NoVA SugarBabies

Play it smart and approach each SB in a manner that makes them most comfortable.

-I have a 2+ year SB that has young kids. We will occasionally do lunch, but mostly she wants to have a few drinks, get banged, get paid and go home.

-Ivy league trained attorney likes high end restaurants. But then we go back to her place and have almost unlimited free time. She will occasionally cook as well.

-I've had SB's where the arrangement began with lunch / dinner dates every time and then it changed into meet me at the hotel.

I think most SB's want (in this order): 1) cash, 2) great sex, and 3) to be treated nicely and with respect.

[QUOTE=BDM1227;6108145]For dinner, I've learned my lesson that you never let them pick on the first date. Nothing worse than be stuck with a big bill for someone that has no intentions of taking it anywhere with anyone. Try to meet and eat at the bar so it can end quickly if its going bad.

I also had a girl pick a place and I'm 100% cerrtain it was her friend wating on us.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=RudyWellz;6108332]Play it smart and approach each SB in a manner that makes them most comfortable.

-I have a 2+ year SB that has young kids. We will occasionally do lunch, but mostly she wants to have a few drinks, get banged, get paid and go home.

-Ivy league trained attorney likes high end restaurants. But then we go back to her place and have almost unlimited free time. She will occasionally cook as well.

-I've had SB's where the arrangement began with lunch / dinner dates every time and then it changed into meet me at the hotel.

I think most SB's want (in this order): 1) cash, 2) great sex, and 3) to be treated nicely and with respect.[/QUOTE]They want #3 first -- so many get scared off by creeps, being treated like a piece of meat etc. IF you deliver on #3 first, then #1 can be lower and #2 is more likely for you.

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/8b3c4b59-0079-4501-bbbc-fc51a9300a56[/URL]

Curious. All the pics are damn near photo shoot quality. Did a Reversee check on a few pics. One came up as a cover photo for some site offering adult WhatsApp convos.

What has me suspicious was a very poorly worded text response seeming to imply she wants some cash up front.

It's a new profile so just seeing if anyone else has reached out to her and what the deal is with her.

[QUOTE=BobDingle10;6108916][URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/8b3c4b59-0079-4501-bbbc-fc51a9300a56[/URL]

Curious. All the pics are damn near photo shoot quality. Did a Reversee check on a few pics. One came up as a cover photo for some site offering adult WhatsApp convos.

What has me suspicious was a very poorly worded text response seeming to imply she wants some cash up front.

It's a new profile so just seeing if anyone else has reached out to her and what the deal is with her.[/QUOTE]She sent me the same thing. I blocked and reported.

[QUOTE=Dimples572;6108127]I've met one maybe two ever for a drink first. Never taken one to dinner. But other than that I've met them all directly in the room. Now I always bring a bottle of wine or liquor and we chill for a while over a couple drinks and get to know one another before jumping into bed. But that's my method that's worked great for me for the past 3-4 yrs. Using that method I've only ever had once a gal decide she wasn't interested and left.[/QUOTE]This reinforces my suspicion that you're a good looking dude LOL. Girls want to go straight to your hotel room without even meeting you, not knowing if you could be a creep or have terrible BO or something. You also said most of us are suckers for paying $500, there's plenty of young 8-9's willing to do it for 250-350. I really don't think that's most people's result on SA.

[QUOTE=BDM1227;6108145]For dinner, I've learned my lesson that you never let them pick on the first date. Nothing worse than be stuck with a big bill for someone that has no intentions of taking it anywhere with anyone. Try to meet and eat at the bar so it can end quickly if its going bad.

I also had a girl pick a place and I'm 100% cerrtain it was her friend wating on us.[/QUOTE]I like fine dining myself. I'd never take a girl to Applebees to save a few bucks because why the fuck would I eat there? Also young girls weighing 120 pounds don't eat a lot. I've never had one that can split an appetizer, eat their entrée and side, and split a dessert with me. They always get full halfway. Most of the time they don't even want the dessert in the end.

Taking a girl to Eddie V's in Tysons may add an extra 75-100 to my bill, but that's nothing to me.

