"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[QUOTE=Telcova;2584201]I've had one SB tell me that she does not do penetration but oral is ok, else her boyfriend will find out.

FYI, I'm not that big.[/QUOTE]My 20 y/o started out HJ only, saving everything else for her boyfiend. She commented on how long it took me to cum. I told her it takes a long time for me no matter what way. That led to her complaining her boyfriend cums too quick and often left her unsatisfied.

On my next date with her, she pulls out a condom and climbs on top of me. She ended up cuming twice before I shot my load. So from then on we have been having lots more fun together!

"Brad Pitt is often regarded as joe-stud-boy of the century, and lots of people would have loved to find out how kinky Angelina Jolie is when she was younger, so if sex with groupies is so awesome how come he chooses not to partake-and stay monogamous to mama?

We ASS-ume that every guy is like we are and seeks to screw any girl remotely in his taste range at any time. All we need is a place -right? In fact, I would argue that many if not most seek stability and the marital home fire rather than a life of debauchery. Even rich, famous, and studly guys settle for home and hearth. I would assume that Brad Pitt would bang the best of the best who throw themselves at his feet -but maybe not. And of course, the rumors fly about Clooney having a predilection for boys. Who the heck knows what the facts are behind closed doors?

Maybe some hound dawgs get it out of their systems and settle down, but I only know that the more I score, the more I need.

[QUOTE=FredMoore;2584759]"Brad Pitt is often regarded as joe-stud-boy of the century, and lots of people would have loved to find out how kinky Angelina Jolie is when she was younger, so if sex with groupies is so awesome how come he chooses not to partake-and stay monogamous to mama?

We ASS-ume that every guy is like we are and seeks to screw any girl remotely in his taste range at any time. All we need is a place -right? In fact, I would argue that many if not most seek stability and the marital home fire rather than a life of debauchery. Even rich, famous, and studly guys settle for home and hearth. I would assume that Brad Pitt would bang the best of the best who throw themselves at his feet -but maybe not. And of course, the rumors fly about Clooney having a predilection for boys. Who the heck knows what the facts are behind closed doors?

Maybe some hound dawgs get it out of their systems and settle down, but I only know that the more I score, the more I need.[/QUOTE]I hadn't heard the Clooney-on-Boys rumor before (but then I'm not really a fan of his work anyway), but every time I see some celebrity who has Brad Pitt-like status get married, the first thought that enters my mind is "why? When you have all the money and the pussy in the world, why complicate things? " But then I think about it on a deeper level and I think I can relate in some ways (not to being like Brad Pitt or having his money or looks but to why he might want to spend his life doing something other than fucking as many women as possible). It goes back to something I said a few posts back about the challenge of a relationship and also the been-there-done-that-feeling of banging lots of random girls.

When I got a divorce I had this bittersweet feeling -- bummed that the marriage didn't work, even more bummed that I had to deal with lawyers, but also at the same time the realization that I was now free to go and do whatever I want. It was something that would put an evil grin on my face just thinking about it. Whenever I wasn't working, I spent my waking hours either hunting down poon online, going to bars, etc. Had lots of fun, but after a while I started realizing I was really missing something that I had before, so I started keeping an eye out for someone who was "relationship material". Much easier said than done. Part of it was that ladies under maybe 28 or so were just too immature for anything real with me, and everyone over that age usually has kids from a prior marriage or something. The other part of it is just that I am extremely picky when it comes to personality, and literally probably only 1 in 1,000 ladies have the right combination of personality traits for me to make things work with.

So, I realized that hooking up is one thing, and finding happiness was a something else entirely. Years went by and I basically had just conceded to playing the field indefinitely, I figured it was too late in life to find someone that was really for me. So I met the current GF pretty much by accident through one of my other prospects. It was hard giving up freedom and my man-horring habits, but I started realizing she might be "the one". Now, many years into the relationship, I now hold it as the part of my life that is most important to me.

So my guess is that the Brad Pitt story is something like that. He probably fucked every hottie in Hollywood for many years, to the point where his needs were simply beyond met, and there's no where for him to go mentally except to find the next level of challenge. Who knows, maybe he does still cheat. With paparazzi everywhere that's probably a really bad idea for a celebrity these days anyway.

