"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[QUOTE=DogSun;2573187]JL, how have / would you handle girls who, during the M&G but before heading to the FC, ask how much sugar they are going to get?[/QUOTE]I know the other guys operate differently, so this is yet another perspective. But for me, if we have not discussed a massage fee or poetry reading fee up front, then I see no need to waste time with a M&G meeting. If expectations are not set in advance, then a M&G is a crap shoot.

Look, negotiating a rate face-to-face is dangerous and silly. When the plumbers come to work in my neighborhood, they want $100/ hr for labor. A mile away in the row home area they charge $50/ hr labor. So any girl who is smart is going to wait for a M&G, size up one's ability to pay and level of desperation and then use that to extract as high a level of cash as she can from you. You want to operate like that? I don't.

Plus, as others have pointed out. Say you are a shrewd negotiator and after a half hour of tough negotiations you get her to agree to your price. You think a date with her is going to be wild & uninhibited? Or is she thinking in the back of her mind, "Well I invested this much time and effort in things already, might as well get what I can out of it, instead of going home empty-handed. " Not the basis of her relaxing & putting her best efforts in, nor repeat business.

[QUOTE=CephlapodLove;2573433]Look, negotiating a rate face-to-face is dangerous and silly. When the plumbers come to work in my neighborhood, they want $100/ hr for labor. A mile away in the row home area they charge $50/ hr labor. So any girl who is smart is going to wait for a M&G, size up one's ability to pay and level of desperation and then use that to extract as high a level of cash as she can from you. You want to operate like that? I don't.[/QUOTE]But it works both ways. If I were going to negotiate a rate up front, I'd rather do it in person after I've had an opportunity to run the game a bit and try to win some points for chemistry.

Because before that happens, she is going to throw out a "worst case scenario" amount based on your photos which for all she knows could be fake (multiple SBs have told me that fake pics have been a big problem for them in the past).

A plumber can quote you an hourly rate because they don't care what you look like or smell like, they're going to be plumbing turds from toilets one way or another. With an SB if you have any game at all you have an opportunity to charm her a bit and hopefully take her mind off money completely, or at least get it lowered in priority in her mind.

Had very fun and MILFy nooner today with a girl that likes foot action.

[URL]http://www.usasexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?6028-Photography-getting-her-to-pose[/URL]

If you are into feet. This girls feet are in the 9+ quality range.

The usual $ was way more than enough for her to let loose.

She is a real sweetheart. I have seen her maybe twice a year for 4 years now.

JL. You're conflating culture with race. Being white isn't a culture any more than being Asian, AA, or Latina. A girl of hatian descent will be culturally different than one who grew up in Ethiopa.

Generalizing about someone based on their cultural background can provide info as a starting point because it has a basis. Generaling about someone based on race provides little to no information (unless you're generalizing about physical traits. I. e. Asians tend to have straight black hair).

[QUOTE=JeezLizard;2573050]But do you realize that by pointing out that Korean girls are different than Thai girls -- you've just made a generalization of sorts? The fact that you noticed that there is a cultural difference between women from the two countries and that they are both different than white girls is in itself saying that there is a pattern of behavioral difference there. My earlier comments were not to say all Asians or Latinas do this or that, it was just to point out that once you've dated literally countless numbers of each demographic (and I mean dated, not paid for sex) you start to notice patterns that emerge more often in one demographic than another.

Yes I could absolutely identify traits that are more likely to appear in white, Latina or Asian girls assuming they have some fairly recent cultural tie to their country of origin. If they were adopted shortly after birth and grew up completely in the USA they are not going to have much cultural influence from another country, so in a case of "extreme Americanization" it is all bets off.

My experience with AA is much less vast -- I can discuss patterns I've noticed there but it's working from a much smaller sample size and I'm sure my findings would be less accurate than if you talked to someone who specializes in that demographic like HWG does.

But yes, patterns can be recognized and generalizations can be made. Asians and Latinas generalize about their own culture because they are in touch with their own people and know what to expect. Sometimes you even hear them say "I hate _ (insert this or that" about their own culture, and they will highlight something behavioral that occurs frequently among folks from their country that is different from Americans. Those differences form the basis of the generalizations.[/QUOTE]

Any thoughts on a POT that is looking to meet without asking for a pic?

