CookyJar's Streetwalker Photos

[QUOTE=JohnnyBlazze]I was with Staci a month or more ago. She is extremely cute especially by SW standards, very willing to go the extra mile. [/QUOTE]Very nice, Johnny. I agree - extremely cute looking. She is cute enough I'm pretty sure I would remember if I had seen her. Looks like she might be just a wee bit high in these shots. Great to see you stepping in with some nice action pics while Cooky is on his break.

...Jesus, barely got a chance to post my comments about Staci and you already beat me to the punch w/ another set of Candy. She looks good too, and you''re right she seems to enjoy posing with a dick in her mouth. Extra points for that. Where on the Ave are we likely to find her?

[QUOTE=JohnnyBlazze]Fellas,

A few weeks ago I picked up Candy again - man she really likes the camera. Donated 30 for her efforts and had a great time. The only problem is, every time I see her on the Ave now she assumes that I will pick her up. I want variety, thats why I'm on the ave in the first place. What have you guys found as the best method to turn down a girl without impacting her performance the next time you date?
Well here are some pics for reference.

Johnny B[/QUOTE]

An excellent job Johnny. They are some very classy action shots indeed.
Both girls seem happy as they go about their assigned duties.

So far I have been unable to fine any Chocolate Candy on the Ave. Believe me, I've been looking. Black girls of Candy’s caliber are very rare on the K.

Sorry, I have no answer for you question, "What have you guys found as the best method to turn down a girl without impacting her performance the next time you date?" It's never been a big problem for me.

CookyJar

[QUOTE=CookyJar]Sorry, I have no answer for you question, "What have you guys found as the best method to turn down a girl without impacting her performance the next time you date?" It's never been a big problem for me.

CookyJar[/QUOTE]


Either acting like you don't see them or politely just waving. Although some girls after a few times you do this just get an attitude at you anyway. Oh well !! That's one of the reasons I always like finding something new. If you date a girl too many times and you do this more than a few times she's either gonna get serious attitude or start running after your car trying to find out why you won't pick her up...that's the worse... First time a girl screams and yells my name or runs after me, I'm done...finished...no more...

[QUOTE=Horny Harry]Well, on a day when things were pretty slow, I encountered short curly redheaded Nicole again at DD and decided to do the FS thing again. Surprise: she said she no longer hurt "down there", and I'll be darned if we didn't have a successful session at the hotel with full penetration and no grimacing on her part. So if her looks appeal, guys, you can feel less wary about going with her. To me, she's sort-of cute, mostly for her pert body rather than her plain face. The curls add to the effect, and she's pleasant enough to talk to. She does, however, ask for a tip and for change, but doesn't get huffy if you say no, as I did. Sorry Davey, didn't get a photo, but if you see a Shirley Temple with red curls, that's her. Yesterday she was wearing a faux army fatigue outfit, complete with cap. Warning: if you share your car with a significant other, check to see if Nicole is wearing glitter before you let her in...my front seat, not to mention my chest hair, is full of shiny little mementos!

Attitude 8
Looks 7
Performance 7[/QUOTE]

Nicole is another long time, well known K Avenue regular. A while back an antagonist asked, because he was questioning the authenticity of my post, why I haven’t posted picture of some of the K Avenue regular girls. I could give him no better answer then as I could now if someone were to ask why suddenly I am finding the regulars he and others mentioned back then. I came up with 39 results in the General thread and 15 in the SW Thread following my search for Nicole. A number of these posts are in reference to a curly red headed girl of small stature. As expected the reviews vary.

Again I will not attempt to generate a new review on a girl who has been so widely reviewed. However, I have to add some details and personal opinions from my own experience with Nicole. First and most important, Nicole never mentioned a problem with her choochy. While I never asked for FS, she did have every opportunity to complain if she had felt the need. I asked Nicole for a BJ. I asked her if she deep throated, and she replied to the negative. She did however, promised a very good BJ, saying she was very good at giving head. Her “Blow Job,” was so good I never even considered asking for some pussy. The sucking was so soft and attentive; I just laid back and drifted into exotic ecstasy. I would have liked to have lasted longer, but her talents were too much and I lasted only minutes – thus missing out on the FS. I could have recouped and went for it, but I was satisfied with one pop and decided to for go any additional action. The BJ was excellent, bear back, but unfortunately without a catch.