If I were a celebrity of that status, it would be really hard to resist not having a rotating staff of hot young nannies to take care of matters when the SO travels. Maybe the SD sites would be a good recruiting mechanism for that. LOL. I'm sure sexual harassment lawsuits would be a big part of my life if that were the case.

[QUOTE=FredMoore;2584759]I only know that the more I score, the more I need.[/QUOTE]The more you score the more you wh*re.

[QUOTE=VoxDei;2583206]I have been checking this website out. I searched my local area and checked out 7-10 profiles and found 4 or 5 which TinEye revealed images to be from some other sites. One had pics that looked too professional and one had multiple pictures of different women. IS this one of the sites that is being talked about here? What am I missing? It looks as if more than half the profiles are obvious fakes. Will the experience improve when I pay for the site?

VD.[/QUOTE]I just successfully cancelled my SD4 Me membership last week. Today they sent me an email offering a month free to rejoin. Not worth the money for me. The ones that I ended up meeting were also on SA. The only benefit I got was seeing the age range the babies were interested in meeting. Other than that, low number of women and a lot of old profiles.

Looks like the people that broke into AM have dumped their data into a torrent.

I've most of the data now, and well some people are screwed. The dump includes EVERY credit card transaction since March of 2008, outside emails, and profile details. It doesn't look like it includes pics as far as I can tell. The dump is 9 GB and is still downloading.

This is a good time to remind everyone that good operational security goes a long way. It's difficult, but can save your ass. Always use a gift card, and have a email account that can't be directly traced back to you.

Good luck to anyone who has a SO and used their real CC.

[QUOTE=BikeRider;2585153]Looks like the people that broke into AM have dumped their data into a torrent.
I've most of the data now, and well some people are screwed. [/QUOTE]I'd say AM is pretty screwed too. I wonder what their member attrition rate looks like since all of this.

Also wonder how it will affect the SD scene. It can happen on any site, we can be sure this won't be the last time.

[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;2584881]The more you score the more you wh*re.[/QUOTE]I did not really even start sleeping around until I was in my 40's. Now in my fifties the count is well into the hundreds. I was able to 12 step alcohol, but stopping chasing young poon has been much more difficult. It doesn't help that they keep coming back. In the last week, I was sent naked pictures, unsolicited, by 2 women in their 20's. One was an old babe, one was a friend of an old babe. (I say old. They were both in college) I have not spoken to either in months, both want to hook up.

I get what Jeez said about the comfort and security of one woman and commitment, I like that. I also like firm natural tits and wet pussy's Guess the devil set up camp on my shoulder to whisper to me all the time.

[QUOTE=Beachesnole02;2585261]I did not really even start sleeping around until I was in my 40's. Now in my fifties the count is well into the hundreds. I was able to 12 step alcohol, but stopping chasing young poon has been much more difficult. It doesn't help that they keep coming back. In the last week, I was sent naked pictures, unsolicited, by 2 women in their 20's. One was an old babe, one was a friend of an old babe. (I say old. They were both in college) I have not spoken to either in months, both want to hook up.

I get what Jeez said about the comfort and security of one woman and commitment, I like that. I also like firm natural tits and wet pussy's Guess the devil set up camp on my shoulder to whisper to me all the time.[/QUOTE]I was in that other fellowship for 4 years 17+ years ago. Until I graduated. LOL.

This is so much healthier.

[QUOTE=FredMoore;2584759]...We ASS-ume that every guy is like we are and seeks to screw any girl remotely in his taste range at any time. All we need is a place -right? In fact, I would argue that many if not most seek stability and the marital home fire rather than a life of debauchery...[/QUOTE]I want the warmth and security of family but also want to "play" because there has been no sex after the final child who is now 7. I know that is no excuse for infidelity but what to do it will take some much work to be a "normal" couple.

There is / was a TV show where the woman is too busy with her work and children that she has no time / interest in sex. Dang! All these fancy schmancy web search engines did not help maybe one of you can remember!

Reminder if you are new. We have a SB list going for the people in the DC / MD / NoVA area. PM me for details.