[QUOTE=RudyWellz;6108332]Play it smart and approach each SB in a manner that makes them most comfortable.

-I have a 2+ year SB that has young kids. We will occasionally do lunch, but mostly she wants to have a few drinks, get banged, get paid and go home.

-Ivy league trained attorney likes high end restaurants. But then we go back to her place and have almost unlimited free time. She will occasionally cook as well.

-I've had SB's where the arrangement began with lunch / dinner dates every time and then it changed into meet me at the hotel.

I think most SB's want (in this order): 1) cash, 2) great sex, and 3) to be treated nicely and with respect.[/QUOTE]The only girls I've had go from dinner dates to just hotel are ones that are annoying as fuck, and the only thing I want them to to is shut up and spread their legs LOL. The ones with decent personalities, I've never treated like a fucktoy.

[QUOTE=ErnestLl;6108651]They want #3 first -- so many get scared off by creeps, being treated like a piece of meat etc. IF you deliver on #3 first, then #1 can be lower and #2 is more likely for you.[/QUOTE]Respect only gets you in the door, it's like the bare minimum to even start talking allowance and sex. Unless you look like TomFord and Dimples, Tom can apparently just tell a girl he wants to fuck her and she's down based on the text screenshots he posted.

After you're in the door, it's money and looks. Last is probably sexual ability. After all, you all bang young girls, how many have told you about dating a young hot dude who was terrible in bed? Yet, the girl still dated them, and would date someone like them / fuck them again if they had the chance. Hell, our SB's probably have a FWB that fits the exact description right now LOL.

[QUOTE=Emesdee;6108247][URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/919ae24b-0d46-496e-99ac-9001605b593f[/URL]

Might be a real person, all the info I was given seemed to check out to the person they claimed to be. That said, she had no intentions of meeting. Only one reply on the site, which was her number. Small talks for a little bit and then drops a OF-like menu on you. When I said I only meet, s kept agreeing to meet, even setting time and place, but would follow it up with needing some amount of cash for rent, flat tire, you name it.[/QUOTE]I have been using Google voice for initial texting and to text with some other seniors here. My account was flagged and banned after sending a hello text to this chick. I tend to believe that is not a coincidence. I have appealed that with Google, but be warned. Definitely an inconvenience, but didn't impact anyone in my stable or ones that I have actually met as I transition then to imessage texting. For the seniors here I text with I will hit you from a new number if the ban isn't lifted. The bigger issue is that the bots at Google are judging who you text. Maybe use text now or text mate for initial screening 🤷8205;9794;65039;.

[QUOTE=BobDingle10;6103894]Yeah but she is getting out of hand now. Wants 6 minimum and used to be able to be talked into half that with Uber fare.[/QUOTE]Ended up seeing her tonight. Other reviews are pretty spot on. She is quick to move to text and send pics. Texts a lot. Semi-pro vibes. Starts high but is able to negotiate down to a more manageable allowance. Honestly it wasn't that great. I have to agree with others that she is not good looking. Her face is busted and she looks older. And the body looked good in pics but is average in person. Tits were really nice but that was about it. From waste down she is thicker and stockier than my liking. She was clean and fresh though so that was good. She was ok with bareback but is not on birth control so would need to pull out. I ended up just wearing a cover. She is a nice girl though, very chatty and makes you feel comfortable but can be kinda hyper. Can host from her apartment which was a really nice and clean place. I actually considered not going through with it and leaving but my little head took over and I ended up doing a round with her. Was ok but I won't be repeating.

[QUOTE=ErnestLl;6108651]They want #3 first -- so many get scared off by creeps, being treated like a piece of meat etc. IF you deliver on #3 first, then #1 can be lower and #2 is more likely for you.[/QUOTE]Upon further review, you are 100% correct. What get's me (us) in between their legs is being a gentleman, them feeling safe, intellect, humor, not being a creep. I am also in great shape and pretty decent looking for 55. Money is a necessity (4 to 5 hundo is my range), good sex keeps them coming back for more.

[QUOTE=Mcsylv;6108962]This reinforces my suspicion that you're a good looking dude LOL. Girls want to go straight to your hotel room without even meeting you, not knowing if you could be a creep or have terrible BO or something. You also said most of us are suckers for paying $500, there's plenty of young 8-9's willing to do it for 250-350. I really don't think that's most people's result on SA.

