusion.

All of this was foretold with cgirl pricing. We've had 800, 1000, 1500, and 2000 cgirls for a looooong time. Yes, the girls were in fact young and hot, and also fresh and unspoiled in attitude. We know they are overpriced, yet some of us still see them knowing that. The upper end girls might take one or two guys a day.

I felt SBC Daisy was worth about 500 hr, so she is overpriced by 20%. It's why I recommend guys go hh at Daisy for 450. Cgirls are overpriced 25% to 50% imo. But the worst value girls are always the duds. D-Tier girls who have neither looks nor service charging ~300. C-Tier girls are borderline.

[QUOTE=ArchieKaras;7447607]Damn that is some serious ass bullshit. Why do these chicks up the price as they get older and do more plastic surgery? WTF is that logic. She's like 33-34 now. When she was mid 20's she was 200-300 and charging 100 to get cream-pie and now a whole band just for GFE? Gtfo.

she's a good bang and I beat that pussy up good last time she worked but no way she worth 1k. could get premium pussy for that price. hopefully the regulars can talk her into grandfather price ing, will have to try that.[/QUOTE]

Something happened. I'm not going to go into great detail, but generally speaking girls know other girls and talk about pricing and the market. Across the coast, in other countries. Prices are shooting up in every country btw, even fucking Thailand where there is GPS now. There are actually rich Thai men flying to other countries for pussy as a result.

Someone told Kora she can charge $1K. I wonder if that is all-inclusive or what. She offered standard 100 bb West Coast but things changed after that.

[QUOTE=Tomk2323;7446938]I saw Kora and she is amazing. Nothing more can be said. Unreal looks, performance and personality. Perfection for me.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=KylerMurray;7446776]I was begging for her to come back after her last visit. Was checking in with the booker and everything LOL. Happy that I also got the chance to see her before she recently departed. Hot session, just as good as the first time. Let me choke her a bit in mish. Insane DT skills, I'm packing pretty heavy and she can take me all the way down to the pelvis. I'm not a massive fan of rimming but its apart of her routine. Literally a fuck doll will let you do whatever to her. She's an elite talent.[/QUOTE]

I'm not going to justify her price increase, just point out that she must be doing something right as far as looks and service. Boner and other people I know who saw her long ago confirmed her as hot and good. I can only infer she is still hot and good with recent reviews. That does not necessarily mean she is worth $1K. Rather, how it works is she decides her price and people accept it or not. She probably has regulars who already agreed to it. Maybe she arrived at that particular number because that's what opened up menu options.

One time I offered a GFE only girl 200 for bb, and the next day her menu showed 200 bb. I accept all blame for opening up that girl, but in my defense I have to say UTR bb is worth more than regular bb. I never pressure girls and only ask girls I know well, so I get a low success rate. You can look at it half glass full that the girl would have been GFE only otherwise. She consulted other girls and got Doxy-PEP. So it's not something every girl is ready or willing to transition on.

We don't want to hear this, but there are definitely some people who think Kora is worth $1K. Otherwise she would not charge it. The problem is it cuts the rest of us off. The best but hardest thing everyone should do is learn not to have FOMO (fear of missing out) and just see their favorite girls. It may take you 10 or 20 years to figure this tip out, but everyone does.

[QUOTE=Rkoppa;7447755]All the negative comments about her seem kind of dumb to me.

I'm not saying don't leave negative reviews if you have a negative experience but no need to comment on it.

In terms of the leaving area because negative reviews. I know that's why Jamie doesn't come to this area that much despite her being real busy here.[/QUOTE]

This is good advice. If you got a bad session, say so. But if you don't like the price of a girl you aren't going to see, there's no point. Put that energy elsewhere.

It's natural to complain about the price, complain if you want. That won't lower the price. I do remember people complained so hard about Baby Arin raising her bb rate from 0 to 100. LA had spent months complaining about it telling her to leave. So she did! She went off and made a bunch of other cities very happy instead. LA has every right to complain if they want, but they end up getting cucked by under-served markets. Competition works both ways.