[QUOTE=Beachesnole02;2585261]
I get what Jeez said about the comfort and security of one woman and commitment, I like that. I also like firm natural tits and wet pussy's Guess the devil set up camp on my shoulder to whisper to me all the time.[/QUOTE]I guess in one sense it is a matter of comfort and security. I think its more than this, however. In fact with my current GF I couldn't say comfort or secure is really how I look at things. It's more like a house of cards that gets built and the idea is to keep it going as long as possible, knowing the threat of it crashing down (due to my love for variety) is always threatening it. I'm one of those that believe that the moment we become complacent, we become stupid -- so I try not to allow myself to get too comfortable with things that are important to me.

When I was civy dating and had someone new every week or two, I felt like that's my natural habitat. But it became monotonous and felt like being on an endless hamster wheel (a fun hamster wheel no less, but a predictable one). The individual moments of sex were great, cumming is always fun. LOL. But I knew that the first fuck or two would be the best, then I would need to discard whoever the girl was and move on, that she would be disappointed or feel used or whatever and that I would have to move on to the next girl to get the same thrill. Some girls were good at no-strings fucking but most of them wanted or expected more from me. So that got old, and simultaneously I started to miss having someone whose company I truly enjoyed to do the little things in life with (I. E. Going to a concert or a daytrip somewhere or just staying home and watching a movie).

Believe me though if I were the type that didn't start getting laid until late in life I could understand a different perspective on all this. I'm the opposite of that, my womanizing started at a young age. So most of my wild oats were sown and I needed the "next frontier" I guess.

So what are the price points you have encountered when they indicate minimal, practical, moderate and negotiable. I'd like to limit my searches to avoid wasting my time with GPS and don't want to contribute to p*ssy inflation. PM would be appreciated.

What's up with the ones who have been online a long time and have no info on what they like or want? UTR?

The latest reports seem to indicate that this is yet another scam data dump:

"There's definitely not credit card information, because we don't store that," Bhatia said. "We use transaction IDs, just like every other PCI compliant merchant processor.

If there is full credit card data in a dump, it's not from us, because we don't even have that. When someone completes a payment, what happens is from our payment processor.

We get a transaction I'd back. That's the only piece of information linking to a customer or consumer of ours.

If someone is releasing credit card data, that's not from us. We don't have that in our databases or our own systems. ".

[URL]https://krebsonsecurity.com/2015/08/was-the-ashley-madison-database-leaked/[/URL]

[QUOTE=BikeRider;2585153]Looks like the people that broke into AM have dumped their data into a torrent.

I've most of the data now, and well some people are screwed. The dump includes EVERY credit card transaction since March of 2008, outside emails, and profile details. It doesn't look like it includes pics as far as I can tell. The dump is 9 GB and is still downloading.

This is a good time to remind everyone that good operational security goes a long way. It's difficult, but can save your ass. Always use a gift card, and have a email account that can't be directly traced back to you.

Good luck to anyone who has a SO and used their real CC.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=MulchMan;2585878]So what are the price points you have encountered when they indicate minimal, practical, moderate and negotiable. I'd like to limit my searches to avoid wasting my time with GPS and don't want to contribute to p*ssy inflation. PM would be appreciated.[/QUOTE]Women put what they want but that doesn't mean they won't take less. Work your game and ignore the levels.

BAM.

[QUOTE=ToeLover57;2585959]What's up with the ones who have been online a long time and have no info on what they like or want? UTR?[/QUOTE]The UTR ones tend to have more info and pics. In my experience, the empty ones are either lazy, don't care or inarticulate. Regardless which one, they're a waste of time. Just move to the next.

BAM.

[QUOTE=PghGuy2005;2585303]I want the warmth and security of family but also want to "play" because there has been no sex after the final child who is now 7. I know that is no excuse for infidelity but what to do it will take some much work to be a "normal" couple.

![/QUOTE]There is NO excuse for a woman denying sex to her SO for any reason other than a valid health problem. No Excuse!

The caveat is that a relationship is a 2 way street and women -SOs -particularly -are not blow up sex dolls. So effort has to be made to make one's wife feel loved and desired for her "sexy" self, and not as a sperm dumpster. If you are fat and ugly-a slob, don't make an effort to groom, bathe, and make yourself attractive, then your partner might not be attracted to you anymore. But she is stuck because of the kids and money. So-if you would be happy with your SO taking care of you then make an effort to get in shape ,woo her, go to counseling, and try to make the best of it all at home. But if you are doing all that and the SO still won't respect your needs, then it is all on her. Go off and supplement her with a rental unit.

