BBQ and fight thread

[QUOTE=LotharioCancer;2722410]Kain I couldn't agree with you more. Unfortunately the hobby and drugs seem intertwined. I lost a dear friend (provider) exactly a year ago Taylor Lacie aka Tay aka BabyTay due to an OD. And she didn't even seem like a heavy user. It was pills I think.

About the only thing I can think to do is chide them not to get into drugs or try to get off. A good many of these ladies do use something or other and it is dangerous. To them and to us. I guess the solution is not to support the hobby at all. But there going to get it from somewhere / someone. I guess all we can do is try to be kind to them while we have them. LC.[/QUOTE]I lost one that I thought a lot of to an OD back in June 2014. I knew she had the habit for a long time then she suddenly left the hobby. She returned a few months later and I got a text saying she was coming back so I literally dropped everything so I could go see her. I was her first, she looked like a new penny when I first saw her. I was speechless as to how pretty she looked. I had a hr session with her and it was great. We talked for 3 hrs afterwards. Looking back I think she didn't want to be left alone. Four days later she OD'ed and died so yes I say be kind to them too and if you know of one that's trying to quit such as I do now we should be supportive of that effort as well.

[QUOTE=LotharioCancer;2722410]Kain I couldn't agree with you more. Unfortunately the hobby and drugs seem intertwined. I lost a dear friend (provider) exactly a year ago Taylor Lacie aka Tay aka BabyTay due to an OD. And she didn't even seem like a heavy user. It was pills I think.

About the only thing I can think to do is chide them not to get into drugs or try to get off. A good many of these ladies do use something or other and it is dangerous. To them and to us. I guess the solution is not to support the hobby at all. But there going to get it from somewhere / someone. I guess all we can do is try to be kind to them while we have them. LC.[/QUOTE]I'm not going to enable the girls to buy more hard core drugs. Personal satisfaction will not help these ladies. But yeah there will be others to supply them the money or personal sexual favors to supply their habits. It just will not be from me. To each their own I always say. Have fun, play safe. Subject matter over.

[QUOTE=MojoGuy;2723974]I lost one that I thought a lot of to an OD back in June 2014. I knew she had the habit for a long time then she suddenly left the hobby. She returned a few months later and I got a text saying she was coming back so I literally dropped everything so I could go see her. I was her first, she looked like a new penny when I first saw her. I was speechless as to how pretty she looked. I had a hr session with her and it was great. We talked for 3 hrs afterwards. Looking back I think she didn't want to be left alone. Four days later she OD'ed and died so yes I say be kind to them too and if you know of one that's trying to quit such as I do now we should be supportive of that effort as well.[/QUOTE]I just want to add a big AMEN to what MojoGuy says. It is tough to quit and any support that you can give will be helpful.

[QUOTE=OneSwiss;2724003]I just want to add a big AMEN to what MojoGuy says. It is tough to quit and any support that you can give will be helpful.[/QUOTE]The 12 steps. One needs structure and support. If they try to stop on their own. It will only be for a short while. What is short -1 day perhaps maybe as long as 3 to 6 months.

Heroin. Is just about impossible. I cannot thing of the drug they give you to stop herion use, but that is just one trade for another. But one can usually function in society using that.

Just my 2 cents. But it is an educated point of view.

[QUOTE=Penrose;2724013]The 12 steps. One needs structure and support. If they try to stop on their own. It will only be for a short while. What is short -1 day perhaps maybe as long as 3 to 6 months.

Heroin. Is just about impossible. I cannot thing of the drug they give you to stop herion use, but that is just one trade for another. But one can usually function in society using that.

Just my 2 cents. But it is an educated point of view.[/QUOTE]With H it's usually methadone.

[QUOTE=KaintuckMan;2723980]I'm not going to enable the girls to buy more hard core drugs. Personal satisfaction will not help these ladies. But yeah there will be others to supply them the money or personal sexual favors to supply their habits. It just will not be from me. To each their own I always say. Have fun, play safe. Subject matter over.[/QUOTE]I understand what your saying and I 100% agree with the theory of it but I've found it's best to assume that all escorts are users. I'm not saying they all are users but the odds of them being so is a heckofa lot better then staying vertical after playing Russian roulette with five rounds in the cylinder of a six shooter.

