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[QUOTE=CookyJar]No explanation needed, Looking #1. It's a nice picture. I've like it from the first time I saw it. You should do more.
CookyJar[/QUOTE]
I have been forced into retirement, LE gave me written trespassing warning if I am found on the Ave again.. :( It is not worth the chance.
[QUOTE=Looking #1]I have been forced into retirement, LE gave me written trespassing warning if I am found on the Ave again.. :( It is not worth the chance.[/QUOTE]
Looking - what does that mean? If you are found on the Ave again for any reason you will be arrested? Did you pick up a girl and get caught? Would like to know the specifics for my edification.
Regards,
JohnnyB
[QUOTE=JohnnyBlazze]Looking - what does that mean? If you are found on the Ave again for any reason you will be arrested? Did you pick up a girl and get caught? Would like to know the specifics for my edification.
Regards,
JohnnyB[/QUOTE]
Yes for any reason I will be arrested on a treaspassing charge.
I have a very noticable car, One day last year the had an ULE sitting in the park near Tigoa looking for vehicles driving around. Well I drove by one to many times and got pulled over (No Girl in car). After checking for wants and warrants they came back to the vehicle had me get out for a photo and was issued an exclustion order. Since I live about 25 miles away the is no legit reason for begin on the Ave and they know I was there for a girl or drugs (LE words not mine). After checking with a laywer, He stated the only way I can get it lifted it to go before a Judge and explain why I was there (Not worth the hassle). The order will expire in two years on it's own. These orders have been used in other state's mostly on known girl's to get them off the street without actually witnessing any thing.
And with Nutter and the new Chief in charge now I bet there will be more issued by LE. I just don't want to get arrested on a treaspassing charge and have to go thru the hassle of going to court or explain it at work if they find out.
I need to get a cheaper mongering car that will blend's in once it expire's.
I hoped this explained it.
Thanks Looking#1 for sharing your story. Many times I have witnessed some high profile cars cruising the Ave. Remember one a couple of years ago with a blown muffler that made such a distinctive sound I usually heard him coming before I spotted him. Ran into him off and on for over a year. Others have some wild rides that just stand out. Was in the auto industry for a number of years and actually recognized my customers not by face but by their car. I dosen't take much to stand out, a missing hubcap, dented fender, unusual paint scheme etc. LE live out of thier cars and that is what they are watching all day long. If you don't blend in, make a pass or two and then "get out of Dodge."
[QUOTE=Glenn61]Tell him he has grossly misjudged you,,,you're there looking for this girl...... :D[/QUOTE]
I'd stay away, either try Camden, AC or somewhere else for a while or get an old truck like I did. I got a beat up basic Ford Truck it blended in perfectly. I have since sold it and retired. I have a new car, but use my Philly's Friend old beat up 1987 Chevy, if I ever get the feeling to go back down there. You can get laid a lot of places outside for a just slighty more than it would cost you on the K, but you might be safer and it might cost you less in gas. I am retired and with gas so high I plan to stay that way. Fixed income stinks! Still I will come back now and then when I have the money. Why not I am not getting any younger!
[QUOTE=Looking #1]Yes for any reason I will be arrested on a treaspassing charge.
I have a very noticable car, One day last year the had an ULE sitting in the park near Tigoa looking for vehicles driving around. Well I drove by one to many times and got pulled over (No Girl in car). After checking for wants and warrants they came back to the vehicle had me get out for a photo and was issued an exclustion order. Since I live about 25 miles away the is no legit reason for begin on the Ave and they know I was there for a girl or drugs (LE words not mine). After checking with a laywer, He stated the only way I can get it lifted it to go before a Judge and explain why I was there (Not worth the hassle). The order will expire in two years on it's own. These orders have been used in other state's mostly on known girl's to get them off the street without actually witnessing any thing.
And with Nutter and the new Chief in charge now I bet there will be more issued by LE. I just don't want to get arrested on a treaspassing charge and have to go thru the hassle of going to court or explain it at work if they find out. I need to get a cheaper mongering car that will blend's in once it expire's.
I hoped this explained it.[/QUOTE]
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As I prefer to maintain my anonymity I will simply state the following: I have many years of experience interacting with respective state and federal courts (not as a criminal).
