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[QUOTE=Mike7794;2570425]Ha my money is on you keeping the virgin.[/QUOTE]Do virgins bring like good luck or something. Just tonite alone I have had like 4 POTS say something to the effect of "I'm so exited to meet you. I'm only 19 and new to all this. You pay a $ a date? Sure whatever, how fast can I meet you?" but its like a catch 22, if I fuck the POTS then the virgin won't want me. LOL.
[QUOTE=JeezLizard;2570460]No, I wasn't joking. And, I didn't mean for my own benefit. In my line of work I can make money simply by shifting my focus to whatever industry is benefitting from current policy. In terms of my own income or tax situation it really matters little whether Bush or Obama is in office. I was referring to the economy overall and what it means to most people.
A lot of people express a political preference based on how their own personal situation is affected. My preferences are not shaped by such a narrow focus. There is fact and there is opinion. Our economy is in better shape, that much cannot be denied.
Even still that's getting pretty off topic. What might be an interesting topic is to discuss how the economy affects SB activity. I've always heard that the "pro" market gets better in tough economic times (makes sense to me). Is the same true for SBs? When unemployment is down, are they less likely to seek additional funding sources? I'm guessing their behavior is fairly inelastic, because it is fueled more by the desire for nice things and the lower income that naturally comes with youth (regardless of the state of the economy).[/QUOTE]Okay well I have an idea of what industry you're talking about, but it doesn't matter.
I do care who is in office and it doesn't matter if it benefits me, however if the philosophy of our forefathers and a monetary system pre Federal Reserve Act of 1912 were instituted I and everyone else would benefit socially and financially. I must respond without getting into a political discussion regarding the back and forth you and HWG had about the economy is good and all is well. The economy is still not good and all is not well. The reason things "look well" is because of the Fed. pumping money into the economy and stock market, The stock market has not been behaving like it used to for a few years now. What I mean by that is I used to be able to chart stocks and had several analysis to confirm a favorable chart pattern by a company. You can't do that anymore. It is almost like all of it is artificial, because the Fed keeps propping up the market by printing money. No the economy if not doing well. It is artificially doing well. It is my belief we are in for a fall on a larger scale than 2008 and sooner than people think. It is my belief the dollar will debase itself and we will have a world currency someday. Thank the Fed for the bipolar ride its policies have created that has scared the world who rely on the dollar for trade.
Lastly one could argue for both sides regarding SB's and unemployment being low. I agree regarding the Pros. If the SB's are working in a low tax society they would be better able to have the nice things, but in a higher taxed society they might be working, and paying their bills, but are pretty much working paycheck to paycheck, because of the insanely high taxed society we are in. People just don't realize how incredibly taxed we are, and it started way before our current socialist leader.
[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;2570700]Do virgins bring like good luck or something. Just tonite alone I have had like 4 POTS say something to the effect of "I'm so exited to meet you. I'm only 19 and new to all this. You pay a $ a date? Sure whatever, how fast can I meet you?" but its like a catch 22, if I fuck the POTS then the virgin won't want me. LOL.[/QUOTE]No good luck. Just rare.
Maybe don't have the virgin live with you, then maybe you can have both. I know easier said than done.
[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;2570700]Do virgins bring like good luck or something. Just tonite alone I have had like 4 POTS say something to the effect of "I'm so exited to meet you. I'm only 19 and new to all this. You pay a $ a date? Sure whatever, how fast can I meet you?" but its like a catch 22, if I fuck the POTS then the virgin won't want me. LOL.[/QUOTE]HWG, I have to admire your magic touch.
I have never once had any SB say "I'm so exited to meet you. I'm only 19 and new to all this. You pay a $ a date? Sure whatever, how fast can I meet you?
First, if they are 19, they will most likely flake and not show up, even if they have agreed on the amount.
Second, if they are "new to this", they are just playing around on the site for kicks and will most likely flake and not show up.
Third, if the are 19 and attractive, they likely suffer from GPS, and will ask for more if they show up.
If they say "how fast can you meet up", you better agree to see them within 24 hours or they will be moving on to the next guy.
JMHO.
God, I love this forum.
[QUOTE=Mike7794;2570755]Okay well I have an idea of what industry you're talking about, but it doesn't matter.[/QUOTE]I wasn't speaking about any one industry, I was saying that my line of work is somewhat versatile in the sense I can pump money out of whatever is on politically. If we are creating frivolous wars with countries based on trumped up falsehoods, I can shift my focus to the DoD or wherever money is being spent. If we are focusing on being a "green" nation I can shift my focus there and make money that way. That's all I meant.
[QUOTE=Mike7794;2570755]
I do care who is in office and it doesn't matter if it benefits me, however if the philosophy of our forefathers and a monetary system pre Federal Reserve Act of 1912 were instituted I and everyone else would benefit socially and financially. I must respond without getting into a political discussion regarding the back and forth you and HWG had about the economy is good and all is well. The economy is still not good and all is not well. The reason things "look well" is because of the Fed. pumping money into the economy and stock market, The stock market has not been behaving like it used to for a few years now. What I mean by that is I used to be able to chart stocks and had several analysis to confirm a favorable chart pattern by a company. You can't do that anymore. It is almost like all of it is artificial, because the Fed keeps propping up the market by printing money. No the economy if not doing well. It is artificially doing well. It is my belief we are in for a fall on a larger scale than 2008 and sooner than people think. It is my belief the dollar will debase itself and we will have a world currency someday. Thank the Fed for the bipolar ride its policies have created that has scared the world who rely on the dollar for trade.
[/QUOTE]If I were going to extend this discussion, I would just summarize by saying take a look at a historical graph of the stock market during the Bush era versus during the Obama era, and tell me which one looks more "bipolar"? There is and always has been a lot of artificial manipulation of the stock market. The stock market itself, and the fact that it causes these organizations to care more about what they can present to their shareholders at the quarterly dog and pony show is one of the biggest problems in itself. It has encouraged a level of short-term thinking that is starting to show its flaws. The business methods that the good ole boy network got comfortable with were not sustainable and not able to adapt to a changing world. It seems Karl Marx was right in that capitalism inevitably destroys itself over the long haul. We are all going to have to face the fact that what does and doesn't work is going to change more rapidly than it did in the past, it's changing more rapidly for us than it did for our forefathers. Speaking of whom, the moment Reagan decided that printing money beyond what was in the federal reserve was a good idea, he basically sealed our fate and fucked us all.
