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Thanks Scuuze! Seems your very respected here!! I'll take your tips and work them. I'll post any success stories!
Nukmed
[QUOTE=Nukmed]Thanks Scuuze! Seems your very respected here!! I'll take your tips and work them. I'll post any success stories!
Nukmed[/QUOTE]Yep thanks Scuuze. If it wasn't for you helping some of us out (like me), I'd be missing out on a lot of fun. Thanks for sharing your knowledge.
If a new bill passes in St. Louis, it may become a whole lot easier for police to arrest mongers looking for street walkers.
From STLtoday.com :
[u]Bill attacks loitering in high crime areas[/u]
Measure meets constitutional muster, sponsor says
By Jim Merkel, Tuesday, May 6, 2008
Rita Ford only lives about two blocks south of Cherokee Street. But she won’t walk to Cherokee because she’s too afraid of loitering gangs.
"We’re like prisoners here in our own country," said Ford, the president of the Gravois Park Neighborhood Association, who lives in the 3500 block of Nebraska Avenue. "I wouldn’t take a chance and walk to Cherokee."
Now an alderman who represents much of the Gravois Park neighborhood has introduced a bill in the Board of Aldermen [color=brown]allowing the police chief to designate certain areas known for gang activity, drugs and prostitution as off limits to loitering.[/color]
The police know the drug dealers, gang members and prostitutes who hang around these areas, said Alderman Craig Schmid, D-20th Ward, who introduced the bill recently at the start of the 2008-2009 session of the Board of Aldermen. [color=brown]"There’s [currently] no mechanism to try to disperse it before it happens."[/color]
One of the ways that gangs take over an area is by loitering and intimidating law-abiding people, Schmid said.
The bill balances concerns about breaking up loitering related to criminal street gangs, prostitution and illegal drug sales with the rights of assembly and free speech, Schmid said.
Around the country, there have been problems with such laws, said David Curry, professor of criminology and criminal justice at the University of Missouri-St. Louis.
"It’s usually resulted in crime moving elsewhere," Curry said.
Some of the laws have been struck down, Curry said.
It’s a question of who’s loitering for illegal purposes and who is simply standing on a sidewalk and enjoying being outside, he said.
In Schmid’s bill, a "no loitering" area could be designated anywhere there have been more than 20 police calls and six arrests in any six-month period in the last 20 months. It also could be declared in any "Weed and Seed" area established by the U.S. Department of Justice to "weed out" crime.
Under the ordinance, signs could be posted in a designated no loitering area or property owners would receive mailed notices.
[color=brown]
After that, police could arrest people making signals to sell drugs or solicit prostitution.[/color] They also could arrest anyone using gang signs or wearing gang colors while with a known gang leader.
[color=brown]Police also could order people to leave the area and threaten to arrest them if they return within three hours.[/color]
Violators could be fined $100 to $500 and receive up to 90 days in jail.
Schmid’s bill takes a lesson from a similar Chicago bill on loitering that was approved in 1992.
The Supreme Court voted 6-3 to strike down the law, which made little difference between law-abiding citizens and gang members.
But the Court suggested an ordinance might be Constitutional if the language made it clear the law was targeted at loiterers who appeared to be trying to seek criminal control over an area.
A new law was passed in Chicago making those distinctions and remains in effect.
In Schmid’s bill, to protect civil liberties, the police chief would suspend enforcement of the law for people involved in advocacy activities, like giving out leaflets.
People also could obtain a permit from the city to engage in lawful loitering in a "no loitering" zone.
As far as Ford goes, she believes such a law might improve things for her neighborhood. But she said the Board of Aldermen pass too many bills that are passed and police do nothing about them.
"The key word is enforcement," Ford said. --- Rosco
Last time I was in town about 6 weeks ago, I saw a late-model, black, Monte Carlo police car with the words "Division of Traffic Safety" on the door. It sported one of the new-fangled low-profile bubble-gum machines on the roof, and was driving on S. Grand Blvd.
Another time I was in town, I saw another "Division of Traffic Safety" vehicle. It was a white Cherokee-type of SUV. It also was driving on South Grand.
Anybody know anything about the "Divisioin of Traffic Safety?" I'm guessing it's part of the police department. Are these guys even more hard-nosed about catching mongers and SWs than the regular police? What do they do mostly?
[QUOTE=Rosco2]If a new bill passes in St. Louis, it may become a whole lot easier for police to arrest mongers looking for street walkers.