[QUOTE=SturdyBirdy;7078342]Baby Arin started in WLA at 340 all-in..Now she's in Irvine at 320 + 40 MSOG + 100 BB. I hope she sees the light and just returns to WLA.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=AsianAssEater;7078723]Baby Arin ruined her rep in LA. Everyone knows she was at bb special for a long time and it doesn't sit right with us that she started upcharging..Adding an upcharge removes alot of potential clients.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=RockItAllNite;7088196]I don't like the upcharge any more than you do, but I would still rather have Baby Arin the HYA back in MW than in OC or touring and get stuck with minimal choices simply because they charge less.[/QUOTE]

Me? I sincerely thanked LA kicking her out of town and sending her over!

[QUOTE=Download X;7079443]Well whatever the reason thanks for sending Baby Arin south so we can see her. We will do our best to train girls on the Bona special (shower suck and bang) and send her back to LA with new skills. Every city has its charm.[/QUOTE]

This has all happened before. Be careful what you wish for.

I saw baby when she was in Jacksonville earlier this month. She is a sweet girl super young, super cute, and a lot of fun. I saw her twice while she was here. I highly recommend her if you're looking for a petite cutie with curves in all the right places. She seems a bit shy because she is somewhat new to this but be patient and treat her right and you'll enjoy yourself. She looked great and didn't even have a lot of make-up on. Just a naturally beautiful young girl.

Disclosure. I have not seen Kora. But there are likely basic economic principles behind her decision to double rates. If, at $500, she is fully booked and is refusing droves of potential customers, then an increase is smart. If, at $1 k, she is still half booked, then her income remains the same while doing half the work. If her bookings dip below half, then her income drops. At that point it would be smart for her to then reduce the price to increase bookings and at least maintain her income. The optimal price for her would be the one that keeps her fully booked, with little to no refusals.

While $1,000 per hour is indeed at the higher end relative to most agency K-girls, Camille for some time has successfully maintained $1,300 rates for a couple of years without significant pushback. At this tier, the clientele is largely price-insensitive—corporate executives, professional athletes, and similar profiles—who value discretion, presentation, and consistency over marginal savings.

So yes, $1,000+ has a clear, sustainable market among affluent regulars; it's less about the absolute amount and more about the perceived exclusivity and service level that justifies positioning above the standard agency range.

[URL]http://www.hellocamille.com/rates/[/URL]

[QUOTE=LesTosterone;7449293]Disclosure. I have not seen Kora. But there are likely basic economic principles behind her decision to double rates. If, at $500, she is fully booked and is refusing droves of potential customers, then an increase is smart. If, at $1 k, she is still half booked, then her income remains the same while doing half the work. If her bookings dip below half, then her income drops. At that point it would be smart for her to then reduce the price to increase bookings and at least maintain her income. The optimal price for her would be the one that keeps her fully booked, with little to no refusals.[/QUOTE]Or moving towards the sugar daddy model. Either way, it's interesting to watch, like a reality tv show! It's good to see that she's making her own way.

I have two thoughts on all this.

First, this is how markets work, guys. A thing is worth exactly what someone is willing to pay for it. Period, end of story. This is basically what Download is explaining.

Second, I don't want to say that no publicity is bad publicity, but. I had no idea who Kora was, but hell if every person on here hasn't checked out her page now. I wonder what the value of that is to her.

[QUOTE=DMVAverageJoe;7449313]While $1,000 per hour is indeed at the higher end relative to most agency K-girls, Camille for some time has successfully maintained $1,300 rates for a couple of years without significant pushback. At this tier, the clientele is largely price-insensitivecorporate executives, professional athletes, and similar profileswho value discretion, presentation, and consistency over marginal savings.

So yes, $1,000+ has a clear, sustainable market among affluent regulars; it's less about the absolute amount and more about the perceived exclusivity and service level that justifies positioning above the standard agency range.

[URL]http://www.hellocamille.com/rates/[/URL][/QUOTE]I fondly remember those days back when she was Sela at $500/ hr, and I could afford her. She's an American success story. And good for her, charging what the market will bear. Although personally, it's my loss.

Well I guess that's it. She's starting an OF. From her replies sounds like she'll be taking cock on camera too. Good for her. I'm glad we all got to fuck her haha. She's a champ at taking cock so don't see why she won't do well.