Everything about Nicole – during my time with her – was GFE. During the ride, we talked and covered a lot of different topics. She is well aware of this forum. She even mentioned a post that stated she was wearing a faux army fatigue outfit. We laughed together about the glitter. She did ask me to apologize for her. (I did not match her with the reports of a girl having a hurt pussy until later when I check passed reports.) I should also add that I have added Nicole to my list of girls to see again during this break period. While she is not to replace Andrea or Jennifer, they are just too convenient; she is on my calling list. So, would I pick her up again? I would pick her up without hesitation. But, as always, YMMV

CookyJar

[QUOTE=Curiousjoe]Craigs list looks like a popular spot to stray from the SW method.

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During the ride with Nicole one of the things we talked about was the CraigsList. She says, she once posted on CraigsList, with the help of a monger (she called him a date). This along with the recent events surrounding Andrea and questions posted by fellow mongers has got me to thinking. Consider this: Look at the girls I have pictured who have also listed themselves on CraigsList, Nicole, Rachael, Andrea, Summer, Britany, Jackie, Angeleena, Jewels, and the list goes on. These are all girls who I have dated off of the Avenues and who have also been listed as escorts on other sites. What are the benefit/faults of doing business off of the CraigsList in opposition to doing business off of the K or Broadway?

I have been much temped to do a little experiment. I am thinking of calling Andrea at her CraigsList number and setting up a date. I would do this just to see what would be the different. I am not talking about her performance; I would expect that to be perfect. I am talking about the other possible benefits or potential faults.

For example, one possible benefit maybe the location. Also, if you negate the bait and switch, you do get to shop in the relative safety/luxury of your home or office. Is the cost that much greater? What about the variety? Is it safer going to their hotel room? What is the average fee that can be gotten away with on CraigsList? What’s the Highest? What’s the lowest? What about the challenge of the hunt?

What are the benefit to finding the same girl on the K or Broadway or any street? Can you really get a good GFE on a car date? Is it really that much cheaper when you have to pay extra for a notel? What is the average total outlay from beginning to end with a notel date? How about a car date? Is it worth the dangers of the street and LE to shop on the Streets?

What I am looking for is a decent debate on the Pros and Cons of Streetwalkers and Agency Girls. Keep an open mind. Go back and look at some of the girls recently pictured here and on other forums. Check out the ads on CraigsList. What do you thinks?

CookyJar

[QUOTE=CookyJar]Nicole is another long time, well known K Avenue regular. I came up with 39 results in the General thread and 15 in the SW Thread following my search for Nicole. A number of these posts are in reference to a curly red headed girl of small stature. As expected the reviews vary. I would pick her up without hesitation. But, as always, YMMV [/QUOTE]It's great to have the full Cooky treatment on Nicole at last. Just an excellent set, CJ. Nicole should be very pleased by this showcase. I think she looks great in these shots. I'm really surprised at how healthy-looking she is for somebody who's been on the Ave and in the lifestyle for so long. Her personality and sense of fun comes shining through here. I love the variety of poses. Overall it's one helluva flattering portrait IMO.

As you note, reviews of Nicole have varied a bit. I haven't seen her in many months and haven't dated her in well over a year, but my handful of experiences were all good, especially the first one when I remember posting that I thought she might be the best, most enjoyable provider I'd dated in Philly up to that point in the year. This weekend I posted how I realized I'd just dated my 5th Nicole or Nikki on the Ave since 2005. This red-headed Nicole is my favorite of the bunch. Yes she's a little mischeveous (can see it in these pics), sometimes highly unreliable and a slave to her addiction. But I found her to have more personality than almost anybody out there, extremely friendly, definitely a talker, inquisitive and fun to be with. And oh yeah, she's attractive, has a nice body (even better here than I remember), and has some mean BBBJ skills. I never did FS with her.

Finally, I can't say enough about the debt we owe Cooky for this amazing portfolio he is assembling of the Philly and Camden SW scene. The variety, the unknown girls who came and went quickly, the longtime fixtures like Nicole, the high quality of the photos. Fantastic stuff.

As a monger and a hobbyist, I have done both worlds.. I can tell you its a YMMV experience in my perspective. I have had sorry ass escorts that were worse than a SW. My best lay off all time was a SW. Im sure theres great escorts out there but they always have another appointment. The SW is hoping to keep you as a regular date. So a hotel or your own place is a definite option once you know the girl. To me some escorts on craigslist and other sites think there bodies are gold or something. I know of one girl who is a SW could command 100 or more easily as she knows shes hot but just loves the excitement of not getting caught, so I guess its the opinion of the two people involved.. Im going to stick with the street meat for now..