I had two M&Gs where nothing was mentioned beforehand. At the end of the dinner I asked if they would like to have dinner again next week. I wasn't expecting to go to the FC that evening. I was walking the first POT to her car. Before she got in the car a leaned over to give her a kiss on the cheek. She backed away and asked if was going to give her any money. I thought WTF you want money for a kiss on the cheek. I told her if she would like to come to my place we could discuss the issue further. She had this look of disgust on her face and got in her car. For the second POT we had a really nice dinner together. I knew ahead of time that she was meeting some girlfriends later that evening. Therefore, I was not expecting a visit to the FC that evening assuming she was telling the truth. At the end of our dinner I asked if she would like to get together again. She said sure and wanted to know if I was going to give her any money tonight. I told her that if she could host tonight then we could discuss her allowance. At that point she said she was disappointed that I would not give her any money and walked away from the table. Based on those two events I have leaned toward getting expectations set up front. However, I have had a few M&Gs that turned out OK without agreeing up front. One came back to the FC and never asked for money. I was amazed.

[QUOTE=IluvSmellyFish;2574056]JL. You're conflating culture with race. Being white isn't a culture any more than being Asian, AA, or Latina. A girl of hatian descent will be culturally different than one who grew up in Ethiopa.

Generalizing about someone based on their cultural background can provide info as a starting point because it has a basis. Generaling about someone based on race provides little to no information (unless you're generalizing about physical traits. I. e. Asians tend to have straight black hair).[/QUOTE]Well this is getting kind of hair-splitting and onto subjects outside of the thread, but I was explaining what I meant when I said "Asian" or "Latina". I wasn't talking about the genetic makeup of their DNA, I was talking about the fact that whenever we speak of one demographic group (Asian, Latina, AA etc) then there is about a 99% chance that part of the environment they've been participating throughout their life, via family or whatever, has exposed them to a culture that is different from the culture a typical middle class Caucasian that grew up in the US would experience.

Therefore, most of the time race can be associated with culture. Like I said I'm not going to get too deep into this, anymore than I want to get into politics in this thread. In the right place and right time if I were bored enough maybe, but not here. In the meantime we can just agree to disagree on whatever you'd like to disagree with and try to keep the thread on track. My experience with girls in the aforementioned demographics is expansive to say the least, so I speak only from vast experience. Its up to the reader to pick and choose what they want to absorb. Just know when I speak of race here I am speaking of culture interchangeably, without discussing ad nauseam what I meant in the interest of brevity.

[QUOTE=MulchMan;2574140]I had two M&Gs where nothing was mentioned beforehand. At the end of the dinner I asked if they would like to have dinner again next week. I wasn't expecting to go to the FC that evening. I was walking the first POT to her car. Before she got in the car a leaned over to give her a kiss on the cheek. She backed away and asked if was going to give her any money. I thought WTF you want money for a kiss on the cheek. I told her if she would like to come to my place we could discuss the issue further. She had this look of disgust on her face and got in her car. For the second POT we had a really nice dinner together. I knew ahead of time that she was meeting some girlfriends later that evening. Therefore, I was not expecting a visit to the FC that evening assuming she was telling the truth. At the end of our dinner I asked if she would like to get together again. She said sure and wanted to know if I was going to give her any money tonight. I told her that if she could host tonight then we could discuss her allowance. At that point she said she was disappointed that I would not give her any money and walked away from the table. Based on those two events I have leaned toward getting expectations set up front. However, I have had a few M&Gs that turned out OK without agreeing up front. One came back to the FC and never asked for money. I was amazed.[/QUOTE]I don't understand your third sentence about not expecting to go to the FC that evening. My dates are always with the expectation of ending in the FC, even if it's after extended dining / clubbing etc.

About the second girl you met -- I would not have agreed to a meeting on a night where she had preemptively discussed plans after the date. I would have told her let's both pick a night where we don't have to be somewhere afterward in case things go well. I used to do that even in civy dating although sometimes I would even be more stealthy about it, trying to figure out their work schedule or when their primary obligations fall early on and planning our first date on a night where she doesn't have to work the next day or whatever, just for the better chance of getting laid and to be sure they're free for a potential all nighter.

JL, not trying to debate or attack. Just pointing out that race is not culture. There is a big difference between the two. No need to debate it because there is nothing to debate.

[QUOTE=JeezLizard;2574144]Well this is getting kind of hair-splitting and onto subjects outside of the thread, but I was explaining what I meant when I said "Asian" or "Latina". I wasn't talking about the genetic makeup of their DNA, I was talking about the fact that whenever we speak of one demographic group (Asian, Latina, AA etc) then there is about a 99% chance that part of the environment they've been participating throughout their life, via family or whatever, has exposed them to a culture that is different from the culture a typical middle class Caucasian that grew up in the US would experience.

