Ripoff Reports

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That's all I have. We keep saying "don't send deposits", usually in response to someone getting ripped off *because* they sent a deposit, and people keep doing it. I really don't know what to say. If they were all noobs, I'd get it. But they're not. It's incomprehensible.[/QUOTE]In addition to never sending a deposit, I go one step beyond that. I refuse to give them any money until the act is completed. They will piss and moan, but I do show them that I am carrying the money. I have had to walk out only a couple of times. Call me a cheap bastard, but I don't get ripped off.

Do we need a daily reminder to not send deposits? It seems every time we go just a couple weeks after talking about this topic, someone comes saying they got ghosted by someone they sent one to. Too bad there's no ad pop saying up. I think LC actually warns users not to send anything in advance before they let you explore the site. Play at your own risk.

[QUOTE=LongDStyle;6695238]Do we need a daily reminder to not send deposits? It seems every time we go just a couple weeks after talking about this topic, someone comes saying they got ghosted by someone they sent one to. Too bad there's no ad pop saying up. I think LC actually warns users not to send anything in advance before they let you explore the site. Play at your own risk.[/QUOTE]To add on this subject, The first time I got involved with mongering, I sent a deposit. It was 60. Went to the supposed [lace near my house, a hotel that was under renovation. I knew that I had been fk'd. The second time I sent to a deposit it was for 25. She sent me a fake recorded video that cut off as I was trying to say something. When I called her out, she started cussing me out. Lesson learned. Never send a deposit. Never Ever.

[QUOTE=Jc2490;6694708]In addition to never sending a deposit, I go one step beyond that. I refuse to give them any money until the act is completed. They will piss and moan, but I do show them that I am carrying the money. [B]I have had to walk out only a couple of times[/b]. Call me a cheap bastard, but I don't get ripped off.[/QUOTE](Emphasis added).

I am interested in details, as I have gotten ripped off a few times paying in advance. Can you estimate the percentage of successes or failures? Are you seeing girls off listcrawler? Is there a general area they do business? Any other information that you can give will be helpful and appreciated. I've been reluctant to try this, because I live 45 minutes or even an hour away from most of the girls I see and I don't want to make the trip for nothing. Certainly after I've seen a girl a few times it works its way towards me paying afterwards, but after I've seen a girl a few times it's generally not a problem anyhow. It's when you're seeing a girl for the first time that you worry most about getting ripped off and would like to pay afterwards.

4th scam ad posted from this location. It's an incall near 20th and Oak Park Ave in Berwyn.

[URL]https://escortalligator.com.listcrawler.eu/post/escorts/usa/illinois/chicago/161244398[/URL]

[QUOTE=LongDStyle;6699307]4th scam ad posted from this location. It's an incall near 20th and Oak Park Ave in Berwyn.

[URL]https://escortalligator.com.listcrawler.eu/post/escorts/usa/illinois/chicago/161244398[/URL][/QUOTE]How is this a scam? What happened? What are the links to the other scam ads?

[QUOTE=Kimbll83;6699841]How is this a scam? What happened? What are the links to the other scam ads?[/QUOTE]Check post #956. There have been 4 ads posted from this address in the last year and a half. I'm not sure if it's a set up robbery or what, I'm not sticking around to find out. When I texted the girl I arrived, she told me her male neighbor was going to let me in the building, and to give him the donation.

[QUOTE=Kimbll83;6699841]How is this a scam? What happened? What are the links to the other scam ads?[/QUOTE]I'd you check the pics you will see they share content. Same poster.

Claims to be working with the police which I doubt. Then acts like she's calling them but calls someone else. Got me out a hundo. Waited a few minutes then tried to say she doesn't do any services. She was doing an incall in Lyons. There was alot of LEO presence but that's typical of that town.

[URL]https://escortbabylon.net/review_list/7798792305[/URL]

[QUOTE=LongDStyle;6714277]Claims to be working with the police which I doubt. Then acts like she's calling them but calls someone else. Got me out a hundo. Waited a few minutes then tried to say she doesn't do any services. She was doing an incall in Lyons. There was alot of LEO presence but that's typical of that town.

