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Its also about providing good intel that others can hopefully benefit from. Last couple visits I had Lucy and she is always pleasant. I only drew Nina once and she was also pleasant.
[QUOTE=Walker333;3782647]It's like gunny in Chicago. Sentimental value + convenience + sure thing.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=DMichaels69;3782878]Its also about providing good intel that others can hopefully benefit from. Last couple visits I had Lucy and she is always pleasant. I only drew Nina once and she was also pleasant.[/QUOTE]Overall the place is not bad, justi the ladies lately are slightly more cautious with the strangers, but once the ice has melted. It's good, old reliable parlor with limited, but reliable menu.
[QUOTE=WoodStreet;3764767]Stopped by AD last week but noticed an unmarked LEO vehicle pull into the lot at the same time I did. He pulled up facing the entrance and just parked wtih engine running. I waited about 5 minutes to see what would happen but he wouldn't drive off. I drove off and came back about 10 minutes later and the truck was still out there. I drove around to the back and there was another parked out back. I was about to leave when I noticed the front SUV had left. I decided to risk entering as I figured all was ok and saw a few of yall exit the spa. Paranoid? Maybe. I don't think it was a coincidence that two unmarked SUVs had parked in the lot at the same time. I did park my vehicle a bit further and walked in. Had a so / so time with Nina. Lucy and Nina seem to be the only options lately. After I left I felt like the place is getting played out and will take a long break until they can bring fresh faces.[/QUOTE]Didn't seem to make the papers, but there was a LEO event there late last year.
[QUOTE=NotDeadYet;3783456]Didn't seem to make the papers, but there was a LEO event there late last year.[/QUOTE]I believe I read about it in some local paper or internet, don't remember where, but it was published.
[QUOTE=NotDeadYet;3783456]Didn't seem to make the papers, but there was a LEO event there late last year.[/QUOTE]They are definitely watching this place. I plan on staying away for a while. Its currently not worth the risk.
[QUOTE=WoodStreet;3783576]They are definitely watching this place. I plan on staying away for a while. Its currently not worth the risk.[/QUOTE]There is nothing, absolutely nothing, in any MP worth the risk of being arrested. Stay safe and good luck.
[QUOTE=Walker333;3783619]There is nothing, absolutely nothing, in any MP worth the risk of being arrested. Stay safe and good luck.[/QUOTE]I was at another place recently, a few minutes to the south, and the provider said this time of year (and every 6 months) is when LEO comes in posing as customers looking to investigate and make a bust.
[QUOTE=Walker333;3783619]There is nothing, absolutely nothing, in any MP worth the risk of being arrested. Stay safe and good luck.[/QUOTE]I think we all risk it by patronizing these fine establishments in the community. I feel like there is a greater risk taken when we know a specific location is being watched and we patronize it anyway. The good thing is we can look out for each other here with the good and bad.
I was there a couple weeks ago and all was well, no strange cars lurking.
[QUOTE=WoodStreet;3784815]I think we all risk it by patronizing these fine establishments in the community. I feel like there is a greater risk taken when we know a specific location is being watched and we patronize it anyway. The good thing is we can look out for each other here with the good and bad.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=DMichaels69;3785062]I was there a couple weeks ago and all was well, no strange cars lurking.[/QUOTE]IMHO LEO is NOT really watching. Once they've got an order to take care of man's morality, they ride, and some other institutions collect donations in a form of fine. Then, for some time, they are focused on some other shit around. So, for now, we're good, although, we should be careful all the time, and have a cover)).
I was in Dallas last week and in one of the AMP's there was some sheriffs recognition award plaque hanging on the wall. Got me thinking they take care of LEO there either by pay off or free fun so that they leave them alone.
