BBQ and fight thread

[QUOTE=Golf9979;3123952]Look, first off this site is for us to review girls that have sex for money and to trade information about them that is helpful to us. This means the good AND the bad. All I said in my original post was that I thought you used to be a junkie and I was simply asking if you were clean or not. Again, this for the benefit of the guys not the girls. Needle users pose a high risk to us and we have the right to point out a history if we want. All you had to do was to say that you used to be a user but now you are clean. Instead you chose to argue and lie and you continue the lie even when the truth is included by a 3rd party news article. The article quotes you as admitting to used H just befor your arrest and says nothing about another guy. If he was there sure he would have been arrested as well and why would you admit to a higher crime of using H if you didn't. Your story conflictes with the article.

In regards to your business. If you are stil a user, then I do hope this hurts or stops your business. If you are clean, your business will be fine. You are young and hot and plenty of guys will want to see you. Only time will tell.[/QUOTE]The article very cleverly says that the police say that Allie told them. This is an important distinction.

[QUOTE]Police say she admitted to using heroin just before driving up to the gas station.[/QUOTE]If police ask to search your vehicle always say no. Make them get a warrant.

[QUOTE=LightYagami;3124965]The article very cleverly says that the police say that Allie told them. This is an important distinction.

If police ask to search your vehicle always say no. Make them get a warrant.[/QUOTE]I'm with Golf on this. Allie's story about it was the guy she bought pain pill from that had the Heroin, is shaky. The fact is it says right in the article that officers found a used needle in her backseat. Nuff said. I'd like to hear her explain that one away.

[QUOTE=LightYagami;3124965]The article very cleverly says that the police say that Allie told them. This is an important distinction.

If police ask to search your vehicle always say no. Make them get a warrant.[/QUOTE]Good grief. You are obviously missing my point, but what ever helps you sleep at night, white night.

I am going to use this thread as an example every time I tell a chick that getting involved in a fight is never a good idea. I tell them but they just won't listen.

A2.

[QUOTE=Admin2;3126060]I am going to use this thread as an example every time I tell a chick that getting involved in a fight is never a good idea. I tell them but they just won't listen.

A2.[/QUOTE]I wish you wouldn't let them make any post at all. When they do make a post it's usually a "thank you, you were great" type of post which is a bullshit way of promoting themselves or it winds up, like in the case of OxmoorAllie, stirring up unnecessary drama.

[QUOTE=Golf9979;3125752]Good grief. You are obviously missing my point, but what ever helps you sleep at night, white night.[/QUOTE]I was just trying to be fair in understanding both sides. The stupid cop got poked cause he wasn't careful. They wouldn't even put his name in the article. The article wasn't sourced or cited. Allie says the charges were dropped. That would make sense given the very tough charges against her. All of this seems fishy on both sides. Sleep well black Knight.

[QUOTE=Rlthree;3142533]Not exactly a ringing endorsement. I don't care either way, just don't try so hard to justify your actions. I don't think you owe anybody an explanation.[/QUOTE]I don't care either. The purpose of my post in the backpage thread was to express my opinion about the matter, not to offer any justification or explanation about anything. I have my own reasons for feeling like I do and they all come from firsthand experience. As far as I'm concerned I've given far more information to this forum than I've ever asked for and I do not owe anything to anybody.

Wasn't sure what thread to pose this question in. Does it seem that many providers that augment or enlarge themselves, somehow also seemingly disappear from the scene?

[QUOTE=SouthHunter74;3154304]Okay, which one of you sick bastards took some pics of themselves and posted an ad titled "Short and Sweet. Will Do Almost Anything 32" ? Whoever you are I'm sending you the bill for a sausage biscuit and drink.[/QUOTE]No doubt you are the most attractive person in louisville, so I can totally see your justification for making this kind of remark.

And face it, why waste all that time moving on when you don't like something, when you can feel better about yourself by making derogatory comments about somebody else?

[NOPARSE]/[/NOPARSE]z.

