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[QUOTE=Blade82;1596661]Well if the house only collects hf, they would have a hard time making ends meet. Especially for the rent a lot of these places are in. Although I think I heard houses collect a sum everyday, but not a. Don't worry though, I have heard straight from a number of girls that the money they make is more they can ever dream of. Others it may not seems so much since they have a lot of debts. As far as gettng a girl at home, well possibly but prob would have to dish out more to make it worth her while. Enough to cut into her rest time or the equivalent of a couple customers she could be taking while she at home. This is all assuming she will he comfortable letting someone into their home. If she isn't well goin have to get more dough.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=Starfox64; 1596796]Most girls will live at the AMP, the only ones that have their own place outside of work would be the ones that are here to stay and make Honolulu home. Now that usually means that they already got their green card and turned pro. The pros will almost never take you to their place unless your a long time customer that knows it's all business. Can you imagine what kind of problems a stalker LVB would be to a pro?

It is possible, you just have to click well, not be a stalker haha, and maybe start by offering to drive her home at the end of her shift or taking her out to a nice dinner. Personally I'd rather take an AMP girl out rather than a BG, they seem to apperciate the gesture much more than the latter.[/QUOTE]

You might be surprised at how many probably have their own place or at least share it with another girl, usually it is a one bedroom or studio. Many also have had boyfriends cause I seen the pictures and they told me when I ask, yet here I am in their crib-haha (note to you guys that have delusions of making it with an AMP girl and wanting to be her white / yellow or black knight-she going fk around on you). Don't worry though, the boyfriend tends not to live there or you wouldn't be there.

One way to tell if they have their own place is that if they are off a couple of days instead of disappearing 2 weeks to several months. Most of these MS will want the girl working if they are in the building even if the girl wants to rest a couple of days. Some may have a friend that lives here or have a home. Then that becomes harder cause their friend won't want her bringing a guy she don't know to her place. Then you got to either take her to a hotel or if you don't mind them knowing more about you, to your place. Watch out though she may want to be your LVG and marry you. If I go to a hotel, I have paid the girl like I was seeing her for 3 sessions at an AMP and take her to dinner- a lot of money I know with the hotel bill to, so I expect her to sleep over and I usually bang her at least 5 times. Check into the hotel, take a bath, round one, clean up, go dinner, go back to hotel or maybe karaoke first, bang another three times, then talk and sleep (each time asking for massage ea. Other and talk story) wake up alarm comes on in the form of finding her giving me a BJ under the sheets. I try not to do this as this is costly and jr. Is sore for the next few days of doing it 5 times in an 16-18 hour period cause ea. Round lasts a good 1 to 1 15 before I pop. The best is her place and if she let me stay overnight. Some of these girls want to rest from the business yet I think the ones I got lucky with also are a little lonely, so if they can have company and make some money they may be game. You feed their need and in turn they may feed yours.

However, you got to be someone she a) clicks with and likes and be) a frequent and regular customer. Yes taking her out to dinner or even cooking for her can help, or maybe even taking her out around the island on her day off can get her to let her guard down. Another thing, I don't think this works with the young hot AMP chicks though I never tried. You just got to read between the lines or see the signs. A girl say like Viet Lily or Mimi of PT are all work as much as they can to get the money so they can go home with some. Which by the way is another sign if they go home to a foreign country and not to a place in the USA where their family is located.

The funniest story is when I saw this one girl and got her to see me at her place, paid for one hour session plus HF but went as long as two hours, saw a picture of her roommate with her BF and remembered seeing her at another AMP. So when this girl took off for a little while, went to see her roommate and got her roommate to let me fk her at the apt, then the roof came down eventually when they found out I was doing them both at the apt, they got mad at each for that, but also mad at me cause they both allowed me to do them BB and was mad that I did it with another girl BB, (as if they don't do other guys from time to time BB-their reason is hilarious). Yeah not easy, but doable and you got to watch and asks when the opp presents itself.

[QUOTE=Uki Eater; 1597164]Gosh, Jackson should just put this in Abbreviations right under LTR hehe. Sorry, but your post made me giggle hehe.