[QUOTE=Walker333;3785092]IMHO LEO is NOT really watching. Once they've got an order to take care of man's morality, they ride, and some other institutions collect donations in a form of fine. Then, for some time, they are focused on some other shit around. So, for now, we're good, although, we should be careful all the time, and have a cover)).[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=DMichaels69;3785554]I was in Dallas last week and in one of the AMP's there was some sheriffs recognition award plaque hanging on the wall. Got me thinking they take care of LEO there either by pay off or free fun so that they leave them alone.[/QUOTE]Reminds me of the stickers we used to see on the front doors of some shops saying they supported the local sheriffs dept. Or the decals we see on the rear plates of cars around here telling the parking meter maid they're somehow affiliated with LE (and to move on to the sucker's car next to me that doesn't have one). Or the City workers that used to hang their vests on their car windows or dangle their checkerboard headbands on their rear view mirror so they could park illegally without getting tickets. Who the fuck do they think they're fooling?
And didn't Alice's on Wentworth used to have pictures of politicians and other VIP's hanging in the lobby. What purpose does it serve. Does it somehow prevent / discourage unannounced visits. Or does it make me the customer feel safe thinking the guy in the next room may have a badge in his pocket.
But if it keeps the doors open I'm sure they all gladly do it. And just write it off as (street) taxes being paid.
To me it screams out that somebody in the town is dirty and this is where they're getting their oil changed.
[QUOTE=HeadFirst;3785786]Reminds me of the stickers we used to see on the front doors of some shops saying they supported the local sheriffs dept. Or the decals we see on the rear plates of cars around here telling the parking meter maid they're somehow affiliated with LE (and to move on to the sucker's car next to me that doesn't have one). Or the City workers that used to hang their vests on their car windows or dangle their checkerboard headbands on their rear view mirror so they could park illegally without getting tickets. Who the fuck do they think they're fooling?
And didn't Alice's on Wentworth used to have pictures of politicians and other VIP's hanging in the lobby. What purpose does it serve. Does it somehow prevent / discourage unannounced visits. Or does it make me the customer feel safe thinking the guy in the next room may have a badge in his pocket.
But if it keeps the doors open I'm sure they all gladly do it. And just write it off as (street) taxes being paid.
To me it screams out that somebody in the town is dirty and this is where they're getting their oil changed.[/QUOTE]Pine Tree in Willowbrook had a certificate on the wall when you walked in that they were police officer assoc. Supporters or something like that. It didn't seem to work. LOL.
[QUOTE=GMan25;3785904]Pine Tree in Willowbrook had a certificate on the wall when you walked in that they were police officer assoc. Supporters or something like that. It didn't seem to work. LOL.[/QUOTE]Some other had too, and it was good, because LEO seems to didn't notice or ignore them.
[QUOTE=Walker333;3783619]There is nothing, absolutely nothing, in any MP worth the risk of being arrested. Stay safe and good luck.[/QUOTE]This comes up from time to time, about us mongers getting busted at an MP. For getting a massage? Let's say your getting your butt massaged and the police walk in and start checking rooms. OK, your butt is hanging out there is space. That's on the girl, not you. She's giving you a handy? Because she like you. She's giving you some oral love? Because she really, really likes you. Unless money is seen changing hands, you are in the clear. And what are the chances they can come in your room before you get the towel on? Slim to none.
LEO doesn't even try that. They send guys in posing as us, that's all. They aren't going to set up a phony AMP and get asian women cops to get you all worked up and ready to pull out money.
I remember reading on the North Carolina forum back in like 1999, about a guy who left an AMP and was confronted by a cop, who asked the guy if he'd paid for and gotten sex. Stupid asshole said Yes and got himself and the girl busted. Another guy on the forum replied that if a cop starts asking you questions of that sort, just say No. If he goes on about how "You can tell me", you tell him you've answered his questions and you are not comfortable with this conversation and you'd like to leave. Apparently the guy spoke from experience.
[QUOTE=SamSpade;3787492]This comes up from time to time, about us mongers getting busted at an MP. For getting a massage? Let's say your getting your butt massaged and the police walk in and start checking rooms. OK, your butt is hanging out there is space. That's on the girl, not you. She's giving you a handy? Because she like you. She's giving you some oral love? Because she really, really likes you. Unless money is seen changing hands, you are in the clear. And what are the chances they can come in your room before you get the towel on? Slim to none.
