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[QUOTE=Smokarz_XO;2547709]Get the Google Voice app. I'be been using it for years, and love it. No need for a burner phone.[/QUOTE]Not free, but lets you send pics back and forth, have different numbers for different shit and has a passcode if you want.
Oh yeh, tracfone was killing me on text till they made a text only card. I think on-line only, 1000 text for $10. Use a prepaid cc under fake name, easy and safe.
[QUOTE=Telcova;2547568]A couple pre-pre-pots want to only converse via text. Are they going to chew through my burner minutes?
Hope to contribute meaningfully soon here[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=SteveDupont;2547578]I think the best browser to use for privacy is Firefox. I use it for my extracurricular activities. Its privacy settings are the best, and you can ask it to forget any website. Once it forgets, it forgets. It won't autofill in the name of any naughty website for you.
With the other browsers, you WILL forget to go private or incognito, and type in a naughty website in the browser bar. When you do that, you will have no other choice but to delete the browser from your hard drivev and reinstall it.
Not so with Firefox.[/QUOTE]All of the browsers will let you set them to not remember cookies / autofill / history etc. Between sessions, it's just a matter of configuring it to do so. I assume with Firefox you're referring to setting it to always be in private mode? That's one option, although Firefox is a bit idiotic in the sense that it doesn't show you visual confirmation that you're in private mode.
IMO the best thing to do is to not share a computer with the SO, but if you must, the next best solution is to simply develop good habits of going into private mode when you want privacy of session. Once you extend an effort to just get in the habit of hitting ctrl-shift-p or ctrl-shift-and or whatever before you browse to the naughtiness, it will become second nature. If you do slip up you can clear it all out in any browser without needing to reinstall the browser.
Really if taking that one precaution is difficult, then much more serious mistakes are looming in the future for any married guy playing in the bowl or anywhere else for that matter.
A lot of the babies are on it and I've used it for a few of them. My only problem with it is that there isn't a laptop version. I'm a touch typist, so like using my laptop for texting, email, etc. Rather than my iPhone keyboard (yeah, I'm an older fart, LOL). But, if it works for the baby who am I to complain. Once she's comfy with me we move to regular text.
I do put my kik handle in my initial contact with the babies
Good hunting!
Travelin'.
[QUOTE=ToeLover57;2547125]I didn't see anything about this in my search here so I guess it hasn't come up. I like this phone app as an alternative to a burner phone that I would have to hide from the wife. So far three of my SB contacts ranging in age from 18 to 41 have it. No exchange of phone numbers needed and it shows when the message is read. Basically just an instant messenger that is the most popular one right now. In fact was on national news this week as a bad thing as pedophiles could use it to chat with underage girls. You can send pics with it as well.[/QUOTE]
You may show up as a suggested friend, but it won't automatically show them your profile. If you've managed your privacy settings appropriately (everything should be set to "only me") then you'll be fine (assuming of course you didn't give you SB your real name, and you're not using a picture of yourself on your FB page. As opposed to your kid, your dog, a picture of a. Well, you get my point).
[QUOTE=DogSun;2547675]It's possible I'm wrong, but if you search for someone on facebook and then don't friend request them, then facebook will show this person to you under suggested friends. I don't believe it will show them your profile.[/QUOTE]
So tonight I finally met up with a 19 yo latina spinner who agreed to my $100 donation. She was a little skeptical at first, but as we chatted over the past week she warmed up to me and realized I was legit and not an asshole like she's been running into apparently. Her situation is she has a young kid and the father / husband was out of the picture and she has her own place (more on this in a bit). So she was at her mom's, I get her to walk a good bit away and I scoop her up after some directional mishaps. We had already agreed to just go straight to her place, we had also already agreed to a date tomorrow so this was just a warm-up essentially. We get to her place, relax a bit, and then I hear the front door open. She gets very quiet, listens, then says "its just the renters for the other room". Apparently she sublet 2 of the 3 rooms in this apartment. Whatever, I listened and they were friendly chatting in spanish and doing their own thing for a bit then leave. I was a bit nervous at not knowing there were other people in the apartment as she hadn't told me, but the alarm in my head finally quieted down and I got back to it.