[URL]https://escortbabylon.net/review_list/7798792305[/URL][/QUOTE]I don't know what happened but Listcrawler photos haven't loaded for me in 2 weeks. They must not like my vpn. I googled her number though and got a couple different ads with different girls. Not sure if it's a scam or a pimp or what.

[QUOTE=Chicago41;6714475]I don't know what happened but Listcrawler photos haven't loaded for me in 2 weeks. They must not like my vpn. I googled her number though and got a couple different ads with different girls. Not sure if it's a scam or a pimp or what.[/QUOTE]She advertised a very low rate for BBBJ. After the deed, she claims to know where you work and your significant other and claims that within minutes she will expose you. She's playing her handler too. She looks more like a dyke and won't let you play with her tits.

[QUOTE=Chicago41;6714475]I don't know what happened but Listcrawler photos haven't loaded for me in 2 weeks. They must not like my vpn. [/QUOTE]Most if not many or all ad blockers will do that on LC / EB.

This girl is a fake and a scam -- tries to blackmail you after. Pics are stolen from some other girl's site.

[URL]https://jessieharperxoxo.cuties-sites.com/home[/URL]

Rare but true. I had problems with an apartment and using zelle. One of the girls Linda was causing a scene on HKPD. Latina and petite. She will waste your time when you send her the money, play stupid, and then claim she never received shit. Even when showing the screenshot, she will deny and make a scene till papasan comes into a room and asks what's the issue. I left without service and with out $160 . Papasan called me after but I am not in the mood for drama as I had a shitty day.

Saw this while surfing LC, careful out here fellas.

[URL]https://escortalligator.com.listcrawler.eu/post/escorts/usa/illinois/chicago/162399627[/URL]#.

[URL]https://escortalligator.com.listcrawler.eu/post/escorts/usa/illinois/chicago/161837798[/URL]

Well finally had it happen. Took my money and hit the dirt running. Lesson learned, do more research before the little head makes a decision. Seemed to good to be true.

[QUOTE=Amp2019;6736524[URL]https://escortalligator.com.listcrawler.eu/post/escorts/usa/illinois/chicago/161837798[/URL]

Well finally had it happen. Took my money and hit the dirt running. Lesson learned, do more research before the little head makes a decision. Seemed to good to be true.[/QUOTE]You can get her name. Not sure what you can do with that.

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[QUOTE=Amp2019;6736524][URL]https://escortalligator.com.listcrawler.eu/post/escorts/usa/illinois/chicago/161837798[/URL]

Well finally had it happen. Took my money and hit the dirt running. Lesson learned, do more research before the little head makes a decision. Seemed to good to be true.[/QUOTE]Please share the story. How did she get your money?

[QUOTE=FruitNinja;6736846]You can get her name. Not sure what you can do with that.[/QUOTE]The name Google gave me was Bree Vanderzee. This girl in the ad is definitely not BVZ, who is probably in her late 40's by this point and has been retired for many years. I think Google algorythm is just returning gibberish.

[QUOTE=FuckGolf12;6737031]Please share the story. How did she get your money?[/QUOTE]God I feel so stupid writing this cause I know better and have heard it happen a million time on here. Was heading to her incall location she gave me, was about an hour drive for me. 15 minutes before arrival she says she needs gas money and $ for covers. Well I'm already 50 minutes into this drive so I figure he'll sure I'll send some. She's asks for. 5 and I send her only. 2 cause no way I'm filling the whole damn gas tank. Well after she has the money it's complete radio silence and then she blocked my text and calls. What I don't understand is we agreed on $$ for an hr. So she lost out on a ton of money. Cheap lesson learned I guess.

[QUOTE=FruitNinja;6736846]You can get her name. Not sure what you can do with that.[/QUOTE]Share screenshots of her ad with her friends, family and social media. Or make a seperate ad warning others.

