"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[QUOTE=Mike7794;2558161]You know I have taken your advice you laid out a week or so ago. I recently cut a potential out that wanted to "keep it simple". When I had that defined she was leaning toward the do it an go arrangement, of which I replied that it sounded to much like an escort deal, and thank you but I wasn't looking for that and ended it. I will be one of the SD that won't contribute to the escorts coming on this site. If we all just collectively do the same it would go a long way to preserving what we have.[/QUOTE]Its good to know that others see the importance of this toward preserving the hobby. What goes on right now might seem innocuous enough, but all it would take is one big media story which connects one of the major SD sites to an instance of human trafficking, and we all better not be oblivious to the fact that it would then become FBI target number one.

That's not to say any legal woes would befall anyone of us reading it here, but I don't want to see SD sites that promote legitimate arrangements all be branded as online brothels, because not all of us use them that way.

What I didn't like seeing were the TV shows recently discussing this new "phenomenon". It just brings attention to too many people who have the means to eventually get it shut down. I'm talking about the Femanatzee women in congress that are jealous. It will be those type of women who would make it a crusade with the media to put a stop to it by causing these sites and the girls that sign up for them to dry up.

[QUOTE=JeezLizard;2558169]Its good to know that others see the importance of this toward preserving the hobby. What goes on right now might seem innocuous enough, but all it would take is one big media story which connects one of the major SD sites to an instance of human trafficking, and we all better not be oblivious to the fact that it would then become FBI target number one.

That's not to say any legal woes would befall anyone of us reading it here, but I don't want to see SD sites that promote legitimate arrangements all be branded as online brothels, because not all of us use them that way.[/QUOTE]This is very true. The media along with those man hating controlling women would make up lies just to have victory for their agenda.

[QUOTE=Mike7794;2558172]This is very true. The media along with those man hating controlling women would make up lies just to have victory for their agenda.[/QUOTE]Yeah the Gloria Allreds of the world, who were too fugly to get laid much even when they were younger, never had an opportunity to supplement their college education this way and thus are likely to do whatever they can to level the playing field and make life difficult for hottties.

[QUOTE=BillCullen;2557108]As one who had a run in with uncle, that advice means nothing if they really want to mess with you or the BP girl. In my case with a well reviewed girl and AFTER the act was complete they started pounding on the door. Could I have fought it and possibly won? Maybe, but the downside to losing was far greater than jumping through their hoops and accepting a deal. Bottom line, they don't need evidence to arrest, harass and ruin your life. Hell, they can even take your car if you drove there.

It's nothing but SB's for me now. Can't afford another run in with uncle.[/QUOTE]Sorry you had a bad experience. Too bad you didn't stand up for yourself in the courts. Breaking in after an act was consummated seems like a win for any defense attorney worth his salt. Unless you gave up your 5th Amendment Rights or the girl did, I doubt they had enough to convict. Or were there key facts not mentioned like the girl setting one up?

But true. IF the cops want to mess with you they will. Sure they can arrest you for apparently no reason. That said, just because the cops CAN mess with you doesn't mean that one should not take precaution, preserve their rights or play in a way that allows an attorney to get charges dropped or prevail.

If one can't stand the potential embarrassment at home or professionally, then one ought not play the game. Seems like SB dating isn't risk free either, plenty of chances for a SB to create a scene, contact a SO, blow up a phone or create other kind of trouble. I can't recall seeing it YET, but me thinks if LE is running stings off of CL & BP, at some point some crusading LE is gunna find a way into the SB scene too.

So yeah, go ahead and "date" using your personal email address, phone number registered in your own name, take your phone into dates and talk sex for money! The evening news is waiting for you. Jeez.

Nah, I think it makes sense to play carefully and safe if for no other reason than to give one's attorney a fighting chance. Me thinks most of what was mentioned would do that, but I'm all ears for additional suggestions.

Oh, and in addition in the situation where one does encounter LE, it makes sense to know ones rights and how to avoid giving up one's rights. 20-min of the follow gives a good primer.