I like fine dining myself. I'd never take a girl to Applebees to save a few bucks because why the fuck would I eat there? Also young girls weighing 120 pounds don't eat a lot. I've never had one that can split an appetizer, eat their entre and side, and split a dessert with me. They always get full halfway. Most of the time they don't even want the dessert in the end.

Taking a girl to Eddie V's in Tysons may add an extra 75-100 to my bill, but that's nothing to me.

The only girls I've had go from dinner dates to just hotel are ones that are annoying as fuck, and the only thing I want them to to is shut up and spread their legs LOL. The ones with decent personalities, I've never treated like a fucktoy.

Respect only gets you in the door, it's like the bare minimum to even start talking allowance and sex. Unless you look like TomFord and Dimples, Tom can apparently just tell a girl he wants to fuck her and she's down based on the text screenshots he posted.

After you're in the door, it's money and looks. Last is probably sexual ability. After all, you all bang young girls, how many have told you about dating a young hot dude who was terrible in bed? Yet, the girl still dated them, and would date someone like them / fuck them again if they had the chance. Hell, our SB's probably have a FWB that fits the exact description right now LOL.[/QUOTE]1. Many dudes here have some serious beer googles. 2. I don't put any weight behind how much people here say they pay, not because I don't believe them, but because I don't feel it matters. Girls accept different amounts from different guys. I've paid more than some dudes and less than others, depending on too many factors to list for that moment in time.

But man oh man a lot of people have their 9's upside down. The brain starts playing tricks on you when you think you can get an easy score. A Bumble 6 is a Seeking 9 on this forum.

[QUOTE=Mandane;6109155]I have been using Google voice for initial texting and to text with some other seniors here. My account was flagged and banned after sending a hello text to this chick. I tend to believe that is not a coincidence. I have appealed that with Google, but be warned. Definitely an inconvenience, but didn't impact anyone in my stable or ones that I have actually met as I transition then to imessage texting. For the seniors here I text with I will hit you from a new number if the ban isn't lifted. The bigger issue is that the bots at Google are judging who you text. Maybe use text now or text mate for initial screening 🤷8205;9794;65039;.[/QUOTE]- ditch google, facebook, and apple for this hobby; you are correct in your suspicion and all your activities are conveniently tied to identifiable accounts.

- textnow uses recycled numbers and you cannot delete accounts; so use your imagination if someone else ends up with your number down the line.

- don't use the "burner" app; look up recent news.

- recommending you use "mysudo", or, if you are tech savvy: a VOIP solution like Telnyx (unlimited numbers and control at a cost).

- avoid email.

- lean towards end-to-end encrypted services or time-based communications (chats expire after X amount of time).

- use cash and gift cards while / where you still can.

[QUOTE=ChiefQueef;6109701]- ditch google, facebook, and apple for this hobby; you are correct in your suspicion and all your activities are conveniently tied to identifiable accounts.

- textnow uses recycled numbers and you cannot delete accounts; so use your imagination if someone else ends up with your number down the line.

- don't use the "burner" app; look up recent news.

- recommending you use "mysudo", or, if you are tech savvy: a VOIP solution like Telnyx (unlimited numbers and control at a cost).

- avoid email.

- lean towards end-to-end encrypted services or time-based communications (chats expire after X amount of time).

- use cash and gift cards while / where you still can.[/QUOTE]Ban was reversed within 24 hours. I wasn't violatimg their TOS. Your points are valid though. Everything I do is on a single monger phone. You can get unlimited plans on places like Mint Mobile for 25 a month. All of the Google and other accounts are fictional and tied to that monger phone number. It can be done this way, you just have to remember the adage from Ghostbusters to never cross the streams. Nothing on that phone can cross to your normal accounts. Oh and turn off location tracking on both your monger phone and your real phone, plus any accessories. Always monitor your digital footprint.

[QUOTE=ChiefQueef;6109701]- ditch google, facebook, and apple for this hobby; you are correct in your suspicion and all your activities are conveniently tied to identifiable accounts.