"What the hell does LVB mean? I looked everywhere and can't find it!"[/QUOTE]Yeah! I was wondering same thing. Long Term Relationship (LTR is my guess). LVB? Something something Boyfriend?

[QUOTE=Ocolumbo;1597161]All get green cards regardless where they sleep. LE checks all the time.[/QUOTE]LE has made several raids, over the past few years, in which women have been arrested for being undocumented. In some cases, they've even been deported. LE isn't that savvy or interested in shuttering these places or their services, or they'd simply get solicitation on tape and prosecute every AMP to the fullest extent of the law. Mostly, they do "knock and talks" based on tips, where they ask questions of providers and mongers, hoping someone will give them info that can lead to charges. That's why the number one rule when LE arrives is to be quiet as a mouse.

[QUOTE=Crouchingtiger; 1597227]You might be surprised at how many probably have their own place or at least share it with another girl, usually it is a one bedroom or studio. Many also have had boyfriends cause I seen the pictures and they told me when I ask, yet here I am in their crib-haha (note to you guys that have delusions of making it with an AMP girl and wanting to be her white / yellow or black knight-she going fk around on you). Don't worry though, the boyfriend tends not to live there or you wouldn't be there.

One way to tell if they have their own place is that if they are off a couple of days instead of disappearing 2 weeks to several months. Most of these MS will want the girl working if they are in the building even if the girl wants to rest a couple of days. Some may have a friend that lives here or have a home. Then that becomes harder cause their friend won't want her bringing a guy she don't know to her place. Then you got to either take her to a hotel or if you don't mind them knowing more about you, to your place. Watch out though she may want to be your LVG and marry you. If I go to a hotel, I have paid the girl like I was seeing her for 3 sessions at an AMP and take her to dinner- a lot of money I know with the hotel bill to, so I expect her to sleep over and I usually bang her at least 5 times. Check into the hotel, take a bath, round one, clean up, go dinner, go back to hotel or maybe karaoke first, bang another three times, then talk and sleep (each time asking for massage ea. Other and talk story) wake up alarm comes on in the form of finding her giving me a BJ under the sheets. I try not to do this as this is costly and jr. Is sore for the next few days of doing it 5 times in an 16-18 hour period cause ea. Round lasts a good 1 to 1 15 before I pop. The best is her place and if she let me stay overnight. Some of these girls want to rest from the business yet I think the ones I got lucky with also are a little lonely, so if they can have company and make some money they may be game. You feed their need and in turn they may feed yours.

However, you got to be someone she a) clicks with and likes and be) a frequent and regular customer. Yes taking her out to dinner or even cooking for her can help, or maybe even taking her out around the island on her day off can get her to let her guard down. Another thing, I don't think this works with the young hot AMP chicks though I never tried. You just got to read between the lines or see the signs. A girl say like Viet Lily or Mimi of PT are all work as much as they can to get the money so they can go home with some. Which by the way is another sign if they go home to a foreign country and not to a place in the USA where their family is located.

The funniest story is when I saw this one girl and got her to see me at her place, paid for one hour session plus HF but went as long as two hours, saw a picture of her roommate with her BF and remembered seeing her at another AMP. So when this girl took off for a little while, went to see her roommate and got her roommate to let me fk her at the apt, then the roof came down eventually when they found out I was doing them both at the apt, they got mad at each for that, but also mad at me cause they both allowed me to do them BB and was mad that I did it with another girl BB, (as if they don't do other guys from time to time BB-their reason is hilarious). Yeah not easy, but doable and you got to watch and asks when the opp presents itself.[/QUOTE]Take out is rare and costly, as you say. And you do have to be a regular, so that a provider gets to know and trust you. It's more common in bars, I think, because some girls don't like to get busy in a booth or a back room. This is especially true with JBGs (Japanese bargirls) , who hardly ever service guys in the bar, I've found. Anyway, AMP girls often do have places of their own, especially if they're local. Sometimes, you can tell by whether or not they have a car, car keys, or something akin to that. Transportation implies a place to go, you know?