[URL]https://youtu.be/yqMjMPlXzdA[/URL]

Stay safe!

The cute tourist I fucked last week actually came at me with a request for $$$$.5 a date. Here was my response. It got me down to my usual $ a date. I usually just delete GPS girls, but I was bored and horny, so I gave it a shot. I may have posted this before. Here is my updated version.

"I don't really negotiate and here's why. I feel every girl is worth what she perceives her value to be, whatever that amount is. If I tell you that you are worth less, then your opinion of me is going be less as well. And I don't see that as an ideal place to start a relationship of any kind.

But I will say this. You are new to this and here is what you are going to find out. Is that many of the guys on here are full of shit. And the ones that will pay more? Well guess what? They want every girl they can have, and at those higher amounts they can have any girl they want. So they see you a few times (or once) and then poof. They're gone.

And maybe that's all you want. But I need something reasonable, long term and someone I can count on.

What about you?"

Good Luck to Everyone this Summer.

" the hot 19-24 year old body and face gets old fast when a girl is annoying. ".

Yeah well, I think many of us have older, less interested SOs, some menopausal and dried up. Nothing feels better than a 22 yr old vagina-period. Right now in my life I am happy to have one to play in whenever I want. I do not need to talk politics, educate them, or ask their advice about -well -anything. I don't need to validate my manhood or pimp my ego by having them scream out in delight. I just need her to lie down -stand up -bend over -whatever I ask her to do --and make me happy. OTOH, if you want to experience a date-like environment -get a PhD candidate -they are here too.

LEO: is a real risk in the escort world. For 10 yrs I saw many, went through high dollar services, and some with their own web pages. I felt anxious every single time I made my way to a hotel room. But the excitement was hard to deny. I was lucky, and no longer dabble in that world. All of the services I used then were busted and shut down. They could easily make an example of select Sugar sites by setting up a bust. But most SDs go through a M&G process 1st, then move on to the FC later, which makes it seem safer and more like a date. The volume is not high enough to make it worth LE time to try to nab one guy who takes his Pot to dinner, then to the FC. I think that is what will protect the Sugar sites. If an SB offers an immediate trip to the FC for $X--run!

I don't think individual SDs have that much to worry about in terms of stings. LE isn't interested in going after individual difficult to prosecute cases.

However shutting down the sites by strangulating their e-commerce mechanism would represent a big win for either a single politician, a group with an agenda (femi-nazis have been mentioned here already, that's one possibility), or the FBI wanting to show their might, and that's the real risk.

The reason it's not good for us individually to have text or emails showing offers of money for sex has more to do with protecting ourselves from legal issues in the event of a disgruntled SB turned stalker when they are cut off from the sugar, or whatever the case may be. If we call the cops on an SB, and they have proof we offered them sex, our mug shot is going on display for the world to see and that's not good for many of our professional lives or relationships. Folks who have no SO, and are independently wealthy probably have much less to fear in these types of scenarios.

I suppose there is a small chance that SD sites could be used as sting launching points if the escort activity gets too high. Right now BP is much more fertile soil for that sort of work for any LE dept -- that could change in the future if BP falls.

So, two very different risks, but both are consequences of playing the game carelessly.

Just curious, but how long do you leave reach out mails to POT's on the site before you delete them? I wait a month then delete.

[QUOTE=Mike7794;2558701]Just curious, but how long do you leave reach out mails to POT's on the site before you delete them? I wait a month then delete.[/QUOTE]Two weeks on SA and one week on SD4 M.

[QUOTE=FredMoore;2558366]
LEO: is a real risk in the escort world. They could easily make an example of select Sugar sites by setting up a bust. But most SDs go through a M&G process 1st, then move on to the FC later, which makes it seem safer and more like a date. The volume is not high enough to make it worth LE time to try to nab one guy who takes his Pot to dinner, then to the FC. I think that is what will protect the Sugar sites. If an SB offers an immediate trip to the FC for $X--run![/QUOTE]You make excellent points! For me, just because the risk is low doesn't mean I am not cautious and preventative. Shoot just had a SB who took 200+ texts to land as she was denser than a rock and could not understand the concept of a "Poetry Reading Fee. " Only when she said, "Oh, a donation" did she get it and by then the line was crossed.