[QUOTE=MojoGuy;3156104]Is that the same Lyric that was part of LC's group of not drug free chicks about a year ago? She lived in an apartment in Crestwood at the time.[/QUOTE]Hey mojo. I posted a reply to your question and a photo of LC's Lyric in the Penrose thread. Because I'm still a regular member I'm pretty sure admin had to preapprove my post which leads me to believe that I did not violate any forum rules with the post but for some reason Penrose deleted it. I don't know the guy but he must have had a personal reason for doing it. I'll restate my belief that the Lyric girl that Penrose is promoting is the same Lyric that LC promoted. As evidence of my belief I have reposted the photo that Penrose posted in his thread alongside the one I posted in Penrose thread. The one I posted was originally posted by LC himself in this forum.

[QUOTE=GeoFisher;3158057]Hey mojo. I posted a reply to your question and a photo of LC's Lyric in the Penrose thread. Because I'm still a regular member I'm pretty sure admin had to preapprove my post which leads me to believe that I did not violate any forum rules with the post but for some reason Penrose deleted it. I don't know the guy but he must have had a personal reason for doing it. I'll restate my belief that the Lyric girl that Penrose is promoting is the same Lyric that LC promoted. As evidence of my belief I have reposted the photo that Penrose posted in his thread alongside the one I posted in Penrose thread. The one I posted was originally posted by LC himself in this forum.[/QUOTE]Does seem strange he deleted it. Oh well.

Zomby you are one old, stale, bastard with alot of ear hair that can't take a joke, or you enjoy being a white Knight for nasty hoes, but in either case I don't give a fuck. Maybe if you got laid you d laugh a little more.

[QUOTE=SouthHunter74;3158281]Zomby you are one old, stale, bastard with alot of ear hair that can't take a joke, or you enjoy being a white Knight for nasty hoes, but in either case I don't give a fuck. Maybe if you got laid you d laugh a little more.[/QUOTE]Did I hit a nerve there? Does the name calling make you feel better about yourself, too?

I guess whatever helps you sleep at night, sweetheart.

[NOPARSE]/[/NOPARSE]z.

Sleep like a baby, but then again I don't stay up late trying to rescue and defend nasty hoes like some folks.

[QUOTE=GeoFisher;3158057]Hey mojo. I posted a reply to your question and a photo of LC's Lyric in the Penrose thread. Because I'm still a regular member I'm pretty sure admin had to preapprove my post which leads me to believe that I did not violate any forum rules with the post but for some reason Penrose deleted it. I don't know the guy but he must have had a personal reason for doing it. I'll restate my belief that the Lyric girl that Penrose is promoting is the same Lyric that LC promoted. As evidence of my belief I have reposted the photo that Penrose posted in his thread alongside the one I posted in Penrose thread. The one I posted was originally posted by LC himself in this forum.[/QUOTE]Thanks for posting. Next time I talk to Kori I'll have her confirm who's in the pics. She was buds with LC's Lyric so she should know.

[QUOTE=SouthHunter74;3158281]Zomby you are one old, stale, bastard with alot of ear hair that can't take a joke, or you enjoy being a white Knight for nasty hoes, but in either case I don't give a fuck. Maybe if you got laid you d laugh a little more.[/QUOTE]Why so pissy?

[QUOTE=GeoFisher;3158057]Hey mojo. I posted a reply to your question and a photo of LC's Lyric in the Penrose thread. Because I'm still a regular member I'm pretty sure admin had to preapprove my post which leads me to believe that I did not violate any forum rules with the post but for some reason Penrose deleted it. I don't know the guy but he must have had a personal reason for doing it. I'll restate my belief that the Lyric girl that Penrose is promoting is the same Lyric that LC promoted. As evidence of my belief I have reposted the photo that Penrose posted in his thread alongside the one I posted in Penrose thread. The one I posted was originally posted by LC himself in this forum.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=MojoGuy;3158440]Thanks for posting. Next time I talk to Kori I'll have her confirm who's in the pics. She was buds with LC's Lyric so she should know.[/QUOTE]I spoke with Kori yesterday and had her take a look at the Penrose Lyric pic. She said the chick in that pic looks like LC's Lyric's mother.