LEO doesn't even try that. They send guys in posing as us, that's all. They aren't going to set up a phony AMP and get asian women cops to get you all worked up and ready to pull out money.
I remember reading on the North Carolina forum back in like 1999, about a guy who left an AMP and was confronted by a cop, who asked the guy if he'd paid for and gotten sex. Stupid asshole said Yes and got himself and the girl busted. Another guy on the forum replied that if a cop starts asking you questions of that sort, just say No. If he goes on about how "You can tell me", you tell him you've answered his questions and you are not comfortable with this conversation and you'd like to leave. Apparently the guy spoke from experience.[/QUOTE]I think a lot of it has to do with the regulations that each town has for mp's. I remember a few years ago reading about a parlor in OP where the guy and girl were arrested because he was observed in the shower and she was in the room with him, and they stated because he was naked it was against regulations even though no sex act was observed. I would guess that's why a lot of times in the TS room you get the washcloth cover to start.
I've also heard about parlor's that are set up as stings, but those always had the offer right at the beginning and the suckers who got busted accepted off the bat. If that happens you need to say that you're only there for a massage. No cop is going to spend 20 minutes rubbing you in hopes of getting a bust. I've seen the reports on spa's busted too because of people admitting outside when asked about the activities, that should be common sense. If you don't know the person you need to be discreet.
-w.
This is way down the list of something I worry about.
[QUOTE=SamSpade;3787492]This comes up from time to time, about us mongers getting busted at an MP. For getting a massage? Let's say your getting your butt massaged and the police walk in and start checking rooms. OK, your butt is hanging out there is space. That's on the girl, not you. She's giving you a handy? Because she like you. She's giving you some oral love? Because she really, really likes you. Unless money is seen changing hands, you are in the clear. And what are the chances they can come in your room before you get the towel on? Slim to none.
LEO doesn't even try that. They send guys in posing as us, that's all. They aren't going to set up a phony AMP and get asian women cops to get you all worked up and ready to pull out money.
I remember reading on the North Carolina forum back in like 1999, about a guy who left an AMP and was confronted by a cop, who asked the guy if he'd paid for and gotten sex. Stupid asshole said Yes and got himself and the girl busted. Another guy on the forum replied that if a cop starts asking you questions of that sort, just say No. If he goes on about how "You can tell me", you tell him you've answered his questions and you are not comfortable with this conversation and you'd like to leave. Apparently the guy spoke from experience.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=SamSpade;3787492]
LEO doesn't even try that. They send guys in posing as us, that's all. They aren't going to set up a phony AMP and get asian women cops to get you all worked up and ready to pull out money.
[/QUOTE]While it hasn't happened here (yet), it has happened in Seattle. Not sure if they used Asian women or not though.
[URL]http://www.king5.com/article/news/crime/204-men-arrested-in-seattle-massage-parlor-sex-sting/274340796[/URL]
[QUOTE=Jadedone;3788455]While it hasn't happened here (yet), it has happened in Seattle. Not sure if they used Asian women or not though.
[URL]http://www.king5.com/article/news/crime/204-men-arrested-in-seattle-massage-parlor-sex-sting/274340796[/URL][/QUOTE]That is an interesting story. They, according to the article, operated for 9 days, on average approximately 10 people a day had been arrested, and probably apprehended immediately upon completion of some negotiation or money exchange. To me, the most amazing thing is the "sound of silence" for 9 days e. I. No one reported or spread the word that the place is a set up for 9 straight days. WOW. Conclusion: reporting, among some other good features, is a safety measure! Every One stay safe and REPORT. LOL. SERIOUSLY.
[QUOTE=Jadedone;3788455]While it hasn't happened here (yet), it has happened in Seattle. Not sure if they used Asian women or not though.