So going through the M&G process in theory does offer a level of comfort. Yes, been told LE has a cost-benefit analysis to stings and these would rank low. That said, however, if one has been talking sex for money via email / text and shows up for a M&G it is all over: especially if one is carrying the phone / device that has those texts / communications tied to it. Female LE will text / call the way she made contact and when it goes off in your possession there is no denying it was you: electronic offer made, person tied to electronic offer, done deal.

Seems like the same thing goes for the m&g, if it is a sting, girl is going to get one to try to say some form of sex for money in her presence and for the wire she's wearing.

But seems low probability for now. Once some pimp starts putting his girls up on these sites then the Trafficking Task Forces will make it a priority. I periodically watch the "Sex Slaves" series on cable and see self-righteous types there talking about solving the problem by attacking the Johns. Now don't get me wrong, trafficking, forced service or even BF coercion is wrong and should be eliminated. However, doesn't one "fix" the problem by legalizing the industry and getting it out of the shadows? OK, enough soapboxing.

[QUOTE=CephlapodLove;2559047]
Once some pimp starts putting his girls up on these sites then the Trafficking Task Forces will make it a priority. I periodically watch the "Sex Slaves" series on cable and see self-righteous types there talking about solving the problem by attacking the Johns. Now don't get me wrong, trafficking, forced service or even BF coercion is wrong and should be eliminated. However, doesn't one "fix" the problem by legalizing the industry and getting it out of the shadows? OK, enough soapboxing.[/QUOTE]Part of the issue is that the definition of trafficking is broader in reach than many realize. For example, a girl could be of the age of consent in the state she resides and be with her boyfriend legally. If he decides to hook her up on a SD site and uploads photos to the site, if she is not of the federal minimum age then he has just trafficked her across state boundaries. No coercion or forcible act needed. Whoever is the unlucky SD that gets involved with her is now a part of the trafficking case. I doubt he'd be convicted but who wants their mug shot in the news?

There are way too many GPS in my neck of the woods.

I got this response from another girl on SA and just sat there shaking my head. Damn, where the fuck they pull these numbers from?

[B][I]Lessnp
Hi please see my expectations located on my profile (2k per meeting) let me know if manageable :-)[/I][/B]

[QUOTE=Smokarz_XO;2559671]There are way too many GPS in my neck of the woods.

I got this response from another girl on SA and just sat there shaking my head. Damn, where the fuck they pull these numbers from?

[B][I]Lessnp
Hi please see my expectations located on my profile (2k per meeting) let me know if manageable :-)[/I][/B][/QUOTE]Which woods are you in?

[QUOTE=JeezLizard;2559076]Part of the issue is that the definition of trafficking is broader in reach than many realize. For example, a girl could be of the age of consent in the state she resides and be with her boyfriend legally. If he decides to hook her up on a SD site and uploads photos to the site, if she is not of the federal minimum age then he has just trafficked her across state boundaries. No coercion or forcible act needed. Whoever is the unlucky SD that gets involved with her is now a part of the trafficking case. I doubt he'd be convicted but who wants their mug shot in the news?[/QUOTE]OK, that is a good point. Would not the "fix" be to avoid all girls that are "not of the federal minimum age?" What is that age 18 or 21?

Age of consent is between 16 and 18 in the USA states with each one having their own laws. But it appears as though 18 is federal age of consent, but realize this is not thorough or exhaustive. Do the Trafficking statutes list a different age? [I]Anyone have a better reference?[/I].

[URL]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ages_of_consent_in_North_America[/URL]

[I]scroll down and look at summary of law for your state[/I]

My personal belief is that anyone 21+ messing with someone under 18 should be in trouble. Apparently several legislatures do not agree with me.