LemmonFlavedAssKiss really?

LOL!! Come on who's is it?

[QUOTE=HoosierCream;3193365]I saw Lyric again tonight, I've seen both the photos. I'm pretty sure they are both of Lyric, one may be a bit older picture. But who really cares and what difference does it make? Both pics are of hot chicks, and I've been lucky enough to see at least one, if it's the same chick in both pics then I've seen both!

HC.[/QUOTE]I moved this from Penrose thread to bbq because just as sure as buzzard shit stinks he would delete it. As far as I'm concerned you can have either or both Lyric's for your very own. My comment about the Lyric pics was made in reply to Swizzlestick's inquiry and personally I don't care which or what Lyric is in the pics either. If she is indeed LC's Lyric and considering what I've heard about that chick from Kori I wouldn't touch her with a ten foot pole but that's just me. If not for what I've been told I still wouldn't touch her simply because of her past association with LC. Anyone that has read LC's confession that he made on this board should get where I'm coming from. To each his own though.

[QUOTE=MojoGuy;3194259]I moved this from Penrose thread to bbq because just as sure as buzzard shit stinks he would delete it. As far as I'm concerned you can have either or both Lyric's for your very own. My comment about the Lyric pics was made in reply to Swizzlestick's inquiry and personally I don't care which or what Lyric is in the pics either. If she is indeed LC's Lyric and considering what I've heard about that chick from Kori I wouldn't touch her with a ten foot pole but that's just me. If not for what I've been told I still wouldn't touch her simply because of her past association with LC. Anyone that has read LC's confession that he made on this board should get where I'm coming from. To each his own though.[/QUOTE]I deleted her pic because she would rather not have any public pics of her self. I think I generally allow anyone to say anything about the approved girls good or bad. At least I try.

[QUOTE=Penrose;3194433]I deleted her pic because she would rather not have any public pics of her self. I think I generally allow anyone to say anything about the approved girls good or bad. At least I try.[/QUOTE]I was refering to the post that geofisher made. I just so happened to see it before you deleted it and other than a negative comment he made about Lyric I didn't see anything wrong with it. Since geo is a newb I would think A2 would have to approve it before it was posted but perhaps I'm wrong and that policy has been changed since I was a newb.

[QUOTE=Namilab;3226528]I think everyone sees what's up. When you give feedback, you're met with a lawyerly defense for a response. Honestly, sounds like GPS to me.

With so many mongers repeating a similar tale, a smart provider might think about running a special for members, offering a code. While at the same time taking the criticism as an opportunity to learn something and make corrections. I'd recommend returning to $. 50 - with a code. For a few weeks to restore confidence. Any white knights can feel free to lay out the current rate for a couch.[/QUOTE]I definitely agree with you. Believe me, I am taking all of this as constructive criticism and making sure all of my clients leave happy. This is my livelihood. This is how I support myself so I want to make sure I am putting every ounce of effort into it that I can so my customers stay happy!! I have messaged one in particular with the chance to come see me free of charge so I can make things right.

Anyone who had a lackluster experience is welcome to text me with USA name or PM me so I can have another chance to make things right.

I appreciate every one being honest. I just want you guys to know, I take my work very seriously! I want everyone to enjoy their experience with me. If our session hasn't been as good as you want it, please give me a second chance! The majority seem to enjoy their experience with me, so if you give me another chance, I guarantee I can sway your opinion about me. (: I am doing my absolute best to use up every minute in my recently scheduled appointments. I definitely am learning from the constructive criticism.

[QUOTE=SelenaGoddess;3226766]I definitely agree with you. Believe me, I am taking all of this as constructive criticism and making sure all of my clients leave happy. This is my livelihood. This is how I support myself so I want to make sure I am putting every ounce of effort into it that I can so my customers stay happy!! I have messaged one in particular with the chance to come see me free of charge so I can make things right.

Anyone who had a lackluster experience is welcome to text me with USA name or PM me so I can have another chance to make things right.

