"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

Part of her profile ad. (pictured)

"not interested in sexual encounters. ".

But she is. LOL. Accepted my offer of a $ with.

"I am down for that".

So what is that?

A car date in the backseat w a guaranteed HJ. She is far away or I would take her straight to the FC. These car dates always turn into something far more. She is a very cute tiny white girl. First day on the site. I dumped all my leads from anything up to two weeks ago and started over.

Already had one great time and a new SB if I want her. That one will be on a 24 date with me this weekend. The 5 foot 95 lb girl. I promise to take lots of pics for all you little girl lovers. And I reconnected with an old lead. A super submissive AA girl. Right now they either have to be running to me (literally and/or figuratively) or I am just not interested. There are just too many POTS out there to accept anything less.

[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;2578045]Part of her profile ad. (pictured)

"not interested in sexual encounters. ".

But she is. LOL. Accepted my offer of a $ with.

"I am down for that".

So what is that?

A car date in the backseat w a guaranteed HJ. She is far away or I would take her straight to the FC. These car dates always turn into something far more. She is a very cute tiny white girl. First day on the site. I dumped all my leads from anything up to two weeks ago and started over.

Already had one great time and a new SB if I want her. That one will be on a 24 date with me this weekend. The 5 foot 95 lb girl. I promise to take lots of pics for all you little girl lovers. And I reconnected with an old lead. A super submissive AA girl. Right now they either have to be running to me (literally and/or figuratively) or I am just not interested. There are just too many POTS out there to accept anything less.[/QUOTE]I really like her. That's just the way I like them, and count me as liking the "little girl lovers".

I went to my local Walgreens and found Magnum that said large size and others with no indication about the size. Are these the only two sizes from Trojan?

I saw a Magnum XL too but decided to try the Magnum first and move up if necessary!

Why am I looking at condoms now? Because so far I have just used whatever the woman had and most of the time they have been too tight and left me bleeding as the hair got tangled up with the foreskin so decided to take matters into my own "hands".

A funny thing has happened to me twice now. My SB and I were entertaining her GF for a weekend. My GF's friend is a spinner; 22 6'1", slim and pretty face. There's apparently a guy picking her up for dinner. Her friend ask if it's okay to bring her BF up to my condo. The guy comes in and he's obviously much older.

He was probably mid-50's. I instantly recognize its a SD / SB date. After talking to my SB a bit, she spoke about all the trips this guy has taken her friend on and how he's recently gotten her an apartment. I think it's interesting to know what other type of SDs are out there and how liberally they are throwing around cash. The guy and I got along and exchanged business cards. We made no mention of SA or what type of actions he's seeing. I was really curious though.

The other instance that I met another Bro was when a chick double booked us both at the same restaurant. We were wrapping up and a much older dude comes out of nowhere and hugs her like they'd dated before. This guy was probably mid 60's, the girl early 20's. She screwed up royally on the double-booking, but I didn't make a big deal out of it. She wasn't really my type.

Wow. This is pretty cool. Thanks!

[QUOTE=JeezLizard;2577706]See Post #2 of the FAQ thread:

[URL]http://www.usasexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?15100-Sugarbaby-Thread-Highlights-Index-and-FAQ[/URL][/QUOTE]

I just reconnected for the day with my x stripper GF from a year ago. What a difference a year can make. I broke up with her because we didnt have enough sex. And since then she went lez and hooked up with this dyke, her pussy is now broken in.. maybe too much. And she is now a bit freakier and more submissive.

That part was all ok, but then she started drinking and it got out of control. She wants to come back and i thought I wanted her back. But now I am not so sure. I am sure I will see her again. But its a shame what she did to herself.

And what she let this bull dyke do to her. I dont know if I can be back with her now. This is gonna be tough to impossible to fix. And the only solution I can see would be very expensive and possibly a waste of money. Neither scenario is something I am going to be involved in. And its all a shame due to model looks, she could be so much more than the mess I saw. She used to be a 10/10/8/5/ , now she is a 10/10/5/8 I had a great fuck,, but as whst cost?

[QUOTE=PghGuy2005;2578325]I went to my local Walgreens and found Magnum that said large size and others with no indication about the size. Are these the only two sizes from Trojan?

I saw a Magnum XL too but decided to try the Magnum first and move up if necessary!

Why am I looking at condoms now? Because so far I have just used whatever the woman had and most of the time they have been too tight and left me bleeding as the hair got tangled up with the foreskin so decided to take matters into my own "hands".[/QUOTE]Standard Trojans are 52 mm wide, Magnums are 54 and Mag XL is 56 mm. A small condom brand like Kimono is 48 mm. There are plenty of condom size charts online.

I always bring my own when I play. Before I started doing that, I had them break, come off or too tight feeling with what the escorts were providing.

Lots of choices with tapered vs straight as well. The ultra thin ones work better for me as I near 60. The little guy isn't as sensitive as he use to be. .

[QUOTE=ToeLover57;2578686]Standard Trojans are 52 mm wide, Magnums are 54 and Mag XL is 56 mm. A small condom brand like Kimono is 48 mm. There are plenty of condom size charts online.

I always bring my own when I play. Before I started doing that, I had them break, come off or too tight feeling with what the escorts were providing.

Lots of choices with tapered vs straight as well. The ultra thin ones work better for me as I near 60. The little guy isn't as sensitive as he use to be. .[/QUOTE]Sizing tip I saw on a condom site. Take an empty toilet paper roll. Slide your dick into it erect. If it it is loose you are small = 35% of men. If it is a good fit you are average =50% Get normal size condoms. If it doesn't fit you are large to XL.