[QUOTE=Amp2019;6736524][URL]https://escortalligator.com.listcrawler.eu/post/escorts/usa/illinois/chicago/161837798[/URL]

Well finally had it happen. Took my money and hit the dirt running. Lesson learned, do more research before the little head makes a decision. Seemed to good to be true.[/QUOTE]That the girl that's been up here with Shelly. They claim to he sisters from down by Springfield. Someone just reviewed Shelly on here today I think. She has been legit so who knows why this happened.

[QUOTE=Chicago41;6737175]The name Google gave me was Bree Vanderzee. This girl in the ad is definitely not BVZ, who is probably in her late 40's by this point and has been retired for many years. I think Google algorythm is just returning gibberish.[/QUOTE][blue][Deleted by Admin][/blue] Using spydialer dot com.

Now that might be a mother or who knows what. That sounds more likely anyway.

[QUOTE=Amp2019;6737355]God I feel so stupid writing this cause I know better and have heard it happen a million time on here. Was heading to her incall location she gave me, was about an hour drive for me. 15 minutes before arrival she says she needs gas money and $ for covers. Well I'm already 50 minutes into this drive so I figure he'll sure I'll send some. She's asks for. 5 and I send her only. 2 cause no way I'm filling the whole damn gas tank. Well after she has the money it's complete radio silence and then she blocked my text and calls. What I don't understand is we agreed on $$ for an hr. So she lost out on a ton of money. Cheap lesson learned I guess.[/QUOTE]Hate to say but she may have been banging another dude or passed out and you were communicating with her boyfriend.

[QUOTE=Bbd81;6737471]That the girl that's been up here with Shelly. They claim to he sisters from down by Springfield. Someone just reviewed Shelly on here today I think. She has been legit so who knows why this happened.[/QUOTE]Your guess is as good as mine. She seemed super nice while texting and responsive so I don't know what happened. If someone sees her go ahead and ask her cause I'd love to know what the deal is. I just read that review of Shelly also, no I'm totally confused.

[QUOTE=Amp2019;6737355]God I feel so stupid writing this cause I know better and have heard it happen a million time on here. Was heading to her incall location she gave me, was about an hour drive for me. 15 minutes before arrival she says she needs gas money and $ for covers. Well I'm already 50 minutes into this drive so I figure he'll sure I'll send some. She's asks for. 5 and I send her only. 2 cause no way I'm filling the whole damn gas tank. Well after she has the money it's complete radio silence and then she blocked my text and calls. What I don't understand is we agreed on $$ for an hr. So she lost out on a ton of money. Cheap lesson learned I guess.[/QUOTE]Let me try to explain to others reading this post who might be starting out and not understand what just happen. The following is only a guess but a likely scenario. This is the reason why the "girl" opted out of $$ (this means 200 why not just type 200?) and got only 2 (this means 20 why not just type 20?) This scammer has hundreds of ads across the country and gets some takers and strings them along. This person is never going to collect 200 because this person isn't at the location that the customer is driving to. So if he or she gets the customer to send 20 or 10 or even 5 dollars that's a plus one in the win column. Now since he or she has hundreds (or thousands) of ads out there and he gets some customers to send just a little (because it's only 20 dollars) this adds up over time. Maybe this scammer isn't pulling in 6 figures a year but a few dollars here and there for basically no work is still good money to them. Yes 20 is nothing if you have a good job but I have seen people think 20 is a lot of money because there threshold is so low.

You won't miss the 20 you sent this person but as you admitted you wasted about an hour (or more round trip) of your time driving to the location and time is something you can never get back. So boys what is the lesson that I am trying to convey here today? Never send deposits of any kind no matter how small.

B.

[QUOTE=Bkmsw;6738701]Let me try to explain to others reading this post who might be starting out and not understand what just happen. The following is only a guess but a likely scenario. This is the reason why the "girl" opted out of $$ (this means 200 why not just type 200?) and got only 2 (this means 20 why not just type 20?) This scammer has hundreds of ads across the country and gets some takers and strings them along. This person is never going to collect 200 because this person isn't at the location that the customer is driving to. So if he or she gets the customer to send 20 or 10 or even 5 dollars that's a plus one in the win column. Now since he or she has hundreds (or thousands) of ads out there and he gets some customers to send just a little (because it's only 20 dollars) this adds up over time. Maybe this scammer isn't pulling in 6 figures a year but a few dollars here and there for basically no work is still good money to them. Yes 20 is nothing if you have a good job but I have seen people think 20 is a lot of money because there threshold is so low.