I appreciate every one being honest. I just want you guys to know, I take my work very seriously! I want everyone to enjoy their experience with me. If our session hasn't been as good as you want it, please give me a second chance! The majority seem to enjoy their experience with me, so if you give me another chance, I guarantee I can sway your opinion about me. (: I am doing my absolute best to use up every minute in my recently scheduled appointments. I definitely am learning from the constructive criticism.[/QUOTE]You seem pretty sincere to me, and you seem to honestly care about customer service. This game comes and goes in waves. I have never seen you, but I have seen your ads around, going back 2 years or so. Recently you have become somewhat of the hot "it" girl. Now, I can remember back when you had all bad reviews and were something of a mystery. I believe everyone can change and deserves a chance, and you seemed to have gotten way better or else you wouldn't have all the good reviews on here. The only thing I know about you is that you are beautiful imo, for my taste you look just right and I look forward to seeing you soon. Some advice though, it is a universal no no to EVER ask a guy if he is going to cum soon or if he is almost done etc etc. It is an automatic mood killer and hard on killer. So it worries me the report of you doing that. One thing I have learned in this game is how little women understand about the male psyche and libido.

With all of the discussion that is taking place regarding Selena as of late, I thought I would share my experience.

I texted regarding availability yesterday and recieved a quick response. An appointment for HH was made and she accommodated my request for a specific time.

Upon arrival she greeted me at the door and looked very good. Her pictures are an accurate representation of her current appearance. Her body is quite nice, small amount of baby damage but that doesn't bother me the least.

She is a true GFE provider. DFK, DATY and BBBJ for me prior to putting on the cover where she rode me CG.

This was my first experience with her and it certainly won't be my last. She is everything I look for in a provider. She is clean, drug free, easy to communicate with and provides a wonderful experience. Please treat her well fellas!

[QUOTE=Harley08;3171191]I recently have gotten some messages from some board members concerning Star Baby and whether she is pregnant or not. Let me say first and foremost that she is not pregnant. I think that she is being confused with the other Star that posts and has ads. I first met Star Baby as a client and over time we became close friends, more so than client / provider. Yes, she went through some hard times and made bad decisions but she is getting her life back in order and being pregnant is definitely not on her bucket list. I live in West TN now and don't post much anymore as Star Baby was the only provider that I saw here. I come to Louisville once a month and Star Baby and I always meet each time when I am here. We constantly talk and text and if she was pregnant, we most surely would have talked about it. As for her location, someone in a post mentioned her driveway and it is steep and kind of bumpy, but what waits at the end, makes the adventure well worth it. Guys, it's the holidays, so please remember the ladies that we visit and leave a little something extra.[/QUOTE]Well everyone can believe whatever you want but the facts are (last names not included because there are a million people with these first names):

Jim died on March 10,2016. Many of you know his last name and we all know how torn up she was over his death. He was the love of her life. She didn't know if she could survive without him. Oops.

Star Baby, Bethani married William Andrew (Drew) on March 25, 2016. Wait that's only 15 days after Jim passed away. I guess the mourning period for a sociopath is less than 14 days.

The newlyweds are expecting their first child in May of 2017. Ok, I guess that means she is pregnant unless he is and that would be one for the record books.

Hey hun, your Promissory Note is Due. Small claims in Kentucky is easy to file on-line. Oh just in case you are still with AA or NA, Step Eight is [B]"We made a list of all the persons we had harmed and became willing to make amends to them all"[/B]. So can I expect your payment anytime soon? Welcome to 2017 Bethani!

[QUOTE=FreckleFreak;3239076]Well everyone can believe whatever you want but the facts are (last names not included because there are a million people with these first names):

Jim died on March 10,2016. Many of you know his last name and we all know how torn up she was over his death. He was the love of her life. She didn't know if she could survive without him. Oops.

Star Baby, Bethani married William Andrew (Drew) on March 25, 2016. Wait that's only 15 days after Jim passed away. I guess the mourning period for a sociopath is less than 14 days.

The newlyweds are expecting their first child in May of 2017. Ok, I guess that means she is pregnant unless he is and that would be one for the record books.