[QUOTE=FredMoore;2578875]Sizing tip I saw on a condom site. Take an empty toilet paper roll. Slide your dick into it erect. If it it is loose you are small = 35% of men. If it is a good fit you are average =50% Get normal size condoms. If it doesn't fit you are large to XL.[/QUOTE]Sir Richard is the "only" larger condom I have been able to find. Forget magnum if you want a truly comfortable fit. Try Kimono brand ultra thin if you want the Magnum size but with more sensitivity. I just tried everything out there recently due to an STD scare. Those are my findings. And be safe. I am sticking closer than ever to my regs due to recent health concerns (the std scare and my bad foot). And I am keeping some condoms bedside in case I decide to try a random sketchy girl again. The only downside is all the uber's. But at least I got them all coming to me now. As I have no other choice anyway. Driving still is rather difficult beyond a mile or two.

Side note. My Virgin (yes she is still here) has seen me fuck 5 different girls in the last 5 days. The one last nite ( my x ) offered to eat her pussy with no reciprocation. She just giggled and then went out so we could be alone.

I haven't seen my little church girl in 2 months. Today I asked her to be exclusive to me and she said she could do that but wanted to know if she could still date young guys. "Because you know young guys are so impressionable and will spend $$ on a meal for a girl they barely know. lol. They can be so stupid sometimes".

The morning call with my stripper x who is now back went well. She wants to be a dirty liitle sl*t for her daddy. And I make her GF look so fucking bad. She tried to sabotage our date last nite by starting up some shit on the phone, lucky for me the FC part of the date was over, as she did get my x very upset. That girl pushed her right into my loving arms.

Hard to give this up. Ya know what I mean?

[URL]http://www.usasexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?6028-Photography-getting-her-to-pose&p=2579110[/URL]#post2579110.

Me and my x re-united.

[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;2579048]Sir Richard is the "only" larger condom I have been able to find. Forget magnum if you want a truly comfortable fit. Try Kimono brand ultra thin if you want the Magnum size but with more sensitivity. I just tried everything out there recently due to an STD scare. Those are my findings. And be safe. I am sticking closer than ever to my regs due to recent health concerns (the std scare and my bad foot). And I am keeping some condoms bedside in case I decide to try a random sketchy girl again. The only downside is all the uber's. But at least I got them all coming to me now. As I have no other choice anyway. Driving still is rather difficult beyond a mile or two.

Side note. My Virgin (yes she is still here) has seen me fuck 5 different girls in the last 5 days. The one last nite ( my x ) offered to eat her pussy with no reciprocation. She just giggled and then went out so we could be alone.

I haven't seen my little church girl in 2 months. Today I asked her to be exclusive to me and she said she could do that but wanted to know if she could still date young guys. "Because you know young guys are so impressionable and will spend $$ on a meal for a girl they barely know. lol. They can be so stupid sometimes".

The morning call with my stripper x who is now back went well. She wants to be a dirty liitle sl*t for her daddy. And I make her GF look so fucking bad. She tried to sabotage our date last nite by starting up some shit on the phone, lucky for me the FC part of the date was over, as she did get my x very upset. That girl pushed her right into my loving arms.[/QUOTE]Trojan Magnum Bareskin is the only condom I can use and still cum. I'm only packing 6. 5 x 5, but every other regular condom is too snug and too thick. I'm not sure if they make the Bareskin version in regular size condoms, but they're the best I've tried as far as sensitivity goes. Durex brand is the worst from my experience.

[QUOTE=DogSun;2579274]Trojan Magnum Bareskin is the only condom I can use and still cum. I'm only packing 6. 5 x 5, but every other regular condom is too snug and too thick. I'm not sure if they make the Bareskin version in regular size condoms, but they're the best I've tried as far as sensitivity goes. Durex brand is the worst from my experience.[/QUOTE]Is the bareskin made of latex?

Because if not, then it will protect from pregnancy, but not STD's.

[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;2579352]Is the bareskin made of latex?

Because if not, then it will protect from pregnancy, but not STD's.[/QUOTE]Yes it's latex. The only thing I don't like about them, is that they are probably the worst smelling condoms I've ever encountered. It must be the lubricant.

[QUOTE=DogSun;2579725]Yes it's latex. The only thing I don't like about them, is that they are probably the worst smelling condoms I've ever encountered. It must be the lubricant.[/QUOTE]Thats not good. I found that my girls didn't want to suck a condom, until it had already been in their pussy first. Due to the taste. So i got flavored ones, but they were all in the smaller sizes for some reason.

[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;2579749]Thats not good. I found that my girls didn't want to suck a condom, until it had already been in their pussy first. Due to the taste. So i got flavored ones, but they were all in the smaller sizes for some reason.[/QUOTE]Yeah, and flavored ones tend to be thicker. Are you using condoms for BJ's too? This STD scare must have really go to you!

[QUOTE=DogSun;2579758]Yeah, and flavored ones tend to be thicker. Are you using condoms for BJ's too? This STD scare must have really go to you![/QUOTE]I was only scared as I had to wait for the tests. So during the test waiting period (like 3 months) I used condoms only. Until everyone was all clear. Now I am back to bare.

Which me and my regulars are all negative.