[QUOTE=BenCom;7449625]I have two thoughts on all this. First, this is how markets work, guys. A thing is worth exactly what someone is willing to pay for it. Period, end of story. This is basically what Download is explaining. Second, I don't want to say that no publicity is bad publicity, but. I had no idea who Kora was, but hell if every person on here hasn't checked out her page now. I wonder what the value of that is to her.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=JstlMX;7450034]Well I guess that's it. She's starting an OF. From her replies sounds like she'll be taking cock on camera too. Good for her. I'm glad we all got to fuck her haha. She's a champ at taking cock so don't see why she won't do well.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=JacobsPatrick;7449323]Or moving towards the sugar daddy model. Either way, it's interesting to watch, like a reality tv show! It's good to see that she's making her own way.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=LesTosterone;7449293]Disclosure. I have not seen Kora. But there are likely basic economic principles behind her decision to double rates. If, at $500, she is fully booked and is refusing droves of potential customers, then an increase is smart. If, at $1 k, she is still half booked, then her income remains the same while doing half the work. If her bookings dip below half, then her income drops. At that point it would be smart for her to then reduce the price to increase bookings and at least maintain her income. The optimal price for her would be the one that keeps her fully booked, with little to no refusals.[/QUOTE]FYI.

T e R / kgirl board, someone mentioned Kora was "Kora aka Blue Star aka Suzi aka Suzy aka SA Lisa aka AA Tiara aka Seowoo."

[URL]https://www.theeroticreview.com/discussion-boards/k-girls-113/re-are-you-talking-40072?page=1[/URL]

FYI.

[URL]https://www.theeroticreview.com/reviews/suzy---suzi-7022714984-354449[/URL]

[URL]https://littletokyolv.com/g5/bbs/content.php?co_id=suzy[/URL]

[QUOTE=DMVAverageJoe;7450231]FYI.

T e R / kgirl board, someone mentioned Kora was "Kora aka Blue Star aka Suzi aka Suzy aka SA Lisa aka AA Tiara aka Seowoo."

[URL]https://www.theeroticreview.com/discussion-boards/k-girls-113/re-are-you-talking-40072?page=1[/URL][/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=DMVAverageJoe;7450352]FYI.

[URL]https://www.theeroticreview.com/reviews/suzy---suzi-7022714984-354449[/URL]

[URL]https://littletokyolv.com/g5/bbs/content.php?co_id=suzy[/URL][/QUOTE]Yeah man she's been working a long time. Used to be a BB provider for much cheaper when she was younger. Those guys got so lucky!

[QUOTE=DMV Average Joe;7450231]FYI.

T e R / kgirl board, someone mentioned Kora was "Kora aka Blue Star aka Suzi aka Suzy aka SA Lisa aka AA Tiara aka Seowoo."[/QUOTE]

Yes, she was Bluestar and other names. It's true that her pricing doesn't work for me, I calculated it out and even at SS-Tier she couldn't charge more than 800. I can film SS-Tier jgirls for less! But that's just me, I totally get someone else would pay it. It's not going to be a lot of guys.

It's good and sometimes even healthy to complain about the pricing to get it out of your system, go ahead. But it's also futile, and there is actually a better way. Just let the rich guys throw their money at super premium girls while we point out the better value girls. That is the way.

If people are are allowed to complain, surely I am also allowed to call it a waste of time and energy. I've seen people do this 20 years on stripper prices, and they get stuck with negative energy with no upside. I always tried to talk them out of it because they were not having fun doing that. So I know it feels good to complain at first, but you're going to end up disappointed to expect anything. Some day, every person will come to that realization about life itself. That you have a limited amount of time and energy to spend. Spend that on finding your girl!

[B]The Only Way To Beat GPS[/B]
I've seen the end game, and there is a better way to fight back. In Japan, I often run into an oppai pub jgirl who turns GPS 2nd or 3rd visit and asks me to buy her champagne. What do I do? I say "maybe next time" and ask for another girl after her time is up. Then I lick her rival's tits. Depending on the club, there is a 50-50 chance she can watch me do it and go to town (see attached cartoon). The important point is instead of looking over at her to see if she's watching me, I stop giving a fuck about her. Forever. I focus on my girl. You can try it any other way you like, you'll never outdo my solution.