- textnow uses recycled numbers and you cannot delete accounts; so use your imagination if someone else ends up with your number down the line.

- don't use the "burner" app; look up recent news.

- recommending you use "mysudo", or, if you are tech savvy: a VOIP solution like Telnyx (unlimited numbers and control at a cost).

- avoid email.

- lean towards end-to-end encrypted services or time-based communications (chats expire after X amount of time).

- use cash and gift cards while / where you still can.[/QUOTE]Jesus christ the amount of effort some of you use to get your dick wet.

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/413f15b5-46be-4b40-8bab-ef17f944c87a[/URL]

Had things setup, suddenly mentions I'd have to come pick her up and gives a gas station strip mall in a remote area which a friend could give her a ride too. Didn't plan on that so begged off and it seems a bit odd / sketch. Anyone else had any interactions?

[QUOTE=Tyrex2;6110022][URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/413f15b5-46be-4b40-8bab-ef17f944c87a[/URL]

Had things setup, suddenly mentions I'd have to come pick her up and gives a gas station strip mall in a remote area which a friend could give her a ride too. Didn't plan on that so begged off and it seems a bit odd / sketch. Anyone else had any interactions?[/QUOTE]Not to a scammer / would be robber. That's the MO.

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/259b12ca-7e39-4545-853d-7b1f8f8477ac[/URL]

DTF, pics accurate. . short girl. Seems to have high mileage, boobs drooping for someone so young. Doesn't like DATU. Wanted to get it over quick, not into it at all. No chem so did not have good time, YMMV.

Considering that she is BB with everyone, she has to be on BC.

[QUOTE=Prince85;6109329]Ended up seeing her tonight. Other reviews are pretty spot on. She is quick to move to text and send pics. Texts a lot. Semi-pro vibes. Starts high but is able to negotiate down to a more manageable allowance. Honestly it wasn't that great. I have to agree with others that she is not good looking. Her face is busted and she looks older. And the body looked good in pics but is average in person. Tits were really nice but that was about it. From waste down she is thicker and stockier than my liking. She was clean and fresh though so that was good. She was ok with bareback but is not on birth control so would need to pull out. I ended up just wearing a cover. She is a nice girl though, very chatty and makes you feel comfortable but can be kinda hyper. Can host from her apartment which was a really nice and clean place. I actually considered not going through with it and leaving but my little head took over and I ended up doing a round with her. Was ok but I won't be repeating.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Prince85;6109329]Ended up seeing her tonight. Other reviews are pretty spot on. She is quick to move to text and send pics. Texts a lot. Semi-pro vibes. Starts high but is able to negotiate down to a more manageable allowance. Honestly it wasn't that great. I have to agree with others that she is not good looking. Her face is busted and she looks older. And the body looked good in pics but is average in person. Tits were really nice but that was about it. From waste down she is thicker and stockier than my liking. She was clean and fresh though so that was good. She was ok with bareback but is not on birth control so would need to pull out. I ended up just wearing a cover. She is a nice girl though, very chatty and makes you feel comfortable but can be kinda hyper. Can host from her apartment which was a really nice and clean place. I actually considered not going through with it and leaving but my little head took over and I ended up doing a round with her. Was ok but I won't be repeating.[/QUOTE]She started at $1000 for me. Quickly came down to $300. The pics she sent of her body were amazing, he face not so much. I made a date with her, when I parked on the street of her apartment she was already waiting outside. I definitely wasn't interested in what I saw and promptly drove off. Her body was not as fit as the several pics she sent me.

Anyone else chatting up the profile who lists herself as DC but is out in Berryville?

Seems way TGTBT, but even after 3 days of messaging, she hasn't hmu for money, gift cards or personal info.

No, I'm not going to list her profile link, because if she is real, it would not be good if some aggressive monger scared her off the site.

[QUOTE=Tyrex2;6110022][URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/413f15b5-46be-4b40-8bab-ef17f944c87a[/URL]

Had things setup, suddenly mentions I'd have to come pick her up and gives a gas station strip mall in a remote area which a friend could give her a ride too. Didn't plan on that so begged off and it seems a bit odd / sketch. Anyone else had any interactions?[/QUOTE]That's most likely a setup for a robbery.