Therefore, most of the time race can be associated with culture. Like I said I'm not going to get too deep into this, anymore than I want to get into politics in this thread. In the right place and right time if I were bored enough maybe, but not here. In the meantime we can just agree to disagree on whatever you'd like to disagree with and try to keep the thread on track. My experience with girls in the aforementioned demographics is expansive to say the least, so I speak only from vast experience. Its up to the reader to pick and choose what they want to absorb. Just know when I speak of race here I am speaking of culture interchangeably, without discussing ad nauseam what I meant in the interest of brevity.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=MulchMan;2574140]One came back to the FC and never asked for money. I was amazed.[/QUOTE]And did she ever call you again?

[QUOTE=IluvSmellyFish;2574173]JL, not trying to debate or attack. Just pointing out that race is not culture. There is a big difference between the two. No need to debate it because there is nothing to debate.[/QUOTE]I agree that race is not culture, but as I said I was summarizing Asian or Latina girls to represent those who have been exposed, at least via family or environment, to Asian or Latin culture in some way, which is the majority. I think you were reading too much into what I said, I never indicated whether I meant race or culture, I discussed behavior -- I just assumed it would be kind of obvious that culture influences behavior rather than race, so I did not spell that part out until now. When one dates enough girls in one demographic category or another, they will begin to notice clear patterns that stand out in each category (based in cultural differences to be sure) that are undeniable. Not applicable to every girl in that category, but patterns that are worth discussing nonetheless. That's all I ever originally alluded to.

[QUOTE=Telcova;2574092]Any thoughts on a POT that is looking to meet without asking for a pic?[/QUOTE]My experience suggests this is an escort ploy. Girls tend to be less into appearance than guys are, but a true SB is going to want to see what you look like. The other "type" who would do this is a desperate for money girl. A Nando 1. She might not be a hooker yet, but will do what it takes to get the dough. I had one recently. She was a spinner -7 face but cute as heck body. She was desperate for $ to get her car out of hock and came to my FC to deliver a nice lay. I advanced her a little more a few days later and she went dark. Is she a serial crook -maybe. Or was she desperate and willing to commit a little larceny to get out of trouble? I think the latter. She is no longer on any SB Board that I follow.

I have an SB who is a 20 yr old Asian spinner 7/8/6/7. Due to my lack of flexibility to shop for others I stick with her. But here's the problem. She does not respond at all -nothing -to my sexual advances. Nothing! It is weird. No moan, groan, OOh, Ahh -nothing. She is very compliant and will do anything I want to do. Why do I stay? Because she has the tightest little pussy I have ever ridden Bareback and she is a great sperm dumpster. She is very sweet and we chat about things before and after. She just says she is quiet and never shows emotion even though she "has an O " . It is the only time in my long term Mongering history, that I have not been able to get a single response out of my partner. I think a Pro would at least pretend. They can watch "When Harry met Sally" and learn how to do the O thing -right?

I know all the probabilities. I don't think she is a Pro, but could be. She could be frigid due to sex abuse as a child or other trauma -most likely. She could just not be attracted to me in any way and just can't bring herself to pretend even. Unlikely LOL. Other than dump her do you guys have any ideas about opening her up emotionally? Basically I am just enjoying the F at %k but it is more of an escort experience and no emotional involvement which as mentioned previously makes the experience more enjoyable. Would you have a discussion and ask for more effort to express her experience? Or is it just a lost cause and move on?

[QUOTE=FredMoore;2574627]I have an SB who is a 20 yr old Asian spinner 7/8/6/7. Due to my lack of flexibility to shop for others I stick with her. But here's the problem. She does not respond at all -nothing -to my sexual advances. Nothing! It is weird. No moan, groan, OOh, Ahh -nothing. She is very compliant and will do anything I want to do. Why do I stay? Because she has the tightest little pussy I have ever ridden Bareback and she is a great sperm dumpster. She is very sweet and we chat about things before and after. She just says she is quiet and never shows emotion even though she "has an O " . It is the only time in my long term Mongering history, that I have not been able to get a single response out of my partner. I think a Pro would at least pretend. They can watch "When Harry met Sally" and learn how to do the O thing -right?