We need to go to vegas with the luck your having CJ......

Happy Huntin..


[QUOTE=CookyJar]During the ride with Nicole one of the things we talked about was the CraigsList. She says, she once posted on CraigsList, with the help of a monger (she called him a date). This along with the recent events surrounding Andrea and questions posted by fellow mongers has got me to thinking. Consider this: Look at the girls I have pictured who have also listed themselves on CraigsList, Nicole, Rachael, Andrea, Summer, Britany, Jackie, Angeleena, Jewels, and the list goes on. These are all girls who I have dated off of the Avenues and who have also been listed as escorts on other sites. What are the benefit/faults of doing business off of the CraigsList in opposition to doing business off of the K or Broadway?

I have been much temped to do a little experiment. I am thinking of calling Andrea at her CraigsList number and setting up a date. I would do this just to see what would be the different. I am not talking about her performance; I would expect that to be perfect. I am talking about the other possible benefits or potential faults.

For example, one possible benefit maybe the location. Also, if you negate the bait and switch, you do get to shop in the relative safety/luxury of your home or office. Is the cost that much greater? What about the variety? Is it safer going to their hotel room? What is the average fee that can be gotten away with on CraigsList? What’s the Highest? What’s the lowest? What about the challenge of the hunt?

What are the benefit to finding the same girl on the K or Broadway or any street? Can you really get a good GFE on a car date? Is it really that much cheaper when you have to pay extra for a notel? What is the average total outlay from beginning to end with a notel date? How about a car date? Is it worth the dangers of the street and LE to shop on the Streets?

What I am looking for is a decent debate on the Pros and Cons of Streetwalkers and Agency Girls. Keep an open mind. Go back and look at some of the girls recently pictured here and on other forums. Check out the ads on CraigsList. What do you thinks?

CookyJar[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Artificial Red] I've admitted to being a cheap bastard at times before,...[/QUOTE]


It is not always a matter of being a cheap bastard. It's good business. Why pay top dollar if you can get a better price for the same goods. Still, you've got to examine the options. The cheaper product is not always the way to go. Remember, "You get what you pay for."

Consider the following: I did not pay Nicole a $100 buck, but all in all her participation was well worth a $100. I came very close to the $100 buck level. I would not be surprised if others have paid $100. I suspect that Nicole could ask for and easily get $40 or $50 bucks for a car date. We all know she could get that much for a 1/2 hours or hour date at a notel. Add in the $25 buck or more cost of a drab room and you are nearing the $100 side of the equation. Add in a good tip, for services well done, and suddenly $100 does not appear such a far fetched idea.

Nicole and I were not on your regular everyday car date. I drove her well away from her normal haunts - I expected to pay more for the time spent away from the area where she normally works and could have been profiting. I also considered myself lucky not to be in some shabby cheap notel and shared the difference of my savings with Nicole. And of cause there is the time factor. Including travel time, I had Nicole exclusively to myself for at least an hour and a half. I truly believe that the almost $100 was a real deal.

What did I get for my money? I took lots of pictures. I got a BBBJ that by far beats anything I could have gotten in the front seat of a car. And remember, because we were in my private dwelling there was no need to worry about any outside interruptions so she could relax and give a real Girl Friend Experiences. Because of the location, I was able to relax and enjoy every soft tender touch. Without the worry of LE, private citizens walking by, pimps and dealers, thugs and other interrupting elements - I could enjoy that firm pleasing body.

So I'd have to say a date such as mine, in a private dwelling or nice Hotel has got to beat any quickie you could get on the streets. With the type of girls we are considering a quickie in the back seat seems very inappropriate and inadequate.

When bargain shopping all of this should be considered. What I am asking is; whether a $50 buck 1/2 hour quickie in the back seat is a better value for your money then a hour in a nice airport Ho-Tel for $100 plus.

Here is another question in answer to the afore mentioned question. How many of you have dated a girl under both situations? How many of you have dated a girl first on a car date and on another occasion in a notel? Which was the better date?