You won't miss the 20 you sent this person but as you admitted you wasted about an hour (or more round trip) of your time driving to the location and time is something you can never get back. So boys what is the lesson that I am trying to convey here today? Never send deposits of any kind no matter how small.

B.[/QUOTE]Well when you put it out there like that it makes perfect sense of what transpired. I learned my lesson, promise I'll never send another deposit in my life again. Appreciate you guys for all the advice and reviews you do.

[QUOTE=Amp2019;6739201]Well when you put it out there like that it makes perfect sense of what transpired. I learned my lesson, promise I'll never send another deposit in my life again. Appreciate you guys for all the advice and reviews you do.[/QUOTE]Never ever pay upfront before the fun starts. If she insists on getting the money first before her clothes come off walk out on her.

Never pay a deposit.

Never pay her upfront.

Another rip off is the gift card. If she won't take cash in person and wants you to get a gift card. Hang up on her.

When you get the gift card you call her to give her the code number on the gift card and she gives you the room number where she's at. Once you give her the code number on the gift she has your money. And surprise surprise you don't get the room number she's at.

Since it's a new day and it needs to constantly be repeated. Stop Sending Deposits!

Any time you see the words deposit, advance or booking fee. Run. There are plenty of women that don't require them. Stop sending pimps and fake women you will never meet money.

[QUOTE=RonM;6064696]When will you guys ever learn never ever pay upfront?

Paying upfront doesn't get you a better experience. It gets you a crappy experience or nothing at all.

You think paying upfront makes you look like a nice guy to her? It makes you look like a simp.

Don't pay upfront.

She wants money upfront walk out.[/QUOTE]Brought this post up I wrote back in August 2023. So the new guys can read it.

[QUOTE=Bkmsw;6738701]Let me try to explain to others reading this post who might be starting out and not understand what just happen. The following is only a guess but a likely scenario. This is the reason why the "girl" opted out of $$ (this means 200 why not just type 200?) and got only 2 (this means 20 why not just type 20?) This scammer has hundreds of ads across the country and gets some takers and strings them along. This person is never going to collect 200 because this person isn't at the location that the customer is driving to. So if he or she gets the customer to send 20 or 10 or even 5 dollars that's a plus one in the win column. Now since he or she has hundreds (or thousands) of ads out there and he gets some customers to send just a little (because it's only 20 dollars) this adds up over time. Maybe this scammer isn't pulling in 6 figures a year but a few dollars here and there for basically no work is still good money to them. Yes 20 is nothing if you have a good job but I have seen people think 20 is a lot of money because there threshold is so low.

You won't miss the 20 you sent this person but as you admitted you wasted about an hour (or more round trip) of your time driving to the location and time is something you can never get back. So boys what is the lesson that I am trying to convey here today? Never send deposits of any kind no matter how small.

B.[/QUOTE]Not to mention that if the scammers are located in another country, what we think is barely anything is a really really good lifestyle in that region. So definitely worth the time they put into the scams. Running into them so often now is so annoying but will not go away if people keep actually sending them the deposits.

[QUOTE=Amp2019;6736524][URL]https://escortalligator.com.listcrawler.eu/post/escorts/usa/illinois/chicago/161837798[/URL]

Well finally had it happen. Took my money and hit the dirt running. Lesson learned, do more research before the little head makes a decision. Seemed to good to be true.[/QUOTE]I saw her last week and had a pretty good time with an unforeseen ending. Cut my time a little short when I pulled junior out because something metallic was throwing my nose off and then boom she had just started her period LOL we were both a little surprised. Ended slightly earlier than we should've but ig I'll take that over being ripped off any day. Don't know why she'd give up getting money for a session for a 20 but I wonder if you hit her up right after she saw me.