Six girls in six days. Sounds like the tag line to a bad movie. But tonites girl was fun.
A spinner lovers paradise. 5' 4" maybe 105 at most (didn't weigh her yet). Very sharp.

This was date number two and there will be a third. We are not an easy match mentally. But she worked at it to make make me happy. She knows her outgoing personality is a little overwhelming. This is not the shy submissive little girl type I usually date.

Curious to know how much sex helps in the SB relationship. I'm looking at things from her perspective now and she has most of her bills paid, a great place to live and we're an "exclusive" live in couple now.

We recently started barebacking and it's been pretty intense. I haven't barebacked and several years. I was surprised how much stamina I have raw. Our sessions are always around the 2 hour mark sans condom. Does good bareback sex increase the bond in the relationship? I remember a member here saying that these girls want to be f at &ked and taken care of? It looks like I'm doing just that. Any other pointers for spoiling your SB even more? I don't care to increase monetarily, but spoiling in other ways.

[QUOTE=HoyaSvnFgr;2580011]Curious to know how much sex helps in the SB relationship. I'm looking at things from her perspective now and she has most of her bills paid, a great place to live and we're an "exclusive" live in couple now.

We recently started barebacking and it's been pretty intense. I haven't barebacked and several years. I was surprised how much stamina I have raw. Our sessions are always around the 2 hour mark sans condom. Does good bareback sex increase the bond in the relationship? I remember a member here saying that these girls want to be f at &ked and taken care of? It looks like I'm doing just that. Any other pointers for spoiling your SB even more? I don't care to increase monetarily, but spoiling in other ways.[/QUOTE]I always last longer in bareback, as the condom annoyance always makes me want to end it sooner than usual. But as I said earlier, my carefree days are done if there is no std check, or convinces me she has gone a long time with no sex. Otherwise condoms are a part of my arsenal now.

My rejection of condoms is relentless. I just hate them to the point that I'd rather not waste time pursuing sex if it has to be wrapped up in a numbing layer. To me it's like eating filet mignon while wearing a mouth guard -- a pointless activity. I do admit that having a live in girlfriend makes it easier to take that attitude, but even when she wasn't with me and I was fully free-agent, I just wouldn't do it.

I remember once going home with a hottie I met in the parking lot of some nightclub after last call. At her place we start going at it on the couch, and after some oral fun she tells me it's got to be condomized from here on out. I said sorry sweetie not with me it won't be and fell asleep on her couch, no happy ending that night. LOL. That's how bad I hate the things. And yes she was cordial the next morning but we didn't speak after that.

Honestly though I'd say that's the only truly missed opportunity I've ever encountered as a result of my refusal to wrap. To be fair though, I do pick and choose pussy with much more discretion than maybe someone without an aversion to condoms. It's one reason escorts or UTR girls aren't appealing to me. Can't stand the thought of going bareback with junkie or pro. Even when I go hunting for strippers, I have to see signs that she is highly selective before I'm interested. If they approach me early on and put out vibes that they are available for takeout, I'm not interested. I'd rather work a bit and get cleaner pussy, even if less of it -- I'd rather give the ones reason to consider it that hadn't yet made up their mind they were ready to take the plunge.

I'm sure I would probably have more fun if I didn't hate condoms, but it's the way it is for me. Would I feel differently if it were the only way I could get laid? It's hard to say -- I have too much of a sense of BTDT throughout my sexual history to even be able to relate to the notion of sexual desperation. When I'm not in a relationship I do have a little more sense of urgency, simply from not knowing who my next conquest will be, but usually even when I was alone I always had a network of fuck buddies or booty calls that would be willing on short notice.

When I was younger I used to think to myself "enjoy fucking this 22 year old now, because in 25 more years you won't be able to". Needless to say I wasn't exactly Nostrdamous in my youth -- who knew we would have SD websites that are kind of like pussy in a vending machine.

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Female 2.

When I first made contact with her, she did not know exactly what she wanted. She was employed and had her own apartment. She mentioned that finances wasn't her number priority. She wanted to maintain her independence. She went on dates previously with other men but decided against it, because of connection issues. In conversation she mentioned that she had been offered money outright and declined. So I proposed that maybe, it's possible for her to maintain her independence by just having a guy around her to treat her to nice things like maybe a massages and sending her random things to surprise her, to which she agreed. This one took a lot of conversation back and forth. I had to graduate from talking via SA, then to email and eventually she provided her phone number. I informed her about my upcoming trip, we agreed that we would go on a date. I met her on her job and we went to a restaurant. Nothing happened initially, she's pretty talkative if you ask me. So she basically talked the entire but I didn't mind because conversation is one of my stronger points. And I really try to use this to my advantage to connect with them and make them feel comfortable. The majority of women I meet talked about how many of the men on the site didn't engage them in conversation or even try to get to know them.