[QUOTE=MojoGuy;2724110]I understand what your saying and I 100% agree with the theory of it but I've found it's best to assume that all escorts are users. I'm not saying they all are users but the odds of them being so is a heckofa lot better then staying vertical after playing Russian roulette with five rounds in the cylinder of a six shooter.[/QUOTE]My experience as well Mojo, they all tell you they are clean but I have never had one I have seen more than once that did not fess up in the end they are using.

Suboxone, that's another of their favorites.

Mojo is right, that's why most are in the game to support their addictions, some are trying to put food on the table the best way they know how and there is that rare one that just loves to fuck, and what better way to do what you love and get paid for it.

H..... is a horrible thing , its everywhere ....not just in the hobby , this whole world is changing so much!
BG.

[QUOTE=MojoGuy;2724036]With H it's usually methadone.[/QUOTE]

I saw this girl back in November. She was super cute, 21 years old and started to get some positive reviews in the Lex forum. So I scheduled with her. I was sorely disappointed. She was covered in needle marks. Her pulse was racing, her skin was flush warm and she fell asleep during the session. I knew of course why as it was obvious she was a junky. She was so fucked up, and not just intoxicated, but sickly. I powered through the session. Honestly it wasn't the first time I've encountered a junky. Just not this bad. So after I FB'd her number and realized I knew some people in common. Including a member of her family. And I remembered hearing stories about her but didn't realize it was the same girl. So I struck up a conversation with the person I know and brought up the subject of this girl. I learned that she has been spiraling out of control. Uses H and Crack. It was "suspected" she is a prostitute. And they are worried to the point that she won't make it out of this. She had been recently admitted to the hospital for a blood borne infection related to dirty needle use and could have died. And she checked herself out of the hospital early to get her fix. That's about when I saw her. So sick she couldn't even walk upright. Said she was injured. This really shook me. And up in Indy I recently walked out of a session because she had track marks. Even though she seemed completely sober. And if what you guys say about almost all of them using, then perhaps my conscience will not let me continue in the hobby. I'm having real guilt about giving my friend's family member money for drugs. I would be horrified if they found out I did. It's definitely making me question this now.

This was posted by Freckle Freak, Its great!

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Posts: 881.

Attitudes and Brotherhood.

Both IG and Jjbee62 have touched on another area of the hobby that will create a divide among hobbyist on here to agree / disagree. I will touch on two points. Provider and Hobbyist attitudes and brotherhood.

ATTITUDE.

It has already been said that a good provider with a good attitude has no trouble securing business and picking clients. Some on here think anything from a streetwalker to a $1000 hr provider is a "W-hore". I hate that word because society, mainly men, use it in a derogatory way to define a woman who enjoys sex. Damn we should be so lucky that we find a woman who likes it as much as we do. If this label is used on women sex workers, then in my opinion, the men who solicit them are also "W-hores". The difference between a good provider and street walkers and most BP escorts is attitude. If you treat a provider like a "W-hore" then you will get a Whoreable experience. These women have lives, feelings, complications, finances and they deserve respect from hobbyist because we should be gentlemen. Providers are in this biz mainly for three reasons. 1. To feed their or their SO's drug habit. 2. To earn a living because for whatever reason they or their SO can't or won't get a real job. 3. They do it part time, real job comes first, because they enjoy the sex and the company. I am talking about anything from a BP escort to a high end provider. I have become friends with many providers and enemies with some. The difference between the two was always attitude. The woman that felt they could treat me with disrespect, steal, lie and trick me, caused me to lose respect for them, thus the enemies. I have had disagreements with many providers and still remained friends mainly because of the attitude on both sides of the fence. So a provider with a good attitude deserves respect and you will have a much more enjoyable experience if you treat them like ladies. A hobbyist with a good attitude will earn the respect of the provider and she will provide a much more enjoyable experience. Mutual respect results in a better menu and a more intimate encounter, if that's what you are looking for. Those of you that just want to blow and go, that's great also. Do it but with some respect because "It's the right thing to do" as a gentleman.

BROTHERHOOD.