I know all the probabilities. I don't think she is a Pro, but could be. She could be frigid due to sex abuse as a child or other trauma -most likely. She could just not be attracted to me in any way and just can't bring herself to pretend even. Unlikely LOL. Other than dump her do you guys have any ideas about opening her up emotionally? Basically I am just enjoying the F at %k but it is more of an escort experience and no emotional involvement which as mentioned previously makes the experience more enjoyable. Would you have a discussion and ask for more effort to express her experience? Or is it just a lost cause and move on?[/QUOTE]Probably a lost cause. Sorry.

[QUOTE=FredMoore;2574627]I have an SB who is a 20 yr old Asian spinner 7/8/6/7. Due to my lack of flexibility to shop for others I stick with her. But here's the problem. She does not respond at all -nothing -to my sexual advances. Nothing! It is weird. No moan, groan, OOh, Ahh -nothing. She is very compliant and will do anything I want to do. Why do I stay? Because she has the tightest little pussy I have ever ridden Bareback and she is a great sperm dumpster. She is very sweet and we chat about things before and after. She just says she is quiet and never shows emotion even though she "has an O " . It is the only time in my long term Mongering history, that I have not been able to get a single response out of my partner. I think a Pro would at least pretend. They can watch "When Harry met Sally" and learn how to do the O thing -right?

I know all the probabilities. I don't think she is a Pro, but could be. She could be frigid due to sex abuse as a child or other trauma -most likely. She could just not be attracted to me in any way and just can't bring herself to pretend even. Unlikely LOL. Other than dump her do you guys have any ideas about opening her up emotionally? Basically I am just enjoying the F at %k but it is more of an escort experience and no emotional involvement which as mentioned previously makes the experience more enjoyable. Would you have a discussion and ask for more effort to express her experience? Or is it just a lost cause and move on?[/QUOTE]I had a similar experience not too long ago. A beautiful young woman of 22 who was totally compliant in bed but didn't offer any audible or physical feedback other than being extremely wet when we played. She told me that she really enjoyed our time together in bed but that she just wasn't the type to show emotions as she was embarrassed to do so. For me half the fun of having sex is enjoying watching and hearing my partner get sexually charged and then climaxing. When this slender woman would come the only way I knew was feeling her pussy or ass rhythmically clench my cock and fingers. On one of our "dates" I took her out for a Las Vegas show featuring a world famous Musician who happens to be a friend of my Family. So we had great seats, went back stage after the show and ended up having a late dinner at his suite. I only mention this because the young woman seemed very happy during the whole evening and yet she was still subdued and inhibited the entire time. I realized at that point that it wasn't a bedroom personality but her complete DNA to be quiet and reserved. I wish there was a third part to my story where I brought her emotions out over time but, unfortunately, she went back to her home in Europe and promptly went dark. I know you asked for advice Fred and the only thought I have is perhaps you could take your SB to a non sexual event and see if her bedroom personality carries over to her entire life. Then it would still be up to you whether or not you wanted to work on opening her up emotionally as well as physically. In any event I wish you the best in whatever you decide to do.

[QUOTE=FredMoore;2574627]I have an SB who is a 20 yr old Asian spinner 7/8/6/7. Due to my lack of flexibility to shop for others I stick with her. But here's the problem. She does not respond at all -nothing -to my sexual advances. Nothing! It is weird. No moan, groan, OOh, Ahh -nothing. She is very compliant and will do anything I want to do. Why do I stay? Because she has the tightest little pussy I have ever ridden Bareback and she is a great sperm dumpster. She is very sweet and we chat about things before and after. She just says she is quiet and never shows emotion even though she "has an O " . It is the only time in my long term Mongering history, that I have not been able to get a single response out of my partner. I think a Pro would at least pretend. They can watch "When Harry met Sally" and learn how to do the O thing -right?

I know all the probabilities. I don't think she is a Pro, but could be. She could be frigid due to sex abuse as a child or other trauma -most likely. She could just not be attracted to me in any way and just can't bring herself to pretend even. Unlikely LOL. Other than dump her do you guys have any ideas about opening her up emotionally? Basically I am just enjoying the F at %k but it is more of an escort experience and no emotional involvement which as mentioned previously makes the experience more enjoyable. Would you have a discussion and ask for more effort to express her experience? Or is it just a lost cause and move on?[/QUOTE]Was your Asian born here, and if not, then what country? My experience has been with Chinese women since I lived there for a while and dated several while there. Chinese women socially mature later than our American women. This does extend to the bed. They simply have not had much sex, and if they do, then it is from Chinese men who typically are conservative. Most don't even like to eat pussy. It is common for, say, a 30 year old to have had maybe two partners. China, socially reminded me of our country back in the 50's or 60's without the sexual revolution of the sixties.