So would not keeping the age of one's SBs over 18 avoid trafficking issue?

[QUOTE=Smokarz_XO;2559671]There are way too many GPS in my neck of the woods.

I got this response from another girl on SA and just sat there shaking my head. Damn, where the fuck they pull these numbers from?

[B][I]Lessnp
Hi please see my expectations located on my profile (2k per meeting) let me know if manageable :-)[/I][/B][/QUOTE]Those girls are throwing something against the wall to see if it sticks, or like playing the lottery.

[QUOTE=CephlapodLove;2560185]OK, that is a good point. Would not the "fix" be to avoid all girls that are "not of the federal minimum age?" What is that age 18 or 21?

Age of consent is between 16 and 18 in the USA states with each one having their own laws. But it appears as though 18 is federal age of consent, but realize this is not thorough or exhaustive. Do the Trafficking statutes list a different age? [I]Anyone have a better reference?[/I].

[URL]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ages_of_consent_in_North_America[/URL]

[I]scroll down and look at summary of law for your state[/I]

My personal belief is that anyone 21+ messing with someone under 18 should be in trouble. Apparently several legislatures do not agree with me.

So would not keeping the age of one's SBs over 18 avoid trafficking issue?[/QUOTE]Damn that was an eye opener for my state. Not only 16, but if the girl is 13 or older it is lawful as long as the boy is under 18. What kind of s* it that? I have a 13 year old daughter, and she can have sex with a boy under 18? I'm shocked really.

[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;2560085]Which woods are you in?[/QUOTE]Hartford, CT.

[QUOTE=BikeRider;2550817]I agree with JL. Airbnb is a bit too risky.

I believe BigTig found a room rental on Craigslist back in the day. He was up front with the woman who was renting the room, and she was cool with it. If you've a large rotation and you're looking to reduce room costs, I'd go the CL route.[/QUOTE]Wow that is a great memory. But correct, I actually had two different placed. The second one was a little closer. The good thing about CL is that it can be a cash business and as long as you pay and don't cause drama, they will not mess with you.

I recently looked at another place and the woman showed me one room and told me the other room was rented by two men who brought there women there. She didn't ask any questions as long as the money is on time. I've found that, even if you want to be upfront, you can't be too specific. I would mainly say that I'm starting new business in the area and would not be there much. I'd ask if they had any restrictions on overnight guests staying with me and that would get the message across. .

I only resorted to this because my hotel bills were exceeding 1 k per month. The room came in at $600 per month and I had more access. My only major requirement was a private bath, which made it harder to find.

BigTigg.

[QUOTE=CephlapodLove;2560185]OK, that is a good point. Would not the "fix" be to avoid all girls that are "not of the federal minimum age?"
[/QUOTE]In a perfect world, yes that would prevent individual SDs from getting involved in trafficking cases, but human error does occur and I wonder how many SDs are going to ask for identification from every girl, knowing she is going to ask for their ident in return (thereby exposing themselves and violating my anonymity recommendation). Not to mention the girl could have a fake ident. Technically the SD sites do not allow girls under 18, and that should be avoidance enough, but history is shown that we still need to be on our toes about this.

However, it's important to understand that prevention of individual SDs getting busted is one of two distinct issues I've been discussing here, and IMO the lesser of the two risks.

The big risk is that "something like" a trafficking case brings unwanted attention to the SD sites, shutting down the commerce pipeline that makes them possible. And, all it would take is one high profile media case of the scenario I've described. It doesn't matter if SDs check her IDs and avoid her or not, it could still happen if people see SD sites as an escort mechanism. That's the part I think we should all be worried about if we want to preserve the hobby.

The trafficking example is just that -- an example. Something like the Google exec / heroin call girl media case could also bring similar, unwanted attention. Anything that piques prosecutors interest. Recently it was "revenge porn" sites, in the near future it could be SD sites.

