I'm meeting two POT tomorrow for coffee. I have much better game plan after reading the thread. Thanks for sharing all of this wonderful information.
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I'm meeting two POT tomorrow for coffee. I have much better game plan after reading the thread. Thanks for sharing all of this wonderful information.
I had a very solid run this summer and I'm by no means a player. Reasonably attractive and put together, sure, but not winning any fitness awards. What worked for me was honesty, directness, but also (gasp) actually getting to know and show interest in the women. You learn pretty quickly how to weed out the ones that will waste your time. Agree with everyone else that asking about amount early is usually a sign of trouble. A reasonable amount of chat over the SA site or email, followed by a Coffee m&g was always the most successful for me. And in many cases I would go into it with no expectations and find myself pleased with the results. And if not, you just decide to roll with that too. I also had nothing to lose, so I found it easy to not be desperate or needy. That attitude goes a long, long way.
To be fair, I also choose my pitches, I don't swing at fastballs because I know I probably won't hit them. Far happier to wait for a nice curveball. And again, avoid the screwballs.
Finally. And I know this goes against the prevailing wisdom of some around here, but don't be cheap or come off as cheap. Be firm on your price, but also recognize that if you roll up in a luxury car and dress well, there's a reasonable expectation that you have the cash to share. I think the lower amounts really come into play with repeat visits and more established arrangements.
[QUOTE=IluvSmellyFish;2610102]Also, as an aside, I have to respectfully disagree with the approach you descibed. At least for me, the approach you descibed sounds a lot like my approach from middle school to junior year in college. All it ever got me was a one way ticket to the friendzone.
Based on my experience, if you use that approach, all it will net you is atractive company for a meal youll be paying for. If the girl is relatively smart she will search for what you bought online and realize you paid a third of what you told her you paid for it. If its junk, she will smile and then trash it when she gets home, and then call you again when she is hungry or bored. Then the money you spent on that gift will have gone to complete waste since it wont buy you any real goodwill from her.
I've found that telling pots what you're looking for up front during the m&g is best in terms of time and cash. Of course there is a fine line between coming off as direct and confident, versus coming off as a rude self centered pig. The former comes with lots of time talking to women and actually being confident in person while being nice. The latter comes off as being an uneducated, adolecent or childish.
If you don't have the time or energy to hit on ladies at the bar, take some public speaking classes. The skills required for both have significant overlap. The added bonus is that it gives you a valid excuse to be away from your SO while also being potentially good for you personally and professionally.
Just my two cents though. Take it for whatever its worth.[/QUOTE]I think you're right that honesty is the best policy. In both of my meetings, I panicked and gave the amount I normally paid for escorts. I need to stick to my guns.
[QUOTE=GuyInTheCorner;2610778]
Finally. And I know this goes against the prevailing wisdom of some around here, but don't be cheap or come off as cheap.
[/QUOTE]It might go against the wisdom of some you've read here, but it is a key concept to not only sugar babies but game in general, even in civy dating. When meeting women anywhere, giving the impression that you're a Walmart door greeter counting foodstamps and binding them to a set discount price is only going to lead to lousy, low rent pussy. They are the only ones desperate enough to accept that.
Coming off as cheap will never work to your advantage. Come off like you can afford the stars and the moon if she turns out to be worth that. Reserve the right to final judgement of value. Anything you agree to up front is going to set boundaries on what you receive. If the announcement of a particular amount has been made, she's already decided in her mind what she is willing to do for that.
Tap into her mind and her emotions and let her become genuinely attracted to you. She is attracted to the confidence you have in yourself -- if you don't have that, find it first, otherwise you're limited to escorts that tell you what you want to hear.
The more she is genuinely attracted to you, the more she will enjoy sex and not particularly care about what she's getting at the end of it as much as whether she will see you again.
[QUOTE=IluvSmellyFish;2610749]Ftp, check your email, not pm. Just sent a you a message.
Also there was a debate on this forum a while back about sharing info on babies. That debate also has good pros and cons about why we should and should not be sharing info.[/QUOTE]I'm in a local group started here -and after an initial flurry of "do you know - ? Nothing. So I'm not sure guys want to share so much. There is also the prevailing requirement to trade girls. For me, currently only seeing one SB and not shopping due to SO constraints, I can not contribute so much. I do agree that newbies who have not established bona fides should not have access to a shopping list compiled by hard working mongers. So -a good thought but not so effective it seems. Publicly discussing individuals is fraught with hazard since girls can stalk this site and glean insider info-so most of it should be off site.
I get email blasts from SDFM in which the age range that SBs desire are almost all under 40. SA doesn't list that. So what happens with us older than 40 guys, is that we get the slimmer pickins unless the SB can not find anybody under 40 who is interested in them. It's amazing that 50-60+ yr old guys can get as much pussy as we do. Money talks. The ones who list age requirement as 0 to 80 are usually the UTRs or escorts. "Normal " 20 yr old girls don't necessarily want to sleep and hang out with father or grand father figures.