I wouldn't say that the younger ones are too much more difficult than the older ones. Actually, I've found it to be the other way around. Younger girls feel like they can feed off of you and still have that naivetee, where they think that you'll be an SD. Yeah, the connection has to be there. I think the main thing is how you present yourself. I don't go to AMPs looking like a bum. I dress for the occasion, like I'm going out on a date, wearing a nice shirt and scent. If you take care of yourself, you're more likely to have a girl take care of you. I have problematic skin, though, so I don't have much of a choice.

All of that said, I'm not a big take out fan. As CT said, the expense can be massive and the payoff minimal, unless you're trying to get into an open relationship and, I don't know, become the girl's pimp or protector. I've found that providers can become very, very jealous when they discover with whom you've been, or that you're spreading your seed beyond their flesh. That's not the kind of drama that I want to invite into my life. Like CT said, if your SS finds out that she's not your only SS, the risk of anger becomes high. Personally, I don't need that spread throughout an AMP or multiple AMPs, so I'll keep my mongering to the AMPs, themselves.

[QUOTE=Ingwa;1597077]Actually they do have to pay taxes. But like others who work for tips, they probably fudge the total a bit. If they didn't pay taxes, they wouldn't be able to open bank accounts or invest in their future or send money home. Why did Rosemary suddenly shut down? Taxes.[/QUOTE]I have to respectfully disagree. First of all the majority of these women are not "employees". They don't have to file a W-4 form and they don't have income taxes automatically pulled out of their earnings. I have personally dated some of these women over the years and none of them filed a US tax return. In fact I have personally witnessed them go to the post office and buy money orders with all that cash so that they could send the money easier to other countries. You can easily run a cash based underground business in this country and never pay a dime in tax. How do I know? Let's just say I have personally witnessed it. I bet you the majority of these women never ever pay taxes. Why would they when the majority are not even citizens? Hell I wouldn't. In fact I do everything in my power legally to avoid taxes. I am sure these women do the same.

Of course I am talking about the working provider girls not the owners or landlords of the AMP. Sure they can get in trouble for not paying taxes. But since the providers are transient they can get away from paying taxes easily.

[QUOTE=WraithOfGod;1597305]LE has made several raids, over the past few years, in which women have been arrested for being undocumented. In some cases, they've even been deported. LE isn't that savvy or interested in shuttering these places or their services, or they'd simply get solicitation on tape and prosecute every AMP to the fullest extent of the law. Mostly, they do "knock and talks" based on tips, where they ask questions of providers and mongers, hoping someone will give them info that can lead to charges. That's why the number one rule when LE arrives is to be quiet as a mouse.[/QUOTE]You are referring to the fiasco at Rosemarri under Thai management. All the Korean places would not hire girls without green card. LE does a lot more than knock and ask. They can and have checked ids and taken pictures of all the girls, including mama, on their raids, even girls not arrested.

[QUOTE=WraithOfGod; 1597310]Take out is rare and costly, as you say. And you do have to be a regular, so that a provider gets to know and trust you. It's more common in bars, I think, because some girls don't like to get busy in a booth or a back room. This is especially true with JBGs (Japanese bargirls) , who hardly ever service guys in the bar, I've found. Anyway, AMP girls often do have places of their own, especially if they're local. Sometimes, you can tell by whether or not they have a car, car keys, or something akin to that. Transportation implies a place to go, you know?

I wouldn't say that the younger ones are too much more difficult than the older ones. Actually, I've found it to be the other way around. Younger girls feel like they can feed off of you and still have that naivetee, where they think that you'll be an SD. Yeah, the connection has to be there. I think the main thing is how you present yourself. I don't go to AMPs looking like a bum. I dress for the occasion, like I'm going out on a date, wearing a nice shirt and scent. If you take care of yourself, you're more likely to have a girl take care of you. I have problematic skin, though, so I don't have much of a choice.