[URL]http://www.king5.com/article/news/crime/204-men-arrested-in-seattle-massage-parlor-sex-sting/274340796[/URL][/QUOTE]Interesting. But it brings to mind something I do when visiting an AMP that's unfamiliar to me, or a MT who doesn't know me. When she's standing at the front of the table working on my shoulders, or when they straddle your head with their thighs so work on your back and butt, I put my hands on them, gently, so see if I get any resistance or encouragement. Would a 40+ yo Asian woman cop with broken English let me do that?
Which brings up another point. Who worked this place? We're used to AMPs and EMPs, and MPs worked by American girls, like at our now long gone Belvidere spots, are few and very far between. I suppose a white American girl could fake an Eastern Euro accent easily enough, and they could pretend they are Euro.
Last point. When you do hear about busts like this, it is normally a place set up in an apartment and the prices are in the TGTBT neighborhood.
Things to watch for:
Place gets shut down and re-opens soon after.
Get your hands on the girl and see if she minds.
American MP, be extra cautious.
[QUOTE=SamSpade;3789182]Interesting. But it brings to mind something I do when visiting an AMP that's unfamiliar to me, or a MT who doesn't know me. When she's standing at the front of the table working on my shoulders, or when they straddle your head with their thighs so work on your back and butt, I put my hands on them, gently, so see if I get any resistance or encouragement. Would a 40+ yo Asian woman cop with broken English let me do that?
Which brings up another point. Who worked this place? We're used to AMPs and EMPs, and MPs worked by American girls, like at our now long gone Belvidere spots, are few and very far between. I suppose a white American girl could fake an Eastern Euro accent easily enough, and they could pretend they are Euro.
Last point. When you do hear about busts like this, it is normally a place set up in an apartment and the prices are in the TGTBT neighborhood.
Things to watch for:
Place gets shut down and re-opens soon after.
Get your hands on the girl and see if she minds.
American MP, be extra cautious.[/QUOTE]Great points and suggestions, Thank You. Stay safe and happy!
[QUOTE=Jadedone;3788455]While it hasn't happened here (yet), it has happened in Seattle. Not sure if they used Asian women or not though.
[URL]http://www.king5.com/article/news/crime/204-men-arrested-in-seattle-massage-parlor-sex-sting/274340796[/URL][/QUOTE]That's a really tough sell from the powers that be to justify that. Getting a massage is NOT illegal. In fact it's good for you & for your muscles to get rid of the toxins, stress, & tightness, well if the gal knows what she's doing & those are the gals I go and see, As a middle aged guy my muscles are sore and recovery time takes longer from exercise and injuries than it did when I was younger so massages definitely help. I should be going more often than I do but the costs add up. I'm not a lawyer, but that screams of entrapment, especially if she's teasing the guy imo. Tipping your therapist is NOT illegal either. In fact most customers tip for a good job. Just my $ . 02.
They are in desperate need of a new rotation, out will all the old and in with new. My last couple visits were sub par and disappointing.
[QUOTE=DMichaels69;3798429]They are in desperate need of a new rotation, out will all the old and in with new. My last couple visits were sub par and disappointing.[/QUOTE]Interestingly, I stopped visiting any AMP's while this forum was down. I did not feel a need for some reason. LOL.
I agree, this place is going to die if they don't take actions.
Only new place I have Ventured, since all this fiasco, is Wise massage. They are on corner of Wise / Irving. I saw Suzie twice, a 40 something short Korean with all natural, great body. Clothes goes of quickly, and fun began. 70 house and she is very flexible on tip.
[QUOTE=SamSpade;3789182]Interesting. But it brings to mind something I do when visiting an AMP that's unfamiliar to me, or a MT who doesn't know me. When she's standing at the front of the table working on my shoulders, or when they straddle your head with their thighs so work on your back and butt, I put my hands on them, gently, so see if I get any resistance or encouragement. Would a 40+ yo Asian woman cop with broken English let me do that?
Which brings up another point. Who worked this place? We're used to AMPs and EMPs, and MPs worked by American girls, like at our now long gone Belvidere spots, are few and very far between. I suppose a white American girl could fake an Eastern Euro accent easily enough, and they could pretend they are Euro.