I put more weight into what they say in their profile about being spoiled and treated like the "queen" or "princess" "that I know I am". If they talk mostly all things they want without what they offer than I tend to move on. Many don't understand the allowance expectations. I've had several with moderate to high expectations on their profile that were ultimately very reasonable.

[QUOTE=MulchMan;2585878]So what are the price points you have encountered when they indicate minimal, practical, moderate and negotiable. I'd like to limit my searches to avoid wasting my time with GPS and don't want to contribute to p*ssy inflation. PM would be appreciated.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=FredMoore;2582454]JL alluded to the financial aspects of divorce, which are substantial in most cases. Only if you married up -or at least even, can you escape with your ASS-ets. She understands you enough to give you the pass and realize that no sex is a deal breaker, but when you dump her all bets might be off.

I realize that if I divorced I would not have enough left to Sugar. How bad would that be? Free to play and no money to pay? The worst of all worlds -outside looking in.

The only reason to leave would be the desire to have another crack at an IRL relationship. The bottom line is -we all get tired of the same pussy after awhile -no matter how great it is. Biology dictates that we go out and spread the seed far and wide.[/QUOTE]Guys I appreciate the feedback. I actually asked her for a divorce in May and she wants to keep the marriage. She asked me to work through the issues over the summer. We have made some good progress. However some issues remain unresolved. I know I am tossing something good. However, I do not like being underground. Our marriage was built on more than that. I would rather leave and take it on the chin than keep sneaking around for the next 20 years. I am to the point where I want to take a SB away for the weekend, and I'd have to tell the wife, hey honey stay home, it's a business retreat. Don't want to live like that. Rather go our separate ways and try to be friends.

Financially, my risk is limited in a divorce. No kids. No substantial assets and she does not qualify for alimony because she has good job skills and earns equal to me. We live in a no fault divorce state. The biggest pain will be selling our house, splitting any equity, etc.

However all that being said, I think this is good advice you guys are giving. Don't jump the gun, Don't throw a way a good thing and Clear your head of the hot pussy before making any big decisions. Thanks for speaking up.

If any of you are interested. I created a blog on this story line starting in April.

[URL]www.theunexpectedhobbyist.com[/URL]

Stop by, but no haters please. LOL.

[QUOTE=Madaboutmax;2586235]I put more weight into what they say in their profile about being spoiled and treated like the "queen" or "princess" "that I know I am". If they talk mostly all things they want without what they offer than I tend to move on. Many don't understand the allowance expectations. I've had several with moderate to high expectations on their profile that were ultimately very reasonable.[/QUOTE]I've found the ones who sound like a PITA from their profile always are once you get to know them better. Amazing what you can tell about someone from a brief self-summary.

[QUOTE=Helion;2586270]Guys I appreciate the feedback. I actually asked her for a divorce in May and she wants to keep the marriage. She asked me to work through the issues over the summer. We have made some good progress. However some issues remain unresolved. I know I am tossing something good. However, I do not like being underground.
[/QUOTE]I can definitely relate to the part about not wanting to be underground. I hate looking over my shoulder or living life with a less than clear conscience. I just got the impression your case was unique due to her giving you a free pass. If you feel it's not really a free pass in the true sense, then I suppose that's a different case. I will say that all relationships have issues.

What I like to do in these situations is take a break from whatever is pulling me in the opposite direction. If you separate yourself from the bowl for a while and still feel the same way, you'll feel a lot better about proceeding with the divorce. Otherwise it's not going to feel the same being an SD with lots of freedoms. Sneaking and the risk is part of the fun that feeds the addiction.

Drugs, alcohol, gambling and sex. Whenever a man's life is ruined, it almost always comes down to one of those four factors or a combination of them. Make sure none of those four are a factor in your reason for making big life decisions. It's perfectly feasible to be unhappy in a marriage and end it on those terms -- just don't let one of the four evil addictions be the reason.

[QUOTE=JeezLizard;2586283]I can definitely relate to the part about not wanting to be underground. I hate looking over my shoulder or living life with a less than clear conscience. I just got the impression your case was unique due to her giving you a free pass. If you feel it's not really a free pass in the true sense, then I suppose that's a different case. I will say that all relationships have issues.