[QUOTE=FredMoore;2611103]I get email blasts from SDFM in which the age range that SBs desire are almost all under 40. SA doesn't list that. So what happens with us older than 40 guys, is that we get the slimmer pickins unless the SB can not find anybody under 40 who is interested in them. It's amazing that 50-60+ yr old guys can get as much pussy as we do. Money talks. The ones who list age requirement as 0 to 80 are usually the UTRs or escorts. "Normal " 20 yr old girls don't necessarily want to sleep and hang out with father or grand father figures.[/QUOTE]I think you are right that most 20 year olds are not looking to sleep with guys over 40 but there is subset that doesn't seem to mind and seeks it. You are right though, my second SB I definitely think she was ultimately seeking a guy in his young 30's that was well off and hoping to get hitched. While I think she thought I was a nice guy and good looking enough, I never felt she had a whole lot of interest in me. But some others I have had, seem to really get off on turning the older guy on.
But this brings me to another topic. As my money starts to dwindle and I am less optimistic about getting much more (bonus this year looking lighter than I was hoping, LOL), I have trained my eye to FWBs. Now, maybe some think this is not the right forum to talk FWB, but really, my approach is basically the same. I lurk around on dating sites, CL and the like and pretty much approach young women much the same as I would SB, minus any money talk which I try to avoid up front with the SB anyway.
And I really haven't had any too much trouble chatting up women 18 to 29. I have met a 29 twice so far. Very attractive and good personality. Went and met a 23 year old today. Also talking to a girl who just turned 20 and was talking to an 18 year old but something didn't seem quite right so I went silent on her. But overall, this past year and a half, I have 6 FC visits with FWBs and I am confident now that I am focussed on it, there will be more. I view it as a way of sometimes justifying overspending on a SB, sort of balances out my costs. Overall, factoring in all the wasted money on subscriptions and girls that didn't pan out, I am avg about 150 a successful date, which is I think is really good. I have had I think 35 FC visits in about 18 months. And all but one was pretty damn good.
For those that are on the SA, I think you're in dreamland. 1. 6 - 2. 4 is more norm I think. They're not looking for a bunch of guys. They're looking for 1-2 guys (they'll ALL say 1).
[QUOTE=Inpddwt;2609387]She said she would get at least that amount per meeting. It wasn't even monthly. The MILF wasn't anything special to look and she looked like she was over 50 approaching 60 without her makeup. Maybe it was her way of telling me to fuck off. From what I have read so far, the number that I would like to approach per date is 100.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=FredMoore;2611103]I get email blasts from SDFM in which the age range that SBs desire are almost all under 40. SA doesn't list that. So what happens with us older than 40 guys, is that we get the slimmer pickins unless the SB can not find anybody under 40 who is interested in them. It's amazing that 50-60+ yr old guys can get as much pussy as we do. Money talks. The ones who list age requirement as 0 to 80 are usually the UTRs or escorts. "Normal " 20 yr old girls don't necessarily want to sleep and hang out with father or grand father figures.[/QUOTE]I wouldn't read too much into an age range specified on a website. Many times on [URL]match.com[/URL] I found civy pickups who would just open the age range up to 70+ or whatever the upper end was at the time. I don't think they were truly interested in someone 70+, they just didn't want to be bothered to think too much about the age range because it didn't matter much to them.
One girl I dated a few times (bar pickup) had two recent boyfriends she told me about, one was 25 and the other was 53. I literally said "for fucks sake, do you think you've got a wide enough age range going there"? And she just laughed and said "men are men, it's not about age" and said the 25 year old was mature for his age and the 53 year old was in great shape for his age. She had a great job, wasn't even a SB or UTR candidate, that was just how she viewed dating. A lot of women view it the same way.
What I have been the unfortunate recipient of is a case of mistaken age range in a bar scene that was geared toward the 30 and under crowd, and the times that has happened have been enough to ruin an entire night. More than once I've had a semi-drunken 20 something get freaked out after mistaking me for someone closer to her age, then learning my actual age -- and every time this has happened it was when she was with her friends -- very clearly cared about not letting her friends see her hook up with an older guy even if she was attracted to him. So, looking younger than your age sometimes comes with a cost, I'd rather that type of false lead situation just not materialize at all. I've gotten by a few times by just lying about my age, but after a while you just don't feel like lying about it anymore.
This risk is removed for sugarbabies -- for the most part their friends don't need to know they are meeting you, so age becomes much less of an issue. Also, I've seen the above dilemma work in the opposite direction with SBs. I had one SB I was on a date with run into some of her friends from high school in a club -- this was a college baby that was going to school in the same city she recently graduated HS from. I told her it was cool if she wanted me to go stealth for a while so she could talk to her friends, but she clung onto me like I was her boyfriend as she introduced me to them. The polar opposite of the type of girls I mentioned above who care what their friends think. It's like having an SD (or as far as they knew simply an older date) was kind of a status symbol for her -- she was proud of it.
I remember when I was maybe in my late 30's, having a fuck buddy who was mid-20's. We would go out drinking sometimes but since we were not technically dating, we would both flirt with others whenever we felt like it, although we would ultimately go home together. Every time I saw her flirting with some guy, he was early 50's. She liked them old -- she used to joke that I was way too young for her. And, she was one of those I mentioned before from [URL]match.com[/URL] that had the "unlimited" age range in her profile.
I would say age is not a deterrent at all, as long as you take good care of yourself. Allow yourself to get old and sloppy looking, leathered and crusty, and well of course it's going to limit prospects to some degree.