Most recently; my first date with Danny was a Camden quickie. Our second date was at my place. Hands up, the second date was the better sexually. The pleasure of the second date justified the additional cost. Similarly, my first date with Camden's Cherry was in her shabby room and the second at my place. Again the second, without the threats of nearby others, far exceeded the first. (Hmmmm! Let me rethink that. The first was kinda good as I now recall.) I have to say location and surroundings are important.

Does the luxury of incall at a airport Hotel justify the extra cost of a CraigsList date? For me, no, because I have a retreat. For others, maybe, I don't know. Even for me the problem of location often arises. Many girls, especially on the first meeting, refused to travel with me.

Is money a real issue between the CraigsList date and the other? In some cases we are only talking about a difference of $50 bucks, maybe less. I have seen request to $300 and up to $500 for some escorts. X these girls out. I am talking about the request for as low as $100 roses on the CraigsList. I might be willing to do the $100, under the right circumstance for the right girl.

Something to think about.

CookyJar

PS: Jenny-Lynn comes to mind. I've had the cheap date with Jenny. I might be willing to go the extra mile for FS in a nice room with those tits. Oops I meant to say with her personality.

[QUOTE=CookyJar] What are the benefit/faults of doing business off of the CraigsList in opposition to doing business off of the K or Broadway?[/quote]Being a street monger before craigslist was born, and watching craigslist evolve, I can tell you my opinion to your questions in regards to how things work in DC. Most girls who work the main track in dc also have ads on craigslist. Some of them also have ads on escort sites like eros. Girls that you find on the track as well as online are most likely in the hands of a pimp, which my guess your girl Andrea is. The girls will date as much as they can from eros or CL but hit the track when things are slow. In dc, they will hit K&L every night and field online calls while also catching street dates. If CL keeps them busy enough, they dont need to walk the streets. Prices vary from the 3 markets, but for the most part, with the girls who often work the street, the service stays the same. They often change their names from the 3 marketing locations so that they know what price to quote a caller.

[quote]Is it safer going to their hotel room?[/quote]In my opinion its never safer to go to their location. More of a possibility for a set up, but not all girls are looking to set you up. If you know the girl, I suppose its safer than your car, given the possibility of LE creeping up on you. For me, safest place is picking up from street and bringing back to my place. A hotel room you rent beforehand would also be safer than you going to her location. Understand CL has the feature where mongers can comment on ads so ripoffs get spotted pretty quickly, but anytime you go to their location you are putting yourself at more risk.

[quote]What is the average fee that can be gotten away with on CraigsList? What’s the Highest? What’s the lowest? [/quote]CL varies greatly. Depends on how greedy the pimp. Generally in dc it tops out at 300 "roses" for outcall with an average of around 200. Some have ads like 80 roses for 15 minutes, 100 for half hour, 160 for hour, etc. I find the truly independent girls have the most reasonable rates. Girls also run specials like 100 Morning Special - 100 roses before noon.

[quote]What about the challenge of the hunt?[/quote]If you consider shopping ad after ad and finding a girl you like with a reasonable price who will actually answer her phone a fun challenge, then yeah, i guess its a satisfying hunt. Personally I find it frustratingly unsatisfying.

[quote]What are the benefit to finding the same girl on the K or Broadway or any street?[/quote]Cheaper price and you do the deed where you want to.

[quote]Is it worth the dangers of the street and LE to shop on the Streets?[/quote]For us compulsive street mongers it is. We all would have stopped by now if it werent.

Basically, its all a crap shoot. MY all-time favorite gfe with dfk, bbbj, greek, video, pictures, the works, was an 80 street ho. My number 2 girl who was all the same sans video and pics was a $280 independent eros girl. It has been my experiance that if an escort site girl works the street her level of service will reflect the price difference, but with the street giirls who then go online, the service pretty much remains the same.

One thing I am pretty sure of, Cooky, is if you call one of those CL girls who share a number and you go to their plce for action, most likely their pimp is close by and his presence will influence the girls. I'd guess you wouldnt get the permission to do the photoshoot type sessions you get from a street pick up.

[QUOTE=Loop Vet]...the service stays the same.


In my opinion its never safer to go to their location. More of a possibility for a set up, but not all girls are looking to set you up. ... I suppose its safer than your car, given the possibility of LE creeping up on you. For me, safest place is picking up from street and bringing back to my place. A hotel room you rent beforehand would also be safer than you going to her location.