[QUOTE=CephlapodLove;2559047]...
That said, however, if one has been talking sex for money via email / text and shows up for a M&G it is all over: especially if one is carrying the phone / device that has those texts / communications tied to it. Female LE will text / call the way she made contact and when it goes off in your possession there is no denying it was you: electronic offer made, person tied to electronic offer, done deal.
....[/QUOTE]HWG 1-2-3 methodology mentions $ per date and I use phrases like 'I can offer 100 per meeting' in text / email. Can I get nailed?

So my little Hawaiian Princess has just decided that she needs some refuge from her family that she was staying with in L. A. So she made me save her and she is now living with me for the next week?. Month? I don't know and I don't really care. Now its just me feeding her and that's about it. I estimate she will cost me .3 a day at the most.

She is almost a zero maintenance girl. So totally unexpected, but what the hell. All I have to deal with is my ATF and we will find a way to manage. My princess is OK with the ATF coming over twice a week to make sure I get laid properly. So I think we will all be OK.

She is still a virgin -1 and I agreed I will not try to fuck her as long as we can do everything else. And she agreed. These are quality problems gentleman.

I bought one from Walmart, they are looking to verify a social security number. I tried a bogus one but it would not validate.

Suggestions requested.

Thanks.

T.

[QUOTE=Telcova;2560587]I bought one from Walmart, they are looking to verify a social security number. I tried a bogus one but it would not validate.

Suggestions requested.

Thanks.

T.[/QUOTE]I have gotten One Vanilla prepaid debit cards whose max is 500. Did not have to provide any info. To register the card (for online purchases, gas stations) used a bogus name / address and the same info who should be entered when required by a transaction even though only the ZIP is matched.

First of all I want to say I enjoy reading this thread. It's very entertaining and informative. I plan on partaking in the hobby at some point, but I might be maybe 8 to 10 years away from being a real SD, unless there are some mid to late 30's SD's here. I'm learning what to do and not do, so when the time comes I'll be able to hit the ground running so to speak.

Thanks,

Uncle J.

[QUOTE=PghGuy2005;2560524]HWG 1-2-3 methodology mentions $ per date and I use phrases like 'I can offer 100 per meeting' in text / email. Can I get nailed?[/QUOTE]I assume that what we are doing on this thread is talking about Sugar Babies? In that regard the gents is only paying for the girl's time and companionship, more like the traditional meaning of the word "escort" before it was appropriated / corrupted by the Sex Industry. So the gent is offering to pay for a legitimate service.

As OP have stated, one can always get nailed or jacked around by LE and arrested. However, convictions are another thing. The point is that many jurisdictions have established "case law" that it is NOT illegal to pay a girl for a legitimate service: dancing, conversation, body rubs, reading Emily Dickinson to you. So if it can be shown that a legitimate service was paid for, then it is hard or impossible to prove that any resulting sex was paid for. This is why many of the BP girls and escorts have a disclaimer that goes something like this: [I]Money is exchanged for personal companionship and not sexual actions. However, should consenting adults decide, no sexual acts should be construed to have been paid for.[/I] How is a prosecutor able to know what your "intent" was? Unless one opens their mouth, that is a private thought.

One can't explicitly offer money for sex acts. Period. One CAN pay a girl to read them Poetry, and then if Nature takes its course and two consenting adults, of the age of majority, engage in sex acts, it was in no way paid for. So if one wants to add a level of "protection" against conviction they could explicitly mention the fee is for (includes payment for) Poetry Reading, Body rub, stripping, etc. Just don't mentioning specific sex acts.

Of course nine times out of ten, when a dude does get caught with his pants down by LE, he opens his mouth, gives up his 5th Amendment Rights and admits to something illegal. Cops are trained to get you to do this. This is why the "Busted" video is so important.

All fwiw!