Hey hun, your Promissory Note is Due. Small claims in Kentucky is easy to file on-line. Oh just in case you are still with AA or NA, Step Eight is [B]"We made a list of all the persons we had harmed and became willing to make amends to them all"[/B]. So can I expect your payment anytime soon? Welcome to 2017 Bethani![/QUOTE]What really surprised me after reading your original story about Star Baby was all of the positive third-party reports about how she had turned her life around and was doing so well. I'm in my 60's and have had my own encounters with women like her (all many years ago). A person just doesn't make those immediate turnarounds unless they get long term professional help. 3 days in rehab won't do it. From my own experiences, you WANT to believe what they are telling you. You avoid the inconsistencies and essentially convince yourself. That is exactly what "she" counts on and takes advantage of. The really dangerous ones play the long game, befriending you with little or no payoff, sometimes for years, until they are ready to strike.

She may be great in bed, just watch out when her lips are moving and your dick isn't between them.

We all want to believe in people, I two tried to help Star Baby, she is one of the biggest Sociopathic Liar I have ever met. Freckle Freak if she pays you back, I must be next on her list, I'll hold my breath till then. Look for the blue boy in the corner!

BG,

Have fun, play safe, do your research, give and get respect, find some crazy good and TPHFB!

[QUOTE=FreckleFreak;3239076]Well everyone can believe whatever you want but the facts are (last names not included because there are a million people with these first names):

Jim died on March 10,2016. Many of you know his last name and we all know how torn up she was over his death. He was the love of her life. She didn't know if she could survive without him. Oops.

Star Baby, Bethani married William Andrew (Drew) on March 25, 2016. Wait that's only 15 days after Jim passed away. I guess the mourning period for a sociopath is less than 14 days.

The newlyweds are expecting their first child in May of 2017. Ok, I guess that means she is pregnant unless he is and that would be one for the record books.

Hey hun, your Promissory Note is Due. Small claims in Kentucky is easy to file on-line. Oh just in case you are still with AA or NA, Step Eight is [B]"We made a list of all the persons we had harmed and became willing to make amends to them all"[/B]. So can I expect your payment anytime soon? Welcome to 2017 Bethani![/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=FreckleFreak;3239076]Well everyone can believe whatever you want but the facts are (last names not included because there are a million people with these first names):

Jim died on March 10,2016. Many of you know his last name and we all know how torn up she was over his death. He was the love of her life. She didn't know if she could survive without him. Oops.

Star Baby, Bethani married William Andrew (Drew) on March 25, 2016. Wait that's only 15 days after Jim passed away. I guess the mourning period for a sociopath is less than 14 days.

The newlyweds are expecting their first child in May of 2017. Ok, I guess that means she is pregnant unless he is and that would be one for the record books.

Hey hun, your Promissory Note is Due. Small claims in Kentucky is easy to file on-line. Oh just in case you are still with AA or NA, Step Eight is [B]"We made a list of all the persons we had harmed and became willing to make amends to them all"[/B]. So can I expect your payment anytime soon? Welcome to 2017 Bethani![/QUOTE]Watch out FF. Oldtramp will attack you for suggesting anything remotely negative about SB. He must be an easy mark for the hapless drugettes.

[QUOTE=FreckleFreak;3239076]Well everyone can believe whatever you want but the facts are (last names not included because there are a million people with these first names):

Jim died on March 10,2016. Many of you know his last name and we all know how torn up she was over his death. He was the love of her life. She didn't know if she could survive without him. Oops.

Star Baby, Bethani married William Andrew (Drew) on March 25, 2016. Wait that's only 15 days after Jim passed away. I guess the mourning period for a sociopath is less than 14 days.

The newlyweds are expecting their first child in May of 2017. Ok, I guess that means she is pregnant unless he is and that would be one for the record books.