After lunch I left and we agreed to meet again before the end of my trip. I rarely initiate the conversation about sex directly. I usually use subliminal talk. I don't know it just same to work for me. In conversation I usually try this trick and it works for me the majority of the time over the phone. I just told her that I was taking off my clothes to go in the shower that I will contact her later. That lead to her talking about imagining me naked. The discussion headed sex and she mention that she never had a guy went down on her before and she hadn't much experience. A 20 year old female, I didn't believe her until we actually did the deed. She was of the tightest girls that I had had sex with before. She was smiling ear to ear during our break in between the FC session. She started asking me if I could try more new things we her because I did things to her that she never experience before. According to the only position she had done before was on the back and from behind. We went at it again and she enjoyed it. A few things caught my attention with her: 1) In between the session I got some water, it was two bottles of water in the room. I brought all two inside the room and asked her, if she wanted one she replied yes, so I just casually throwed it on the bed. While I was drinking the other bottle. She insisted that I pick it up and handed to her, she wanted to be treated like a princess. 2) The princess talk came up again later about opening the car door for her and things like that. Honestly I will not pretend like I actually do those things normally, So I couldn't guarantee her that I could actually do that regularly. 3) During from drive home she steered at me glowing and smiling the entire time. When it was time for her leave the vehicle to go inside the apartment. We kissed and hugged inside the car, she out and came back around to the driver side again and I had to come out this time and give her another hug. In total it cost me the room, which I booked through the hotel*tonight*app and Chipotle. That's where she wanted to go before we headed to the FC.

Female 3: We met at a local restaurant for breakfast nothing happened with her. She wanted to meet up again but the time she was available I couldn't meet up due to her working schedule. I wasn't disappointed because I felt she would have cost a lot more money in the long run.

Female 4: This was the one I actually wanted to meet the most during my trip. It took three times in order for me to nailed her down to a meet and greet. I had schedule it in advance before my trip but she wasn't able to meet at the time initially. After the second time she couldn't make it again, so I had practically given up on her. Then about two days before I was schedule to leave she messaged me asking to meet but she could only meet for a limited about of time. An hour to be exact, I took her up on her offer. She actually showed up and since time was limited she just ordered and appetizer and we talk and right around an hour she had to leave. I walked her to her car and she give me a regular guy. After the hug I told her that all, that's the type of hug you are going to give me. She responded with a deep long hug and kiss on the lips. I'm thinking there's hope with this one for an upcoming trip at the end of the month.

Female 5: She wanted to meet but our conversation was limited to brief talk via text and a five minute conversation via the phone. She wasn't a priority because of this I find that I have more luck with the females I talked to regularly than she scheduling random meet ups. I double book a meet up with her and female number 4. I basically told her I would call her around the same time I was schedule to meet female number 4. She showed up this time, so I had to cancel with number five. We had a brief conversation about meeting up during my next trip. She still interested.

That's it that's my report from my July trip. I am in the process of lining up some females for my upcoming trip at the end of the month. My schedule will be really tight this time around so I may just go with the guarantees. I am hoping to connect with Female 1, 2 and 4 but with only two days in town before I move on to a next city. I don't know if it's possible because none of these females same to grasp the concept of time and being punctual. The majority of the females I hope to meet will be in the second city, which I be in for a longer than two days. So we will see how it goes.

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Special thanks to TravelingSD for providing me with a few pointers in a previous post. I would like to thank everybody for posting the reports and I encourage the lurkers to come forth and post also. I learn a lot by just reading the reports and look forward to seeing more. Hollywood, Jeez, Fred and everyone who continue to post. Writing isn't my strongest point but I will continue in the hopes that I may add something or speak a conversation that will help someone else the way other posters have done.

It's a couple years old, but still a good read for the entertainment value if nothing else.

[URL]http://observer.com/2013/03/the-hebrew-hammer/[/URL]

Friday night is always the toughest night to get a date when you are a single SD. And after 6 girls in 6 days I can use a rest, sort of. So today I was pretty harsh with every girl on the site I chatted up. Just seeing how direct I could be and what would happen. So far they have all gone away except one MILF that I haven't finished with. I basically told her I just wanted to use (and possibly abuse) her for sex, and sex only.

Too bad I messed things up with my virgin as we are all alone tonite.
And for some reason she decided not to go out either.

[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;2580937]Friday night is always the toughest night to get a date when you are a single SD. [/QUOTE]In my civy dating days, I always looked forward to Fri / Sat night for bar hopping, but there were times I found myself forced to stay home -- maybe I needed to go into work early on a Saturday or was just sick or something, but for whatever reason found myself stuck on a Friday night. Then I was stuck in this "WTF do I do without a date?" mode.

What I found is that if I got involved in real-time interaction, I would almost end up finding some girl who was bored because she got in an argument with someone, or some divorced single mom who was staying home with the kids, or something like that. Sure, the regular SB crew is all out spending the money they've made with their real boyfriends and other friends, but there will also be a certain number of them that just got in an argument with their boyfriend or have some other reason for being online and alone and looking for something different to do (that's the key, the shakeup to their routine). A couple of times it even resulted in very last-minute hookups for me that went from chatroom to an in-person M&G in only a couple of hours.

I don't have any specific suggestions for where to hang out, because the scene has changed a lot since I used to do that. We used to have yahoo and aol chatrooms, many of the dating sites had "insta-chat" features where you could hit people up in bulk. Nowdays people use Tinder and apps like that I think? The real key is just being able to see who is online and being able to hit them up quickly -- taking advantage of the spontaneity and the fact that nobody likes to be home bored on Fri night. I bet in a densely populated area like L. A. You could get into all kind of trouble, or at a very minimum use Friday nights as a "new talent scout night" to prowl the civy dating sites for SBs who don't know they are SBs yet.

[QUOTE=DogSun;2580500]It's a couple years old, but still a good read for the entertainment value if nothing else.

[URL]http://observer.com/2013/03/the-hebrew-hammer/[/URL][/QUOTE]Thanks for posting. It is indeed an enjoyable read.