[QUOTE=PghGuy2005;2560524]HWG 1-2-3 methodology mentions $ per date and I use phrases like 'I can offer 100 per meeting' in text / email. Can I get nailed?[/QUOTE]I would think that simply specifying per date amount is probably a violation of SA's terms of service and definition of "allowance", but probably in itself not illegal since a meeting isn't necessarily sex.

However it's important to note that if the SB tells a cop you agreed to $ for sex, he can arrest you and your mug shot is now in the search engines whether you admit to it or not. , or whether he has any further proof other than taking her word for it. They might drop the charge later that afternoon but by that time the damage is done, your mug shot becomes public record and front page news. So it's not only important to not specifically specify $ for sex, its important that she doesn't perceive the arrangement as working that way -- otherwise her simple perception plus careless language with an officer could still get you arrested.

So you just have to avoid LE involvement altogether if there is any implication of pay-per-play. If you can honestly say you have never agreed to pay anything for anything, and are sure you can back it all up, then you might avoid getting arrested but it's not a guarantee. This is a position I don't like to be in at all, because if the SB goes psycho, the law is unlikely to favor our side of things.

Many years ago a girl I was banging (not an SB) got jealous and made a scene, and in order to avoid her physical blows or put myself in jeopardy of being charged by touching / subduing her, I just got in my car to get the fuck out of there. So she kicks dents in the side of my (new) car as I'm pulling out. I couldn't do anything in terms of police involvement because I was in a LTR at the time and wasn't supposed to be creeping around that night anyway. If I had gone to the cops I ran the risk of her making something up and charging me. So I just had to take my lumps (or dents in this case). Pussy is never free.

My point is that if we are playing covertly, we can't count on the law to help us when things go bad. It's kind of like illegal immigrants not being able to report being robbed for fear of being deported.

[QUOTE=Telcova;2560587]I bought one from Walmart, they are looking to verify a social security number. I tried a bogus one but it would not validate.

Suggestions requested.
[/QUOTE]My understanding is that prepaid credit cards (which can be reloaded) aren't anonymous, while gift cards are. Well sort of. The level of anonymity is good enough to hide transactions from the wife but not truly anonymous. LE can track everything from the card or check that was used to purchase the prepaid or gift card (you could pay cash and bypass that one to some extent) to obtaining video surveillance of the purchaser (they are able to do this because of course criminals and terrorists use prepaid cards and burner phones). Not an issue for a typical SD or monger.

For SD purposes if your goal is just to keep the transactions off one of your "known" card, I wouldn't worry too much about putting in your social. Don't put a fake SSN in, that's identify theft and is a crime in itself.

If you aren't comfortable with that you might try the gift cards.

[QUOTE=JeezLizard;2560723]My understanding is that prepaid credit cards (which can be reloaded) aren't anonymous, while gift cards are. Well sort of. The level of anonymity is good enough to hide transactions from the wife but not truly anonymous. LE can track everything from the card or check that was used to purchase the prepaid or gift card (you could pay cash and bypass that one to some extent) to obtaining video surveillance of the purchaser (they are able to do this because of course criminals and terrorists use prepaid cards and burner phones). Not an issue for a typical SD or monger.

For SD purposes if your goal is just to keep the transactions off one of your "known" card, I wouldn't worry too much about putting in your social. Don't put a fake SSN in, that's identify theft and is a crime in itself.[/QUOTE]Exactly. The charge of solicitation is usually a misdemeanor, as such there is little cost benefit to LE getting court orders to search CC records, look a surveillance tapes to identify who bought a card, etc. Er, unless one is tied to a larger crime like trafficking. It IS cost effective to get you to incriminate yourself.

[QUOTE=JeezLizard;2560723]If you aren't comfortable with that you might try the gift cards.[/QUOTE]

Do gift cards work on SA, SD4 M and other such sites? Can one use it for a re-occuring monthly charges for a cell phone?

Since we are on the topic of avoiding LE what should one do if busted?

If the only words out of one's mouth is "I am not saying anything until my attorney gets here" the right thing to do? Of course LE will try to scare one into admitting to the act.