Hey hun, your Promissory Note is Due. Small claims in Kentucky is easy to file on-line. Oh just in case you are still with AA or NA, Step Eight is [B]"We made a list of all the persons we had harmed and became willing to make amends to them all"[/B]. So can I expect your payment anytime soon? Welcome to 2017 Bethani![/QUOTE]If any of you did any checking on social media it literally would take you about 30 seconds to verify FF's veracity about StarBaby. My suspicion is that her hubby works 6-2:30 with a half hour commute M-F. Now about all them pregnancy changes. Bigger boobs, meatier nipples, wetter pussy. It's a fetish in the making!

If it's not "how do you like your dick sucked" or "do you like mish, doggie or cowgirl," why do you give a shit what she says?

I have to agree. Who cares who she is married to or if she is have Octuplets or not. If you still have a beef with her take it up with her or just let it go and hope karma catches up. Half of louisville has ran threw it by now I don't think she draws any interest at this point. Worry less about her and more about bending over some sweet ass and you ll be alot better off.

[QUOTE=Zomby;3240868]If it's not "how do you like your dick sucked" or "do you like mish, doggie or cowgirl," why do you give a shit what she says?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=SouthHunter74;3240958]I have to agree. Who cares who she is married to or if she is have Octuplets or not. If you still have a beef with her take it up with her or just let it go and hope karma catches up. Half of louisville has ran threw it by now I don't think she draws any interest at this point. Worry less about her and more about bending over some sweet ass and you ll be alot better off.[/QUOTE]I don't care what she says unless she says "What's your bank account so I can deposit what I owe you". I didn't quote her in my post, I quoted Harley08. He is a monger with blinders on just like all the mongers that still see her. My warning is that she is a sociopath, definition: [B]A person with a personality disorder manifesting itself in extreme antisocial attitudes and behavior and a lack of conscience[/B]. She has already taken others even since Jim passed away and she cleaned herself up. She stole, lied, deceived and harmed her own family without a bit of remorse. She has zero concern for any monger on this board. Those of you with wives, SO's, families, or anything that is important to you [B][red]RISK[/red][/B] it all by seeing her because she has no conscience, lacks any type of remorse, will do anything necessary to get what she wants. Remember that she had Jim beaten up and when asked why she said "Because I could". So who knows which one of you will be her next victim. Which one of you will visit her to get your "dick sucked, mish, doggie or cowgirl" and then get beat up, robbed, family contacted, or a myriad of other antisocial behaviors directed towards you because your little head wanted some pussy!

So Louisville hobbyist's do what you want, it's your choice, you life, your safety. You never know when, where and how this Sociopath might strike next. Of course it could never happen to you, because it only happens to "other" people.

Thank you Golf, this is exactly the kind of information us mongers want to see! The bad, along with the good!

BG,

Play safe, have fun, give and get respect, do your research, find some crazy good and TPHFB!

[QUOTE=Golf9979;3123952]Look, first off this site is for us to review girls that have sex for money and to trade information about them that is helpful to us. This means the good AND the bad. All I said in my original post was that I thought you used to be a junkie and I was simply asking if you were clean or not. Again, this for the benefit of the guys not the girls. Needle users pose a high risk to us and we have the right to point out a history if we want. All you had to do was to say that you used to be a user but now you are clean. Instead you chose to argue and lie and you continue the lie even when the truth is included by a 3rd party news article. The article quotes you as admitting to used H just befor your arrest and says nothing about another guy. If he was there sure he would have been arrested as well and why would you admit to a higher crime of using H if you didn't. Your story conflictes with the article.

In regards to your business. If you are stil a user, then I do hope this hurts or stops your business. If you are clean, your business will be fine. You are young and hot and plenty of guys will want to see you. Only time will tell.[/QUOTE]