That is true victory, and a profound lesson I hope each guy eventually gains. The same as the lessons on FOMO, it takes some people 10 or 20 years to figure it out. I've said these things in the hope it helps someone skip ahead a few years in that process of realization.

[QUOTE=Download X;7449147]This is good advice. If you got a bad session, say so. But if you don't like the price of a girl you aren't going to see, there's no point. Put that energy elsewhere.

It's natural to complain about the price, complain if you want. That won't lower the price. I do remember people complained so hard about Baby Arin raising her bb rate from 0 to 100. LA had spent months complaining about it telling her to leave. So she did! She went off and made a bunch of other cities very happy instead. LA has every right to complain if they want..[/QUOTE]

As I said, I came here to help people avoid re-inventing the wheel. It's all happened before. So find your girl and lick her tits.

[B]Find the Better Value[/B]
Attached is what oppai pubs in Japan are like. Go with a Japanese speaking friend, or study it about 2-4 years and go yourself. Or, go to Luxe which doesn't have top tier girls but is 100% English friendly. I spent $850 to play with 30 jgirls last trip, the vast majority HYA ranging from S-Tier to B-Tier. Mid-tier clubs like Luxe are A-Tier through C-Tier. It is dirt cheap imo and the girls are topless. I believe I never saw the same pair of tits twice.

Oh look, $850 for 30 girls over the course of 2 weeks. That works out to be $28 per girl (you get about 10-12 minutes each). I am biased for jgirls, but some were about as hot as Kora. Of course I can only touch and kiss them all over, but since 850 is less than 1000 I'm okay with that. It is possible to take some of them out if you have extra tips and speak enough Japanese, though I wouldn't recommend it (try Tokyo Amateur Escorts if you just want to bang, it's better). If you will visit Japan someday, do a CTRL+F search for Luxe. It is a good starter oppai pub that is 100% English friendly, some of the staff are Americans:
[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?4403-Japan-guides-focusing-on-Oppai-Pubs-Soapland-Delivery-Health[/URL] Japan Guides

First image is how an oppai pub works, though it is a bit more packed than the cartoon. Next are two photos of Miyu, the first girl Leicester sent me last trip. Japan prefers naturals, but MMs are getting a bit more common these days and she has them. Japanese girls tend to get high quality MMs imo. Next is Reika, like most oppai pub girls she has naturals and they were small. She knows that, so she focused on tongue play. Would barely let me even talk, hoping I don't notice her small naturals. Then Rito from Hosekinobako, and Mimi also from Hosekinobako. Mimi also had MMs, she had the most perct white and full breasts. Well, that's what you get for $850 30 jgirls. If you go Leicester, a good number are of this caliber. Next is Anzu, a dancer. Anzu is the same spec as an SS-Tier jgirl, who charge about 500-600 hr max. Then JAV star Ichika Nagano, who is still working. Ichika is $255 / hr btw. So now you know why I don't even bother complaining. Don't waste your time on FOMO. Just point out all the better girls.

I'm wildly confused here.

We seem to be talking about a girl (Kora) for 3 straight days.

Not some girl we all want to see but to complain about the price (cause we probably want to see her, me included, but don't want to pay 1 k).

(I'm seriously thinking about it since I never seen her).

Does anyone honestly think if we find out lets just say she is 40 years old, she going to lower her price?

Yet we still want to talk about her?

Shout out to the person that wasted their time to just find out she older (wow shocker a Korean girl is older then she says).

I'm so shocked.

I mean women never lie about their age especially Korean women?

On a serious note shout out to that person cause I never seen a pic of Kora (if that is her).

The thing about it is I never seen a ad for Kora until she came Asian Gem this year.

I heard about her every time for a while now (past two year) is, "she hot, the pretty, she my atf, she the best I been with, she perfect and blah blah blah ".

I seen her on other boards of "top ten hot Koreans" and she always on the list so I doubt if she say 40 years old that's going to stop people from seeing her.

Funny thing is only older mongers (rich) would be able to afford her and I would highly doubt they care if she say 40 years old they just care if she hot.

If anything they might like that she looks much younger then her age and is more mature then the 20 year old.

You know how she will lower her price?

If no one goes that's how, not people complaining on a board for 3 days now.