[QUOTE=Amp2019;6737355]God I feel so stupid writing this cause I know better and have heard it happen a million time on here. Was heading to her incall location she gave me, was about an hour drive for me. 15 minutes before arrival she says she needs gas money and $ for covers. Well I'm already 50 minutes into this drive so I figure he'll sure I'll send some. She's asks for. 5 and I send her only. 2 cause no way I'm filling the whole damn gas tank. Well after she has the money it's complete radio silence and then she blocked my text and calls. What I don't understand is we agreed on $$ for an hr. So she lost out on a ton of money. Cheap lesson learned I guess.[/QUOTE]I keep reading stories like this and it seems many do not realize that there is no girl, it's a group working in places like India, Bangladesh, or Nigeria.

Recognized the photos so figured I'd pass it along.

Name: Athena.

Previous Aliases: [URL=http://www.usasexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?7600-Ripoff-Reports&p=5396670&viewfull=1#post5396670]Bonnie Belle[/URL], [URL=http://www.usasexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?7600-Ripoff-Reports&p=6482938&viewfull=1#post6482938]Daisy[/URL], [URL=http://www.usasexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?7600-Ripoff-Reports&p=6226095&viewfull=1#post6226095]Samantha[/URL], [URL=http://www.usasexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?7600-Ripoff-Reports&p=5868424&viewfull=1#post5868424]Penelope West[/URL], [URL=http://www.usasexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?7600-Ripoff-Reports&p=5573851&viewfull=1#post5573851]Scarlett[/URL], [URL=http://www.usasexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?7600-Ripoff-Reports&p=5650614&viewfull=1#post5650614]Opal[/URL].

Ad link 1: [URL]https://escortalligator.com.listcrawler.eu/post/escorts/usa/illinois/chicago/163481764[/URL].

Ad link 2: [URL]https://callescort.org/630-949-7573[/URL].

Phone: 630-XXX-7573.

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Tried setting up with her. Wanted a $50 booking fee. I thought, ok I can afford to lose that much. Sent me a bunch of extra pictures (some attached here), looked hot. The rest was to be in cash. The next day before we met she texted a me that it needed to be electronic, paid before we met. Not a f'ing chance. Went round and round, "I didn't trust her", she swore she'd be there, etc. Nope.

[QUOTE=Moss734;6742813]Not to mention that if the scammers are located in another country, what we think is barely anything is a really really good lifestyle in that region. So definitely worth the time they put into the scams. Running into them so often now is so annoying but will not go away if people keep actually sending them the deposits.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=ErvsBlues;6755074]Here's another one to add to the list - [URL]https://www.rubrankings.com/united-states/illinois/chicago/bodyrubs/body-rubs/ashley-nulb-naughty-obsession-guaranteed-5-star-46291.html[/URL].

Tried setting up with her. Wanted a $50 booking fee. I thought, ok I can afford to lose that much. Sent me a bunch of extra pictures (some attached here), looked hot. The rest was to be in cash. The next day before we met she texted a me that it needed to be electronic, paid before we met. Not a f'ing chance. Went round and round, "I didn't trust her", she swore she'd be there, etc. Nope.[/QUOTE]Never send a deposit no matter how its disguised! A new one is "I only book on my onlyfans" They charge like $35 to subscribe.

[QUOTE=SfoDavid67;6755672]Never send a deposit no matter how its disguised! A new one is "I only book on my onlyfans" They charge like $35 to subscribe.[/QUOTE]The other reason that's an obvious scam is any discussion of meeting on OF whatsoever results in them banning you. It's pretty much the new camgirl scam.

Got robbed at gunpoint by this one.

Gave an address on Custer Ave in Evanston and got robbed by a guy with a ski mask in front of the building's entrance.

Be careful out there guys!

[URL]https://listcrawler.eu/last_phone_post/2244504057[/URL]

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[QUOTE=TwilightCircus;6774659]Got robbed at gunpoint by this one.

Gave an address on Custer Ave in Evanston and got robbed by a guy with a ski mask in front of the building's entrance.

Be careful out there guys!

[URL]https://listcrawler.eu/last_phone_post/2244504057[/URL][/QUOTE]