I know I may have just opened a can of worms. I don't see this as the right place for politics though so I will bow out of this leg of the discussion.
[QUOTE=JeezLizard;2570938]
I don't see this as the right place for politics.[/QUOTE]I agree. Unless the politics impacts Mongering.
[QUOTE=JoeBogus;2570779]I have never once had any SB say "I'm so exited to meet you. I'm only 19 and new to all this. You pay a $ a date? Sure whatever, how fast can I meet you?
If they say "how fast can you meet up", you better agree to see them within 24 hours or they will be moving on to the next guy.
[/QUOTE]I actually plan on meeting up with one 19 year old this afternoon. Because of exactly what you just said. My magic and bs is not working on the virgin, at all. LOL So I guess I am done trying. She can stay here for food and a roof, IDC. In the mean time I am going to look for some real pussy. Also got a 29 year old with her own apt that I can fuck tonite. Only 5' tall and small. If she is truly small this could be a good booty call.
[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;2570700]Do virgins bring like good luck or something. Just tonite alone I have had like 4 POTS say something to the effect of "I'm so exited to meet you. I'm only 19 and new to all this. You pay a $ a date? Sure whatever, how fast can I meet you?" but its like a catch 22, if I fuck the POTS then the virgin won't want me. LOL.[/QUOTE]Fuck the POTs in front of the vigin. Maybe that will get her wet and want some sock. LOL.
[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;2571057]I actually plan on meeting up with one 19 year old this afternoon. Because of exactly what you just said. My magic and bs is not working on the virgin, at all. LOL So I guess I am done trying. She can stay here for food and a roof, IDC. In the mean time I am going to look for some real pussy. Also got a 29 year old with her own apt that I can fuck tonite. Only 5' tall and small. If she is truly small this could be a good booty call.[/QUOTE]Hollywood,
I've been following your exploits over the past several months and am surprised no one has weighed in on this before. Perhaps you have already thought of this, but just in case not I wanted to point out something that might very well come back to kick your ass big time. As I read it, you now have a disenfranchised 20 something, with no further loyalty to you, staying in your house for the next 10 days, unsupervised and I assume free to roam at will.
WTF! Which drawers in your desk or dresser would you most hate for her to open? What file cabinet contains your financials, passwords, real name, etc etc? I am guessing that you are not living in a totally sterile environment, and the fact that this virgin of yours is now on the way out would give me serious pause about what kind of damage she could do, now or in the future when she has had a chance to reflect on the fact that you stole her cherry and now she is back in Hawaii or wherever and is feeling totally fucked, in all senses of the phrase.
Add that to the fact that, as you say, her parents have money and it all seems to add up to a potentially serious situation for you, reputationally if not legally.
The internet is all-seeing, all-pervasive, and never forgets. What if your next client googles you and sees that you took advantage of a barely-legal ingenue, new to the States? How does that conversation proceed? Not trying to harsh, my brother, but just wondering. If you are completely made of Teflon, then I salute you and acknowledge you are the first of your kind I have met in all my years in the Bowl, but if not you might think about damage control at this point. Yikes, I know it would make me pause to reconsider!!
Again, not harshing, but just questioning your decision if what you relate is in fact the truth in this situation.
Stay strong my brother.
Scott.
F Scott:
I may be wrong but I'm guessing HWG (or anyone who makes their living on the 'Net) probably doesn't leave important passwords written down on paper, or leave important financial docs unlocked. I used to have an entire strategy around that sort of thing for those times when I found myself bringing home a one night stand (never know, she could go through my shit when I sleep) or similar. Even today my live-in girlfriend has no access to my computers or phone or anything I have not specifically left available to her.
There are still risks though -- an SB could psycho out, trash the place or whatever. I knew one asian girl who went through her boyfriends (not me) closet with a razor and slit every garment he owned for cheating on her. But, most people don't want to go to jail.
You bring up some very good points about reputation getting trashed, online revenge sites and impact on career, etc. This is a risk to all of us I think. There is definitely an art to taking a situation with the potential to spin out of control and defusing it, just as there is an art to avoiding the kind of people who would start that type of situation up. One thing HWG has in his corner is that he's not married and thus not an ideal target for blackmail or similar games. In my opinion as long as he doesn't encounter a super-crazy one, he is at relatively low risk of this sort of thing, but yes it can happen to anyone and IMO most SDs should follow the anonymity practice I've talked about here.
I think he said no cherry was busted. IMO if she had lost her virginity to him she would be behaving very differently, and I have serious doubts that she's been honest about being a virgin at all -- the sum of her behavior just doesn't add up. But, he sees things we don't so who knows.
If there was one thing I would say "what were you thinking to" it would be spending $1500 on her without getting laid, but it's not for me to judge. I still feel gifting only after the fact is the best avoidance of over spending.
[QUOTE=FScott;2571287]Hollywood,
I've been following your exploits over the past several months and am surprised no one has weighed in on this before. Perhaps you have already thought of this, but just in case not I wanted to point out something that might very well come back to kick your ass big time. As I read it, you now have a disenfranchised 20 something, with no further loyalty to you, staying in your house for the next 10 days, unsupervised and I assume free to roam at will.
WTF! Which drawers in your desk or dresser would you most hate for her to open? What file cabinet contains your financials, passwords, real name, etc etc? I am guessing that you are not living in a totally sterile environment, and the fact that this virgin of yours is now on the way out would give me serious pause about what kind of damage she could do, now or in the future when she has had a chance to reflect on the fact that you stole her cherry and now she is back in Hawaii or wherever and is feeling totally fucked, in all senses of the phrase.