[QUOTE=FredMoore;2611098]I'm in a local group started here -and after an initial flurry of "do you know - ? Nothing. So I'm not sure guys want to share so much. There is also the prevailing requirement to trade girls. For me, currently only seeing one SB and not shopping due to SO constraints, I can not contribute so much. I do agree that newbies who have not established bona fides should not have access to a shopping list compiled by hard working mongers. So -a good thought but not so effective it seems. Publicly discussing individuals is fraught with hazard since girls can stalk this site and glean insider info-so most of it should be off site.[/QUOTE]Fred,
I agree with you that this thread is special, and we should not, at all costs, degrade into swapping the names of hookers, but I still maintain that it would be helpful to the brotherhood in a particular area to know if there are any scams being pulled, and exactly who those bad babies are.
I may have said this already, but when I had a retail store decades ago, my fellow retailers and I had a local police detective come talk to us about our rights as storeowners regarding shoplifters and just plain suspicious people. The one piece of advice that struck me was this, "you can't hurt the feelings of a crook. " A scammer knows she's a scammer, and if she somehow discovers her name and picture on this thread, she will know that the jig's up for her. I see nothing wrong with that.
That said, bitching about GPS with a name and profile attached is a horse of a different color altogether. Let the market sort that out. But scammers, thieves and bad babies are a whole different issue in my mind.
On a different topic, I LOVE Back To School Time! I have many assorted escapades to relate, but not enough time at the moment, sadly. Let me say, however, that school supplies are apparently more expensive than ever, and freshman pussy can be had for the cost of a few textbooks. Just remember to check IDs
What a life!
Scott.
I went to a coffeehouse to meet my two POT. I decided to do two back to back meetings. The first POT had class tonight so she couldn't stay very long. The second POT flaked out and didn't return my calls.
This has been my best encounter so far even I didn't get her to the FC. We talked for a bit, and made a real connection. I drove her back to the dorm, and we're going to meet sometime next week.
This thread has helped me so much. I used one of the template message on girls that I already messaged but didn't get back to me. Three of them replied to my second response.
My problem that I am running into is that I get the girl's phone, but then it is dead silence after that. They won't reply to my text and they won't answer their phones. Looks like I have more studying to do.
[QUOTE=Mike7794;2607589]Well I finally met a POT I've been wanting to meet for months. She is three hours from me and with my schedule and hers as she travels for her work it has been difficult. I wrote her off a couple of times, and she left the site for a while. I knew Sunday and Monday would be open, so I reached out to her earlier in the week. She drove a little bit and I drove the rest to meet. A recent grad from a university and on the side is a lifeguard and about 24 yrs old. Her pictures were nice, but she is way better in person. I think the cameras on the phones make people look just a little bit bigger than they are. Anyway we met at a restaurant, then ended up at my hotel to the FC. That was quality damn pussy. I love a woman who takes care of themselves hygienically. She is getting added to my lineup.
Since I was making that drive I was working on a few plan B's in case this one didn't work out or flaked on me. After I kissed my baby goodbye not but an hour later I was contacted by one of the women I reached out to before I left. We are meeting for breakfast. I'm supposed to be driving back, but maybe I don't start back until later. Who knows? Gents this game is fun.
I would rate my new baby 9/10/9/8. I'm tempering my enthusiasm in giving the face a nine and her personality a nine. Her skills might improve from the eight as we get to know each other in the bed each time. But eight is also good. I anticipate that will improve.[/QUOTE]Now that I've come down from my high, and it's not as if I didn't have certain things run through my mind at the time of the meet, but I want feedback from you guys. I want to know what you think my baby does for a living.
I will give you my conclusion first. I've been wrong before, so here goes. I'm thinking my new girl works in the porn industry or maybe nude magazines. Here's why I think that. On our meet and greet we had a nice dinner with very good conversation. She does have intelligence as she is a recent graduate of a Div I university. Periodically she travels to Las Vegas to work for a modeling catalog. As she describes it it is "an off brand company". This was after I asked what retailer it was. What is the secret about revealing what retailer it is I thought. She says she used to work in California, but now works in Las Vegas. When asking her if she still works in California from time to time she said she doesn't because that company had a requirement of working under a contract. The company in LV allows her to work as an independent, which gives her much more freedom as she put it. She said she pretty much works when the money gets low, and will go out for a week at a time to do the shoots. When it was near the end of our FC meeting she made a point to say to contact her after she returns. Reading her and between the lines I took it that she can't be interrupted while she is working. That in itself doesn't bother me, because I would have no reason to call her anyway, but it came across as she can't be interrupted. Oh I forgot to add that she mentioned she works at the Aria casino from time to time as a greeter for special occasions or events going on there.
My take is one she is doing porn films.
Two she is shooting in nude magazines.
Three she has another daddy in LV.
Four she is escorting for the Aria or has certain clients that fly her out. (I do know of this about many hot women from around the country can go into LV and escort for a month, sometimes exclusively with a hotel and come away with 10 to 15 k in a month minimum, then come home.
Five she is modeling clothing for a retail store's catalog.
On a side note during our dinner while she was describing her work and where she works I asked her if she was in the adult industry. She said she didn't and that everyone she talks to about her profession thinks the same thing. Personally I didn't take the bait that she is a legit model. What say you, guys?
I also have to mention that on her spare time she is a lifeguard for a local fire department or something.