But if that's not the case with your girl then maybe she was raised by parents from Asia where they still hold their conservative values.

It might be just a case of teaching her to open up. Just my two cents.

[QUOTE=IluvSmellyFish;2574173]JL, not trying to debate or attack. Just pointing out that race is not culture. There is a big difference between the two. No need to debate it because there is nothing to debate.[/QUOTE]You are missing the point. DEBATE is everything and the only reason for posting. Er, unless one has a jaded view of human nature. But THAT would be a an unfair assessment and not doubt proffer a lengthy and vitriolic retort?

I'm just sayin'.

[QUOTE=Telcova;2574092]Any thoughts on a POT that is looking to meet without asking for a pic?[/QUOTE]I have an SO and this is a small town so I have never sent a pic or really even had a M&G, I use extended texting / sexting, talking to establish chemistry, which is more important to them, so if we get along that way it is straight to the fc. I am pretty confident in saying that none were pros.

[QUOTE=EasyGoingJ;2575172]I have an SO and this is a small town so I have never sent a pic or really even had a M&G, I use extended texting / sexting, talking to establish chemistry, which is more important to them, so if we get along that way it is straight to the fc. I am pretty confident in saying that none were pros.[/QUOTE]I live in the big city but use a similar approach. Many times I can skip an actual phone call, but do it just to hear their voice once. I am old school that way. But for the girls its really not needed to meet up.

[QUOTE=FredMoore;2574627] Would you have a discussion and ask for more effort to express her experience? Or is it just a lost cause and move on?[/QUOTE]I would talk to her about it but ultimately not expect anything to change (I. E. Be ready to cut her loose). I think some girls are just duds in bed, and they most likely won't change.

There is one (civy dating) girl that stands out in my mind as the worst fuck I've ever had, bar none. She was cute Asian girl (not that it's relevant to the story but because there has been discussion around ethnicity lately), educated and smart but her career had taken a hit in the economy at the time and she was going through a bad divorce. I was looking at her as possible a dating prospect at the time, so we had a couple of lunch / dinner type dates with no sex. I had talked to her about some of her marital problems that led to divorce, she said her ex-husband was unsatisfied with sex because he said he felt like he had to force himself on her (that should have been clue #1).

During our dates I wasn't getting enough sexual vibes off her so I asked her point blank if she considered herself a sexual person, and I told her because I don't recall ever getting less vibes from a woman than I was getting from her and that it was starting to bother me. Her response was basically to the tone that yes she loves sex and yes she was very attracted to me, so ok I just took her word for it. Should have been clue #2.

Eventually I got her to spend the night, and it was bar-none the worst fuck I've ever had. To this day I can't even describe why it was so bad, it's almost like she was trying to position her body to make it more difficult for me to fuck her, like resisting the whole process. I practically had to use force to confine her to a good fucking position so I could finish up and unload in her (something I rarely do but I wasn't about to try pull out and spray her, because I'd have to release my ju jitsu hold in order to do it and I was afraid she'd somehow leave the room mid-process if I did).

So later that day she sends me a note about what a good time she had. I was already done. I made two attempts to call her at times when I knew she would be unable to answer, then just sent her a note that said "look we're both busy and our schedules aren't syncing up". Blah blah just to get rid of her.

Later I ended up meeting (and banging) a girl who was a former business partner of the above mentioned girl (they knew each other well). Small world apparently. She told me that she was friends with one of that girls' former boyfriends, and he said the same thing I did (absolute worst sex he had ever encountered).

So, that makes a total of three dudes all saying the same thing. My point is that your girl's sexual behavior is what it is, it's probably not specific to her partner. The girl in the story above saw me on a chat app a couple of years later and said hello. I chatted with her briefly before she asked me out (offering to buy me dinner), mentioning her new job was going well, she'd bought a house and was free of the divorce stress etc.

I politely bowed out of the date because once was enough for me, but my point here is that the reason for her lousy sexual performance was not personal (obviously or she wouldn't have asked me out again).

So I think it won't hurt you to talk about it with her, I just don't think you'll get results from that.

[QUOTE=CephlapodLove;2574963]You are missing the point. DEBATE is everything and the only reason for posting. Er, unless one has a jaded view of human nature. But THAT would be a an unfair assessment and not doubt proffer a lengthy and vitriolic retort?