All of that said, I'm not a big take out fan. As CT said, the expense can be massive and the payoff minimal, unless you're trying to get into an open relationship and, I don't know, become the girl's pimp or protector. I've found that providers can become very, very jealous when they discover with whom you've been, or that you're spreading your seed beyond their flesh. That's not the kind of drama that I want to invite into my life. Like CT said, if your SS finds out that she's not your only SS, the risk of anger becomes high. Personally, I don't need that spread throughout an AMP or multiple AMPs, so I'll keep my mongering to the AMPs, themselves.[/QUOTE]I've been to multiple popular AMP girl's apartments, condos or homes. If they like you that is just the way it goes. Some of them were or are still very popular on this board and like he said every single one of them would get very mad if they heard I was visiting another girl in another AMP. Most of them have some sort of drama in their life and that is why they are in the business. But, they also have a need for normalcy and if they really like you, they will let you into their real lives. Also, a lot of them know each other through working together or having a friend working with them in the same AMP. Mamasans also keep checks on each other's businesses. Also they all read post here on USA but most play stupid when asked. LOL They know exactly who you are and have laughs about it afterwards or think "why they have to lie about it". Kinda funny. You will know if they are interested or not after your first meeting. If they ask to borrow money or give you a sad story then run! If they ask you to stay over and sleep at their place then you are in, simple as that. Don't get caught in their trap. If they really, really like you they won't charge you for your time outside. That's a fact. Be safe my brothers and monger wisely.

[QUOTE=JogaBrazil;1597271]Yeah! I was wondering same thing. Long Term Relationship (LTR is my guess). LVB? Something something Boyfriend?[/QUOTE]LVB or LoVerBoy is simply a guy that seeks some type of relationship with a provider other than the usual business transaction whther its a AMP girl, BG, Escort, Stripper, etc. IE: want to become thier BF or marriage intentions. While there are LVBs in all the mongering venues, they are more prevelent in the hostess bars as MOST of the guys in the booths sitting with girls are LVBs.

[QUOTE=Mipene77; 1597526]I have to respectfully disagree. First of all the majority of these women are not "employees". They don't have to file a W-4 form and they don't have income taxes automatically pulled out of their earnings. I have personally dated some of these women over the years and none of them filed a US tax return. In fact I have personally witnessed them go to the post office and buy money orders with all that cash so that they could send the money easier to other countries. You can easily run a cash based underground business in this country and never pay a dime in tax. How do I know? Let's just say I have personally witnessed it. I bet you the majority of these women never ever pay taxes. Why would they when the majority are not even citizens? Hell I wouldn't. In fact I do everything in my power legally to avoid taxes. I am sure these women do the same.

Of course I am talking about the working provider girls not the owners or landlords of the AMP. Sure they can get in trouble for not paying taxes. But since the providers are transient they can get away from paying taxes easily.[/QUOTE]You're right. And to add to your post, I know of at least one girl who regularly funnels $25k to $50k in cash, in person, to her home country, while also using her "boyfriend's" business to launder other derivatives. Also, remember that most of these places haven't had legitimate business licenses in years. Do you really think a place that doesn't keep up its license with DCCA is going to be vigilant about its providers' papers? But I think we're skipping the real question, which is: How many of you mongers flake on your tax returns? Mhm, thought so!

[QUOTE=Ocolumbo;1597565]You are referring to the fiasco at Rosemarri under Thai management. All the Korean places would not hire girls without green card. LE does a lot more than knock and ask. They can and have checked ids and taken pictures of all the girls, including mama, on their raids, even girls not arrested.[/QUOTE]Lots of places have been hit up. RM, PT, HG, NV, GQ, Rappongi, and more. Remember the massive Wardplex raids about three or four years ago? It's a nice fantasy to think that all girls have their green cards, and I'd venture that most do. But not all. And certainly not all providers obtained their green cards through legal means. As for RM, you're right about the management fiasco. If anyone is curious about why RM was shuttered, it was for massive tax fraud and evasion.