What I like to do in these situations is take a break from whatever is pulling me in the opposite direction. If you separate yourself from the bowl for a while and still feel the same way, you'll feel a lot better about proceeding with the divorce. Otherwise it's not going to feel the same being an SD with lots of freedoms. Sneaking and the risk is part of the fun that feeds the addiction.

Drugs, alcohol, gambling and sex. Whenever a man's life is ruined, it almost always comes down to one of those four factors or a combination of them. Make sure none of those four are a factor in your reason for making big life decisions. It's perfectly feasible to be unhappy in a marriage and end it on those terms -- just don't let one of the four evil addictions be the reason.[/QUOTE]Thanks for being frank about it. You are right. My head is a little clouded. She gets home Monday from a month long trip. We'll see how it all goes. The summer she asked me for is over.

I know in her mind it is a free pass. However, I think she has no real idea how this hobbying world works. Somehow I think she imagines I am hooking up in hotels on the road for one night stands. Not farming for SB's and UTR escorts.

[QUOTE=Helion;2586270]Guys I appreciate the feedback. I actually asked her for a divorce in May and she wants to keep the marriage. She asked me to work through the issues over the summer. We have made some good progress.

If any of you are interested. I created a blog on this story line starting in April.

[URL]www.theunexpectedhobbyist.com[/URL]

Stop by, but no haters please. LOL.[/QUOTE]Fantastic! I'm loving your blog and am going to work my way through. Good job! What is your budget? It seems rather high for me but we can each enjoy what we can afford.

[QUOTE=GuyWoodson;2586071]The latest reports seem to indicate that this is yet another scam data dump:

"There's definitely not credit card information, because we don't store that," Bhatia said. "We use transaction IDs, just like every other PCI compliant merchant processor.

If there is full credit card data in a dump, it's not from us, because we don't even have that. When someone completes a payment, what happens is from our payment processor.

We get a transaction I'd back. That's the only piece of information linking to a customer or consumer of ours.

If someone is releasing credit card data, that's not from us. We don't have that in our databases or our own systems. ".

[URL]https://krebsonsecurity.com/2015/08/was-the-ashley-madison-database-leaked/[/URL][/QUOTE]AM is using FUD to limit the damage. My pseudonym and the various fake addresses I used are in the dump as is my profile and burner email.

It is true that they did not store the actual credit card numbers. They did store the IP address, AVS address (postal address), and email address for each transaction. You'd have to use your real address for AVS to pass (if you were using your actual credit card). The fact that the actual numbers aren't there just means nothing. The credit card dump is from March 2008 until the end of June 2015.

What's most interesting is that they also dumped a large number of corporate docs. I haven't looked through these as I've no time. I fully expect Wire / ArsTech to be writing stories if there's anything juicy in them.

[QUOTE=Helion;2586270]Guys I appreciate the feedback. I actually asked her for a divorce in May and she wants to keep the marriage. She asked me to work through the issues over the summer. We have made some good progress. However some issues remain unresolved. I know I am tossing something good. However, I do not like being underground. Our marriage was built on more than that. I would rather leave and take it on the chin than keep sneaking around for the next 20 years. I am to the point where I want to take a SB away for the weekend, and I'd have to tell the wife, hey honey stay home, it's a business retreat. Don't want to live like that. Rather go our separate ways and try to be friends.

Financially, my risk is limited in a divorce. No kids. No substantial assets and she does not qualify for alimony because she has good job skills and earns equal to me. We live in a no fault divorce state. The biggest pain will be selling our house, splitting any equity, etc.

However all that being said, I think this is good advice you guys are giving. Don't jump the gun, Don't throw a way a good thing and Clear your head of the hot pussy before making any big decisions. Thanks for speaking up.

If any of you are interested. I created a blog on this story line starting in April.

[URL]www.theunexpectedhobbyist.com[/URL]

Stop by, but no haters please. LOL.[/QUOTE]Are the "Gallery" pics your conquests? If so. Some nice white meat there. LOL.

[QUOTE=BikeRider;2586360]AM is using FUD to limit the damage. My pseudonym and the various fake addresses I used are in the dump as is my profile and burner email.