Why is no one talking about this new girl someone mentioned Baby Milk at Asiantopmodel, she suppose to be a shorties, super cute girl and new to this.

A person on this board even said he had a good time and he saw her twice in FLA.

That's who I'm going to see next.

There this new amazonan Korean / Japanese girl (Ariana) I saw her and wrote a review (best ass I seen and touch this year, best fdau ever in my monger career).

I don't personally mind complaining about prices but day 3? Come on man we all got better thing to do with our time.

We are not changing it only the market will.

Sorry to everyone but this is just getting ridiculous now.

I totally agree with you. I for one am very confused by all the conversation around one provider.

[QUOTE=Rkoppa;7450494]I'm wildly confused here.

We seem to be talking about a girl (Kora) for 3 straight days.

Not some girl we all want to see but to complain about the price (cause we probably want to see her, me included, but don't want to pay 1 k).

(I'm seriously thinking about it since I never seen her).

Does anyone honestly think if we find out lets just say she is 40 years old, she going to lower her price?

Yet we still want to talk about her?

Shout out to the person that wasted their time to just find out she older (wow shocker a Korean girl is older then she says).

I'm so shocked.

I mean women never lie about their age especially Korean women?

On a serious note shout out to that person cause I never seen a pic of Kora (if that is her).

The thing about it is I never seen a ad for Kora until she came Asian Gem this year.

I heard about her every time for a while now (past two year) is, "she hot, the pretty, she my atf, she the best I been with, she perfect and blah blah blah ".

I seen her on other boards of "top ten hot Koreans" and she always on the list so I doubt if she say 40 years old that's going to stop people from seeing her.

Funny thing is only older mongers (rich) would be able to afford her and I would highly doubt they care if she say 40 years old they just care if she hot.

If anything they might like that she looks much younger then her age and is more mature then the 20 year old.

You know how she will lower her price?

If no one goes that's how, not people complaining on a board for 3 days now.

Why is no one talking about this new girl someone mentioned Baby Milk at Asiantopmodel, she suppose to be a shorties, super cute girl and new to this.

A person on this board even said he had a good time and he saw her twice in FLA.

That's who I'm going to see next.

There this new amazonan Korean / Japanese girl (Ariana) I saw her and wrote a review (best ass I seen and touch this year, best fdau ever in my monger career).

I don't personally mind complaining about prices but day 3? Come on man we all got better thing to do with our time.

We are not changing it only the market will.

Sorry to everyone but this is just getting ridiculous now.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Tomk2323;7450512]I totally agree with you. I for one am very confused by all the conversation around one provider.[/QUOTE]People just responding. She would randomly tweet that people are talking shit about her even though I didn't see any negative reviews. People respond, she gets mad and doubles her rate, people respond, now she's going to take cock on camera, people respond. This isn't that difficult to understand LOL.

[QUOTE=JstlMX;7450521]People just responding. She would randomly tweet that people are talking shit about her even though I didn't see any negative reviews. People respond, she gets mad and doubles her rate, people respond, now she's going to take cock on camera, people respond. This isn't that difficult to understand LOL.[/QUOTE]I think we should focus on actual reviews and experiences we are having. So yes it is odd to me. But of course, you and others can type whatever you like. Personally over this topic unless someone posts an actual review of her which would be informative to read.

Moving on.

[QUOTE=Tomk2323;7450526]I think we should focus on actual reviews and experiences we are having. So yes it is odd to me. But of course, you and others can type whatever you like. Personally over this topic unless someone posts an actual review of her which would be informative to read.

Moving on.[/QUOTE]Yeah. That's the magic of not reading shit you don't want to.

Anyone booked an appointment with her in VA? Her tryst link and site still has her in VA with a touring rate of $500.

[QUOTE=JstlMX;7450521]People just responding. She would randomly tweet that people are talking shit about her even though I didn't see any negative reviews. People respond, she gets mad and doubles her rate, people respond, now she's going to take cock on camera, people respond. This isn't that difficult to understand LOL.[/QUOTE]Is your claim that all the drama here is somehow orchestrated? Or, like another suggested, that all the posts and drama are doing nothing but allowing her to raise her rate?

Also saw Ariana and I totally agree with you. Amazing lady. Body and performance is out of this world.

[QUOTE=Rkoppa;7450494]I'm wildly confused here.