First up, I won't meet anyone directly in a hotel room, that's a waste of my time & money, what if I don't like her in person, I am picky who I want to have sex with so I want to make sure I like her personality somewhat before I fuck her. Second, I won't trust a girl who'd meet with a guy directly in a hotel room first up, something off with her judgement, but to each their own, I don't judge others who do, it's their thing, like I said I am selective. Lastly, what I pay them is what I feel is reasonable for me, not the lowest I can negotiate, if I like her and she's nice to me then it's not an issue. I've given SB's more than they asked sometimes and that's just because she's being a sweetheart and do everything I want out of her, including being on time, not waste my money on expensive dining, staying as long as I want her to, being good in bed, not showing irritability etc.

[QUOTE=Mcsylv;6108962]This reinforces my suspicion that you're a good looking dude LOL. Girls want to go straight to your hotel room without even meeting you, not knowing if you could be a creep or have terrible BO or something. You also said most of us are suckers for paying $500, there's plenty of young 8-9's willing to do it for 250-350. I really don't think that's most people's result on SA.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=DasHottCalla;6111335]She started at $1000 for me. Quickly came down to $300. The pics she sent of her body were amazing, he face not so much. I made a date with her, when I parked on the street of her apartment she was already waiting outside. I definitely wasn't interested in what I saw and promptly drove off. Her body was not as fit as the several pics she sent me.[/QUOTE]LOL! There has to be someone that dropped 1 k for it. Who was it. Reveal yourself.

[QUOTE=LikesGirls;6111817]That's most likely a setup for a robbery.[/QUOTE]Reason I waived off.

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/messages/inbox/f40c84e9-fd74-4587-8c70-dad39902aefc[/URL]

Chatted her up. Seems nice enough - low key and smooth. Went to text quickly. Bartends or so she says, apparently not new to this. Initial ask was 700, dropped to 550. Not for me at that price, but one of you all might like. Will play w / o cover for upsell. First picture is "older", second is from "last night".

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/81c8b81f-0b8e-413c-a5ae-bb8f94ad68bf[/URL]

Hook up with her last year. Pics are accurate, but she does have a stomach. She doesn't drive so I pick her up and got hotel. She had me driving all over DC for an hour for our 1st date, helping her run errands. Sex was OK, but I had better choices so it was a one and done deal with me. 400 was my damage at the time, and she is open for BBFS.

Please don't msg me for numbers, but willing to answer any other questions. I don't remember much with this one.

[QUOTE=Tyrex2;6111897][URL]https://members.seeking.com/messages/inbox/f40c84e9-fd74-4587-8c70-dad39902aefc[/URL]

Chatted her up. Seems nice enough - low key and smooth. Went to text quickly. Bartends or so she says, apparently not new to this. Initial ask was 700, dropped to 550. Not for me at that price, but one of you all might like. Will play w / o cover for upsell. First picture is "older", second is from "last night".[/QUOTE]

Over conversation she seemed much more interested in getting identifying details about me than in scheduling a meeting. She's slick, but too much evasion and too interested in my details. Which I always lie about anyway. Blocked and moved on. Recommend you avoid.

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/e5745ac3-ad4c-449d-8c7f-1b63ae3e3680[/URL]

Quick to move to text, wants to meet quickly as possible, wants $100 for meeting at the diner. Everything else after is vague, so a m&g money scam.

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/a5b7e1f1-6df3-4f7d-9ae6-ae6336ae601a[/URL]

[QUOTE=Arty33;6111821]Lastly, what I pay them is what I feel is reasonable for me, not the lowest I can negotiate, if I like her and she's nice to me then it's not an issue. I've given SB's more than they asked sometimes and that's just because she's being a sweetheart and do everything I want out of her, including being on time, not waste my money on expensive dining, staying as long as I want her to, being good in bed, not showing irritability etc.[/QUOTE]Exactly this.