Add that to the fact that, as you say, her parents have money and it all seems to add up to a potentially serious situation for you, reputationally if not legally.
The internet is all-seeing, all-pervasive, and never forgets. What if your next client googles you and sees that you took advantage of a barely-legal ingenue, new to the States? How does that conversation proceed? Not trying to harsh, my brother, but just wondering. If you are completely made of Teflon, then I salute you and acknowledge you are the first of your kind I have met in all my years in the Bowl, but if not you might think about damage control at this point. Yikes, I know it would make me pause to reconsider!!
Again, not harshing, but just questioning your decision if what you relate is in fact the truth in this situation.
Stay strong my brother.
Scott.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=JeezLizard;2570938]I wasn't speaking about any one industry, I was saying that my line of work is somewhat versatile in the sense I can pump money out of whatever is on politically. If we are creating frivolous wars with countries based on trumped up falsehoods, I can shift my focus to the DoD or wherever money is being spent. If we are focusing on being a "green" nation I can shift my focus there and make money that way. That's all I meant.
If I were going to extend this discussion, I would just summarize by saying take a look at a historical graph of the stock market during the Bush era versus during the Obama era, and tell me which one looks more "bipolar"? There is and always has been a lot of artificial manipulation of the stock market. The stock market itself, and the fact that it causes these organizations to care more about what they can present to their shareholders at the quarterly dog and pony show is one of the biggest problems in itself. It has encouraged a level of short-term thinking that is starting to show its flaws. The business methods that the good ole boy network got comfortable with were not sustainable and not able to adapt to a changing world. It seems Karl Marx was right in that capitalism inevitably destroys itself over the long haul. We are all going to have to face the fact that what does and doesn't work is going to change more rapidly than it did in the past, it's changing more rapidly for us than it did for our forefathers. Speaking of whom, the moment Reagan decided that printing money beyond what was in the federal reserve was a good idea, he basically sealed our fate and fucked us all.
I know I may have just opened a can of worms. I don't see this as the right place for politics though so I will bow out of this leg of the discussion.[/QUOTE]Okay lets not get in a pissing match about semantics. Huh? Industry? What do you call George Soros' work where he can make money whatever fluctuations in the market, currencies, and precious metals flow up or down? That is what I was talking about. I wasn't attacking you. You're wound too tight today/tonight. That's a sign you need more pussy.
I cannot disagree more with your second paragraph. This discussion will launch into politics and this forum isn't for that. I will only say this Reagan didn't fuck us. The people in this country with a socialist agenda would only say that. He defeated the Communist model and proving if you took both systems down the path of spending into oblivion the Capitalist model could endure longer than the Communist model. It was absolutely brilliant. Did it take us deeper into debt? Yes but it was better than having the cold war. It was like a business deal. Sometimes you give up something to get what you want/need. If you want to throw blame to the entire economic look at the Federal Reserve. That is the root of all of our economic problems. I must stop there, because I could go on and on about the Federal Reserve (A publicly held company) not a government agency.
[QUOTE=FScott;2571287]Hollywood,
I've been following your exploits over the past several months and am surprised no one has weighed in on this before. Perhaps you have already thought of this, but just in case not I wanted to point out something that might very well come back to kick your ass big time. As I read it, you now have a disenfranchised 20 something, with no further loyalty to you, staying in your house for the next 10 days, unsupervised and I assume free to roam at will.
WTF! Which drawers in your desk or dresser would you most hate for her to open? What file cabinet contains your financials, passwords, real name, etc etc? I am guessing that you are not living in a totally sterile environment, and the fact that this virgin of yours is now on the way out would give me serious pause about what kind of damage she could do, now or in the future when she has had a chance to reflect on the fact that you stole her cherry and now she is back in Hawaii or wherever and is feeling totally fucked, in all senses of the phrase.
Add that to the fact that, as you say, her parents have money and it all seems to add up to a potentially serious situation for you, reputationally if not legally.
The internet is all-seeing, all-pervasive, and never forgets. What if your next client googles you and sees that you took advantage of a barely-legal ingenue, new to the States? How does that conversation proceed? Not trying to harsh, my brother, but just wondering. If you are completely made of Teflon, then I salute you and acknowledge you are the first of your kind I have met in all my years in the Bowl, but if not you might think about damage control at this point. Yikes, I know it would make me pause to reconsider!!
Again, not harshing, but just questioning your decision if what you relate is in fact the truth in this situation.
Stay strong my brother.
Scott.[/QUOTE]There is nothing illegal about living with an 18 year old. And I have been with hundreds of women in my life. She is as cool a person as you would ever want to meet. I trust my gut. And actually do not have any reservations at all. We are just not a lust match.
[QUOTE=JeezLizard;2571329]F Scott:
I may be wrong but I'm guessing HWG (or anyone who makes their living on the 'Net) probably doesn't leave important passwords written down on paper, or leave important financial docs unlocked. I used to have an entire strategy around that sort of thing for those times when I found myself bringing home a one night stand (never know, she could go through my shit when I sleep) or similar. Even today my live-in girlfriend has no access to my computers or phone or anything I have not specifically left available to her.
There are still risks though -- an SB could psycho out, trash the place or whatever. I knew one asian girl who went through her boyfriends (not me) closet with a razor and slit every garment he owned for cheating on her. But, most people don't want to go to jail.
You bring up some very good points about reputation getting trashed, online revenge sites and impact on career, etc. This is a risk to all of us I think. There is definitely an art to taking a situation with the potential to spin out of control and defusing it, just as there is an art to avoiding the kind of people who would start that type of situation up. One thing HWG has in his corner is that he's not married and thus not an ideal target for blackmail or similar games. In my opinion as long as he doesn't encounter a super-crazy one, he is at relatively low risk of this sort of thing, but yes it can happen to anyone and IMO most SDs should follow the anonymity practice I've talked about here.