I'm just sayin'.[/QUOTE][BLUE]Not so much. I know you have been here forever, almost as long as I have, but the main reason for posting in this thread is to talk about prostitutes that don't like to think of themselves as prostitutes.

Extended debate in this town belongs on this thread [url]http://www.usasexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?13990-Stupid-Bullshit-that-has-nothing-to-do-with-getting-laid[/url]

Seriously if you want to stay an unmoderated senior, and I would like you to as well, you should learn to use those threads. Threads like this get a little more lienancy when it comes to arguin, whups I mean debating, but not a whole lot more.

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[QUOTE=JeezLizard;2575271]I would talk to her about it but ultimately not expect anything to change (I. E. Be ready to cut her loose). I think some girls are just duds in bed, and they most likely won't change.

.[/QUOTE]Thanks all for the comments. I don't take it personally since I have had so much experience but it is off-putting. At least I don't have to worry about the screams of passion upsetting the neighbors-the walls are Oh so thin.

[QUOTE=Admin2;2575358][BLUE]the main reason for posting in this thread is to talk about prostitutes that don't like to think of themselves as prostitutes.

A2[/BLUE][/QUOTE]How dare you refer to my my ATF that way. LOL.

Yesterday I saw my new booty call girl. The short pretty latina college student. She is an experienced UTR that I met on CL. Even being single my time is very limited. Being married I couldn't even imagine having more than one extra regular. When I was married I had a regular here and there. Sometimes a GF sometimes a booty call. I can't remember how many times I would see my GF in the day and then have to fuck my wife at nite just to throw off suspicion.

We are master jugglers. Its hard enough when those being juggled know they are only one of many. But to do it on the sly is a lot of work. If people only knew what we have to go through to balance work, home, health issues and pussy.

We are all executive level managers in the girl vertical. Having to follow market trends, be up on human resource issues, expense accounts, travel plans and our own bio-rythms to keep everyone happy and especially ourselves. I have taken one for my own team on many an occasion just to keep suspicions from arising, and girls needs needing to be met.

"Oh what a tangled web we weave, When first we practice to deceive. " - Sir Walter Scott.

But getting back to my new latina pussy. Her actual pussy and ass are amazing. She is UTR but she is there to please and be pleased. Since there is literally zero emotional involvement, I told her we have to find a way to make this work. Meaning a scripted sex session that will last 45 to 60 minutes at most due to the $ donation and her having to drive 30 minutes each way. So no ones time is wasted.

So we talked about exactly which sexual acts we will perform on each other and for how long. I have a couple of other ideas as well. Like letting her call me anytime she is actually horny when she calls me. If she has other guys, she can call them on the other days. I have given her a couple of directives already just to see if she would comply. The first was to skip the wh*re bath just prior to oral. Her natural pussy taste and smell drive me crazy. Last night she complied and it made a world of difference. I need to figure this out as I usually can't keep a straight up cold booty call girl going past a few dates.

And right now the convenience of that is what I need to keep things in motion with less effort than usual due to my ongoing health issues which make running around not so easy.

[QUOTE=Mike7794;2570417]An update from my update this past Monday.

I'm contemplating whether to keep the Asian. Maybe yes maybe no due to others I'm waiting to rate, but for the sake of discussion she's on my keeper list.

The 28 year old. We are supposed to spend this coming weekend together. I want to turn her inside out. Her personality arouses the heck out of me.

The 21 year old is still silent, so I sent her a text of understanding her feelings and am open to talk when she is ready. That little body is worth it, plus I like her personality.

The 31 year old. I was with her last night and we hit the FC. She performs well. A petite spinner that I like. Takes care of herself and looks better in person than her pics. I told her she needed to use a different camera, as her pics make her look more thick then she really is. I'm keeping her for now. She like to talk politics, which can be up my alley if I let it. She likes it so we debate pretty well. On a side note she has potential of being a wacko. I can only see this because of my years of seasoning and reading people, but if things are kept on the down low I'll be happy doing her.