[QUOTE=Arty33;6111821]Second, I won't trust a girl who'd meet with a guy directly in a hotel room first up, something off with her judgement, but to each their own, I don't judge others who do, it's their thing, like I said I am selective.[/QUOTE]Lmao! Dude. You don't think that literally every single woman on that website that's banging dudes for money, that is selling their bodies for sex, that there's not something completely fucked up with their judgement?? I hate to break it to you but most normal, stable, moral, well adjusted successful women aren't on that website and wouldn't be caught dead on it. I've yet to meet anyone on there that wasn't completely damaged in one way or another or that I'd be willing to bring home to meet my Mom.

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/a5b7e1f1-6df3-4f7d-9ae6-ae6336ae601a[/URL]

She for real. Met up with her when she had a different profile a few months ago. Her pics are heavily edited. She has a lot of face sores, and skinny. I talk 5 mins and knew I wasn't interested. Say she use to be into heavy drug use. I'm guessing she meth user. Also notice a tall light skin black guy eye us during coffee. She seem jittery around me, so I made an excuse to end M&G quickly. I drove one big circle. Then I saw her walking with the guy eyeing us earlier to the bus stop. Seems like he was her partner. I would be very careful with this one.

[QUOTE=Arty33;6112443]Quick to move to text, wants to meet quickly as possible, wants $100 for meeting at the diner. Everything else after is vague, so a m&g money scam.

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/a5b7e1f1-6df3-4f7d-9ae6-ae6336ae601a[/URL][/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Arty33;6111821]First up, I won't meet anyone directly in a hotel room, that's a waste of my time & money, what if I don't like her in person, I am picky who I want to have sex with so I want to make sure I like her personality somewhat before I fuck her. Second, I won't trust a girl who'd meet with a guy directly in a hotel room first up, something off with her judgement, but to each their own, I don't judge others who do, it's their thing, like I said I am selective. Lastly, what I pay them is what I feel is reasonable for me, not the lowest I can negotiate, if I like her and she's nice to me then it's not an issue. I've given SB's more than they asked sometimes and that's just because she's being a sweetheart and do everything I want out of her, including being on time, not waste my money on expensive dining, staying as long as I want her to, being good in bed, not showing irritability etc.[/QUOTE]I feel like at least 50% of the time when I give an extra amount to a girl, she then expects it next time we meet, even if I make it clear the extra is a 1-time exception. Like when I give her the normal amount on the next date, I get the look and a question about how come it's lower this time, not recognizing that the last time I gave her extra for a special circumstance, or that I was just feeling generous, or she gave me a rimjob I don't fucking know. Then the situation turns awkward, at some point I have to tell her I don't like it when she demands extra and that it's not a gift then, she's just raising the allowance. Then she gets hissy about how I don't appreciate her, and next thing I know I'm down 1 SB and +1 blocked number.

[QUOTE=Mcsylv;6113054]I feel like at least 50% of the time when I give an extra amount to a girl, she then expects it next time we meet, even if I make it clear the extra is a 1-time exception. Like when I give her the normal amount on the next date, I get the look and a question about how come it's lower this time, not recognizing that the last time I gave her extra for a special circumstance, or that I was just feeling generous, or she gave me a rimjob I don't fucking know. Then the situation turns awkward, at some point I have to tell her I don't like it when she demands extra and that it's not a gift then, she's just raising the allowance. Then she gets hissy about how I don't appreciate her, and next thing I know I'm down 1 SB and +1 blocked number.[/QUOTE]I have found that a small gift costing 10 $ is worth a lot more say 100 $ in allowance money and they don't expect that every time. I have a bunch of 10,25, 50 gift cards and some 12 $ pyjamas from Costco etc. in my car. Or wine bottle if over 21,. I hand them out occasionally and they get me far more mileage.

But agree with Arty, you give what you feel you are comfortable with. I started giving one of my SB 100 more because I was seeing her less and told her its because of inflation and by jolly, she loves me so much more. It was because she did not expect it.