[QUOTE=CephlapodLove;2560839]...
Do gift cards work on SA, SD4 M and other such sites? Can one use it for a re-occuring monthly charges for a cell phone?[/QUOTE]Gift cards can be used wherever credit / debit cards are accepted but cannot use them to get cash from ATMs.

SD4 ME puts fraudulent charges on the card you use though in my case it was not too much about $4. Your bank may issue virtual card numbers with a set limit and expiration date which can be used on SD4 ME.

Finally check out [URL]abine.com[/URL] to keep charges off your real life card they will be masked and appear as charges from abine. There is a fee for the service and they also offer telephone numbers to use instead of your real number.

[QUOTE=JeezLizard;2560723]My understanding is that prepaid credit cards (which can be reloaded) aren't anonymous, while gift cards are. Well sort of. The level of anonymity is good enough to hide transactions from the wife but not truly anonymous. LE can track everything from the card or check that was used to purchase the prepaid or gift card (you could pay cash and bypass that one to some extent) to obtaining video surveillance of the purchaser (they are able to do this because of course criminals and terrorists use prepaid cards and burner phones). Not an issue for a typical SD or monger.
...[/QUOTE]Even if the surveillance video identifies customers matching them with the transactions will depend on the recollection of the clerk. Of course they can investigate all the cash paying customers but that will need more resources.

What sabout prepaid Vi $a from CVS or 7-Eleven. I doubt the cashier in 7-11 will ask for your social if you paid for the card with cash.

[QUOTE=JeezLizard;2560723]My understanding is that prepaid credit cards (which can be reloaded) aren't anonymous, while gift cards are. Well sort of. The level of anonymity is good enough to hide transactions from the wife but not truly anonymous. LE can track everything from the card or check that was used to purchase the prepaid or gift card (you could pay cash and bypass that one to some extent) to obtaining video surveillance of the purchaser (they are able to do this because of course criminals and terrorists use prepaid cards and burner phones). Not an issue for a typical SD or monger.

For SD purposes if your goal is just to keep the transactions off one of your "known" card, I wouldn't worry too much about putting in your social. Don't put a fake SSN in, that's identify theft and is a crime in itself.

If you aren't comfortable with that you might try the gift cards.[/QUOTE]

Surely it will come down to mind over matter.

[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;2560565]So my little Hawaiian Princess has just decided that she needs some refuge from her family that she was staying with in L. A. So she made me save her and she is now living with me for the next week?. Month? I don't know and I don't really care. Now its just me feeding her and that's about it. I estimate she will cost me .3 a day at the most.

She is almost a zero maintenance girl. So totally unexpected, but what the hell. All I have to deal with is my ATF and we will find a way to manage. My princess is OK with the ATF coming over twice a week to make sure I get laid properly. So I think we will all be OK.

She is still a virgin -1 and I agreed I will not try to fuck her as long as we can do everything else. And she agreed. These are quality problems gentleman.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=CephlapodLove;2560839]Exactly. The charge of solicitation is usually a misdemeanor, as such there is little cost benefit to LE getting court orders to search CC records, look a surveillance tapes to identify who bought a card, etc. Er, unless one is tied to a larger crime like trafficking. It IS cost effective to get you to incriminate yourself.



Do gift cards work on SA, SD4 M and other such sites? Can one use it for a re-occuring monthly charges for a cell phone?[/QUOTE]Yes, nobody is going to go tracing prepaid cards or burner phones unless something serious has gone down.

To the best of my knowledge, the VISA / MC gift cards work basically like regular cards and should be valid wherever those are accepted, but I'm not sure about individual websites -- they may have a way to disallow prepaid ones. One issue could come up with address validation -- perhaps not an issue on an SD site but on other sites where they are shipping merchandise -- some of them might use software that validates the address on the card against that of the individual, and with a gift card that doesn't have an address that might not go through. Someone else maybe could comment because I've never tried this. My SO doesn't see any of my bank statements and I'm careful never to do anything illegal so I just use real info.