FreckleFreak I just don't understand why you continue to throw dirt on my name. For months I have ignored your texts for a reason. You text me pretending to be all nice and acting like you care and then you log into your USA account and have shit to say about me. Just like when you met me for breakfast after Jim died. I seen through the fake shit then. Why do you care what I do with my life? I have over a year clean which is more than I could have ever said for myself in my past. I have busted my ass over the last year attending AA and NA meetings 7 days a week, going to therapy and working on my issues, working a 12 step program with my sponsor and being active in my sobriety. I am happy, healthy and doing wonderful. Something you wouldn't know because you and I do not speak or see each other. I bought a house and some land a couple months back and have worked really hard to get where I am today. Your Ursula Saga is just the cold-hearted truth about the life of an addict. Everyone I have met since I came back were told that I am a recovering addict. I have nothing to hide and have been honest about what my addiction put me through. Hell even admitting that my addiction took a toll on Jim and how I believe it played a huge part in him going I to cardiac arrest. I've recently blocked you and about 100 other people on my Facebook. I know what my profile says. I was the one who made the changes. The family that I hate so much happened to be the whole reason I changed it in the first place. It's my Facebook and I do with it what I please. Seems to me that you spend a great deal of time worried about what I am doing and what's going on in my life. Why can't you just move on and quit worrying about me? I treat people who have seen me with respect, they are welcomed with a smile and come in to a spotless home. I provide them with great service and a drama free session. I treat them how I want to be treated. I have turned my whole life around and enjoy life now. I do not sit and dwell on my past but have learned from my mistakes and work hard each day to be a better person. Feels as if you just can't accept the fact that I'm doing good and have changed my ways. Also feels like you seen the opportunity to stir shit up just because you wanted to. You knew me them but you don't know me at all now and never will. I am a recovering addict and damn proud of myself. Have a wonderful day.

Star, your pontification holds no water with me, many on this board, many in your past life and those that you have harmed even since you became "Sober". Yes you have stolen or scammed others since your "Sobriety". Yes it was their choice to believe in you and help you out with certain expectations, but it was your choice to continue with your addictive behavior and take from them knowing you would not make good on your promises.

You need not tell me about addiction and NA. I am more familiar with it than you will ever be, because I lived it through the eyes of my deceased fiance for over 5 years. I live it today and give back to others on a daily basis in memory of her achievement. I will always stand by any addict that is in recovery, even you. I do this because an addict in recovery should be supported and praised for their accomplishment. It's a very hard road to travel and if you are truly on that road then I commend you.

You may not be an active user, but you have yet to start your recovery. I remember that breakfast very well. I remember the humility in your spoken words about how you and your sponsor had discussed the need for you to start to repay those who you had harmed. How you needed to repay me and even BGUAM. Yet you once again fail to follow the steps of your sobriety. Did you bypass step eight? It is obvious from the words of your post that you have not truly tested your newfound humility because of the title to your post [B]I Will Never Understand[/B]. It is your inability to "understand" that tells me you have not a care in the world to even begin to make "Amends to those you have harmed". Not one word in you post even begins to show the Humility of what step eight requires. Maybe you and your sponsor should revisit this step so you can once again start the forgiveness process, so you can possibly forgive and be forgiven.

I care not what you do in your life, but I do care about your sobriety. I may never like you or trust you but I will always hope that you stay sober because that achievement is paramount. So please don't continue to lie to this board about how you have truly "changed your ways". You, your sponsor, others on this board, others in your life and I know the truth because there is no humility in your post. Only the Star, the addict, hopefully a recovering addict not an active one, but one who still has very addictive behaviors. Make amends and then you will make believers of us all. Then I will move on.

An alternate opinion.

[URL]http://www.npr.org/2014/03/23/291405829/with-sobering-science-doctor-debunks-12-step-recovery[/URL]

[QUOTE=GeoFisher;3158057]Hey mojo. I posted a reply to your question and a photo of LC's Lyric in the Penrose thread. Because I'm still a regular member I'm pretty sure admin had to preapprove my post which leads me to believe that I did not violate any forum rules with the post but for some reason Penrose deleted it. I don't know the guy but he must have had a personal reason for doing it. I'll restate my belief that the Lyric girl that Penrose is promoting is the same Lyric that LC promoted. As evidence of my belief I have reposted the photo that Penrose posted in his thread alongside the one I posted in Penrose thread. The one I posted was originally posted by LC himself in this forum.[/QUOTE]I know these post are kinda old but I would just like to clear a few things up. Both pictures are if me LYRIC. And like hc stated one of the pics were takin like a yr and a half ago. And it's a horrible pic. I'm honestly not even sure how lc got that pic to post. But anyways. It's most deffientaly not my mother! Kori prolly thought it was my mother because I just recently cut my hair short and my moms hair is short. Also before someone goes calling someone a heroin addict they should at least no who they are speaking about. I never lived in an apartment in Crestwood. You have me confused with Jamie. And yes I know kori but her and Jamie were besties. So all that info about me is 100% false. You have me and Jamie mixed up. Thanks! Xoxo.