[QUOTE=Mike7794;2611957]Now that I've come down from my high, and it's not as if I didn't have certain things run through my mind at the time of the meet, but I want feedback from you guys. I want to know what you think my baby does for a living.
I will give you my conclusion first. I've been wrong before, so here goes. I'm thinking my new girl works in the porn industry or maybe nude magazines. Here's why I think that. On our meet and greet we had a nice dinner with very good conversation. She does have intelligence as she is a recent graduate of a Div I university. Periodically she travels to Las Vegas to work for a modeling catalog. As she describes it it is "an off brand company". This was after I asked what retailer it was. What is the secret about revealing what retailer it is I thought. She says she used to work in California, but now works in Las Vegas. When asking her if she still works in California from time to time she said she doesn't because that company had a requirement of working under a contract. The company in LV allows her to work as an independent, which gives her much more freedom as she put it. She said she pretty much works when the money gets low, and will go out for a week at a time to do the shoots. When it was near the end of our FC meeting she made a point to say to contact her after she returns. Reading her and between the lines I took it that she can't be interrupted while she is working. That in itself doesn't bother me, because I would have no reason to call her anyway, but it came across as she can't be interrupted. Oh I forgot to add that she mentioned she works at the Aria casino from time to time as a greeter for special occasions or events going on there.
My take is one she is doing porn films.
Two she is shooting in nude magazines.
Three she has another daddy in LV.
Four she is escorting for the Aria or has certain clients that fly her out. (I do know of this about many hot women from around the country can go into LV and escort for a month, sometimes exclusively with a hotel and come away with 10 to 15 k in a month minimum, then come home.
Five she is modeling clothing for a retail store's catalog.
On a side note during our dinner while she was describing her work and where she works I asked her if she was in the adult industry. She said she didn't and that everyone she talks to about her profession thinks the same thing. Personally I didn't take the bait that she is a legit model. What say you, guys?
I also have to mention that on her spare time she is a lifeguard for a local fire department or something.[/QUOTE]My first guess was escort.
[QUOTE=Mike7794;2611957]Now that I've come down from my high, and it's not as if I didn't have certain things run through my mind at the time of the meet, but I want feedback from you guys. I want to know what you think my baby does for a living.
I will give you my conclusion first. I've been wrong before, so here goes. I'm thinking my new girl works in the porn industry or maybe nude magazines. Here's why I think that. On our meet and greet we had a nice dinner with very good conversation. She does have intelligence as she is a recent graduate of a Div I university. Periodically she travels to Las Vegas to work for a modeling catalog. As she describes it it is "an off brand company". This was after I asked what retailer it was. What is the secret about revealing what retailer it is I thought. She says she used to work in California, but now works in Las Vegas. When asking her if she still works in California from time to time she said she doesn't because that company had a requirement of working under a contract. The company in LV allows her to work as an independent, which gives her much more freedom as she put it. She said she pretty much works when the money gets low, and will go out for a week at a time to do the shoots. When it was near the end of our FC meeting she made a point to say to contact her after she returns. Reading her and between the lines I took it that she can't be interrupted while she is working. That in itself doesn't bother me, because I would have no reason to call her anyway, but it came across as she can't be interrupted. Oh I forgot to add that she mentioned she works at the Aria casino from time to time as a greeter for special occasions or events going on there.
My take is one she is doing porn films.
Two she is shooting in nude magazines.
Three she has another daddy in LV.
Four she is escorting for the Aria or has certain clients that fly her out. (I do know of this about many hot women from around the country can go into LV and escort for a month, sometimes exclusively with a hotel and come away with 10 to 15 k in a month minimum, then come home.
Five she is modeling clothing for a retail store's catalog.
On a side note during our dinner while she was describing her work and where she works I asked her if she was in the adult industry. She said she didn't and that everyone she talks to about her profession thinks the same thing. Personally I didn't take the bait that she is a legit model. What say you, guys?
I also have to mention that on her spare time she is a lifeguard for a local fire department or something.[/QUOTE]There is a growing porn industry emerging here in LV. Both video, and photo as well as Cam-girl "Studios" I have an acquaintance from Houston that travels to Vegas about every 90 days to shoot video content. Early on in my Sugar Bowl adventures I met a young woman who made a decent living working as a Cam Girl. Your POT sounds more like someone doing Adult work rather than Sears catalog modeling.
[QUOTE=Inpddwt;2611847]I went to a coffeehouse to meet my two POT. I decided to do two back to back meetings. The first POT had class tonight so she couldn't stay very long. The second POT flaked out and didn't return my calls.
This has been my best encounter so far even I didn't get her to the FC. We talked for a bit, and made a real connection. I drove her back to the dorm, and we're going to meet sometime next week.
This thread has helped me so much. I used one of the template message on girls that I already messaged but didn't get back to me. Three of them replied to my second response.
My problem that I am running into is that I get the girl's phone, but then it is dead silence after that. They won't reply to my text and they won't answer their phones. Looks like I have more studying to do.[/QUOTE]Don't think you need to study more. It is part of the game they play.
My guess is that she's sugaring with multiple SDs in multiple regions.
I suspect the less interest you show in what she does, the more she'll want to tell you. In my humble opinion, I've found the fairer sex to be funny in that way.
At the end of the day, does it matter to you? Her trips out of town save you from the awkward situation of being out with a new baby and running into her.
Just my two cents.