[QUOTE=PghGuy2005;2560857]Since we are on the topic of avoiding LE what should one do if busted?

If the only words out of one's mouth is "I am not saying anything until my attorney gets here" the right thing to do? Of course LE will try to scare one into admitting to the act.[/QUOTE]I would probably do all my talking through a lawyer.

[QUOTE=PghGuy2005;2560878]Even if the surveillance video identifies customers matching them with the transactions will depend on the recollection of the clerk. Of course they can investigate all the cash paying customers but that will need more resources.[/QUOTE]Every prepaid card or phone has in effect what is a serial number uniquely identifying it. If LE came looking for video footage, it only takes a few minutes to see the exact time and date and at which register # that card was sold at (even if they pay in cash). Then they are about 2 more minutes away from retrieving the archived digital video clip showing the customer and the clerk performing the transaction, usually in high definition and at multiple angles.

That is, at least at any Walmart / BestBuy or reasonably modern place. Some of the video surveillance systems are sophisticated enough that they can do it in one step -- type in the serial # of the item and watch the video, all in seconds. I'm sure if you bought a prepaid card at a small no-name gas station or store where the owner doesn't keep his cameras working, then it could be harder of course. But good camera systems are cheap and easy these days and even the rural no-name stores usually have them in good working order. It might take a little longer to find when the card was sold, but they have less records to sort through as well so in most cases the video would be readily available if LE really wanted it.

Again though I wouldn't sweat this at all as an SD. Hopefully nobody is doing anything shady enough to have a need for that level of anonymity. It's good enough for hiding transactions from the wife.

[QUOTE=CephlapodLove;2560185]
My personal belief is that anyone 21+ messing with someone under 18 should be in trouble. Apparently several legislatures do not agree with me.[/QUOTE]What kind of girls do you think they like? They're not going to pass laws that get themselves in deep trouble. They're stupid, but not THAT stupid.

[QUOTE=PghGuy2005;2560857]Since we are on the topic of avoiding LE what should one do if busted?

If the only words out of one's mouth is "I am not saying anything until my attorney gets here" the right thing to do? Of course LE will try to scare one into admitting to the act.[/QUOTE]My bust (BP, NOT SD) was very different from the norm. I knew they were in very sketchy territory so I said nothing and denied everything. "I was there visiting a friend. No, you can't look at my phone". The one mistake I did make was I gave them I'd when asked. My lawyer later said it was a very gray area and they probably could've forced me to give it anyway.

So there's two uncles & one aunt in the room and it was very obvious they were frustrated by me. Kinda funny looking back on it. They didn't know what to do so they let me go. I walked to a nearby business, waited for them to leave, then walked back, got my car & left. They contacted me a couple hours later and told me they swore out a warrant. The very ambiguous & uncle friendly bawdy place statute. Do other states have this, or just mine?

I went to see a lawyer the next morning and then turned myself in with him at my side.

Bottom line: Shut up & deny. No matter what they say or what the situation is, they are NOT your friend.

[QUOTE=Crow999;2560888]What sabout prepaid Vi $a from CVS or 7-Eleven. I doubt the cashier in 7-11 will ask for your social if you paid for the card with cash.[/QUOTE]The social doesn't come into play at the time you buy the card, typically they have to be activated before you can use them, and I guess CC require social (or at least some of them)? If its a reloadable credit card, it will need a way for you to add funds to it at some point. If it's a gift card / prepaid debit, then as long as the website accepts them I suppose if you paid cash you're probably as anonymous as one can get.

Nothing remotely connected to the Internet or computers is truly anonymous. There are more ways to track someone than could even be discussed here. Just getting a prepaid card or burner phone is enough to throw the wife off the trail, but beyond that it would barely put a speed bump in the road for LE.

If the purpose is to not have one's real name in an SD site membership list (in case they get hacked like AM did with the threat of members published), then as long as the website accepts the card it should be good enough.