[QUOTE=Buster50;1597800]I've been to multiple popular AMP girl's apartments, condos or homes. If they like you that is just the way it goes. Some of them were or are still very popular on this board and like he said every single one of them would get very mad if they heard I was visiting another girl in another AMP. Most of them have some sort of drama in their life and that is why they are in the business. But, they also have a need for normalcy and if they really like you, they will let you into their real lives. Also, a lot of them know each other through working together or having a friend working with them in the same AMP. Mamasans also keep checks on each other's businesses. Also they all read post here on USA but most play stupid when asked. LOL They know exactly who you are and have laughs about it afterwards or think "why they have to lie about it". Kinda funny. You will know if they are interested or not after your first meeting. If they ask to borrow money or give you a sad story then run! If they ask you to stay over and sleep at their place then you are in, simple as that. Don't get caught in their trap. If they really, really like you they won't charge you for your time outside. That's a fact. Be safe my brothers and monger wisely.[/QUOTE]Man, that is [I][U]so[/I][/U] True about mamasans checking up on their competition, usually through their providers (many of whom have worked at multiple locales). That said, you'd think the grapevine would lead to some better talent at certain places. And yeah, mamas and providers do read this thread (just look at Katrina's recent post in the VIP thread or Jasmine's in the SF thread). I don't think they're keen on who each monger is, though, unless you're obvious about it. For those of us that frequent multiple AMPs, it's best to keep our handles close to the vest. Finally, it can sometimes take repeat visits to earn a girl's trust and make a connection, so I don't think it's always clear after the first session. Might take a few. But to anyone excited by this discussion, don't go into a session expecting a girl to be an LVG (lovergirl, the kind that does free take out). It just sort of happens, when it happens. And in my experience, it doesn't last very long when it does. It turns into that "wedding bells" experience that you describe (had that happen on multiple occasions, most recently with Lala, as I reported) because, as you said, these girls ultimately want normalcy, security, and real love, just like anyone else.

[QUOTE=WraithOfGod;1598049]Man, that is [I][U]so[/I][/U] True about mamasans checking up on their competition, usually through their providers (many of whom have worked at multiple locales). That said, you'd think the grapevine would lead to some better talent at certain places. And yeah, mamas and providers do read this thread (just look at Katrina's recent post in the VIP thread or Jasmine's in the SF thread). I don't think they're keen on who each monger is, though, unless you're obvious about it. For those of us that frequent multiple AMPs, it's best to keep our handles close to the vest. Finally, it can sometimes take repeat visits to earn a girl's trust and make a connection, so I don't think it's always clear after the first session. Might take a few. But to anyone excited by this discussion, don't go into a session expecting a girl to be an LVG (lovergirl, the kind that does free take out). It just sort of happens, when it happens. And in my experience, it doesn't last very long when it does. It turns into that "wedding bells" experience that you describe (had that happen on multiple occasions, most recently with Lala, as I reported) because, as you said, these girls ultimately want normalcy, security, and real love, just like anyone else.[/QUOTE]So true. Better be ready to step up and take care of them. To me a good indicator is getting service without having to pay. But be careful it may just be a setup. Another is getting for example bbfscip when NO one else ever gets it ever! Oh, BTW there are a bunch of posters who are only posting to get business for mamasan and only post what you want to hear. I actually know a bunch of handles that are on here for that purpose. That is what makes reading these post soo fun. LOL.

[url]http://www.staradvertiser.com/multimedia/photo_galleries/Naturalization_ceremony.html?photo=6[/url]

I'm probably mistaken, but the girl on the right sure looks like a c-hostess at Butterfly. I forgot her name (Bebe?) but she previously worked at Evergreen.

[QUOTE=H Mobius; 1598192][url]http://www.staradvertiser.com/multimedia/photo_galleries/Naturalization_ceremony.html?photo=6[/url]

I'm probably mistaken, but the girl on the right sure looks like a see-hostess at Butterfly. I forgot her name (Bebe?) but she previously worked at Evergreen.[/QUOTE]Isn't that Lily?

[QUOTE=John Ross;1598195]Isn't that Lily?[/QUOTE]LILY! That's her name, not Bebe. Recycled names! So that actually is her in the pic?

I wonder what everyone (including the judge) would think if they knew she's been hustling drinks and grabbing crotch for a living for several years now. I can't imagine how fast she ran when the reporter asked permission to get her name for the caption.