If you are a single guy, with free time, and some game; the number of pussies out there are endless. There are many pussies that I have missed because I simply do not have the time to go pick them up, bring them home and fuck them, then drive them back.

You don't have to pretend to be a millionaire to get pussies. An average working guy would do just as well, if he has some talents. Most times, all it need is a nice dinner, paying her cell phone bill or car insurance, or buying her some nice things here and there. Of course, there are those GPS out there as well where you might need to up your ante a bit.

[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;2580937]Friday night is always the toughest night to get a date when you are a single SD. And after 6 girls in 6 days I can use a rest, sort of. So today I was pretty harsh with every girl on the site I chatted up. Just seeing how direct I could be and what would happen. So far they have all gone away except one MILF that I haven't finished with. I basically told her I just wanted to use (and possibly abuse) her for sex, and sex only.

Too bad I messed things up with my virgin as we are all alone tonite.
And for some reason she decided not to go out either.[/QUOTE]Some girl I did an M&G with in the past txted me about 10 pm that she was bored and could she come over. So we just hung out and talked for a few hours and then she was on her way. I gave her a twenty to be nice. She said she wants me to go to the beach with her on our next date. So I finally did get a night off and tonite I see my ATF anyway.

She said she wasn't into the whole sex for money thing and that she had to really like the guy first. I did end up getting aroused from the massage I gave her. But it was a no go this time around. Maybe next time.

[QUOTE=Smokarz_XO;2581263]
You don't have to pretend to be a millionaire to get pussies. An average working guy would do just as well, if he has some talents. Most times, all it need is a nice dinner, paying her cell phone bill or car insurance, or buying her some nice things here and there. Of course, there are those GPS out there as well where you might need to up your ante a bit.[/QUOTE]I agree with this. Of the observations I've made about women over the years some are obvious and some not as much. Pretty much all women are attracted to success and financial stability, however how you got there matters more than "how much". In other words if a guy is a trust fund baby that just inherited money but never learned to do anything useful, he'll be able to get hoes that are happy to use him for a payday but he won't get the good sex of a hot SB who is truly attracted to him.

The women who are worth dating like to see some level of ambition or resourcefulness -- something that indicates intelligence / drive / passion -- its an indication of good seed. A good example is that rich kid in Santa Barbara who was a son of a Hollywood director that shot up some people because he couldn't get a date. Money alone can buy hookers but not much else.

The guy in the article is getting most of the pussy because he is a med school student and can confirm it. That kind of thing in itself is a pussy magnet for a 30 year old. The lie about the nest egg is icing on the cake but not the reason for his game. Being a card carrying med student in NYC is an all day every pass to infinite poon.

[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;2578045]Part of her profile ad. (pictured)

"not interested in sexual encounters. ".

But she is. LOL. Accepted my offer of a $ with.

"I am down for that".

So what is that?

A car date in the backseat w a guaranteed HJ. She is far away or I would take her straight to the FC. These car dates always turn into something far more. She is a very cute tiny white girl. First day on the site. I dumped all my leads from anything up to two weeks ago and started over.

Already had one great time and a new SB if I want her. That one will be on a 24 date with me this weekend. The 5 foot 95 lb girl. I promise to take lots of pics for all you little girl lovers. And I reconnected with an old lead. A super submissive AA girl. Right now they either have to be running to me (literally and/or figuratively) or I am just not interested. There are just too many POTS out there to accept anything less.[/QUOTE]Now she is a beautiful prostitute. Bravo!

I'm curious for those who dabble in the bowl regularly, what percentage of your SBs will continue to hang around even when there's no sugar?

There's an old saying that if you want to find out who your friends are, stop doing favors for people -- the ones that stick around are your real friends, everyone else will flee as soon as they are no longer beneficiaries (I. E. "what can you do for me" syndrome) . It's a good way to take inventory of who is worth keeping in your life and who to dump.

I don't know how this philosophy works out with SBs, because I don't stay in the company with one long enough to find out. My SD vacations are few and far enough between that I never get the chance to find out. Civy dating is different, because most of the time the girl is looking for "the full package", not just sex or money but someone to lean on emotionally and spend time with or whatever.

I guess it's not completely reasonable to expect an SB to stick around if she's not receiving sugar (or some other benefit like a place to live), and I wouldn't expect it.

I'm just curious how often it occurs that an SB wants to hang out just because she enjoys being with you, without expectation of earnings or lifestyle upgrades. Or are they all just digging for gold?

[QUOTE=JeezLizard;2581533]I'm curious for those who dabble in the bowl regularly, what percentage of your SBs will continue to hang around even when there's no sugar?

There's an old saying that if you want to find out who your friends are, stop doing favors for people -- the ones that stick around are your real friends, everyone else will flee as soon as they are no longer beneficiaries (I. E. "what can you do for me" syndrome) . It's a good way to take inventory of who is worth keeping in your life and who to dump.

I don't know how this philosophy works out with SBs, because I don't stay in the company with one long enough to find out. My SD vacations are few and far enough between that I never get the chance to find out. Civy dating is different, because most of the time the girl is looking for "the full package", not just sex or money but someone to lean on emotionally and spend time with or whatever.

I guess it's not completely reasonable to expect an SB to stick around if she's not receiving sugar (or some other benefit like a place to live), and I wouldn't expect it.

I'm just curious how often it occurs that an SB wants to hang out just because she enjoys being with you, without expectation of earnings or lifestyle upgrades. Or are they all just digging for gold?[/QUOTE]An SB that sticks around with no sugar is a doormat, has some kind of sexual deviancy, mental illness or is just an idiot or a homeless girl.