Now once a provider disrespects a client, for some of the reasons I indicated above, I think brotherhood should enter into the scenario. We all want to be warned about scammers and thieves. These are the easy ones. What about the ones that show extreme disrespect for a hobbyist. Many times the lines of disrespect are unclear, in many cases they should be, because most on this board are unknown to each other. But once a hobbyist has an issue and other hobbyist's can verify it's true then why not exercise brotherhood and use our power to "Cut Off" the poor attitude of the provider / escort / stripper? I know the answer will be "Why should I care about what happens to you"? Because we are in it together even though many of us are private and need extreme anonymity. If we weren't in it together we wouldn't be on this board sharing info and helping each other find pussy. Why continue to help a lady (used loosely) who has taken advantage of a hobbyist? We shouldn't continue to help because once again "It's the right thing to do". Many on this board follow the brotherhood and have helped others in bad situations. I have tried to stand by a wronged hobbyist and other hobbyist's have stood by me when I was wronged. I believe it's because everyone felt it was the right thing to do. Now a hobbyist that is out of control needs to also be dealt with. Yes there are some real A-Holes out there. If a hobbyist harms a provider or another hobbyist then they should be dealt with because once again it's the right thing to do.

There will be some who will disagree with my above two philosophies and that's ok. We all have our opinions and we can agree to disagree. My opinion is a simple one. Be a gentleman and treat others with respect because it's the right thing to do. But once disrespect is paramount then lets stick together and deal with it together.

FF.

P.S. Damn, I love a freckled provider with a great attitude!

Kinda what I've been saying all along. Thanks for posting this. LC.

[QUOTE=BigGuyUAteMe;2725129]This was posted by Freckle Freak, Its great!

Senior Member.

Posts: 881.

Attitudes and Brotherhood.

Both IG and Jjbee62 have touched on another area of the hobby that will create a divide among hobbyist on here to agree / disagree. I will touch on two points. Provider and Hobbyist attitudes and brotherhood.

ATTITUDE.

It has already been said that a good provider with a good attitude has no trouble securing business and picking clients. Some on here think anything from a streetwalker to a $1000 hr provider is a "W-hore". I hate that word because society, mainly men, use it in a derogatory way to define a woman who enjoys sex. Damn we should be so lucky that we find a woman who likes it as much as we do. If this label is used on women sex workers, then in my opinion, the men who solicit them are also "W-hores". The difference between a good provider and street walkers and most BP escorts is attitude. If you treat a provider like a "W-hore" then you will get a Whoreable experience. These women have lives, feelings, complications, finances and they deserve respect from hobbyist because we should be gentlemen. Providers are in this biz mainly for three reasons. 1. To feed their or their SO's drug habit. 2. To earn a living because for whatever reason they or their SO can't or won't get a real job. 3. They do it part time, real job comes first, because they enjoy the sex and the company. I am talking about anything from a BP escort to a high end provider. I have become friends with many providers and enemies with some. The difference between the two was always attitude. The woman that felt they could treat me with disrespect, steal, lie and trick me, caused me to lose respect for them, thus the enemies. I have had disagreements with many providers and still remained friends mainly because of the attitude on both sides of the fence. So a provider with a good attitude deserves respect and you will have a much more enjoyable experience if you treat them like ladies. A hobbyist with a good attitude will earn the respect of the provider and she will provide a much more enjoyable experience. Mutual respect results in a better menu and a more intimate encounter, if that's what you are looking for. Those of you that just want to blow and go, that's great also. Do it but with some respect because "It's the right thing to do" as a gentleman.

BROTHERHOOD.

Now once a provider disrespects a client, for some of the reasons I indicated above, I think brotherhood should enter into the scenario. We all want to be warned about scammers and thieves. These are the easy ones. What about the ones that show extreme disrespect for a hobbyist. Many times the lines of disrespect are unclear, in many cases they should be, because most on this board are unknown to each other. But once a hobbyist has an issue and other hobbyist's can verify it's true then why not exercise brotherhood and use our power to "Cut Off" the poor attitude of the provider / escort / stripper? I know the answer will be "Why should I care about what happens to you"? Because we are in it together even though many of us are private and need extreme anonymity. If we weren't in it together we wouldn't be on this board sharing info and helping each other find pussy. Why continue to help a lady (used loosely) who has taken advantage of a hobbyist? We shouldn't continue to help because once again "It's the right thing to do". Many on this board follow the brotherhood and have helped others in bad situations. I have tried to stand by a wronged hobbyist and other hobbyist's have stood by me when I was wronged. I believe it's because everyone felt it was the right thing to do. Now a hobbyist that is out of control needs to also be dealt with. Yes there are some real A-Holes out there. If a hobbyist harms a provider or another hobbyist then they should be dealt with because once again it's the right thing to do.