It is true that they did not store the actual credit card numbers. They did store the IP address, AVS address (postal address), and email address for each transaction. You'd have to use your real address for AVS to pass (if you were using your actual credit card). The fact that the actual numbers aren't there just means nothing. The credit card dump is from March 2008 until the end of June 2015.

What's most interesting is that they also dumped a large number of corporate docs. I haven't looked through these as I've no time. I fully expect Wire / ArsTech to be writing stories if there's anything juicy in them.[/QUOTE]haveibeenpwned.com will let you check your e-mail address for presence in most of the made-public hacked lists (including one of the AFF leaks). I don't think they have added the AM data to it yet.

[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;2586364]Are the "Gallery" pics your conquests? If so. Some nice white meat there. LOL.[/QUOTE]Yes, most of them are conquests. A few of them are on my honey-to-do list for the rest of this year. I have been living the high life. .

[QUOTE=FredMoore;2586315]Fantastic! I'm loving your blog and am going to work my way through. Good job! What is your budget? It seems rather high for me but we can each enjoy what we can afford.[/QUOTE]Thanks Man. That's high praise.

My budget is $2k - $3k / month.

I live in a cheaper market and usually pay $200 per naked date (min 2 hrs) with SBs and $200/ hr for escorting. I also travel out out of the country a bit. Amsterdam and Manila are super cheap.

Seriously, I was planning to let my SA subscription lapse about a week from now when it expires. I am literally logging off to go to bed. Early flight tomorrow. Lo and behold check out what pops into my inbox unsolicited. She loves my profile and would like to get to know me a little. Paula the Columbian nursing student. With an intelligent, witty profile. Oh my. We are having dinner Friday night. I am a rat fucking bastard.

You blog is fucking awesome! Keep it cumming! LOL.

[QUOTE=Helion;2586270]Guys I appreciate the feedback. I actually asked her for a divorce in May and she wants to keep the marriage. She asked me to work through the issues over the summer. We have made some good progress. However some issues remain unresolved. I know I am tossing something good. However, I do not like being underground. Our marriage was built on more than that. I would rather leave and take it on the chin than keep sneaking around for the next 20 years. I am to the point where I want to take a SB away for the weekend, and I'd have to tell the wife, hey honey stay home, it's a business retreat. Don't want to live like that. Rather go our separate ways and try to be friends.

Financially, my risk is limited in a divorce. No kids. No substantial assets and she does not qualify for alimony because she has good job skills and earns equal to me. We live in a no fault divorce state. The biggest pain will be selling our house, splitting any equity, etc.

However all that being said, I think this is good advice you guys are giving. Don't jump the gun, Don't throw a way a good thing and Clear your head of the hot pussy before making any big decisions. Thanks for speaking up.

If any of you are interested. I created a blog on this story line starting in April.

[URL]www.theunexpectedhobbyist.com[/URL]

Stop by, but no haters please. LOL.[/QUOTE]

The blog is cool. But you really need to remove the affiliate marketing ads to make it more legitimate. I could do the same thing on the 5 steps site but I intentionally don't... so as to maintain the integrity of the site. (and I work for every dating site on the net)

In fact it might even be against USASG terms and conditions to post a link to a marketing site of any kind as there is a built in conflict of interest working against USASG's advertisers. You are advertising for free on a site that is in the same vertical as USASG. People in the affiliate marketing world consider that stealing.

I don't think they would be happy if your ads were for Life Insurance, but the fact that they are for a potential USASG advertiser is really crossing the line. Now if you asked their permission and they agreed that's another story. Or if they agreed to reciprocating display ads. Meaning you could convince them that it would be in their best interest if you had links or display ads on your site that linked back to their site. But I don't see that happening either. It's more of a land grab.

Not the most above board move.
And heavily frowned upon in the affiliate and display ad marketing industry.

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So you can remove the ads from your blog or they will most likely delete all your posts and maybe even terminate your membership.

But getting back to pussy. I am getting a ton of it. i did eight different girls so far this month. And still have the virgin camped out in my FC although not for its intended purpose.