[QUOTE=Mike7794;2611957]Now that I've come down from my high, and it's not as if I didn't have certain things run through my mind at the time of the meet, but I want feedback from you guys. I want to know what you think my baby does for a living.
I will give you my conclusion first. I've been wrong before, so here goes. I'm thinking my new girl works in the porn industry or maybe nude magazines. Here's why I think that. On our meet and greet we had a nice dinner with very good conversation. She does have intelligence as she is a recent graduate of a Div I university. Periodically she travels to Las Vegas to work for a modeling catalog. As she describes it it is "an off brand company". This was after I asked what retailer it was. What is the secret about revealing what retailer it is I thought. She says she used to work in California, but now works in Las Vegas. When asking her if she still works in California from time to time she said she doesn't because that company had a requirement of working under a contract. The company in LV allows her to work as an independent, which gives her much more freedom as she put it. She said she pretty much works when the money gets low, and will go out for a week at a time to do the shoots. When it was near the end of our FC meeting she made a point to say to contact her after she returns. Reading her and between the lines I took it that she can't be interrupted while she is working. That in itself doesn't bother me, because I would have no reason to call her anyway, but it came across as she can't be interrupted. Oh I forgot to add that she mentioned she works at the Aria casino from time to time as a greeter for special occasions or events going on there.
My take is one she is doing porn films.
Two she is shooting in nude magazines.
Three she has another daddy in LV.
Four she is escorting for the Aria or has certain clients that fly her out. (I do know of this about many hot women from around the country can go into LV and escort for a month, sometimes exclusively with a hotel and come away with 10 to 15 k in a month minimum, then come home.
Five she is modeling clothing for a retail store's catalog.
On a side note during our dinner while she was describing her work and where she works I asked her if she was in the adult industry. She said she didn't and that everyone she talks to about her profession thinks the same thing. Personally I didn't take the bait that she is a legit model. What say you, guys?
I also have to mention that on her spare time she is a lifeguard for a local fire department or something.[/QUOTE]
Concur 100%. So many of these girls think that if they make themselves to available, you will lose interest. What they don't realize is that if they don't act fast, they may lose their spot in line for the sugar.
[QUOTE=MulchMan;2612153]Don't think you need to study more. It is part of the game they play.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=IluvSmellyFish;2612265]My guess is that she's sugaring with multiple SDs in multiple regions.
I suspect the less interest you show in what she does, the more she'll want to tell you. In my humble opinion, I've found the fairer sex to be funny in that way.
At the end of the day, does it matter to you? Her trips out of town save you from the awkward situation of being out with a new baby and running into her.
Just my two cents.[/QUOTE]If she takes care of you for a decent price don't worry about it. Just don't fall for her. My guess is you pay her a lot -maybe too much. Serial SBs / escorts run a fine line and in fact are the same IMHO. They both usually command higher PPOs in the $300-500 range, or more. Low volume escorts might have a book of 5 -10 guys, and of course her cover story is great for having the flexibility to come and go when she has a booking.
[QUOTE=Mike7794;2611957]
On a side note during our dinner while she was describing her work and where she works I asked her if she was in the adult industry. She said she didn't and that everyone she talks to about her profession thinks the same thing. Personally I didn't take the bait that she is a legit model. What say you, guys?
[/QUOTE]I'd wager she is in some aspect of the adult industry or has just created a story to explain otherwise unexplained jaunts where she is traveling and can't be reached (I. E. Visits with SD numbers 12 and 17, etc). I once met a foreign girl on a civy dating site who did not have a photo with her profile. Her excuse was she had not had time to digitize a photo and upload one (this was before most people had smartphones with cams), but she assured me was as described and also an established model in her home country and a journalist. When I finally met her in person, she handed me magazines with marked pages that had advertisements featuring her modeling and examples of published newspaper articles... she was exactly as described.
My point is that if your POT did legitimate modeling, you probably wouldn't be able to get away from looking at examples of her work. That's how they both network professionally and feed their own egos simultaneously. My story may not apply in every case, but it reflects one man's opinion -- she seems like she is hiding something from you.
[QUOTE=Rouleur;2612107]There is a growing porn industry emerging here in LV. Both video, and photo as well as Cam-girl "Studios" I have an acquaintance from Houston that travels to Vegas about every 90 days to shoot video content. Early on in my Sugar Bowl adventures I met a young woman who made a decent living working as a Cam Girl. Your POT sounds more like someone doing Adult work rather than Sears catalog modeling.[/QUOTE]
Right. The porn industry, largely in Van Nuys, have been moving out of the area to other counties and to Las Vegas, because of a condom law that was passed a few years ago.
As she was telling me her reasons that she used to work in California and now in LV that went through my mind. At the end of the day it doesn't matter to me. I have my other babies I take care of, so if that's her thing I don't really care. She's very hot, still has young pussy, and good in bed. I just wanted to see if I was right in my intuition.
[QUOTE=IluvSmellyFish;2612265]My guess is that she's sugaring with multiple SDs in multiple regions.
I suspect the less interest you show in what she does, the more she'll want to tell you. In my humble opinion, I've found the fairer sex to be funny in that way.
At the end of the day, does it matter to you? Her trips out of town save you from the awkward situation of being out with a new baby and running into her.
Just my two cents.[/QUOTE]Oh no it doesn't matter to me. Just testing if my senses are still sharp.