We seem to be talking about a girl (Kora) for 3 straight days.

Not some girl we all want to see but to complain about the price (cause we probably want to see her, me included, but don't want to pay 1 k).

(I'm seriously thinking about it since I never seen her).

Does anyone honestly think if we find out lets just say she is 40 years old, she going to lower her price?

Yet we still want to talk about her?

Shout out to the person that wasted their time to just find out she older (wow shocker a Korean girl is older then she says).

I'm so shocked.

I mean women never lie about their age especially Korean women?

On a serious note shout out to that person cause I never seen a pic of Kora (if that is her).

The thing about it is I never seen a ad for Kora until she came Asian Gem this year.

I heard about her every time for a while now (past two year) is, "she hot, the pretty, she my atf, she the best I been with, she perfect and blah blah blah ".

I seen her on other boards of "top ten hot Koreans" and she always on the list so I doubt if she say 40 years old that's going to stop people from seeing her.

Funny thing is only older mongers (rich) would be able to afford her and I would highly doubt they care if she say 40 years old they just care if she hot.

If anything they might like that she looks much younger then her age and is more mature then the 20 year old.

You know how she will lower her price?

If no one goes that's how, not people complaining on a board for 3 days now.

Why is no one talking about this new girl someone mentioned Baby Milk at Asiantopmodel, she suppose to be a shorties, super cute girl and new to this.

A person on this board even said he had a good time and he saw her twice in FLA.

That's who I'm going to see next.

There this new amazonan Korean / Japanese girl (Ariana) I saw her and wrote a review (best ass I seen and touch this year, best fdau ever in my monger career).

I don't personally mind complaining about prices but day 3? Come on man we all got better thing to do with our time.

We are not changing it only the market will.

Sorry to everyone but this is just getting ridiculous now.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Rkoppa;7450494]I seen her on other boards of "top ten hot Koreans" and she always on the list [/QUOTE]Do you have a link to this "top 10 hot Koreans" list?

Also, I would guess that 80% of touring kgirls are older than 30, most are over 35. Everyone lies about their age; I even knock 10 years off my age, when asked. HA!

[QUOTE=Tomk2323;7450753]Also saw Ariana and I totally agree with you. Amazing lady. Body and performance is out of this world.[/QUOTE]If you like Ariana you probably like Sienna at asian gem now I saw her last end of last year.

To me she prettiest girl I seen in this game she don't look like pics she looks much better.

Has a model like body reminds of me Ariana body except Sienna.

I think is 5 7 but listed her at 5 5 and sienna has slightly wider hips and nice ass also.

I'm 5 9 and she was almost eye height to me when she was washing me down last year.

I had a good session with her but saw some people didn't.

[QUOTE=JacobsPatrick;7450787]Do you have a link to this "top 10 hot Koreans" list?

Also, I would guess that 80% of touring kgirls are older than 30, most are over 35. Everyone lies about their age; I even knock 10 years off my age, when asked. HA![/QUOTE]I couldn't find the exact link I dm a link talking about it.

It on other site.

Lols your good on your age.

When I was talking to Lovelyn she told me she likes older clients 50 60 and 70's.

Lols I was like WTF 70's.

She told me she tends not to like younger ones cause they snobby (she thought I was younger).

But that's just her so who knows.

Thanks, I have seen her before. Most definitely a fan!

[QUOTE=Rkoppa;7450933]If you like Ariana you probably like Sienna at asian gem now I saw her last end of last year.

To me she prettiest girl I seen in this game she don't look like pics she looks much better.

Has a model like body reminds of me Ariana body except Sienna.

I think is 5 7 but listed her at 5 5 and sienna has slightly wider hips and nice ass also.

I'm 5 9 and she was almost eye height to me when she was washing me down last year.

I had a good session with her but saw some people didn't.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Rkoppa;7450494]Does anyone honestly think if we find out lets just say she is 40 years old, she going to lower her price?

Yet we still want to talk about her?

Shout out to the person that wasted their time to just find out she older (wow shocker a Korean girl is older then she says).

I'm so shocked.