[QUOTE=Mcsylv;6113054]I feel like at least 50% of the time when I give an extra amount to a girl, she then expects it next time we meet, even if I make it clear the extra is a 1-time exception. Like when I give her the normal amount on the next date, I get the look and a question about how come it's lower this time, not recognizing that the last time I gave her extra for a special circumstance, or that I was just feeling generous, or she gave me a rimjob I don't fucking know. Then the situation turns awkward, at some point I have to tell her I don't like it when she demands extra and that it's not a gift then, she's just raising the allowance. Then she gets hissy about how I don't appreciate her, and next thing I know I'm down 1 SB and +1 blocked number.[/QUOTE]I think it depends on the girl and your relationship. I have given extra when asked if it's for something specific and I value our relationship, like some extra spending money when they travel. Or if they need (not want) something urgently. But it is always clear it is the exception more than the rule. So rates always stay the same for me with extras from time to time. It does essentially boil down to a higher overall rate.

From her texts, all sob stories about her dad is dying her stepmom being mean, told her no money to meet. Finally she called me some names and left the chat. Knew she had no real interest since she started texting without even checking my pictures, LOL, that's a dead giveaway someone's into money scam.

[QUOTE=Lobsid;6112938][URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/a5b7e1f1-6df3-4f7d-9ae6-ae6336ae601a[/URL]

She for real. Met up with her when she had a different profile a few months ago. Her pics are heavily edited. She has a lot of face sores, and skinny. I talk 5 mins and knew I wasn't interested. Say she use to be into heavy drug use. I'm guessing she meth user. Also notice a tall light skin black guy eye us during coffee. She seem jittery around me, so I made an excuse to end M&G quickly. I drove one big circle. Then I saw her walking with the guy eyeing us earlier to the bus stop. Seems like he was her partner. I would be very careful with this one.[/QUOTE]

Between not the girl you take to mom vs poor judgement to meet some dude straight in hotel room. They still need to exercise caution because what if you're not who you said you are. I've had SBs tell me they stayed back observing to see who the guy they were going to meet and turns out the guy is older, fatter, and uglier than picture, then she bolted. So, are you saying they should just trust your texts and pictures online and come to your room, that's not the kind of girl I would hook up with. But like I said if you do, then that's your thing, I am not judging you. So what's the issue, I personally have an interest to make sure they are exercising caution in meeting guys, so I know something about their selection, not meet any guy for money in hotel.

[QUOTE=Dimples572;6112868]Lmao! Dude. You don't think that literally every single woman on that website that's banging dudes for money, that is selling their bodies for sex, that there's not something completely fucked up with their judgement?? I hate to break it to you but most normal, stable, moral, well adjusted successful women aren't on that website and wouldn't be caught dead on it. I've yet to meet anyone on there that wasn't completely damaged in one way or another or that I'd be willing to bring home to meet my Mom.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Dimples572;6112868]Lmao! Dude. You don't think that literally every single woman on that website that's banging dudes for money, that is selling their bodies for sex, that there's not something completely fucked up with their judgement?? I hate to break it to you but most normal, stable, moral, well adjusted successful women aren't on that website and wouldn't be caught dead on it. I've yet to meet anyone on there that wasn't completely damaged in one way or another or that I'd be willing to bring home to meet my Mom.[/QUOTE]While I agree with you that most girls on the site who stay a long time are off in some way, I do think there's a large percentage that dip their toes in because their friend said it would be a good idea, or they saw it on a Youtube video about easy ways to make money as a young girl. It's too mainstream now, when you have TikTokers and celebs doing OF and talking about sugar daddies, the average college girl will at least try it when they are in tough financial situations. There's also a select few who are normal girls, just happened to meet a good SD in like their first 2 days instead of the creeps and scammers, and got off the site. Had a relationship, ended it after a while, then got back on and started looking again. These ones are expecting the same good results, and haven't gotten corrupted by scammers, SD's who don't pay after fucking, etc. Just think about all the platonic-only girls. Yea some are scammers themselves, but many are just innocent and naive girls who saw a tiktok about how she can get a man to give her thousands for her company on dinner dates, and got on SA.

Also the women being damaged is one thing, but still I've had very few experiences with girls on SA where they're down to just fuck without a dinner or coffee meeting to check things out. The ones who have been down are always scammers who ask for money for Uber or babysitter an hour before the date. Or they're semi-pro / pros posting on SA, and even if they're dtf, it's a lower quality experience where there's no BBFS, sometimes not even GFE. They also clock watch or try to leave as soon as 1 pop is done.