Sans, though I am no Oliver Wendell Holmes, JR. I do have a firm orientation of the law (particularly Federal legislation). The following commentary though will not be earth shattering or knowledge not already beknownst to most fellow mongers.
To preface: I'm not a cop - In fact I revile them. But I do have a great deal to lose if pinched for mongering per my vocation (I've simply been "lucky" all these years).
1). The attorney who advised that nothing could be done per the photographing and issuance of an "exclusion order" is full of shit just like the Philly P.D.
The "Fuzz" is empowered to execute the above due to an existing city ordinance. Not state law, not federal law.
2). As fellow mongers are aware, when applying the law in the order of precedence the following is inarguable:
a). State law precedes any city ordinance(s) if such ordinance(s) defy/undermine applicable state legislation;
b). Federal law precedes any state legislation that defy/undermine applicable federal legislation.
All hereunder is common knowledge. The Philly cops know damn well that the methodology being executed to deter mongering blatantly quashes one's constitutional rights; state and federal.
In truth, one has the right to drive wherever and whenever one desires. You have the right to drive up and down the "K" for two days straight if you choose.
As long as the fuzz has not been witness to the commission of a crime they have no right to pull anyone over let alone photograph you and hand out some BS "exclusion order".
The sad truth: In the short term the fuzz is empowered by ordinance to throw anyone's ass in jail.
There is a resolution: Reiterating the obvious - the City Of Philadelphia has such an ordinance. The ordinance wields its sword - only made "mighty" by the sheer number of cops on the streets.
But "Mongers in numbers" may wield a mighty sword as well.
The state's attorney for the state of PA. Is in Philadelphia.
If all mongers of the "K" were to relentlessly barrage the state's attorney’s office with "polite" phone calls expressing their objection to being unjustly "profiled" the state would eventually collapse.
The city of Phili. would be strongly advised to cease and desist.
Again, to rid the fuzz of their ability to oppress and intimidate, Mongers by the dozens would have to telephone the office of the state's attorney RELENTLESSLY.
Every minute during business hours - every business day - Quite possibly for days, weeks or months (Remember to "block" your phone number from being identified).
I feel relatively confident though that this would bring results.
Best,
Old School 62
[QUOTE=Old School 62]_______________________________________________________________
As I prefer to maintain my anonymity I will simply state the following: I have many years of experience interacting with respective state and federal courts (not as a criminal).
Sans, though I am no Oliver Wendell Holmes, JR. I do have a firm orientation of the law (particularly Federal legislation). The following commentary though will not be earth shattering or knowledge not already beknownst to most fellow mongers.
To preface: I'm not a cop - In fact I revile them. But I do have a great deal to lose if pinched for mongering per my vocation (I've simply been "lucky" all these years).
1). The attorney who advised that nothing could be done per the photographing and issuance of an "exclusion order" is full of shit just like the Philly P.D.
The "Fuzz" is empowered to execute the above due to an existing city ordinance. Not state law, not federal law.
2). As fellow mongers are aware, when applying the law in the order of precedence the following is inarguable:
a). State law precedes any city ordinance(s) if such ordinance(s) defy/undermine applicable state legislation;
b). Federal law precedes any state legislation that defy/undermine applicable federal legislation.
All hereunder is common knowledge. The Philly cops know damn well that the methodology being executed to deter mongering blatantly quashes one's constitutional rights; state and federal.
In truth, one has the right to drive wherever and whenever one desires. You have the right to drive up and down the "K" for two days straight if you choose.
As long as the fuzz has not been witness to the commission of a crime they have no right to pull anyone over let alone photograph you and hand out some BS "exclusion order".
The sad truth: In the short term the fuzz is empowered by ordinance to throw anyone's ass in jail.
There is a resolution: Reiterating the obvious - the City Of Philadelphia has such an ordinance. The ordinance wields its sword - only made "mighty" by the sheer number of cops on the streets.
But "Mongers in numbers" may wield a mighty sword as well.
The state's attorney for the state of PA. Is in Philadelphia.
If all mongers of the "K" were to relentlessly barrage the state's attorney’s office with "polite" phone calls expressing their objection to being unjustly "profiled" the state would eventually collapse.