[QUOTE=JeezLizard;2581533]I'm curious for those who dabble in the bowl regularly, what percentage of your SBs will continue to hang around even when there's no sugar?

There's an old saying that if you want to find out who your friends are, stop doing favors for people -- the ones that stick around are your real friends, everyone else will flee as soon as they are no longer beneficiaries (I. E. "what can you do for me" syndrome) . It's a good way to take inventory of who is worth keeping in your life and who to dump.

I don't know how this philosophy works out with SBs, because I don't stay in the company with one long enough to find out. My SD vacations are few and far enough between that I never get the chance to find out. Civy dating is different, because most of the time the girl is looking for "the full package", not just sex or money but someone to lean on emotionally and spend time with or whatever.

I guess it's not completely reasonable to expect an SB to stick around if she's not receiving sugar (or some other benefit like a place to live), and I wouldn't expect it.

I'm just curious how often it occurs that an SB wants to hang out just because she enjoys being with you, without expectation of earnings or lifestyle upgrades. Or are they all just digging for gold?[/QUOTE]I have 3 in my stable right now, and I've had maybe 4-5 in the past that I saw on a regular basis. When I needed a few weeks away from a sb, or just wasn't able to spend the money for whatever reason, I'd use a tactic of telling my sb's that money is going to be tight for the next month and we won't be able to see each other for a little while. Every time I've used this, every one of them has said that we can still see each other and that they're with me because they enjoy my company not because of the money. Now would this still be the case if I told them that I would have to permanently cut them off? Hard to say definitively, but I'm confident that with the 3 I have now, the answer would still be yes. The problem with not paying sb's is that there's a good chance they will start expecting more of an investment from you in other ways, and I would prefer not to go down that road. I've actually had to switch tactics because of this. Instead of telling them money is tight, now I have to tell them that I'm going out of town for business.

[QUOTE=DogSun;2581583]I have 3 in my stable right now, and I've had maybe 4-5 in the past that I saw on a regular basis. When I needed a few weeks away from a sb, or just wasn't able to spend the money for whatever reason, I'd use a tactic of telling my sb's that money is going to be tight for the next month and we won't be able to see each other for a little while. Every time I've used this, every one of them has said that we can still see each other and that they're with me because they enjoy my company not because of the money. Now would this still be the case if I told them that I would have to permanently cut them off? Hard to say definitively, but I'm confident that with the 3 I have now, the answer would still be yes. The problem with not paying sb's is that there's a good chance they will start expecting more of an investment from you in other ways, and I would prefer not to go down that road. I've actually had to switch tactics because of this. Instead of telling them money is tight, now I have to tell them that I'm going out of town for business.[/QUOTE]So they are idiots. No offence but I have no respect for girls that are not looking to better themselves. And like you said these girls are totally lame. So if they can't get some sugar they are going to want something else even more dear to you.

[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;2581600]So they are idiots. No offence but I have no respect for girls that are not looking to better themselves. And like you said these girls are totally lame. So if they can't get some sugar they are going to want something else even more dear to you.[/QUOTE]I don't know HWG. There have been members here reporting SBs falling in love with them. Things there in L. A. , and the methods you use, may not apply to everyone all the time.

The closest anecdote I could provide is a nice single mom I met on SA once in preparation for a trip. She had a very good career, was very intelligent, cute face and great body. Unlike some of the SBs we discuss here she wanted to know things about me like the type of books I read. She sent me pics (non-nude) of her with her family, her parents, etc. She had been in a "relationship" as she called it with a long-term SD, and according to her was faithful but he cut it off to focus on his marriage so she was looking for a replacement. She said he would gift her each weekend but that payment wasn't her motivation, and encouraged me "not to make it about money" as she put it.

So when the time came for me to visit her town, I had every intention of meeting her. The first couple of nights I was in town, I ended up hooking up with others who were simply higher on my priority list than her (I didn't tell her she was on a list of contingency girls or a fallback plan, but I did tell her when my availability had changed and I was honest with her that I had met someone else). Well before long she is begging me to let her just stop by my hotel for a quick fuck, in fact she wanted to swing by right before I checked out the next morning for a quickee. As she put it, she just wanted to fuck me because it had been a few months since she had sex and all the conversations with me had gotten her horny -- no sugar or anything like that required just a straight up fuck. I ended up not doing it because like I said I had all my needs met that trip, but my point is that some girls embark on being an SB even when it's not about the money. I can assure you if you talked to her for any length of time you would agree she is as sane as any other female out there (actually more than most), and certainly not lame or desperate. I am 100% certain I could date her without any sugar involved even if I met her on the SA site. A sexual deviant? No, she was a little on the horny side but no more so than any other young professional who is busy with a real job and raising a kid and not able to date as much as she otherwise would be able to, and I like women with strong sex drives.

[QUOTE=DogSun;2581583]I have 3 in my stable right now, and I've had maybe 4-5 in the past that I saw on a regular basis. When I needed a few weeks away from a sb, or just wasn't able to spend the money for whatever reason, I'd use a tactic of telling my sb's that money is going to be tight for the next month and we won't be able to see each other for a little while. Every time I've used this, every one of them has said that we can still see each other and that they're with me because they enjoy my company not because of the money. Now would this still be the case if I told them that I would have to permanently cut them off? Hard to say definitively, but I'm confident that with the 3 I have now, the answer would still be yes. The problem with not paying sb's is that there's a good chance they will start expecting more of an investment from you in other ways, and I would prefer not to go down that road. I've actually had to switch tactics because of this. Instead of telling them money is tight, now I have to tell them that I'm going out of town for business.[/QUOTE]I think those sound more like real SBs. Perhaps that attitude versus pay-per-play is really the defining line between a true SB and a UTR / pro girl.