There will be some who will disagree with my above two philosophies and that's ok. We all have our opinions and we can agree to disagree. My opinion is a simple one. Be a gentleman and treat others with respect because it's the right thing to do. But once disrespect is paramount then lets stick together and deal with it together.

FF.

P.S. Damn, I love a freckled provider with a great attitude![/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Crashdog;2726793]She are'd my the 2.[/QUOTE]Seriously? A post about taking the same escort to the movies. You need help.

Adult Services: Whether using a phone book or website, it' a dead end to look for any other term. Some phone books have removed the section altogether, preferring 'Adult Entertainment' to legally cover stripping, basement / garage modeling, jumping out of cakes, and the like. 'services' on the other hand, ensures the exchange of sex for money, though it's never wise to ask the friendly voice on the other end for specifics. Trust me. That's between you and the lady who will meet every awkward inquiry.

Bargain and the haggle: Do not, under any circumstances, try to negotiate a fee upon arrival. It's even worse to do so after you've taken off your clothes. If the cost is $200, the best ladies are all-inclusive, but there are still rackets about that require additional tips. Yes, you may have to learn the hard way. If you hand over your money and she isn't naked herself within 30 seconds, I hope you brought additional cash.

Comfortable: As in, 'Maybe you should get comfortable. ' If you hear these words upon arrival, get naked. Yes, completely naked. Leaving your socks on will only cause the lady to repeat this phrase or, in extreme cases, call her dispatcher. If you're in the buff, it's unlikely you're a cop, or at least that's the assumption.

Dental Dam: If you're the crazy sort who needs to eat a much-abused pussy, failing to use a dental dam will likely send you to the hospital. Service provider pussy is for tapping, not immersing the same tongue that expects to savor a Big Mac afterwards.

Erection: If you have a raging one on the drive over, you will not exceed three minutes in the sack. If you still don't have one after she's tickling your balls, I suggest the other persuasion.

Fellatio: Any respectable prostitute will perform oral sex at the opening bell (pity if you get one of those 'massage first' chicks) , but decline immediately if she pulls out a condom. Yeah, it's safer, but you might as well be wearing a wool sock. Sure, I've gotten off to the mere sight of a chick in the nether regions, but to this date, I've never actually enjoyed a condom-oriented blow job. If she rolls it on before you can protest, move directly to sex.

Gonorrhea: You're more likely to get it from your girlfriend than a prostitute, so dive in with confidence.

Humiliation: Usually very costly and reserved for specialists, you can often convince your regular to smack you around a bit if you overpay for the half-hour session. Don't ask if it's your first time, but once you're comfortable and familiar, a sawbuck or two will likely earn a disparaging comment or perhaps an open-hand slap. Full beatings usually require a doubling of the overall price.


In-Call: Jump in the car, baby, because you're going to her place. Or his, if that's your cup of tea. Curiously, this is the preferred method of meeting an adult sex worker, as you can remain relatively anonymous and avoid blackmail schemes such as those featured in Punch Drunk Love. Sure, there's a chance some dude is hiding in the basement, waiting for you to be naked, vulnerable, and amenable to handing over your wallet, but that's not likely to happen in your more upscale, markets or areas.

Jerking Off: Sure, she's a pro, but do not ask for a handjob from a prostitute. She's not only beneath such rote behavior, she'll likely do it half-assed just to piss you off. Still, that's not as bad as paying $200 and only being allowed to jerk yourself off. * wouldn't even remove her top! Not like I'm in the know or anything.

Kissing: It's pretty much conventional wisdom that prostitutes don't like to kiss because it's 'too personal, ' but that's one of the oldest myths running. They don't want to kiss because it's likely your breath approximates her pussy after an atypically busy afternoon. I slobbered all over a working girl once just to say I did, but dragon breath was the last thing my tentative erection needed for the good fight. A peck goodbye is the preferred method. Making out is for teenagers and drunks.

Love: If it existed, you wouldn't be here.

Music: I can't remember ever visiting a prostitute who didn't have music playing, though on one occasion, I fucked in a motel room while the television was on. Maury, if I'm not mistaken. Acceptable tunes include Enya, Seal, Marvin Gaye, and light jazz, though are&be will work in a pinch. Avoid heavy metal and country at all costs. AC / DC is for strip clubs.