The city of Phili. would be strongly advised to cease and desist.
Again, to rid the fuzz of their ability to oppress and intimidate, Mongers by the dozens would have to telephone the office of the state's attorney RELENTLESSLY.
Every minute during business hours - every business day - Quite possibly for days, weeks or months (Remember to "block" your phone number from being identified).
I feel relatively confident though that this would bring results.
Best,
Old School 62[/QUOTE]
I just want to clear up one thing the lawyer (A friend of mine since High School) never said nothing could be done, He just explained that I would have to go to court to fight it. I elected not to, A little bit of tirm is not worth the risk that the story might get picked up by the news and then have my face displayed every where.
[QUOTE=Looking #1]I just want to clear up one thing the lawyer (A friend of mine since High School) never said nothing could be done, He just explained that I would have to go to court to fight it. I elected not to, A little bit of tirm is not worth the risk that the story might get picked up by the news and then have my face displayed every where.[/QUOTE]
I really want to apologize for being vague per "This is BS". I meant it as an overall commentary per the actions of the cops, etc.
My address was soley that Looking #1. I am entirely at fault and again, should of been more clear per my rant.
You are absolutely correct. In your position, with an "exclusion order" having been wriiten, It is prudent to stay away.
Your friend gave you sound legal direction. Going to court would be costly and would not accomplish jack shit. As well, my crude communication would lead anyone to assume I was making a personal affront per your friend.
I will be more considerate when composing a contribution to the board.
Sorry Looking #1...
Old School 62
[QUOTE=JohnnyBlazze][ Liz ] is 21 and told me she has been doing this for 6 years, that would make her 15 when she started. You would figure a girl that has been working in the industry that long would be beat down by time, not to be the case.
I have pics and will post one now. For the whole collection I am thinking about waiting until a few more folks post on this board w/ pics on the hobby.
By the way I have a money shot in the collection that is by far my best work if I do say so myself.====[/QUOTE]
JohnnyBlazze, nice photo of Liz. Very sexy lady. Thanks for uploading it. However, my guess is she's not 21 like she says, but 31. Don't feel bad, though, because I often have a hard time telling the age of ladies between 20 and 32 myself--they all look so youthful at all of those ages. I just turned 40 myself, but I had a lady street walker say she was 28, and I would have sworn she was 21. I think it's very hard to distinguish ages between 20 and 32.
If you look closely at Liz's eyelids, you can see a little cellulite, blue veins. So that's another reason I think she may be 31, not 21, which would mean she started working at 25, not 15 [chuckle] :)
A few months ago, a strip club dancer told me she was 21, and I totally believed her--very young appearance. A month later when I saw her again, she said she was 25 [chuckle]. So I'm guessing the stripper is probably 31. Ladies so often seem to pad their ages by 5 to 10 years, don't they [Lol] :) Again, thanks for the great photo.
[QUOTE=JohnnyBlazze]Fellas,
Lets leave CJ alone, he brings alot to the philly board. All the effort towards nocking him down and none towards adding to the forum is frustrating.
Now with that said, I found a peach on the Ave by the name of Liz. She is 21 and told me she has been doing this for 6 years, that would make her 15 when she started. You would figure a girl that has been working in the industry that long would be beat down by time, not to be the case. IMHO she is a dime on the ave, very affordable, clean, cute and tight. Willing to please and never rushed. Just a great find.
I have pics and will post one now. For the whole collection I am thinking about waiting until a few more folks post on this board w/ pics on the hobby.
By the way I have a money shot in the collection that is by far my best work if I do say so myself.
Regards,
JohnnyB[/QUOTE]
Dude; I was going to say that pic is a good one because you can see that pretty face ( nice find btw) just starting to lick around the head. Makes a nice visual thinking about the outcum :-) Thanks for sharing.
[QUOTE=Rosco2] However, my guess is she's not 21 like she says, but 31. [/QUOTE]
You apparently have definitely, absolutely, positively have not yet seen Liz.
Always like your pics JB, but I'm keeping my mouth shut about her. It's nice still be able to find her when you want.