I think he said no cherry was busted. IMO if she had lost her virginity to him she would be behaving very differently, and I have serious doubts that she's been honest about being a virgin at all -- the sum of her behavior just doesn't add up. But, he sees things we don't so who knows.
If there was one thing I would say "what were you thinking to" it would be spending $1500 on her without getting laid, but it's not for me to judge. I still feel gifting only after the fact is the best avoidance of over spending.[/QUOTE]With minimal knowledge she could rob me blind. Thats not what going on here. She is a sweet and innocent girl with family nearby that just has a little adventure streak in her.
[QUOTE=JeezLizard;2571329]F Scott:
I may be wrong but I'm guessing HWG (or anyone who makes their living on the 'Net) probably doesn't leave important passwords written down on paper, or leave important financial docs unlocked. I used to have an entire strategy around that sort of thing for those times when I found myself bringing home a one night stand (never know, she could go through my shit when I sleep) or similar. Even today my live-in girlfriend has no access to my computers or phone or anything I have not specifically left available to her.
There are still risks though -- an SB could psycho out, trash the place or whatever. I knew one asian girl who went through her boyfriends (not me) closet with a razor and slit every garment he owned for cheating on her. But, most people don't want to go to jail.
You bring up some very good points about reputation getting trashed, online revenge sites and impact on career, etc. This is a risk to all of us I think. There is definitely an art to taking a situation with the potential to spin out of control and defusing it, just as there is an art to avoiding the kind of people who would start that type of situation up. One thing HWG has in his corner is that he's not married and thus not an ideal target for blackmail or similar games. In my opinion as long as he doesn't encounter a super-crazy one, he is at relatively low risk of this sort of thing, but yes it can happen to anyone and IMO most SDs should follow the anonymity practice I've talked about here.
I think he said no cherry was busted. IMO if she had lost her virginity to him she would be behaving very differently, and I have serious doubts that she's been honest about being a virgin at all -- the sum of her behavior just doesn't add up. But, he sees things we don't so who knows.
If there was one thing I would say "what were you thinking to" it would be spending $1500 on her without getting laid, but it's not for me to judge. I still feel gifting only after the fact is the best avoidance of over spending.[/QUOTE]She was a virgin to having a dick in her. Was anything else ever in there. Maybe. But at this point she has told me about every person she has ever been with and what they did sexually. Very little. We did fuck once.
But like today. I cant really walk, just took a pain pill and she isnt the least bit annoying. She stopped spending any of my cash and actually eats on 10 dollars a day. I imagine she will be gone in a day or two.. but if not. she is willing to leave when I have a date, and I have three potentially lined up for the weekend. She is talking to both her parents regularly to figure out her situation.
I like pussy as much as the next guy, but I also like adventure, and can afford the time and the money to have one now and again. Its the 99% of guys that are all on the other threads that really are just too conservative. Yes there is plenty of risk that they take. Especially if they like walkers. This is a totally different kind of risk. There is more emotion being risked here by both parties than anything else.
[QUOTE=Mike7794;2571709]Okay lets not get in a pissing match about semantics. Huh? Industry? What do you call George Soros' work where he can make money whatever fluctuations in the market, currencies, and precious metals flow up or down? That is what I was talking about. I wasn't attacking you. You're wound too tight today/tonight. That's a sign you need more pussy. [/QUOTE]Not wound tight, and my supply of pussy is the same as it is every day. I didn't think you were attacking me at all, nor was I remotely bothered. I just said it's not the place for politics. Take it elsewhere.
[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;2571727]She was a virgin to having a dick in her. Was anything else ever in there. Maybe. But at this point she has told me about every person she has ever been with and what they did sexually. Very little. We did fuck once.[/QUOTE]Ok, I misread some of your posts or maybe missed a few, my bad -- it happens. I do think her behavior as I've read it is very unlike someone who just lost their virginity, but that's just an outsider opinion only and you know what they say about opinions.
[QUOTE=JeezLizard;2571804]Ok, I misread some of your posts or maybe missed a few, my bad -- it happens. I do think her behavior as I've read it is very unlike someone who just lost their virginity, but that's just an outsider opinion only and you know what they say about opinions.[/QUOTE]Its like when I fucked my church girl in the ass on our second date. I was like "babe, this is awesome, but daddys big dick just slid all the way up in there, how is that possible"?
(as she said her ass was virgin)
She said, "oh I've been practicing with my toy". So who the f knows. LOL.
[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;2571764]I like pussy as much as the next guy, but I also like adventure, and can afford the time and the money to have one now and again. Its the 99% of guys that are all on the other threads that really are just too conservative. Yes there is plenty of risk that they take. Especially if they like walkers. This is a totally different kind of risk. There is more emotion being risked here by both parties than anything else.[/QUOTE]Tell me about emotional risk. My SB and I after several months of seeing each other had the "exclusive" conversation. We also barebacked for the first time last night. It was my first bareback session in 6 years. I performed for about two hours straight and had to fight off saying the "L" word during pillow talk. There's something about a 23 year old spinner, and a soaking wet vagina covering your penis that makes you emotionally vulnerable. LOL.
Been out of the bowl for 10 mths now due to warden issues. The itch got to me and I set up a new profile on SA and contacted a bunch of women, including a profile w / o a picture. She messaged back and we exchanged emails and she sent a hot pic, no face shown. Hmmm I thought. I used her name and email to do a background check, and with her name got 1 person, a college student out of state with a recent DUI. Usually I get facebook twitter etc. Again Hmmm, she sent me a number to text / call her, and burnt up my email. When I checked the number, got no name attached. But the address showed up as the local sheriff's office. Needless to say, I closed my account.
Food for thought for the paranoid amongst us. Maybe it is god telling me enough already. I certainly have had my share.
[QUOTE=Beachesnole02;2572155]Been out of the bowl for 10 mths now due to warden issues. The itch got to me and I set up a new profile on SA and contacted a bunch of women, including a profile w / o a picture. She messaged back and we exchanged emails and she sent a hot pic, no face shown. Hmmm I thought. I used her name and email to do a background check, and with her name got 1 person, a college student out of state with a recent DUI. Usually I get facebook twitter etc. Again Hmmm, she sent me a number to text / call her, and burnt up my email. When I checked the number, got no name attached. But the address showed up as the local sheriff's office. Needless to say, I closed my account.