From STLtoday.com :
[u]Bill attacks loitering in high crime areas[/u]
Measure meets constitutional muster, sponsor says
By Jim Merkel, Tuesday, May 6, 2008
Rita Ford only lives about two blocks south of Cherokee Street. But she won’t walk to Cherokee because she’s too afraid of loitering gangs.
"We’re like prisoners here in our own country," said Ford, the president of the Gravois Park Neighborhood Association, who lives in the 3500 block of Nebraska Avenue. "I wouldn’t take a chance and walk to Cherokee."
Now an alderman who represents much of the Gravois Park neighborhood has introduced a bill in the Board of Aldermen [color=brown]allowing the police chief to designate certain areas known for gang activity, drugs and prostitution as off limits to loitering.[/color]
The police know the drug dealers, gang members and prostitutes who hang around these areas, said Alderman Craig Schmid, D-20th Ward, who introduced the bill recently at the start of the 2008-2009 session of the Board of Aldermen. [color=brown]"There’s [currently] no mechanism to try to disperse it before it happens."[/color]
One of the ways that gangs take over an area is by loitering and intimidating law-abiding people, Schmid said.
The bill balances concerns about breaking up loitering related to criminal street gangs, prostitution and illegal drug sales with the rights of assembly and free speech, Schmid said.
Around the country, there have been problems with such laws, said David Curry, professor of criminology and criminal justice at the University of Missouri-St. Louis.
"It’s usually resulted in crime moving elsewhere," Curry said.
Some of the laws have been struck down, Curry said.
It’s a question of who’s loitering for illegal purposes and who is simply standing on a sidewalk and enjoying being outside, he said.
In Schmid’s bill, a "no loitering" area could be designated anywhere there have been more than 20 police calls and six arrests in any six-month period in the last 20 months. It also could be declared in any "Weed and Seed" area established by the U.S. Department of Justice to "weed out" crime.
Under the ordinance, signs could be posted in a designated no loitering area or property owners would receive mailed notices.
[color=brown]
After that, police could arrest people making signals to sell drugs or solicit prostitution.[/color] They also could arrest anyone using gang signs or wearing gang colors while with a known gang leader.
[color=brown]Police also could order people to leave the area and threaten to arrest them if they return within three hours.[/color]
Violators could be fined $100 to $500 and receive up to 90 days in jail.
Schmid’s bill takes a lesson from a similar Chicago bill on loitering that was approved in 1992.
The Supreme Court voted 6-3 to strike down the law, which made little difference between law-abiding citizens and gang members.
But the Court suggested an ordinance might be Constitutional if the language made it clear the law was targeted at loiterers who appeared to be trying to seek criminal control over an area.
A new law was passed in Chicago making those distinctions and remains in effect.
In Schmid’s bill, to protect civil liberties, the police chief would suspend enforcement of the law for people involved in advocacy activities, like giving out leaflets.
People also could obtain a permit from the city to engage in lawful loitering in a "no loitering" zone.
As far as Ford goes, she believes such a law might improve things for her neighborhood. But she said the Board of Aldermen pass too many bills that are passed and police do nothing about them.
"The key word is enforcement," Ford said. --- Rosco[/QUOTE]
Well here is hoping that the action moves to another area. I for one would not want to get ticketed/jailed for just driving through the area and not have a good enough excuse for being there.
These Three people were questioned and released for the murder of Nina Polk.
We all know these three committed the crime with a crow bar.
Stay the hell away from these people. They are bad. Very bad.
Let Karma finish what they started.
Terryon Triplett
Sanloln Russell
Kendra Meridity
[QUOTE=Rosco2]Last time I was in town about 6 weeks ago, I saw a late-model, black, Monte Carlo police car with the words "Division of Traffic Safety" on the door. It sported one of the new-fangled low-profile bubble-gum machines on the roof, and was driving on S. Grand Blvd.
Another time I was in town, I saw another "Division of Traffic Safety" vehicle. It was a white Cherokee-type of SUV. It also was driving on South Grand.
Anybody know anything about the "Divisioin of Traffic Safety?" I'm guessing it's part of the police department. Are these guys even more hard-nosed about catching mongers and SWs than the regular police? What do they do mostly?[/QUOTE]
The SUV would be a Tahoe, all SLPD vehicles are GMs. Traffic Safety is independent of the divisions and is used for special enforcement areas as well as traffic duties.
[QUOTE=Rosco2]Last time I was in town about 6 weeks ago, I saw a late-model, black, Monte Carlo police car with the words "Division of Traffic Safety" on the door. It sported one of the new-fangled low-profile bubble-gum machines on the roof, and was driving on S. Grand Blvd.