Last point. When you do hear about busts like this, it is normally a place set up in an apartment and the prices are in the TGTBT neighborhood.
Things to watch for:
Place gets shut down and re-opens soon after.
Get your hands on the girl and see if she minds.
American MP, be extra cautious.[/QUOTE][URL]https://www.kcentv.com/mobile/article/news/local/detectives-seek-to-identify-hundreds-connected-to-waco-massage-parlor-raids/500-535546971[/URL]
Apparently had cameras in the rooms. Customers being arrested after reviewing tapes.
Be super careful talking to guys outside the spa. Years ago I was outside GQ (the place that was restarted as Yedam). I come out the door. Random guy outside says "how is that place. " I said I don't know I was just asking for prices. He kept asking stuff but I said I had to leave. Then I noticed a police car at the far end of the parking lot. GQ eventually got closed. So did Yedam. Gina, the GQ owner, told me the beauty parlor next door kept ratting them out.
Bob.
[QUOTE=Wenger;3788307]I think a lot of it has to do with the regulations that each town has for mp's. I remember a few years ago reading about a parlor in OP where the guy and girl were arrested because he was observed in the shower and she was in the room with him, and they stated because he was naked it was against regulations even though no sex act was observed. I would guess that's why a lot of times in the TS room you get the washcloth cover to start.
I've also heard about parlor's that are set up as stings, but those always had the offer right at the beginning and the suckers who got busted accepted off the bat. If that happens you need to say that you're only there for a massage. No cop is going to spend 20 minutes rubbing you in hopes of getting a bust. I've seen the reports on spa's busted too because of people admitting outside when asked about the activities, that should be common sense. If you don't know the person you need to be discreet.
-w.[/QUOTE]
I've had a couple mongers say hello as I or they were leaving but I think I'd be very suspicious if someone wanted to have a lengthy conversation. I'd say the massage was very good and keep walking.
[QUOTE=Bob521;3811457]Be super careful talking to guys outside the spa. Years ago I was outside GQ (the place that was restarted as Yedam). I come out the door. Random guy outside says "how is that place. " I said I don't know I was just asking for prices. He kept asking stuff but I said I had to leave. Then I noticed a police car at the far end of the parking lot. GQ eventually got closed. So did Yedam. Gina, the GQ owner, told me the beauty parlor next door kept ratting them out.
Bob.[/QUOTE]
Uncle Loe's main guns were out on place on Lake street yesterday (across from brunswick). They had whole property roped off with yellow police tape and about 7 squads in parking lot and along Lake street.
[QUOTE=DMichaels69;3798429]They are in desperate need of a new rotation, out will all the old and in with new. My last couple visits were sub par and disappointing.[/QUOTE]I stopped by last week on a slow day and did see a new girl. She's not young but cute in the face. Typical Asian body. She gave a decent massage and a good rub. Did not get her name but if your a regular you will know whos new. I did like her eye contact when she's taking care of business and takes instructions well even though she speaks almost no English. Did not ask if she offers more, but I do know now that Lucy does. Must bring your own supplies.
Probably Cindy, below average body but pretty face, no skills.
[QUOTE=WoodStreet;3814472]I stopped by last week on a slow day and did see a new girl. She's not young but cute in the face. Typical Asian body. She gave a decent massage and a good rub. Did not get her name but if your a regular you will know whos new. I did like her eye contact when she's taking care of business and takes instructions well even though she speaks almost no English. Did not ask if she offers more, but I do know now that Lucy does. Must bring your own supplies.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Sledder6;3813523]Uncle Loe's main guns were out on place on Lake street yesterday (across from brunswick). They had whole property roped off with yellow police tape and about 7 squads in parking lot and along Lake street.[/QUOTE]There was a shooting there yesterday. Made the news. Rocket Dork.
Called Radiant yesterday to see if the spinner cheerleader (Helen) was working so I can stop by. Another member indicated she only works weekend, but thought I might get lucky. Owner / mms who answered said that Helen moved on to another spa. I asked which one and she said Best.