Food for thought for the paranoid amongst us. Maybe it is god telling me enough already. I certainly have had my share.[/QUOTE]With my method of no up front money discussion, this kind of thing becomes a complete non-issue. So maybe it is a cop with a fake pic, who cares if you haven't broken the law? It completely liberates you to focus on other things.
I've found linking phone numbers to addresses to be completely unreliable due to rapid turnover of burner phone and other disposable phone numbers so that part wouldn't concern me enough to hold off for a meeting.
I'm not sure the lack of FB / twitter is really a red flag. I like to research them a little before hand, but some girls will use fake names, etc. A lot of them exclude their face from sexy (nude or semi nude etc.) pics, but it's not unreasonable to ask for a normal pic showing face, assuming you've sent one of yourself. I wouldn't meet her without that, because she could send a pic of anyone then a hog shows up for the M&G, wasting time.
[QUOTE=HoyaSvnFgr;2572017]Tell me about emotional risk. My SB and I after several months of seeing each other had the "exclusive" conversation. We also barebacked for the first time last night. It was my first bareback session in 6 years. I performed for about two hours straight and had to fight off saying the "L" word during pillow talk. There's something about a 23 year old spinner, and a soaking wet vagina covering your penis that makes you emotionally vulnerable. LOL.[/QUOTE]Yesterday I decided to confront my ATF about her feelings of despair because I am not and will never be her official BF. I tell her I love her everyday and vise versa. I caught her on FB talking about her IRL BF. I did not confront her with that, just the overall situation. You are never going to have the insane over the top sex with a SB if you don't get to the I love you stage. Even if you both know its just play acting. Because in the moment it can still feel real. Just MHO.
So yesterday the virgin decided that we are not going to be having anymore sex. She asked for a little money and I told her no way. I spent enough already. Our 8 official dates came out to almost $$ per FC visit. I told her that was enough and if she just wanted to show her gratitude for everything I already did, then fine. But no more cash.
I have only been spending like .1 a day since she got back so she can eat. I have already planned four dates for the weekend (knowing maybe 2 could flake). But two are for sure. So she can just stay here till whenever as long as she stays out of my way. All she has to do is leave for a couple hours when the girls show up. And there is plenty to do and see in hollywood. So she can be a tourist for a bit while I am busy. We are all good. No drama. And I like having her around just to lighten the mood around here.
[QUOTE=JeezLizard;2572244]With my method of no up front money discussion, this kind of thing becomes a complete non-issue. So maybe it is a cop with a fake pic, who cares if you haven't broken the law? It completely liberates you to focus on other things.
I've found linking phone numbers to addresses to be completely unreliable due to rapid turnover of burner phone and other disposable phone numbers so that part wouldn't concern me enough to hold off for a meeting.
I'm not sure the lack of FB / twitter is really a red flag. I like to research them a little before hand, but some girls will use fake names, etc. A lot of them exclude their face from sexy (nude or semi nude etc.) pics, but it's not unreasonable to ask for a normal pic showing face, assuming you've sent one of yourself. I wouldn't meet her without that, because she could send a pic of anyone then a hog shows up for the M&G, wasting time.[/QUOTE]Contacted me again about 20 minutes ago, I asked for a real photo and got another image that looked stock. And a different phone number to text. This one links to no address. I would not have been overly concerned about no address, but to have the sherriff's office address was one of those where if I got into trouble, how stupid was I for proceeding when I had seen that.
There are a bazillion women willing to fuck. Why roll the dice. Might be coincidence, might be they are taking a look.
[QUOTE=Beachesnole02;2572322]Contacted me again about 20 minutes ago, I asked for a real photo and got another image that looked stock. And a different phone number to text. This one links to no address. I would not have been overly concerned about no address, but to have the sherriff's office address was one of those where if I got into trouble, how stupid was I for proceeding when I had seen that.
There are a bazillion women willing to fuck. Why roll the dice. Might be coincidence, might be they are taking a look.[/QUOTE]Filtering out the dicey ones is not a bad strategy. I have to do that myself when I'm in SD mode as a simple matter of time management. If there's anything remotely dangerous about them I just forget them and move on. Better to identify a problem early on. But, if I were a full time SD I might do things different as long as I wasn't at legal risk.
Attempting to generalize about Asians is like trying to generalize about Caucasians. Basically, it doesn't work. Think about it in these terms: Octoberfest is not universal to all Caucasians.
Sure, stereotypes often have a basis in fact, but if you're going to try to stereotype Asian girls, it needs to be done by nationality, not race. The same all holds true with Latinas.
Korean girls are different than Thai girls, both are different than Viet girls, and all are different from the American version of their counterparts.
So is it just me, or have others noticed a trend with the young pots they are meeting and their love of electronic dance music (EDM). Almost every pot I have met who is under 23 is absolutely crazy about it.
Ended up buying my blonde swim instructor a monthly subscription to Pandora (the music service). Talk about cheap bang for your buck (literally). $5 a month is nothing to me, but she loves it. Added bonus is that because its monthly, it helps to remind her of another perk that will be lost if she steps out of line.
Agree with you about the crazy sex and the I love you stage. Something about having emotion in the mix that makes sec better. The problem though is that I have found that some women can't separate the play acting from real life. Then, once they get emotionally attached, it becomes a different kind of game entirely.
Life is just a series of tradeoffs though I guess.
[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;2572286]Yesterday I decided to confront my ATF about her feelings of despair because I am not and will never be her official BF. I tell her I love her everyday and vise versa. I caught her on FB talking about her IRL BF. I did not confront her with that, just the overall situation. You are never going to have the insane over the top sex with a SB if you don't get to the I love you stage. Even if you both know its just play acting. Because in the moment it can still feel real. Just MHO.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=IluvSmellyFish;2573030]Attempting to generalize about Asians is like trying to generalize about Caucasians. Basically, it doesn't work. Think about it in these terms: Octoberfest is not universal to all Caucasians.