Nasty Talk: You always think you're going to use such language (hey, she's a pro, not my girlfriend) , but it never happens. The minute you start saying, 'you want my cock, don't you * ' you feel completely stupid for assuming you could be manly. You fear women, that's why you can't find any outside the parameters of a transaction, remember? Meek and mild is best, just in case you want to see the little lady again. You are allowed to scream like a banshee during your orgasm, but leave the trash talk at home.

One-and-Done: Few things are as depressing as finding that hot little number who makes you shoot your wad inside of a minute, only to find out that 'per hour' is arguably the most misleading term on earth. Most gals are 'per load' types, which is their right, but if you manage to find a lady who lets you go as many times as you wish without additional currency, never let her go. I mean, follow her from coast to coast, if necessary. I would suggest jerking off right before seeing a prostitute to ensure a longer experience, but every time I think I can do this, I realize, post-orgasm, that I just saved a bunch of money and am too tired to go anywhere.

Prostitute: An acceptable term in some quarters, but 'escort' is pretty much the standard these days. Never, ever use 'working girl' or 'tramp' when discussing business, and if you're a real gentleman, you'll resort to 'ma'am' as needed.

Quickie: If you're going to be the sort who can't fill the allotted hour (or half-hour) , make sure you're dropping no more than $50. My personal record is $200 for five total minutes, but that's a mistake no man will make twice. Fine, three times. Find a prostitute who allows 'multiple pops' during the session, and you'll never fear the call of pre-maturity again.

Red Carpet Inn: The worst fucking place to ever meet a prostitute. Yeah, they often have the outside entrances you crave, but they never seem to cool down those rooms in the summer. As strange as it sounds, I've had the greatest times at Motel 6, perhaps because I don't feel so guilty about dripping my juice on the comforter. It seems almost obligatory.

Sexy attire: I never did like it when girls would answer the door wearing a teddy or some allegedly 'sexy' item. Such things made me more self-conscious and mindful of the business side of the situation. No, it's best when they come to the door in every day clothing, like a sweater, blue jeans, or tight-ass shorts that reverberate camel toe. And if they look like they're just gotten home from a big meeting, complete with librarian-style hair bun? I'm hard before I hit the foyer.

Talking: Very, very important to exchange words with a prostitute after sex, though no more than 3-4 minutes. Believe me, she wants you the fuck out of there. Still, I learned many things over the years, including the fact that a provider that I love see on here number one client is a married cop. My sweet, sweet little ATF in Louisville puffed up like a peacock whenever she told me about fucking a high-ranking officer in Jefferson County, or some suit from the mayor's office.

You-turn: Once you call to arrange an appointment, don't be a dick and not show up. If you have regrets, call her and cancel. She has better things to do than shower for no reason. Though you may not.

Voluptuous: They'll tell you over the phone if they're in possession of a healthy rack, and it's best to insist on it. Sure, it's wise to withhold funds from anyone that sends BS pics but if the only way you're going to get a mouthful of funbag is to climb Mt. Fuji, so be it. Few things are as depressing as driving across town to find an emaciated chick who looks like that neighbor boy who never eats.

Washcloth: The classier dames will always offer to wipe down your penis after sex, which is more than my damn ex-wife has ever done. Then again, she had to mount me for free.

Xavier: Just isn't a believable pseudonym. I tried Enrique once, but giggled my way to a hang up. You're not faxing her a copy of your Social Security card and routing information, for crying out loud; just give her your usa name.

Youth: Yeah, I've had the ladies fresh from college, or its working girl equivalent, waitressing, but your dollars are better spent with the 30-40 crowd. Not only does an older woman have the chops, she's more likely to convince you that she actually wants to be there, rather than simply being too lazy to punch a time clock. A hot 20-year-old, while good for the loins, will never pull off the head-back moan. But a MILF? I'm buying it, baby.

Zero: When you're earning $7. 25 an hour and still living at home, your bank account will never rise above this point if you insist on more than one girl per month. It's why the good Lord made credit cards.

[QUOTE=MillitaryMan69;2727068]Seriously? A post about taking the same escort to the movies. You need help.[/QUOTE]Did you put Phoenix and Vanessa on your super secret list? You should.

[QUOTE=Crashdog;2728284]Did you put Phoenix and Vanessa on your super secret list? You should.[/QUOTE]And you don't know. You would have to take your head out of Kelli's ass first. What's the next photo Crash? We got a movie photo, a dinner photo. How about the beach.

LOL at you!