On another side note. The Masters Asian student I saw months ago when I first played in the bowl I contacted her. I cut off contact several months ago when discovering this thread I found I was overpaying LOL. So I didn't think she would go for it, so I didn't even broach the subject. I decided to text her last week. I don't know why, but I thought what the heck I'll see if she'll go for my new $150 rate. She replied happy and missing me. Probably so since I was paying her $400. She replied she couldn't go as low as 150, but would for $300. I told her I'd think about it. I texted her back today and told her that thanks, but I'll pass and wish her well. She text back saying she would go down to $200 if I came down today (a 1 1/2 hour drive). Now she is coming close to my wheel house, but I told her that as much as that was tempting I couldn't because I had too much work in the office at the time. She then replied then "come soon" and went on to tell me she hasn't seen anyone else. Like I believe that LOL. OR she likes my performance in the FC. She must have had eight to ten orgasms that day. Back then I think she was telling the truth about not having sex for many months. But she is an Asian from China and I do like the Asian spinners, so we'll see. I wouldn't be able to see her till next week anyway due to my schedule and other babies I have lined up right now. Damn I'm having a good time.

I'm really looking at redoing my line up. The Asian Masters student I cut loose months ago. The current senior to be I'm looking to replace. My hope is the 28 year old ends up in my lineup and one other. I'd like to park my dick with just two for a while.[/QUOTE]To report on the 28 year old. Long story short she's a scam. First of all I was getting red flags when she started talking money the day before our meet. I posted earlier on her naked pic showing a nice tight little body. Well the girl I went to meet was about 170 lbs with black hair. I didn't let her get in the car. Wasted my time. A little scam artist. There must be some guys that fall for her game. I just wonder how long she's been doing it. In hindsight I should have passed when she gave me the clue of talking money. Oh well. Onward to the next.

Tomorrow my Asian ex wife comes to visit me.

I'm supposed to go meet my former Asian SB Grad Student this Wednesday.

Working on several POT's.

[QUOTE=Mike7794;2575836]To report on the 28 year old. Long story short she's a scam. First of all I was getting red flags when she started talking money the day before our meet. I posted earlier on her naked pic showing a nice tight little body. Well the girl I went to meet was about 170 lbs with black hair. I didn't let her get in the car. Wasted my time. A little scam artist. There must be some guys that fall for her game. I just wonder how long she's been doing it. In hindsight I should have passed when she gave me the clue of talking money. Oh well. Onward to the next.

Tomorrow my Asian ex wife comes to visit me.

I'm supposed to go meet my former Asian SB Grad Student this Wednesday.

Working on several POT's.[/QUOTE]Pictures, pictures, picture. Head to toe. Then if they still show up, they must be crazy.

[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;2575851]Pictures, pictures, picture. Head to toe. Then if they still show up, they must be crazy.[/QUOTE]This is the one that was sent. It wasn't all the way to toe but. I don't think there was any way around this unless I requested a live video chat. How often do we go to that extent?

[QUOTE=Mike7794;2575986]This is the one that was sent. It wasn't all the way to toe but. I don't think there was any way around this unless I requested a live video chat. How often do we go to that extent?[/QUOTE]Well nobody would be turning that down. And I have never done a live video chat either.

I did an M&G today that was in the FC. Kinda risky giving out my address to a girl in the hood, but she convinced me she was for real. And she was. AA. 25 years. 5'0' and 95 lbs. Six pack abs and well defined arms. Amazing legs. It all went well and I will see her on her next day off. Pics to follow for sure. She liked me.

[QUOTE=Mike7794;2575986]This is the one that was sent. It wasn't all the way to toe but. I don't think there was any way around this unless I requested a live video chat. How often do we go to that extent?[/QUOTE]Well, and only head to toe if you are into toes. But ankle deep for sure.

"Probably one and two. I am struggling. But I've always had a fetish for older guys. Always wanting to have sex with my teachers, professors etc, so that's another reason I am on the site. Older more mature facial features are more attractive to me. But I prefer slim. I'm not really okay with large old men".

18, blonde and hot. Will she still be this hot when she hears my offer? Not likely. But you gotta love these girls. Stay in shape guys. Because size does matter.

Sometimes its the size of your gut, sometimes its the size of your wallet.
But it's rarely the size of anything else. Well maybe the size of your heart.

[QUOTE=Mike7794;2575986]This is the one that was sent. It wasn't all the way to toe but. I don't think there was any way around this unless I requested a live video chat. How often do we go to that extent?[/QUOTE]You would have to be brain dead to pass that one up -unless you were't into white girls. She would be my dream girl-and the shill knew it. I think scammers count on guys who have pre-loaded Vitamin V and are ready to go with a hard dick and nowhere imminent to put it. They probably have a hit rate of 40% and consider rejection as the cost of doing business. So they will take what they can get. Face it -have you guys ever checked out the SW section and see what some guys will screw? Even BP and CL some of the entries are fat unattractive girls yet they get a lot of positive recommendations. Each to his own. I for one can not do thick. I wouldn't do Kim K for $50.