Sure, stereotypes often have a basis in fact, but if you're going to try to stereotype Asian girls, it needs to be done by nationality, not race. The same all holds true with Latinas.
Korean girls are different than Thai girls, both are different than Viet girls, and all are different from the American version of their counterparts.[/QUOTE]But do you realize that by pointing out that Korean girls are different than Thai girls -- you've just made a generalization of sorts? The fact that you noticed that there is a cultural difference between women from the two countries and that they are both different than white girls is in itself saying that there is a pattern of behavioral difference there. My earlier comments were not to say all Asians or Latinas do this or that, it was just to point out that once you've dated literally countless numbers of each demographic (and I mean dated, not paid for sex) you start to notice patterns that emerge more often in one demographic than another.
Yes I could absolutely identify traits that are more likely to appear in white, Latina or Asian girls assuming they have some fairly recent cultural tie to their country of origin. If they were adopted shortly after birth and grew up completely in the USA they are not going to have much cultural influence from another country, so in a case of "extreme Americanization" it is all bets off.
My experience with AA is much less vast -- I can discuss patterns I've noticed there but it's working from a much smaller sample size and I'm sure my findings would be less accurate than if you talked to someone who specializes in that demographic like HWG does.
But yes, patterns can be recognized and generalizations can be made. Asians and Latinas generalize about their own culture because they are in touch with their own people and know what to expect. Sometimes you even hear them say "I hate _ (insert this or that" about their own culture, and they will highlight something behavioral that occurs frequently among folks from their country that is different from Americans. Those differences form the basis of the generalizations.
The 18 year old virgin is still here to keep me company, but no sex or sexy flirting even. We are sleeping in the same bed but nothin going on in there except sleep. We just went to the friend mode completely. Her parents are sending her money and I am spending my .1 a day for her meals. I like having her around. She does not look her age at all. Not an attraction for many, but I like different types, and her type is one I will never tire of.
I will never forget her soft little voice begging me to get off.
I have a date at noon today with an old flame that is managing to sneak out for a bit. I'll see my ATF tomorrow night. I have really interviewed a lot of POTS this week. Out of all the POTS two to four look good, but 2 are super promising. One is 19 and so horny and needy she is ready to burst. And the other is 29 and very close by with her own place and super shy (always a big plus). Since I have been slowing it down a bit over the summer I have had a chance to take the 5 steps and really re-write them to fit me more personally. So as to find the type of girl I am looking for on an emotional and psychological level. I originally wrote the steps as sort of an every man guide to getting pussy. Including me.
But once you have used those steps, based on feedback from the girls, you should greatly modify them to better reflect your self and your circumstances and desires. This is one reason I hit up every type of girl (even though I still only date my type physically) so I can get a general consensus of what they are thinking. I have really tweeked them to better fit my ability to snag some of the harder to get types. The ones that are most likely not going to last long on the site. They will be gone off the site fast if they can't find a guy with added value above and beyond the sugar. Arrogance and rude talk with overdoses of sugar do not entice this type of girl. They may ask for more sugar upfront but back down quickly when they see the added value they are really looking for.
The true GPS girls seem to always be the ones that are already truly spoiled. Or the ones with good jobs, or recently divorced, or old enough to have real bills or in some kind of real financial trouble. Some of course are the super hotties but a lot of average girls are GPS as well. So either they want a huge score or nothing. It still really comes down to finding the emotionally and physically needy ones that have enough going on to cover most of their bills. This is really just gravy for them financially. More like just having a rich BF kind of thing. Some can't cover their nut but most can and just need the sugar for girly things and guilty pleasures or the occasional unexpected expense. I would say my ATF spends about half of what I give her on bills and the other half on extras. So there is alwaya a little pressure around the 1st to pay rent.
The first time SB's will always be the best and the most challenging in a lot of ways. Their lack of experience can be a two edged sword. But it's still usually the best scenario for me. Even knowing its always a crap shoot in the best of circumstances as to the longevity of any relationship. I think the GPS girls really fall into two main categories. The ones that are not going to go out with you for under $$$ to $$$$ no matter what. Unless you catch them on the exact day they are totally desperate. And that would only end up in a one or two time fling. Because once they get over the hump they are going to go right back to sticking to their guns.
Then there is another type. The new girls that are just protecting themselves they think from the A holes so if they fuck up (or have to date below their level in any way) at least they have something to show for it afterward. Convince that girl that you can offer far more than the sugar and the GPS melts pretty fast.
Unfortunately I did not leverage the recession to buy low and sell high. My biggest regret was not buying Ford Motor when it hit bottom at the end of 2008 (and then went up over 10 times in the next 2 years). I grew up with the adage that whats good for General Motors is good for the country (and they went bust). So instead of following my gut and in spite of my better instincts I held my assets close and spent out of my savings to cover my nut until maybe this year. My portfolio actually did go up during the recession (just very slowly) due to ultra conservative investing . And I passed on all the recent and amazing tech IPO's. So the $ plan is still in effect.
[QUOTE=IluvSmellyFish;2573039]So is it just me, or have others noticed a trend with the young pots they are meeting and their love of electronic dance music (EDM). Almost every pot I have met who is under 23 is absolutely crazy about it.
Ended up buying my blonde swim instructor a monthly subscription to Pandora (the music service). Talk about cheap bang for your buck (literally). $5 a month is nothing to me, but she loves it. Added bonus is that because its monthly, it helps to remind her of another perk that will be lost if she steps out of line.[/QUOTE]I have run into several POTs that are in love with EDM.
This genre is hugely popular with college age girls. The party scene is amazing. You should let your POT take you to one.
[QUOTE=JeezLizard;2572244]With my method of no up front money discussion, this kind of thing becomes a complete non-issue. So maybe it is a cop with a fake pic, who cares if you haven't broken the law? It completely liberates you to focus on other things.