She also is so willing to drive to me or anywhere. She said it's nothing for her to jump in her car and drive across the country if need be. I liked that, because she is three hours from me, but that is one young woman who is worth it. For now at least. At some point all pussy gets boring to me over time. My ex Asian wife was hot, but there was a point of no big deal and it became boring. So I'll ride this as long as I'm excited about it. It might take me a year. Who knows.
[QUOTE=JeezLizard;2612353]I'd wager she is in some aspect of the adult industry or has just created a story to explain otherwise unexplained jaunts where she is traveling and can't be reached (I. E. Visits with SD numbers 12 and 17, etc). I once met a foreign girl on a civy dating site who did not have a photo with her profile. Her excuse was she had not had time to digitize a photo and upload one (this was before most people had smartphones with cams), but she assured me was as described and also an established model in her home country and a journalist. When I finally met her in person, she handed me magazines with marked pages that had advertisements featuring her modeling and examples of published newspaper articles... she was exactly as described.
My point is that if your POT did legitimate modeling, you probably wouldn't be able to get away from looking at examples of her work. That's how they both network professionally and feed their own egos simultaneously. My story may not apply in every case, but it reflects one man's opinion -- she seems like she is hiding something from you.[/QUOTE]Good points and the legitimate take can still be real. She is quite petite and feminine. There is no hardness to her at all as if she was a pro in the industry. She did just graduate last year. It is still all so early. In subsequent meetings we will see what comes out I. E. Showing modeling magazines as you mentioned or what Fish and Fred Moore suggested that when she gets comfortable with me she'll reveal any adult stuff. .
Much appreciated from you guys. I value your opinions.
In a way if this young lady is leading that life I can see how it can be fun and adventurous for them to work (whatevery it is) in other states and just take off to a place when called upon. I can see how they could get addicted to that life. It's got to be fun for them. I know it's fun for me dating all these young college students.
I'm in Burbank now. Hollywood Guy's stomping grounds pretty much. I'm reaching out to several and getting replies from these college ladies. When back in school they're hungry for some help.
Also I might add. There is so much more quality young women here compared to where I'm from. I see it everywhere everyday.
[QUOTE=GuyInTheCorner;2610778] .... Agree with everyone else that asking about amount early is usually a sign of trouble. A reasonable amount of chat over the SA site or email, followed by a Coffee m&g was always the most successful for me. And in many cases I would go into it with no expectations and find myself pleased with the results...[/QUOTE]Who is asking for the amount. SB or me? Do you try to get the SB's expectation $ right off the bat per HWG methodology? It seems like you do not and go through the m&g etc.
[QUOTE=PghGuy2005;2612785]Who is asking for the amount. SB or me? Do you try to get the SB's expectation $ right off the bat per HWG methodology? It seems like you do not and go through the m&g etc.[/QUOTE]I make it a point never to talk definite sugar amounts before the m&g. It starts things off on a transactional basis, and the options are you either hit their number on the head, which rarely happens, you are below it, in which case you are now a cheap ass bastard in their minds, or you are above it, in which case you are now overpaying for something you could have gotten less expensively.
I prefer meeting them first, determining if I want to pursue them, turning on the charm, and talking sugar at the very end, or sometimes even on the second date. I find that the babies that want a number upfront are either pros, utrs, or are shopping one SD against another, and waiting for the highest number, which often turns out to come from a bullshitter or a fake.
Hollywood had a method which seemed to work for the kind of baby he was happy to bang, but I wonder how many of them were pros pretending to be babies.
In the end, we all have to craft an approach that works for us, and is the most successful for the kind of little fish we are angling for. You don't use a bass lure to go after trout.
Scott.
[QUOTE=FScott;2612830]I make it a point never to talk definite sugar amounts before the m&g. It starts things off on a transactional basis, and the options are you either hit their number on the head, which rarely happens, you are below it, in which case you are now a cheap ass bastard in their minds, or you are above it, in which case you are now overpaying for something you could have gotten less expensively.
I prefer meeting them first, determining if I want to pursue them, turning on the charm, and talking sugar at the very end, or sometimes even on the second date. I find that the babies that want a number upfront are either pros, utrs, or are shopping one SD against another, and waiting for the highest number, which often turns out to come from a bullshitter or a fake.
Hollywood had a method which seemed to work for the kind of baby he was happy to bang, but I wonder how many of them were pros pretending to be babies.
In the end, we all have to craft an approach that works for us, and is the most successful for the kind of little fish we are angling for. You don't use a bass lure to go after trout.
Scott.[/QUOTE]Completely agree. Here's the crazy thing. Unless they are pros, they are still real, live women. None of them want to think they are hookers. If they like you, they will sleep with you for less than if you are "meh". And most of them won't sleep with you at all if they think you are a loser, no matter how much.
So unless you have no game whatsoever, don't talk sugar until after you meet. Make them comfortable. All the same crap you do on a date. Then once they like you. Hell. It becomes "spend 20 minutes blowing this guy for $75. Sure. Got nothing else going on".
I'm in Burbank. Hollywood Guy's neck of the woods. I've put feelers out since before I left. Met one today for a m & g. 22 yr old, 5'7" and slim. FC is planned for Monday.
She actually has a Persian look to her.
If she performs well then I'll have one here when I visit. I'm having so much fun with this stuff.