...but anytime you go to their location you are putting yourself at more risk.

CL varies greatly. Depends on how greedy the pimp. Generally in dc it tops out at 300 "roses" for outcall with an average of around 200. Some have ads like 80 roses for 15 minutes, 100 for half hour, 160 for hour, etc. I find the truly independent girls have the most reasonable rates. Girls also run specials like 100 Morning Special - 100 roses before noon.


Basically, its all a crap shoot. ...with the street giirls who then go online, the service pretty much remains the same.

...most likely their pimp is close by and his presence will influence the girls.[/QUOTE]

I must say, I do agree with much of what you say. I had assumed that the safer locations would be the ones in ads that refer to Hotels in the Airport area of Philadelphia. I would think that Hotels in the Down Town areas would be pretty safe. (I recently stayed two nights in a nice Hotel in Cheery Hill NJ. I was attending a Chess tournament and I like being able to rest between matches. If Andrea had been available I would have invited her to stay at least one night. I wonder what her service would have been like, doing the, "Pretty Women," type of thing.) If you want real GFE, you've got to get a room - preferably a nice one. I certainly would not recommend going to a neighborhood location. Wouldn’t it be cheaper going to the girls incall if it is at a known upscale hotel in a nice area. I cannot imagine a pimp planning anything stupid in a Down Town Hotel.

I like your idea for out call. Rent your own room before hand. There are a number of nice motels in the area cheap enough to make it worth while, especially if you know the girl is going to perform well beyond her car date performance.

I am sorry, but, I am not giving any girl $300 roses, carnations or anything else for an hour of possible bad service. Bad service is always a possibility. I would recommend that an understanding of what is to be expected by both parties should be agreed on prior to meeting. I always get the bargaining out of the way and I explain that I do not like discussing money after we have settle on a price. If anything, I would go for the $100 and do the upselling myself.

I also agree that the SWer gone to online would probably provide the same service. If it was bad on the street, it will probably be bad in a room. However, even with a regular, things vary. Sometimes it’s good and sometimes it’s better.

It’s always a crapshoot.

Lastly – I hate pimps. I avoid girls with pimps once I know for sure that they have one. What I don’t know doesn’t bother me. I back off once I’m sure my money is going to some dude. I always assume that it’s going to some worth while pursuit – like Grandma’s rent.

Like you, the chase, the action and all of the crap that goes with it is the draw for me. I like the variety, the since of chance; it’s the hunt that I like. It seems to me that it takes a bit more skill to pluck a perfect flower out from among the weeds in the forest, then to purchase one from a flower shop. Yet, there are others who swear that CL, Escorts and Call Girls are the only way to go. The question remains. Why? What’s the big difference?

Take Jewels/Cherry for example. How much better are the CraigsList girls? Especially if you can get them fresh right out of the package - before the streets have harden them.

CookyJar

[QUOTE=FlyGuyEddie007]Speaking of Cherry, I rollled into Camden a few times. I've never seen her on Broadway. Ever wonder where she dissappeared to.[/QUOTE]

Check out the South Jersey, General Thread - there have been some recent sightings.

CookyJar

[QUOTE=CookyJar]What I am looking for is a decent debate on the Pros and Cons of Streetwalkers and Agency Girls. Keep an open mind. Go back and look at some of the girls recently pictured here and on other forums. Check out the ads on CraigsList. What do you thinks?

CookyJar[/QUOTE]Here's my take on this issue:

Risk of arrest. You never know who's going to show up in room, or who will be waiting for you during a CL-arranged meeting. No method of mongering is arrest-proof, but I believe SW pickups have a slightly lower risk (at least during initial interaction).

Quality of girls. Generally speaking, CL girls offer the highest quality (although I concede that there are SW hotties (relativity applies here) & CL skanks)

Cost. SWs are dirt-cheap, while CL girls often demand a higher price.

Thrill. While meeting a CL girl offers an initial sense of excitement when approaching the meeting place, the thrill lasts much longer during SW mongering, as you experience the "thrill of the hunt"

Value. This depends on what you are seeking. If you want just a quick cum, a skanky SW's mouth does the trick as well as a CL hottie's mouth. If you're after a GFE or lots of roaming, however, often a CL session is what is needed

In summary. It depends on what you are after. I believe both CL & SW girls fill certain voids. If you can afford it, mix it up between the girls. Don't forget to throw in a dirty stripper for variety. Sure, I can get a $20 BJ on the street, but it's sometimes more thrilling to get a BJ in a lap dance room, even if it comes at a higher cost. Each type of provider can peacefully coexist.