A lot of times the "traditional" SB becomes more of a live-in fixture, but even then one could argue they are benefitting from a lifestyle (free rent if nothing else) they wouldn't otherwise have. I'd still call it fair play in the realm of "true SB behavior" though.

[QUOTE=JeezLizard;2581616]I don't know HWG. There have been members here reporting SBs falling in love with them. Things there in L. A. , and the methods you use, may not apply to everyone all the time.

The closest anecdote I could provide is a nice single mom I met on SA once in preparation for a trip. She had a very good career, was very intelligent, cute face and great body. Unlike some of the SBs we discuss here she wanted to know things about me like the type of books I read. She sent me pics (non-nude) of her with her family, her parents, etc. She had been in a "relationship" as she called it with a long-term SD, and according to her was faithful but he cut it off to focus on his marriage so she was looking for a replacement. She said he would gift her each weekend but that payment wasn't her motivation, and encouraged me "not to make it about money" as she put it.

So when the time came for me to visit her town, I had every intention of meeting her. The first couple of nights I was in town, I ended up hooking up with others who were simply higher on my priority list than her (I didn't tell her she was on a list of contingency girls or a fallback plan, but I did tell her when my availability had changed and I was honest with her that I had met someone else). Well before long she is begging me to let her just stop by my hotel for a quick fuck, in fact she wanted to swing by right before I checked out the next morning for a quickee. As she put it, she just wanted to fuck me because it had been a few months since she had sex and all the conversations with me had gotten her horny -- no sugar or anything like that required just a straight up fuck. I ended up not doing it because like I said I had all my needs met that trip, but my point is that some girls embark on being an SB even when it's not about the money. I can assure you if you talked to her for any length of time you would agree she is as sane as any other female out there (actually more than most), and certainly not lame or desperate. I am 100% certain I could date her without any sugar involved even if I met her on the SA site. A sexual deviant? No, she was a little on the horny side but no more so than any other young professional who is busy with a real job and raising a kid and not able to date as much as she otherwise would be able to, and I like women with strong sex drives.[/QUOTE]Well its like they say "there is L.A. and N.Y." and then the whole rest of the country. People move here to get ahead in no uncertain terms, if that's not your attitude then you are just a slacker. And then going to be stuck in the hood or some very far away suburb. When a 2 BR apt is 3k a month you have to be motivated. I actually rarely date girls from Hollywood, DTLA, or the west side for that very reason. Because we both know that my $ donation isn't going to cut it. Like my ATF posted on her FB. Young guys call it tricking, mature men call it providing. I will never date a girl that isnt motivated to want more. More $, more respect, more opportunity.

If they want to go all wifey then maybe they have a bigger and far more expensive plan for you. But its all relative to the age, location, etc. just bored and posting as usual.

[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;2581850]Well its like they say "there is L.A. and N.Y." and then the whole rest of the country. People move here to get ahead in no uncertain terms, if that's not your attitude then you are just a slacker. And then going to be stuck in the hood or some very far away suburb. When a 2 BR apt is 3k a month you have to be motivated. I actually rarely date girls from Hollywood, DTLA, or the west side for that very reason. Because we both know that my $ donation isn't going to cut it. Like my ATF posted on her FB. Young guys call it tricking, mature men call it providing. I will never date a girl that isnt motivated to want more. More $, more respect, more opportunity.

If they want to go all wifey then maybe they have a bigger and far more expensive plan for you. But its all relative to the age, location, etc. just bored and posting as usual.[/QUOTE]LA, NYC, Miami and Vegas are the four spots I regard as different than the rest of the USA. It takes a certain kind of woman to intentionally move to any of those spots for sure, and I'm sure in most cases any one of them that does has already considered cost of living and what they might need to do to overcome it.

[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;2581600]So they are idiots. No offence but I have no respect for girls that are not looking to better themselves. And like you said these girls are totally lame. So if they can't get some sugar they are going to want something else even more dear to you.[/QUOTE]Not idiots, just young. And like you, I'm around the 100 donation point with these girls which isn't going to make or break them. Meaning if they're going to be with me, it's going to be for more than just money. This is where having game and looking half-way decent comes into play. With all of them, we initially had a M&G before discussing money. Once I had the chance to meet them and charm them, they were much more accepting of my 100 offer. One of these girls has another sd who buys her expensive shit all the time and gives her 300 each visit. I've seen the gifts he bought her, so that's legit, but she could be lying about the donation aspect. Who knows. She claimed that he was trying to get some for free at one point, and she turned him down. Again, she could be lying but it doesn't matter. Sometimes, young girls just enjoy the company (sexual and otherwise) of a more mature man. But you know this already.