Good to hear that many are having success in the bowl. There appears to be a supply and demand imbalance that is favoring our side of the equation.
My weekend went well. Was able to use one room for two babies. My blonde swim instructor in the morning and one of my new additions to the rotation was an overnight. The new addition is amazing and has me thinking about dropping my blondie because of the massive allowance disparity.
Of the three M&Gs that were scheduled, one went completley dark and tore down her profile. She had promise though. The other two ended up being rescheduled due to my work schedule. Oddly enough thougj a random pot I jad been messaging texted me and we are now set for a trip to the FC later this month.
Its pouring pussy fellahs. Best of luck to all the players in the bowl!
[QUOTE=Mike7794;2614164]I'm in Burbank. Hollywood Guy's neck of the woods. I've put feelers out since before I left. Met one today for a m & g. 22 yr old, 5'7" and slim. FC is planned for Monday.
She actually has a Persian look to her.
If she performs well then I'll have one here when I visit. I'm having so much fun with this stuff.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=IluvSmellyFish;2615558]...My blonde swim instructor in the morning and one of my new additions to the rotation was an overnight. The new addition is amazing and has me thinking about dropping my blondie because of the massive allowance disparity.
...[/QUOTE]Of the blonde swim instructor. I / We intrigued by the babe you had to pursue tenaciously for so long.
Too bad there is a "drought" in the south east.
[QUOTE=IluvSmellyFish;2615558]Good to hear that many are having success in the bowl. There appears to be a supply and demand imbalance that is favoring our side of the equation.
My weekend went well. Was able to use one room for two babies. My blonde swim instructor in the morning and one of my new additions to the rotation was an overnight. The new addition is amazing and has me thinking about dropping my blondie because of the massive allowance disparity.
Its pouring pussy fellahs. Best of luck to all the players in the bowl![/QUOTE]Pussy is available if you have enough 1) time and 2) money. The challenge for me is I have a dearth of both to spend on the hobby.
Smelly, I recall you are spending $350 on Swim Girl? At that rate not one girl in my market would say no. You definitely open up your options if you are willing to spend to that level. The nice thing about her -for you, is you can prospect like you are doing for a better deal, and once you find one drop her or reduce her rate significantly. If she says "no" then next!!
The challenge comes when playing BP rates $100-200/ session.
[QUOTE=PghGuy2005;2615694]Of the blonde swim instructor. I / We intrigued by the babe you had to pursue tenaciously for so long.
Too bad there is a "drought" in the south east.[/QUOTE]Oh here here, I'd like to see that too.
I am happy to report that my three FC trips (one completed and two that are planned) are all in the $100 - $200 range.
My swim instructor is $350 now because I like her so much that I wanted to take her off the market. Her profile on SA is currently dark as a result.
[QUOTE=FredMoore;2615726]Smelly, I recall you are spending $350 on Swim Girl? At that rate not one girl in my market would say no. You definitely open up your options if you are willing to spend to that level. The nice thing about her -for you, is you can prospect like you are doing for a better deal, and once you find one drop her or reduce her rate significantly. If she says "no" then next!!
The challenge comes when playing BP rates $100-200/ session.[/QUOTE]
If you read my prior posts, you will notice that I got burned early on by disclosing too much info about my babies on this forum. As a result, I don't post pics and my info is always slightly off (age might be one or two years off, or she might be a brunette, not a blonde).
Too many SBs in the Mid Atlantic read this forum. A few months back, the forum admin had to deal with a crazy one who kept posting crazy stuff. It wouldn't be too hard for one of my babies to link my SA profile with my forum profile if I started posting pics and completely accurate info.
As an aside, if you want confirmation that I am not bragging for the sake of bragging, feel free to contact FTP about whether my info is any good. Bragging rights are always nice, but the info is more to tell our brothers when the tide of the bowl is ebbing and flowing (see prior posts), and to share allowance info in the mid-atlantic. To the extent I get any bragging rights, well those are just an added bonus. Of course I am under 45 so many will correctly point out that because of that advantage alone, I should be doing well. To those who think that, know that I am in complete agreement.
As for Ftp. He is the keeper of the list in parts of the areas I play in. I have shared baby info with him in the past. I will be sending him another list of my own shortly.
[QUOTE=Beachesnole02;2615738]Oh here here, I'd like to see that too.[/QUOTE]
My swim instructor has been my SB for a few months, but I didn't really pursue her for very long.
[QUOTE=PghGuy2005;2615694]Of the blonde swim instructor. I / We intrigued by the babe you had to pursue tenaciously for so long.
Too bad there is a "drought" in the south east.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=IluvSmellyFish;2615805]If you read my prior posts, you will notice that I got burned early on by disclosing too much info about my babies on this forum. As a result, I don't post pics and my info is always slightly off (age might be one or two years off, or she might be a brunette, not a blonde).
[/QUOTE]This is a good idea and aligns with recommendations I've made in the past. In the age of over-sharing, revealing too much info here is not a good idea unless you truly have nothing to lose (no SO / family / job concerns). Anything you post, whether accurate descriptions of the girls themselves, or photos, or conversations, might be used to identify you, and I think most SDs would prefer to keep their SBs on a "need to know" basis, minimizing the depth into our personal lives they have access to. Even posting a photo can identify you -- if she can recognize herself in the photo, she will likely know who you are.