[QUOTE=Trav Pokerman]Here's my take on this issue:

Risk of arrest. You never know who's going to show up in room, or who will be waiting for you during a CL-arranged meeting. No method of mongering is arrest-proof, but I believe SW pickups have a slightly lower risk (at least during initial interaction).

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Now that's a very good point. If you are stopped on the streets picking up a girl (and nothing sexual is happening), you can often get off by just keeping your mouth shut. They will probably take the girl, for solicitation. As long as you don’t admit/confess to a crime you are pretty safe. Do the same rules apply to a hotel bust/raid.

What are the rules if you are going on a incall date? I suspect you would still do the are you a cop/decoy check – ask to touch her breast. What’s next? At what point do you talk money? If it is a sting or a raid what’s your best tactic? I think I’d still keep quiet and wait for my mouth piece. Can you be arrested for just being in the room with a known pro?

When it comes to LE, your options may be better on the streets. When it comes to set-ups, a nice downtown hotel may be the better option. Neither is fool proof. I like the idea of her doing an outcall to a location (nice hotel) of your choice. If she brings a thug with her to the 5th floor of the Marriot, she probably has better balls then me anyway ( I’d meet her in the lobby or out front just in case).

What are the correct procedures for a CL date.

CookyJar

PS: By the way! This is a girl who stays a Andrea's old address. I was not to please with her attitude so I cut our session short, very short. She kept getting up and wanted to walk around. Most girls wait to be asked to go upstairs. I told her to get dress paid her and took her home. During the drive back she claimed she'd changed her mine and didn't want to be seen on the internet. Bull, I told her, she had my money for no service.

That was a good call CJ however my experience has been that when things don't go as they should and the SW has been paid for services she now decides she doesn't want to deliver then I reach for the "EJECT" button. I drop them off where evr at that moment or I begin to get ethnic on them. Buisness is buisness and I show them I'm no fool. Most guys will just go along and she will see this as a weak sign and maybe take advantage but remember she doesn't want to get locked up as bad as you. I have even ejected SW miles from where I picked her up and in pitch black darkness.

Be safe!

[QUOTE=CookyJar]What are the rules if you are going on a incall date? I suspect you would still do the are you a cop/decoy check – ask to touch her breast. What’s next? At what point do you talk money? If it is a sting or a raid what’s your best tactic? I think I’d still keep quiet and wait for my mouth piece. Can you be arrested for just being in the room with a known pro?[/QUOTE]I believe it's best to never discuss business. In an AMP, placement of funds on the nightstand generally does the trick. They know, based on what you paid, what you want. Of course, that requires that you know the going rate. For American MP or CL incall, this may be a little less standard.

Just as it is not wise to discuss money through a car window with a SW, it's not good practice to discuss money with an incall provider. Of course, they're not mindreaders, so it is necessary to discuss this. For this reason, I believe incall is much more risky. You are forced to discuss payment, likely immediately upon meeting with her or speaking on the phone.

If you discuss payment over the phone, then appear at the agreed-upon place, you're likely fried. You've shown intent to pay for a sexual act. For example, the guys who appear at the sting homes on "MSNBC-To Catch a Predator" are arrested simply for appearing at the homes. Even if they do not show up, they are arrested at there own homes, as simply saying you want to have sex with an underrage person is grounds for arrest. I recognize that underrage sex is quite more serious than sex with a SW of consent, but a similar rule may apply.

[QUOTE=CookyJar]When it comes to LE, your options may be better on the streets. When it comes to set-ups, a nice downtown hotel may be the better option. Neither is fool proof. I like the idea of her doing an outcall to a location (nice hotel) of your choice. If she brings a thug with her to the 5th floor of the Marriot, she probably has better balls then me anyway (I’d meet her in the lobby or out front just in case). [/QUOTE]For CL and other incall, I'm actually more concerned with LE setups than thugs. Thugs should certainly be a consideration, however. I suppose it depends how hard a thug beats me. LOL. Even if a thug steals money from me, it's still cheaper than getting out of jail or dodging a conviction.

CookyJar, it appears that you may be trying your hand at a new form of mongering, or at least to a more frequent extent. Getting bored with SWs?