I also have a POT on SA that wants to see me for free as she is a bit deviant and maybe a 6 in looks but I give her a 7 as she is only 18. I had one of these before on SA. I did about 10 dates with her. So I told her maybe I would meet her after a skype to really check her out first as she is kinda far away, like 45 minutes away.

My new bi pixie came over today for date number three and it lasted about 4 hours with about half of that going to playtime. The vigin has actually upped my game, just having her here makes the other girls more turned on.

[QUOTE=Helion;2586491]Thanks Man. That's high praise.

My budget is $2k - $3k / month.

I live in a cheaper market and usually pay $200 per naked date (min 2 hrs) with SBs and $200/ hr for escorting. I also travel out out of the country a bit. Amsterdam and Manila are super cheap.[/QUOTE]Really enjoyed the blog. That is a very nice budget to work with.

So you typically pay $400 per escort session? $200 per hour and you usually book 2 hr right?

I met a 20 yr POT last night, we agreed to meet at the FC on the next date. Looking back somethings don't sit right with me.

1. when I went to kiss her, she backed away. This was after we agreed to go to the FC.

2. she said she doesn't like to receive oral.

3. we went back and forth about the amount. I put out a number (2) , she came back high (3. 5) . I tried to accommodate her (by going to 3) and she came back with another counter (3. 25) it felt like I was buying a car.

She can't host so there is another cost on me.

I don't know.

I wouldn't even bother with her after that exchange. It's was a bad sign she backed away when you attempted to kiss her. In addition to that she doesn't like oral and you have to pay for accommodations after the auction like negotiations. My brother walk away from this one. Regroup and find another POT. I've came across females like that in the pass and just avoid them. Send out as many messages as you can to increase your chances of landing something much better.

[QUOTE=Telcova;2587224]I met a 20 yr POT last night, we agreed to meet at the FC on the next date. Looking back somethings don't sit right with me.

1. when I went to kiss her, she backed away. This was after we agreed to go to the FC.

2. she said she doesn't like to receive oral.

3. we went back and forth about the amount. I put out a number (2) , she came back high (3. 5) . I tried to accommodate her (by going to 3) and she came back with another counter (3. 25) it felt like I was buying a car.

She can't host so there is another cost on me.

I don't know.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Telcova;2587224]I met a 20 yr POT last night, we agreed to meet at the FC on the next date. Looking back somethings don't sit right with me.

1. when I went to kiss her, she backed away. This was after we agreed to go to the FC.

2. she said she doesn't like to receive oral.

3. we went back and forth about the amount. I put out a number (2) , she came back high (3. 5) . I tried to accommodate her (by going to 3) and she came back with another counter (3. 25) it felt like I was buying a car.

She can't host so there is another cost on me.

I don't know.[/QUOTE]Run! At best she will be mechanical with lots of rules of engagement. There are lots better and cheaper out there. 3. 5 is high and should be reserved for stellar 10/10 performance.

Since the recent discussion with a member who is strongly considering tossing his marriage for a life of SD-ing, I thought I would check around to see if anyone reading this has done this yet? And if so, would be very curious to hear how long ago, how the decision has worked out for you, anything else you'd like to add about the experience.

To clarify, I am talking about embarking on specifically terminating the marriage as amicably as possible in order to pursue girls they've met on sites like SA, SD4 M, etc. In other words, I'm not counting cases where the wife caught you cheating and "helped" the decision, or Ashley Madison type hookups, or general cases of sex addiction where porn and hookers just got wedged in between the original dream and created an irreparable gap in common interests, or if you were already long divorced before you discovered SB websites. Online trysts and sex addiction divorces are of course nothing new, I'm wondering specifically about cases where an SB talked someone into leaving their wife, or someone that just decided to make a lifelong commitment to the bowl.

Any war stories, tales of ongoing bliss, etc? I'm sure all of us with an SO have considered it at one time.

Update, did not intend to create a new thread here, meant to put it under the main SB thread. Unfortunately I cannot delete, will try to see if Admin can move.

[QUOTE=Telcova;2587224]I met a 20 yr POT last night, we agreed to meet at the FC on the next date. Looking back somethings don't sit right with me.

2. she said she doesn't like to receive oral.

I don't know.[/QUOTE]Not open to receiving oral is a absolute deal killer for me. Thankfully I rarely encounter a woman who doesn't relish oral attention.