I know my methods and advice do not always coincide nicely with the way others around here like to do things, but I also recommend not "sharing" girls or even info on specific girls with others you don't know via e-mail. As far as trading girls contact info, the only type of girls that would be willing to take referral daddies are straight up UTR escorts, and those are easy enough to bag on your own without putting your privacy at risk. Once there is a connection between you and a girl and that girl and someone else, there is a connection between you and that someone else. I have seen cases where I introduced friends to girls I formerly dated -- girls they might not have otherwise had the opportunity to fuck -- only to get stabbed in the back later as the girl got inside their head and decided to try to turn them against me. In one case the friendship was stronger than his desire to keep banging the girl but other cases turned out badly enough to teach me a lesson about sharing. You never know a man's weakness, particularly not an anonymous one over the Internet that you barely know. And again, trading girls with others is something best left for escorts and hookers -- anything that crosses that scene over and brings it into the SB scene is putting the bowl in jeopardy over the long-term.
I for one would like to see USASG lock down some of the content of this forum a bit more, so that it does not show up in search engines without creating an account and logging in (no anonymous reading). It doesn't lock sugar babies out of the thread, but it makes it harder for them to stumble on it so easily by a simple Google search.
[QUOTE=Mike7794;2614164]I'm in Burbank. Hollywood Guy's neck of the woods. I've put feelers out since before I left. Met one today for a m & g. 22 yr old, 5'7" and slim. FC is planned for Monday.
She actually has a Persian look to her.
If she performs well then I'll have one here when I visit. I'm having so much fun with this stuff.[/QUOTE]Well so it is written so it is done fellas.
I'm trying to decide whether to keep this one or not. Long story short on one hand she's a little ditzy on the other hand she wasn't kidding when she told me she lost her virginity last year. Yes she just turned 22 and I said "yeah right", but after doing that, and experiencing her high sensitivity I would have to say she was telling the truth. And more importantly to me the her kitty was as clean as could be. Zero after smell. Just on that evaluation itself I have to give her a second chance.
Also she has these Persian / Egyptian type eyes that just mesmerizes you. Oh the lips are A 1 too on a nice slender model type body.
Men there is pussy galore out there.
Now that I'll be returning I have babies to catch up with.
On Wednesday meeting with my 31 yr old writer.
Thursday a M & G with a 23 yr old.
Friday tentatively meeting my hot 24 yr old recent graduate who is a legit model, or an adult model, or an escort. She might drive to me this time.
Saturday a M & G with two. One a stunning 29 yr old Latina and a cute 19 yr old red head.
I'm slowly going to faze out my college senior and maybe the same with the Asian Grad student.
There is one additional M & G but nothing has been confirmed. I just looked at her account and she took it off. So she went dark.
There were two escorts in Burbank / Glendale I turned away, and one other who went dark.
Plus one here in Glendale I was texting with before I left went dark when I got here except for a "I'm sorry been really busy".
Win some lose some, but I do like my wins. Solid wins.
Oh I almost forgot. A 19 yr old college student finally responded to me. I've got to fit in a M & G somewhere. I'm thinking Sunday. If one of the girls flakes on me this week I have a bench who is willing to play. She would be the bench player.
I've got to mention. On the M & G I had with my Persian I took her to a certain college backer bar located in North Hollywood to watch a college football game. That's where we hit it off.
The funny thing I want to mention is one most of the married guys look miserable being tied down. I see envy in their eyes when they see me with a 21 yr old gorgeous middle eastern woman.
And two I see these women in their forties giving me the evil eye like I'm robbing the cradle. When in reality they're jealous because they don't have the package they used to and my girl did. Petty crap.
Been out the bowl for awhile now. Promoted long-term SB to live-in SO. It's going very good so far and saved $$$ from my previous stream of rotating babies. I've been contemplating coming out of retirement. Is there anything worthwhile out there? I picked up some side chicks in the civi world. None have been to FC yet, but I noticed I'm approaching civi girls as if they're SB's. My game has been on another level since The Bowl.
[QUOTE=JeezLizard;2615890]
As far as trading girls contact info, the only type of girls that would be willing to take referral daddies are straight up UTR escorts, and those are easy enough to bag on your own without putting your privacy at risk. Trading girls with others is something best left for escorts and hookers -- anything that crosses that scene over and brings it into the SB scene is putting the bowl in jeopardy over the long-term.
I for one would like to see USASG lock down some of the content of this forum a bit more, so that it does not show up in search engines without creating an account and logging in (no anonymous reading). It doesn't lock sugar babies out of the thread, but it makes it harder for them to stumble on it so easily by a simple Google search.[/QUOTE]I totally agree with Lizard on this one. As I have stated previously, I'm all in favor of outing Bad Babies, scammers, con artists, Eastern European fakers, etc, with specific names, profiles and pics, but semantics aside, true SBs are not escorts, don't view themselves as such, and ought not to be treated as such. Don't poison your own well by behaving badly, my brothers. If too many babies are scared away from the Bowl, it will be just you and Rosie again, and who wants that?
If you want a "George Bailey" moment, just take a look at the "Chicago's non-pros" thread in my area to get an idea of what this could devolve into. Poor saps sharing names off CL and BP like they were state secrets. Any info I've posted over the years has not been to help you catch MY little fish, but to help you catch your own.
Peace,
Scott.