I've found linking phone numbers to addresses to be completely unreliable due to rapid turnover of burner phone and other disposable phone numbers so that part wouldn't concern me enough to hold off for a meeting.
I'm not sure the lack of FB / twitter is really a red flag. I like to research them a little before hand, but some girls will use fake names, etc. A lot of them exclude their face from sexy (nude or semi nude etc.) pics, but it's not unreasonable to ask for a normal pic showing face, assuming you've sent one of yourself. I wouldn't meet her without that, because she could send a pic of anyone then a hog shows up for the M&G, wasting time.[/QUOTE]JL, how have / would you handle girls who, during the M&G but before heading to the FC, ask how much sugar they are going to get?
[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;2573163]
Unfortunately I did not leverage the recession to buy low and sell high. My biggest regret was not buying Ford Motor when it hit bottom at the end of 2008 (and then went up over 10 times in the next 2 years). I grew up with the adage that whats good for General Motors is good for the country (and they went bust). So instead of following my gut and in spite of my better instincts I held my assets close and spent out of my savings to cover my nut until maybe this year. My portfolio actually did go up during the recession (just very slowly) due to ultra conservative investing . And I passed on all the recent and amazing tech IPO's. So the $ plan is still in effect.[/QUOTE]Just to finish the description of my circumstances and where I was going with all of this. I did invest heavily into my own business during the recession. So even though my income dropped 75%, my ability to get back on track again is solid due to fat trimming, software upgrades, increased hiring, and better training of staff during that time. But the $ plan has done more than keep me within my budget. It has allowed me and forced me to dig deeper into the female psyche to be able to get what I really need to be satisfied. As opposed to just tossing money around and then not even being all that happy with the results beyond the shear physical beauty of the girls I was with.
I may have less trophy fucks (although many are still stunning), but I have dropped to the overall 8's in looks (mostly 7/9's . because for me, body trumps face). As opposed to going straight for the overall 9's and 10's, in spite of possibly encountering some psychological and/or bedroom skills deficiencies.
Even the virgin will hold a special place in my heart for years to come. She went against her nature in an effort to fix what she perceived to be a desperate situation, because in reality she is actually far from desperate. So what she lacked in skills she more than made up for in character, as she did her best to please me.
(And she did please me in so many ways).
[QUOTE=IluvSmellyFish;2573042]Agree with you about the crazy sex and the I love you stage. Something about having emotion in the mix that makes sec better. The problem though is that I have found that some women can't separate the play acting from real life. Then, once they get emotionally attached, it becomes a different kind of game entirely.
Life is just a series of tradeoffs though I guess.[/QUOTE]The SB matrix is awesome, but complicated in a sense. At the start, you're banging chicks left and right. Once you find one with substance you're moving at a faster pace. Because finances are discussed upfront and there's an open discourse on expectations. The relationship moves along faster than civi dating. I recall a girl I dated briefly that I met in a bar needed $100 for an out of state trip and I wouldn't budge. Whereas when my SB needed $1000 for rent I send it to her with no problem.
In a 9-month period of sugar dating I've banged between 20-30 girls. Maybe 5-6 were in regular rotation. The spinner that's now my GF was like a pin-needle stuck in my brain. No matter what happened or new SB that I had a fling with I knew I couldn't replace her. So we're now living together and nearing the "love you" stage. This morning she left to buy books for school and kissed me while in bed and said "have a good day, daddy".
The SB / SD mind f at *k is totally real. I don't know how this is going to end, but it's been an awesome ride since joining the bowl. I'm knocking the door on 40, so I'm a younger SD. When I look at my 23 yo, SB / GF walk around my penthouse with her tight ass and pu'see lips hanging out her panties all day I realize that everything is right in the world. God Bless America!
[QUOTE=IluvSmellyFish;2573039]So is it just me, or have others noticed a trend with the young pots they are meeting and their love of electronic dance music (EDM). Almost every pot I have met who is under 23 is absolutely crazy about it.
Ended up buying my blonde swim instructor a monthly subscription to Pandora (the music service). Talk about cheap bang for your buck (literally). $5 a month is nothing to me, but she loves it. Added bonus is that because its monthly, it helps to remind her of another perk that will be lost if she steps out of line.[/QUOTE]Current SB is in to this as well. To get sugar under control I gave my SB a credit card. The card has a decent limit on it. I've actually made out better by giving her a card. I pay the balance off monthly. Since she's had it she's never maxed it out. I observered her spending habits and it's a few subscription services for music, cosmetic refills and some day to day stuff like coffee, gas and food.
If things do fall out between is I'm sure she'd be taking a hit. At the stage we're at now I don't know how she could go back to regular dating for her age group.
[QUOTE=DogSun;2573187]JL, how have / would you handle girls who, during the M&G but before heading to the FC, ask how much sugar they are going to get?[/QUOTE]There is no canned script that would cover where I would take the conversation in every situation. Every social interaction is different, and how those interactions unfold starts with the very first e-mail or message. I don't send out form letters or work in bulk or batches.
So, short version of the story something like you describe has only happened once to me and it ended up with no trip to the FC.
But let's say a girl who I thought was a good POT ends up getting as far as the dinner table and asks me point blank like a little brat how much she's going to get. I'd turn it around on her psychologically, I. E. Is that the only reason she showed up for dinner? I'm interested in real SBs, ones who have some genuine chemistry so if that's all she showed up for there's the door. And yes your own will to walk away must be stronger than the propensity of your smaller head to dig into your wallet. Just basic salesman's self-discipline.
However I'd say once it gets to that point if I have to start playing psychological games with her, I have probably failed at my game somewhere higher up in the process. Game is not something you pull out a canned script in the eleventh hour for in order to pull off a quick win.
The goal of game is to make sure she's having such a good time from the initial meeting hug that she's not about to fuck things up by asking about money.
Don't get me wrong I run into this type of girl all the time. I just try to weed them out early in the process, long before it gets to M&G.