I then called Best and asked if Helen was working. Owner / mms said no Helen here, but a new girl. I said ok and will be there in 30. Got there an early to mid 40 mt came put to greet me. I should have asked if there was anyone else because the look is not appealing. But I gave her a try anyway because who knows, I might get good service, and that's a trade off I'm willing to do.
Massage was actually decent and good, perhaps on the little bit heavy side with oil tho, and she had a good attitude. On the flip is when things started to get tense. L1 was offered and 6 fingers were held up. I countered with 4. She immediately switched to 5 fingers. I then said I only have 4. She insisted on 5. At that point I started to get up to get dressed to leave and she caved. I can also tell her attitude changed a little. L1 wasn't that great.
Her name was Jessica, short, and decent English. Will not repeat. Said she only works Mondays there. Damage was 65/45. Should have stuck with 4 due to attitude change, but rewarded her for a decent massage.
[QUOTE=TheHedgeHog;3839138]Called Radiant yesterday to see if the spinner cheerleader (Helen) was working so I can stop by. Another member indicated she only works weekend, but thought I might get lucky. Owner / mms who answered said that Helen moved on to another spa. I asked which one and she said Best.
I then called Best and asked if Helen was working. Owner / mms said no Helen here, but a new girl. I said ok and will be there in 30. Got there an early to mid 40 mt came put to greet me. I should have asked if there was anyone else because the look is not appealing. But I gave her a try anyway because who knows, I might get good service, and that's a trade off I'm willing to do.
Massage was actually decent and good, perhaps on the little bit heavy side with oil tho, and she had a good attitude. On the flip is when things started to get tense. L1 was offered and 6 fingers were held up. I countered with 4. She immediately switched to 5 fingers. I then said I only have 4. She insisted on 5. At that point I started to get up to get dressed to leave and she caved. I can also tell her attitude changed a little. L1 wasn't that great.
Her name was Jessica, short, and decent English. Will not repeat. Said she only works Mondays there. Damage was 65/45. Should have stuck with 4 due to attitude change, but rewarded her for a decent massage.[/QUOTE]There is no getting lucky, Helen only works on Saturdays from 10-8. The funny thing is that the owner sent you to her other spa. LOL. I guess that it was a slow day at Fountain View and she wanted to throw those girls a bone. Helen has worked the Saturday shift for a few months now. The first few Saturdays she would only have 1 or 2 customers. The cat got out of the bag about her working there and now you better call and make a firm appointment or you will just be wasting your time driving over there because she is now booked solid. On a side note, the best days to go to Fountain View are Tuesday and Wednesday, when you walk in the door you will understand why. SaintChuck.
New MT at Luna, on Gary in carol stream.
I was in area over weekend. MT just started and will be there about 6 weeks. From prior reports this is a L0 (legit) shop. Comfortable table. Good air conditioning. I took a long massage. Started strong but gentle. Ended soft. MT seems to have good instincts for therapeutic massage. Nice figure. Sweet personality. I tipped appropriately.
Place could use more business apparently.
[QUOTE=E2304;3847005]New MT at Luna, on Gary in carol stream.
I was in area over weekend. MT just started and will be there about 6 weeks. From prior reports this is a L0 (legit) shop. Comfortable table. Good air conditioning. I took a long massage. Started strong but gentle. Ended soft. MT seems to have good instincts for therapeutic massage. Nice figure. Sweet personality. I tipped appropriately.
Place could use more business apparently.[/QUOTE]Good to know, that you.
In the rear.
Visited this place. Nice two ladies working. My MT was 42, good English skill. Damn what a body. Roaming every where. Massage was good too. I didn't get her name right. She laughed loudly, then spoken words.
Zen is in Bartlett.
[QUOTE=IndianChief;3853822]Visited this place. Nice two ladies working. My MT was 42, good English skill. Damn what a body. Roaming every where. Massage was good too. I didn't get her name right. She laughed loudly, then spoken words.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=DMichaels69;3854332]Zen is in Bartlett.[/QUOTE]Yes, my bad.