[QUOTE=Goddesslyric;3256132]I know these post are kinda old but I would just like to clear a few things up. Both pictures are if me LYRIC. And like hc stated one of the pics were takin like a yr and a half ago. And it's a horrible pic. I'm honestly not even sure how lc got that pic to post. But anyways. It's most deffientaly not my mother! Kori prolly thought it was my mother because I just recently cut my hair short and my moms hair is short. Also before someone goes calling someone a heroin addict they should at least no who they are speaking about. I never lived in an apartment in Crestwood. You have me confused with Jamie. And yes I know kori but her and Jamie were besties. So all that info about me is 100% false. You have me and Jamie mixed up. Thanks! Xoxo.[/QUOTE]Since I'm the one that sent the pic to and spoke with Kori about you, are you sure your statement wasn't meant for me? If so I know Jamie very well, even been with her a time or two and I have also been to the apartment where Jamie lived at in Crestwood on more than one occasion and there's no case of mistaken identity so all that info is not 100% false. Don't doubt that I know more than what I'm writing in this post but I say live and let live. Do you agree??

I care not what you do in your life, but I do care about your sobriety. I may never like you or trust you but I will always hope that you stay sober because that achievement is paramount. So please don't continue to lie to this board about how you have truly "changed your ways". You, your sponsor, others on this board, others in your life and I know the truth because there is no humility in your post. Only the Star, the addict, hopefully a recovering addict not an active one, but one who still has very addictive behaviors. Make amends and then you will make believers of us all. Then I will move on.[/QUOTE]Stating a case then letting the crowds decide? You wrote your Homeric dialogue and stated your cases on her very succinctly. Let those who know her and read your posts on her decide. Otherwise you are beating a dead horse and that is NOT AT ALL LIKE YOU. Let her survive or go down the tubes on her own actitions and merits. JM 02 cents worth. Is she worth all this and if so for what purpose my friend? Not everyone can get the bigger picture.

[QUOTE=BigMack;3258476]I care not what you do in your life, but I do care about your sobriety. I may never like you or trust you but I will always hope that you stay sober because that achievement is paramount. So please don't continue to lie to this board about how you have truly "changed your ways". You, your sponsor, others on this board, others in your life and I know the truth because there is no humility in your post. Only the Star, the addict, hopefully a recovering addict not an active one, but one who still has very addictive behaviors. Make amends and then you will make believers of us all. Then I will move on. Stating a case then letting the crowds decide? You wrote your Homeric dialogue and stated your cases on her very succinctly. Let those who know her and read your posts on her decide. Otherwise you are beating a dead horse and that is NOT AT ALL LIKE YOU. Let her survive or go down the tubes on her own actitions and merits. JM 02 cents worth. Is she worth all this and if so for what purpose my friend? Not everyone can get the bigger picture.[/QUOTE]I would certainly hope that us mongers would know that you can't believe what most of these chicks write in this forum so don't you or FF allow yourselves to get upset over what she's saying because there's a good chance that her only interest is in protecting her income and nothing else. I've always believed that addictions is what sways most of these girls to start fucking for money to begin with and when one gets clean and is truly in recovery she will not want to be an escort anymore and will quit that too. As far as I'm concerned the fact that she is still an escort closes the case on NotKnown. To prove my point I know several girls that has quit drugs and everyone of them quit being an escort as well. Most of them has since relapsed and all of those that did relapse has started back fucking for money again. All the more reason why I believe escorts should not be allowed to post on here because we can't and should not believe anything they say.