Well, I dunno. But I tend to think lots of ladies pad their ages by 5 years when they're in their twenties, and pad by 10 years when they're in their 30's and 40's.
It surprised me when I learned that even some 20-something's were padding their ages. A few months ago, there was this lady who advertised in St. Louis on Craig's List and Backpage, saying she was [color=brown][b][u]23[/u][/b][/color]. She went by the name of Angel, and was 4'11" in height. Well, Angel got in trouble with police when she would walk into outcalls at clients' homes, then quickly walk out while letting in 2 of her male thug friends who would rob the clients inside their own homes. Thankfully, she got caught, and police reported her age to the newspapers as [color=brown][b][u]27[/u][/b][/color], not 23. So even a sexy 27 year-old was shaving 4 years from her age, in her ads.
That's nothing, though. About a year ago, I called a lady advertising in my local newspaper. She said she was 26 over the phone. I go to her incall, and discover she's definitely in her 50's! LOL. I stayed and we both had a good time, but this gal must have cut her age in half, from 52 to 26. I'm sure you guys have your own funny stories...
[QUOTE=Old School 62]I really want to apologize for being vague per "This is BS". I meant it as an overall commentary per the actions of the cops, etc.
My address was soley that Looking #1. I am entirely at fault and again, should of been more clear per my rant.
You are absolutely correct. In your position, with an "exclusion order" having been wriiten, It is prudent to stay away.
Your friend gave you sound legal direction. Going to court would be costly and would not accomplish jack shit. As well, my crude communication would lead anyone to assume I was making a personal affront per your friend.
I will be more considerate when composing a contribution to the board.
Sorry Looking #1...
Old School 62[/QUOTE]
I did not take your prior post has an attack on me but the whole thing about LE walking a very fine line on personal right's. I just wanted to clearify the laywer was me friend and I trust his advise. So there is no reason to apologize.
[QUOTE=Rosco2]Well, I dunno. But I tend to think lots of ladies pad their ages by 5 years when they're in their twenties, and pad by 10 years when they're in their 30's and 40's.
It surprised me when I learned that even some 20-something's were padding their ages. A few months ago, there was this lady who advertised in St. Louis on Craig's List and Backpage, saying she was [color=brown][b][u]23[/u][/b][/color]. She went by the name of Angel, and was 4'11" in height. Well, Angel got in trouble with police when she would walk into outcalls at clients' homes, then quickly walk out while letting in 2 of her male thug friends who would rob the clients inside their own homes. Thankfully, she got caught, and police reported her age to the newspapers as [color=brown][b][u]27[/u][/b][/color], not 23. So even a sexy 27 year-old was shaving 4 years from her age, in her ads.
That's nothing, though. About a year ago, I called a lady advertising in my local newspaper. She said she was 26 over the phone. I go to her incall, and discover she's definitely in her 50's! LOL. I stayed and we both had a good time, but this gal must have cut her age in half, from 52 to 26. I'm sure you guys have your own funny stories...[/QUOTE]
Much of what you say is probably true in general, but the Ave has some different dynamics. You are probably better off checking IDs for other reasons.
[QUOTE=Looking #1]Yes for any reason I will be arrested on a treaspassing charge.
I have a very noticable car, One day last year the had an ULE sitting in the park near Tigoa looking for vehicles driving around. Well I drove by one to many times and got pulled over (No Girl in car). After checking for wants and warrants they came back to the vehicle had me get out for a photo and was issued an exclustion order. Since I live about 25 miles away the is no legit reason for begin on the Ave and they know I was there for a girl or drugs (LE words not mine). After checking with a laywer, He stated the only way I can get it lifted it to go before a Judge and explain why I was there (Not worth the hassle). The order will expire in two years on it's own. These orders have been used in other state's mostly on known girl's to get them off the street without actually witnessing any thing.
And with Nutter and the new Chief in charge now I bet there will be more issued by LE. I just don't want to get arrested on a treaspassing charge and have to go thru the hassle of going to court or explain it at work if they find out.
I need to get a cheaper mongering car that will blend's in once it expire's.
I hoped this explained it.[/QUOTE]
Thanks for sharing your story. Gas is too expensive these days anyway. Hopefully, in two years we'll see prices under $2.