[QUOTE=DogSun;2582000]Not idiots, just young. And like you, I'm around the 100 donation point with these girls which isn't going to make or break them. Meaning if they're going to be with me, it's going to be for more than just money. This is where having game and looking half-way decent comes into play. With all of them, we initially had a M&G before discussing money. Once I had the chance to meet them and charm them, they were much more accepting of my 100 offer. One of these girls has another sd who buys her expensive shit all the time and gives her 300 each visit. I've seen the gifts he bought her, so that's legit, but she could be lying about the donation aspect. Who knows. She claimed that he was trying to get some for free at one point, and she turned him down. Again, she could be lying but it doesn't matter. Sometimes, young girls just enjoy the company (sexual and otherwise) of a more mature man. But you know this already.[/QUOTE]I am in the process of trying to get back with my x and she told me she has a sugar daddy that is paying $$ to $$$$$ for business trips locally and around the country. And he is not allowed to lay a hand on her. I know this is a fact and not her bs-ing me as I would never have known without her telling me. So it can go both ways for sure.

But she is a stripper and knows how to work a guy. Still she wanted to know what my offer would be going forward. And its the usual. I may also set her up to cam in my house to help reduce my costs. But I am going to keep her at a $. Last go around it was at $$, but her earning potential was much lower then. Now she cams, strips and has a lame daddy. So she is working with me to keep my costs down. But free. Not going to happen.

She has a GF that I am sure she spends on. No problem. This will be an interesting adventure as we are in love. We had sex for the first time in a year a couple of days ago. I am on a hot streak for getting pussy (8 different girls in 8 days, with only one refusing me) , but pretty cold in the romance dept. since we broke up. And it can get lonely.

[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;2582007]I am in the process of trying to get back with my x and she told me she has a sugar daddy that is paying $$ to $$$$$ for business trips locally and around the country. And he is not allowed to lay a hand on her. I know this is a fact and not her bs-ing me as I would never have known without her telling me. So it can go both ways for sure.

But she is a stripper and knows how to work a guy. Still she wanted to know what my offer would be going forward. And its the usual. I may also set her up to cam in my house to help reduce my costs. But I am going to keep her at a $. Last go around it was at $$, but her earning potential was much lower then. Now she cams, strips and has a lame daddy. So she is working with me to keep my costs down. But free. Not going to happen.

She has a GF that I am sure she spends on. No problem. This will be an interesting adventure as we are in love. We had sex for the first time in a year a couple of days ago. I am on a hot streak for getting pussy (8 different girls in 8 days, with only one refusing me) , but pretty cold in the romance dept. since we broke up. And it can get lonely.[/QUOTE]She looks good. I'm working on adding an AA stripper to my stable at the moment also. We'll see what happens. My situation has changed in the past 4 months. When I originally got into the whole sugar daddy thing, I was in a relationship, and due to certain circumstances I needed to get some on the side. Meeting sugar babies was much more attractive to me then going the escort route, and this worked in my favor, because as I mentioned in my last post, some of these girls can be swayed with game / looks and it's not just about money like it would be with a girl from BP or Eros. However, I'm single now and have started "regular" dating again in addition to my current stable. But I've noticed a disturbing trend. Sex with an sb is tremendously hotter to me than sex with a civy. And in all honesty, a couple of the civy's I hooked up with were better looking than my current sb's and their performance was on par with them. It's almost like banging sb's has become a fetish for me. The fact that I'm turning these "regular girls" into my own private prostitute is a huge turn-on for me. Where as with the civy girls, it's just plain old sex. It's almost like I'm getting hooked on the deviant nature of an arrangement.

[QUOTE=DogSun;2582027]She looks good. I'm working on adding an AA stripper to my stable at the moment also. We'll see what happens. My situation has changed in the past 4 months. When I originally got into the whole sugar daddy thing, I was in a relationship, and due to certain circumstances I needed to get some on the side. Meeting sugar babies was much more attractive to me then going the escort route, and this worked in my favor, because as I mentioned in my last post, some of these girls can be swayed with game / looks and it's not just about money like it would be with a girl from BP or Eros. However, I'm single now and have started "regular" dating again in addition to my current stable. But I've noticed a disturbing trend. Sex with an sb is tremendously hotter to me than sex with a civy. And in all honesty, a couple of the civy's I hooked up with were better looking than my current sb's and their performance was on par with them. It's almost like banging sb's has become a fetish for me. The fact that I'm turning these "regular girls" into my own private prostitute is a huge turn-on for me. Where as with the civy girls, it's just plain old sex. It's almost like I'm getting hooked on the deviant nature of an arrangement.[/QUOTE]I have had one civvy experience in the last 8 years. A hot but older Chinese professor at a local college whose hubby was a way for a few weeks. The sex was only interesting as we managed to do one thing she loved that her hubby wasnt even aware that she craved. And she never told him she liked it. But was it hot? We had our moments. But the amount of effort to get her to the FC was a lot. And the overall dynamic didnt really appeal to me. I like the control of being an SD. And I had virtually no control over her. Hard to get that in the civvy world. And I am a hermit. So its hard for me to hit up girls (as I never see any, lol). And when I do they seem to always turn me down. So why bother when there is a tsunami of eager hot pussy online?

Also I got a promotion of sorts at work so the stress of staying on a limited budget is slowly melting away. Even when I could not afford my hobby I stayed in the game figuring the economy would start to rise. My income is directly tied to consumer spending, so the recession really hurt me. But maybe trump is getting people motivated. I dont really care what the reason is but I am looking forward to increasing my ability to date the better looking girls. So far I still havent been persuaded to up the ante per date. But I always bonus my regulars. So the $ is really $.4 overall. This year i saved just by dating less, but my per date average has held steady for almost 2 years now. But nothing like the old days when I spent money like a drunken sailor and far less to show for it except some eye candy.