I've also never gotten anyone to accept $300 allowance when that's the number I always start off at, even 7's and 6's LOL. 8-9's usually negotiate and end up in the 500-700 range for a couple hour dinner date and bedroom fun. Still cheaper than an escort since those charge $500+/ hr. Been talking to this really hot blonde escort on Tryst and a 2 hr date is going to run me 2 k, so SA is still way cheaper. [URL]https://tryst.link/escort/date-riley[/URL].

Any info on this girl:

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/fa538443-2b5b-44e3-b92b-6afa3630da32[/URL]

Def a 6 at best. I started off with 300, she said nothing less than 5, but she's clean so I don't need a condom. I kept negotiating and said 5 is fine if she's staying at least 2 hours, and she said okay.

Really put off by her lesbian looks and easy BB access, but she also sent me nudes of her being tied up with another girl. I figure if she's got some hot friends, maybe she could introduce me.

[QUOTE=Mcsylv;6113509]Any info on this girl:

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/fa538443-2b5b-44e3-b92b-6afa3630da32[/URL]

Def a 6 at best. I started off with 300, she said nothing less than 5, but she's clean so I don't need a condom. I kept negotiating and said 5 is fine if she's staying at least 2 hours, and she said okay.

Really put off by her lesbian looks and easy BB access, but she also sent me nudes of her being tied up with another girl. I figure if she's got some hot friends, maybe she could introduce me.[/QUOTE]So how about this profile.

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/8832b531-e7fe-4d2a-b2d1-9557af4d37ac[/URL]

[QUOTE=ChiefQueef;6109701]- ditch google, facebook, and apple for this hobby; you are correct in your suspicion and all your activities are conveniently tied to identifiable accounts.

- textnow uses recycled numbers and you cannot delete accounts; so use your imagination if someone else ends up with your number down the line.

- don't use the "burner" app; look up recent news.

- recommending you use "mysudo", or, if you are tech savvy: a VOIP solution like Telnyx (unlimited numbers and control at a cost).

- avoid email.

- lean towards end-to-end encrypted services or time-based communications (chats expire after X amount of time).

- use cash and gift cards while / where you still can.[/QUOTE]I'd asked some time back about these third-party apps for this and other reasons.

Some options apart from google voice were.

TextMe.

TextNow.

Hushed.

Burner.

TextFree.

Am sure there a bunch of others.

Not sure if apps keep old conversations once number is re-cycled. Anyone have concrete ideas about this?

[QUOTE=Mcsylv;6113509]Any info on this girl:

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/fa538443-2b5b-44e3-b92b-6afa3630da32[/URL]

Def a 6 at best. I started off with 300, she said nothing less than 5, but she's clean so I don't need a condom. I kept negotiating and said 5 is fine if she's staying at least 2 hours, and she said okay.

Really put off by her lesbian looks and easy BB access, but she also sent me nudes of her being tied up with another girl. I figure if she's got some hot friends, maybe she could introduce me.[/QUOTE]So I have seen her a twice tshe's semi pro meaning high volime that same line you got is the same line everyone gets. Also wouldn't trust her version of clean like I said she's a high volume girl. But everything is on the menu Greek might take a little extra spoiling to get but it's on menu.

[QUOTE=RegularJoe1985;6113533]I'd asked some time back about these third-party apps for this and other reasons.

Some options apart from google voice were.

TextMe.

TextNow.

Hushed.

Burner.

TextFree.

Am sure there a bunch of others.

Not sure if apps keep old conversations once number is re-cycled. Anyone have concrete ideas about this?[/QUOTE]Not sure why the orginal poster got banned from Google voice. I have never had an issue. Also the only way to truly be anymous is to buy a burner cash and create an email account based off of that burner then connect to those items to anymous chat. Once you download that app to a phone you own then going down the orginal senerio whole everything is trackable. Though not sure what most of you are worried about because to be complete honesty. If someone really wants to use it to trace you they will even cops. But the reality is no one is going to go that deep for some solicitation unless is underage or sex trafficing. If they are there's not much you can really do honestly.