My ex came to visit today. It was and still is quality FC time. I guess now she is in my ATF position. That little shapely 5'3" 100 lb Asian is still prime at 35 years old.

Tomorrow I'm supposed to go visit my former SB Asian Grad Student.

"If you're just interested in something purely sexual, keep looking because I'm not a prostitute. ".

I just look at their pics and read the profile later if there is a reason too. This one can't wait to drop her panties for a $. Young, tall and attractive student, not a model, but a model figure. I pay no attention whatsoever to their profiles. Every girl is down for the right guy. If I see they are GPS, no problem, I just tell them "I" made a mistake.

Ah. Whats GPS? Perhaps we need to add this to the "Forum Abbreviations" section!

[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;2577083]"If you're just interested in something purely sexual, keep looking because I'm not a prostitute. ".

I just look at their pics and read the profile later if there is a reason too. This one can't wait to drop her panties for a $. Young, tall and attractive student, not a model, but a model figure. I pay no attention whatsoever to their profiles. Every girl is down for the right guy. If I see they are GPS, no problem, I just tell them "I" made a mistake.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Lebruno;2577311]Ah. Whats GPS? Perhaps we need to add this to the "Forum Abbreviations" section![/QUOTE]Golden Pussy Syndrome.

[QUOTE=Lebruno;2577311]Ah. Whats GPS? Perhaps we need to add this to the "Forum Abbreviations" section![/QUOTE]No, it's there Golden Pussy Syndrome.

[QUOTE=Lebruno;2577311]Ah. Whats GPS? Perhaps we need to add this to the "Forum Abbreviations" section![/QUOTE]See Post #2 of the FAQ thread:

[URL]http://www.usasexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?15100-Sugarbaby-Thread-Highlights-Index-and-FAQ[/URL]

Notes from my most recent trip.

I initially reach out to many of the females on SA based on what they described in the "what are you looking for section". It is kind of difficult lining up females when you are just visiting the area. But I try to sell them on the idea that I will be visiting area regularly. I have lost a lot of females when they find out I am not actually located in the area where I usually visit. I have been trying to nail down at least one regular that's reliable and consistent. But I may be looking for that elusive unicorn for a traveling or should I visiting SD since and visit these two area regularly.

I ended up finalizing my list down to five ladies prior to my trip. I learned my lesson previously relying on one POT. I ended up meeting up with 4 of the five ladies. **Out of the four I met I ended up going to the FC with two of them.

Female 1: We have some past history together. I have known her for quite some time, we managed to meet up two times in the past but nothing happened. The reason nothing never happen in the past was partially due to me being a newbie and not being aggressive and upfront about what I want and expected. She was one of this first ladies I met on a sugar site. I kept in contact with her via texting here and there and she would communicate with me. Sometimes I will get a surprise nude picture. So I never cut her off completely. But I was getting tired of not being able to meet with her during my previous trips. This time it was different I give advance notice of my upcoming trip to ensure that she was available. I don't know it was different this time because previously she didn't have a vehicle and relied exclusively on her mother for transportation. But with her being employed full time now and having her own vehicle maybe the time I put in is starting to pay dividends. When I arrived we agreed to meet up at an apartment where she stayed with her family. We agreed that we would go to a restaurant and head to the FC afterwards. Some of these females don't understand the concept of time, she was about two hours late but since I was only picking up at the apartment. I was able to stay where I was at until she confirmed she was ready. We went to dinner talked for a while, after dinner was over. I ask her if she was coming with me, she confirmed. That's when I whipped out my phone and purchase a room using the hotel*tonight*app. Its an app that gives you last minute deals at hotels in the area at great prices. It prevents you from booking a hotel in advance and the having a no show or a SB change her mind at the last minutes. You can literally book the room while having dinner or when you are outside the hotel. In the past I just spent money on food that was it. I purchased a gift for her birthday recently. She never asked for anything during the time I have known her. She just wanted someone to treat her nice that's it. The watch cost me about $100, she absolutely loved it. I felt it was a small price to pay and after running in various girls. When you find one like this you don't mind doing helping out or showing your appreciation. The trip to the FC cost me the room at $65 for the night and dinner at a sports lounge where she wanted to go for $47. She is excited about the next visit and she wants to do the same thing again when I am in town.

I will be back with the report on Female 2, 3, 4, & 5.