Another time I was in town, I saw another "Division of Traffic Safety" vehicle. It was a white Cherokee-type of SUV. It also was driving on South Grand.
Anybody know anything about the "Divisioin of Traffic Safety?" I'm guessing it's part of the police department. Are these guys even more hard-nosed about catching mongers and SWs than the regular police? What do they do mostly?[/QUOTE]
The other night, I saw signs at both Meramec & Grand and further down at Chippewa & Grand that said "This area under surveillance by mobile cameras" or some such BS
[QUOTE=Knucklebuck]"This area under surveillance by mobile cameras" ====[/QUOTE]
That's good to hear. The more cameras, the better, I think. You probably heard that, on Thursday, some guy got shot in the stomach when a beauty supply store on South Grand was robbed at 4 PM in the afternoon.
I wonder if the cameras are run by the city or by private businesses. Here in Columbia, MO, on Garth Avenue (the main Street Walker strip), there's a business called "DW Home and Auto Mobility" that recently installed 24-hour outdoor cameras. There's a lot of crime in that area. Street walkers are the least problem police need to worry about.
The parking lot area next to the strip club called Club Vogue also has a sign saying video surveillance.
[QUOTE=Loved Nina]These Three people were questioned and released for the murder of Nina Polk.
We all know these three committed the crime with a crow bar.
Stay the hell away from these people. They are bad. Very bad.
Let Karma finish what they started.
Terryon Triplett
Sanloln Russell
Kendra Meridity[/QUOTE]
Loved_nina, God bless you, and I hope the prosecutor charges someone soon.
Working in town and decided to take a stroll. It was sunny when I left but by the time I hit the stroll it was pouring, 8:30pm. Saw one WSW around the fire station near the CFM on S Broadway. After circling around the block she approached the car, she didn't do it for me. 30's blonde, she was alll wet so I passed. So I cruised over to Woodson and when I got there it was a river. The water was 6 inches deep in places. Needless to say no one was out. So I tried the area over near the Congressional Inn. Saw a possibility go into a room. She kept looking out the window, I flashed my lights at her but she didn't give me a sign. By this time it stopped raining so I decided to head back down to S Broadway. I saw a cute young BSW near the 7-11. I circled back and picked her up. I usally shy away from BSW's but this girl was young and fresh. Her name was Jasmine and she was definitly nice and we settled on. 5 for 1/2 and 1/2.
I rate her an 8 on looks 8 on technique and 8 on over all performance. She definitly wanted me to take her number so I did.
On my way back to my hotel on the East side I decided to cruise the Brooklyn stroll. As I was driving by the wash rack I got behind an 18 wheeler. As I made the the right turn I guess I rolled through the stop sign and local LEO didn't take to kindly to it. He stopped in the middle of the road facing me and motioned for me to stop. He pulled up along side of me and informed me of my failure to stop and asked me where I was going. I told him I was sorry for failing to stop and was headed for the high way. He asked for my licsence and told me "to be careful. There are several big trucks out here and lots of crack ******" I just laughed and he gave me my liscence back. He never got out of the car, never ran my plates or nothing. I took that as a good omen and headed back to the hotel.
[QUOTE=Rosco2]That's good to hear. The more cameras, the better, I think. You probably heard that, a few days ago, some guy got shot in the stomach when a beauty supply store on South Grand was robbed.
I wonder if the cameras are run by the city or by private businesses. Here in Columbia, MO, on Garth Avenue (the main Street Walker street), there's a business called "DW Home and Auto Mobility" that recently installed 24-hour outdoor cameras. There's a lot of crime in that area. Street walkers are the least problem police need to worry about.
The parking lot area next to the strip club called Club Vogue also has outdoor cameras.[/QUOTE]
I miss Columbia. I miss cruising down Garth. I miss hitting Vogue and Stephanie's. No extras offered at either. I miss them just the same.
Man...it would be cool if there was an up to the minute alerting system for SW locations.
I could be cruising down Broadway and get a text message "Ho's at Penn & Elwood" or "Cops hot on Bates & Va"
Could probably do this on Twitter?
[QUOTE=Knucklebuck]Man...it would be cool if there was an up to the minute alerting system for SW locations.
I could be cruising down Broadway and get a text message "Ho's at Penn & Elwood" or "Cops hot on Bates & Va"
Could probably do this on Twitter?[/QUOTE]
I agree....what an idea! I cruised through the South today on Penn and saw noone at all. Not even the LEO. Where-o-where are the girls!
Nukmed
[QUOTE=Knucklebuck]Could probably do this on Twitter?[/QUOTE]We could name this new service Twatter.