[QUOTE=JeezLizard;2573331]There is no canned script that would cover where I would take the conversation in every situation. Every social interaction is different, and how those interactions unfold starts with the very first e-mail or message. I don't send out form letters or work in bulk or batches.
So, short version of the story something like you describe has only happened once to me and it ended up with no trip to the FC.
But let's say a girl who I thought was a good POT ends up getting as far as the dinner table and asks me point blank like a little brat how much she's going to get. I'd turn it around on her psychologically, I. E. Is that the only reason she showed up for dinner? I'm interested in real SBs, ones who have some genuine chemistry so if that's all she showed up for there's the door. And yes your own will to walk away must be stronger than the propensity of your smaller head to dig into your wallet. Just basic salesman's self-discipline.
However I'd say once it gets to that point if I have to start playing psychological games with her, I have probably failed at my game somewhere higher up in the process. Game is not something you pull out a canned script in the eleventh hour for in order to pull off a quick win.
The goal of game is to make sure she's having such a good time from the initial meeting hug that she's not about to fuck things up by asking about money.
Don't get me wrong I run into this type of girl all the time. I just try to weed them out early in the process, long before it gets to M&G.[/QUOTE]One thing for sure. We are on opposite ends of the "how to play the game" spectrum. Although the end results may be the same. In my wildest dreams I can't imagine putting myself in any situation where an M&G couldn't lead straight to the FC due to a delay in a full understanding about everything possible prior to meeting anyone. But I do prefer the online and txt screening process. The in person meeting is just a quick once over to confirm what what was already needed to be known by both parties to proceed without delay. or dinner.
But is that 100% the way to go? Nothing ever is.
[QUOTE=JeezLizard;2573331]There is no canned script that would cover where I would take the conversation in every situation. Every social interaction is different, and how those interactions unfold starts with the very first e-mail or message. I don't send out form letters or work in bulk or batches.
So, short version of the story something like you describe has only happened once to me and it ended up with no trip to the FC.
But let's say a girl who I thought was a good POT ends up getting as far as the dinner table and asks me point blank like a little brat how much she's going to get. I'd turn it around on her psychologically, I. E. Is that the only reason she showed up for dinner? I'm interested in real SBs, ones who have some genuine chemistry so if that's all she showed up for there's the door. And yes your own will to walk away must be stronger than the propensity of your smaller head to dig into your wallet. Just basic salesman's self-discipline.
However I'd say once it gets to that point if I have to start playing psychological games with her, I have probably failed at my game somewhere higher up in the process. Game is not something you pull out a canned script in the eleventh hour for in order to pull off a quick win.
The goal of game is to make sure she's having such a good time from the initial meeting hug that she's not about to fuck things up by asking about money.
Don't get me wrong I run into this type of girl all the time. I just try to weed them out early in the process, long before it gets to M&G.[/QUOTE]Understood. I guess my question was much simpler than that. I should have asked, would you ever give her a price or no? I'm guessing not.
[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;2573379]One thing for sure. We are on opposite ends of the "how to play the game" spectrum. Although the end results may be the same. In my wildest dreams I can't imagine putting myself in any situation where an M&G couldn't lead straight to the FC due to a delay in a full understanding about everything possible prior to meeting anyone. But I do prefer the online and txt screening process. The in person meeting is just a quick once over to confirm what what was already needed to be known by both parties to proceed without delay. or dinner.
But is that 100% the way to go? Nothing ever is.[/QUOTE]Our methodologies are very different. You've streamlined your methods to maximize how often you get laid and to work a single, highly populated area where you are able to bring girls to your place, etc. As a way to satisfy ongoing sexual needs. My daily sexual needs are met well enough, so my methods are designed to maximize the amount of pussy I can get in a relatively short time window with which I am able to play, away from home and in multiple cities. So, I literally start lining them up weeks in advance and I've had ample time to run the game on them during the preparation stage.
No doubt I would do things differently if I were a full-time SD. However I wouldn't make offers up front, I would still gift them after the fact. I also would not let them come live in my place even if I didn't have a GF.
Is the way I do things going to end up in dramatically different results than you get? Absolutely it would -- for one thing far less volume I'm sure. I like banging babies who would fuck me with or without money. Obviously that's not going to be every POT who sends me a note on a website, it ends up being a relatively small percentage of the total profiles in every given city. But I want quality over quantity. My sexual needs are met well enough day to day.
[QUOTE=DogSun;2573405]Understood. I guess my question was much simpler than that. I should have asked, would you ever give her a price or no? I'm guessing not.[/QUOTE]I have done that with strippers (varying levels of success there, but the money game is part of the fun of takeout hunting). But with SBs? Well I'd say as policy no, because if I need that to get her in the bed then something else has gone wrong and I feel like I would just be getting a lousy minimalist fuck. Honestly if she asked directly like you said then absolutely no, she would not get a response from me with an offer. If she were much more tactful about it, like let's say she starts talking about a two hundred dollar phone bill or something I might say something like "don't worry, tomorrow morning after I take you home you won't be worrying about your phone bill anymore".
Does that make sense? In other words I don't cave to snot nosed brat behavior, and hopefully I catch it long before I meet her in person -- there's no way caving in will result in good things. I have known some that will talk about what prior SDs used to give them, like maybe they say some ridiculous GPS amount they used to get for a travel weekend, and then maybe I say something like "well we won't be traveling together" to let her know that her GPS amount doesn't fly with me and that she should be looking at life one night at a time with me.
If I let off a vibe like I'm desperate for pussy, it's going to work to my disadvantage. I already know ahead of time that whatever they might be expecting is not close to what I will actually gift them, so how can it possibly benefit me to talk about it early on? It's better for me to try to get them genuinely interested in fucking, operate on their curiosity level, and get them to the point where they are not focusing on an amount.
That's part of my whole tactic, taking their mind off the money, therefore discussing money is contradictory.
Back to strippers -- that's different. These girls already have a fun job with nice income so the money discussion is usually a necessary part of the equation. Strippers and SBs are different though and require a different approach.