There this new amazonan Korean / Japanese girl (Ariana) I saw her and wrote a review (best ass I seen and touch this year, best fdau ever in my monger career).[/QUOTE]It is a big coincidence and confusing to me because there is also a Korean / Japanese Ariana in Socal right now. And she is also top tier with great ass. Your Amazonian comment reminded me it's just a coincidence. Socal Ariana is a petite spinner, your Ariana (AB88 Ariana) is super tall. Both girls are top tier.

Kora is maybe early 30's, she is still hot. If someone said she were early 20s or 40s, then I just keep that in mind next time I see they review another girl. I suggest everyone do the same. Most of my comments were not specific to Kora and I wanted to clarify how references worked.

The most expensive kgirls in Socal are all about 30 plus or minus 5 years, that part isn't new. West Coast feedback is Kora is hot but mainly in the face. Face over body, it's her service and skills that shine. The combo of looks and service is probably her main appeal. Boner approved. I meta reviewd her a year ago for NYC.

Early 20's kgirls aren't common but they exist. I review and enjoy them but for one reason or another they are actually less popular. So I just shrug my shoulders and repeat them. I also reviewed a jgirl who visited Nova recently who was pretty young:

[QUOTE=DownloadX;7438839][B]FFC Minami[/B] - [B]HYA[/B]. Very young, about 20, very skinny, pure white skin, petite, maybe 5'2", B or C cup natural, black hair, cute, good attitude. Face is adorable and innocent, ass is soft. Typical jgirl service, so probably looks over service for most guys. Cute natural nails. Pussy was very tight to start so I let her set the pace, no problem at all thereafter. Maybe 90-95 pounds. Youngest girl. Important: Ticklish around neck, shoulder okay.[/QUOTE]But no one else reviewed her here, though on other site she got good reviews. Here's the thing, West Coast only Boner and I really liked her. I rated her A-Tier. Many guys rated her B-Tier because young and adorable does nothing for them. Whereas East Coast, some people rate her S-Tier or ATF level. That's how it is, every guy has their type and sometimes it is just luck if a girl is your type. So it makes sense some people like her more than me, some people like her less. We can still help each other since S, A, B is a normal bell-curve distribution. Nobody said she wasn't good looking or not young, it is normal variation.

FFC Minami is better known as Nakamura. I also reviewed her for NYC as RS8 Kaiya:

[QUOTE=DownloadX;7428751][B]RS8 Kaiya[/B] - [B]HYA[/B]. Very young, about 20, very skinny, pure white skin, petite, maybe 5'2", B cup natural, black hair, cute, good attitude. Face is adorable, ass is soft. Skills are normal for HYA, probably for "looks first" guys who value a youthful natural look. Cute natural nails. Pussy was very tight to start so I let her set the pace, no problem at all thereafter. Maybe 90-95 pounds. Youngest girl. Important: Ticklish around neck, shoulder okay.

RS8 Kaiya is cute and adorable, which is actually not popular with many guys. Most guys want sexy and mature. Whereas I like cute so to me, she is top 10% in looks. The photo of her sitting on bed with hands on knees looks most like her (85%), but there is the usual PS. She is very adorable but it is up to taste. Guys who like young and natural tended to rate her higher, guys who are looking for a DDG model (ex. premium girl hunters) were less impressed. They probably want her to do full make up. There is always a bell-curve of opinions on looks, I hope the above specs help the right guys pick a girl based on their own taste and preferences.

[B]General Tip on HYA[/B]
Look, it's like this. If you follow the Lizza guide below and prepare HYA you won't have a problem and you won't break her pussy. It will be wonderful love making..[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=VidLover69;7429755]Kaiya at RS is definitely a pervert special. She looks like 19. See her before the monger train breaks her pussy.

Was Chad able to get it inside one of the cheerleaders? LOL.[/QUOTE]More will come.

I need to bang Ariana.

[QUOTE=DownloadX;7452000]

Kora is maybe early 30's, she is still hot. If someone said she were early 20s or 40s, then I just keep that in mind next time I see they review another girl. I suggest everyone do the same. Most of my comments were not specific to Kora and I wanted to clarify how references worked.

[/QUOTE]Kora was born in 1993.10000000%. That's a fact. Nothing wrong with that. Still hot and that's all that matters LOL. We're just fucking these chicks not wifing them so not sure what the big deal about age is here.