Now when I entered the apartment, I did the usual room sweep and I also locked the deadbolt on the front door (the only entrance to the apartment besides windows). Well, when the renters left they did not re-lock the door or use the deadbolt, and this almost got my ass killed. What latina chick failed to tell me was the husband lived THREEE FUCKING APARTMENTS DOWN and he apparently saw us ride up. So after the renters had left, we started doing our thing and I got a couple of orgasms out of her. We were just getting ready for some DT on me when I hear a bang on the front door. I think we've all heard that bang on the door at least once in our career, but usually it's a handler right? Well this was apparently a very pissed off husband, who promptly let himself in, got to the bedroom door and kicked it open when she wouldn't open it. I'll give it to the guy, if I walked in on a guy with my wife like that I'd probably be rather unfriendly. Fortunately my very stout Mexican friend was far more pissed off at her and told me "I should go" after exchanging words (all in Spanish, which I don't speak a word of) and a few slaps with her. I always leave my clothes and belongings in a very ordered setup for a quick evac and that once again saved my butt as I was completely dressed except for shoes by the time Hernando broke the door in half. I had gathered my belongings waiting for a way out and I took it when he offered it. Real nice of him, as soon as I heard that front door open I had already braced myself for a fight and I was relieved to get out without a scratch as that would have been very difficult to explain.
I was out the $. 2 I had already deposited in the girl's pocketbook without her noticing (I left her $20 extra for some minor expenses) and a set of blueballs, but intact. Disappointed I didn't to sample that extremely tight pussy with anything except my tongue and fingers, but it could have been worse.
[QUOTE=ReaperGuy;2548079]So tonight I finally met up with a 19 yo latina spinner who agreed to my $100 donation. She was a little skeptical at first, but as we chatted over the past week she warmed up to me and realized I was legit and not an asshole like she's been running into apparently. Her situation is she has a young kid and the father / husband was out of the picture and she has her own place (more on this in a bit). So she was at her mom's, I get her to walk a good bit away and I scoop her up after some directional mishaps. We had already agreed to just go straight to her place, we had also already agreed to a date tomorrow so this was just a warm-up essentially. We get to her place, relax a bit, and then I hear the front door open. She gets very quiet, listens, then says "its just the renters for the other room". Apparently she sublet 2 of the 3 rooms in this apartment. Whatever, I listened and they were friendly chatting in spanish and doing their own thing for a bit then leave. I was a bit nervous at not knowing there were other people in the apartment as she hadn't told me, but the alarm in my head finally quieted down and I got back to it.
Now when I entered the apartment, I did the usual room sweep and I also locked the deadbolt on the front door (the only entrance to the apartment besides windows). Well, when the renters left they did not re-lock the door or use the deadbolt, and this almost got my ass killed. What latina chick failed to tell me was the husband lived THREEE FUCKING APARTMENTS DOWN and he apparently saw us ride up. So after the renters had left, we started doing our thing and I got a couple of orgasms out of her. We were just getting ready for some DT on me when I hear a bang on the front door. I think we've all heard that bang on the door at least once in our career, but usually it's a handler right? Well this was apparently a very pissed off husband, who promptly let himself in, got to the bedroom door and kicked it open when she wouldn't open it. I'll give it to the guy, if I walked in on a guy with my wife like that I'd probably be rather unfriendly. Fortunately my very stout Mexican friend was far more pissed off at her and told me "I should go" after exchanging words (all in Spanish, which I don't speak a word of) and a few slaps with her. I always leave my clothes and belongings in a very ordered setup for a quick evac and that once again saved my butt as I was completely dressed except for shoes by the time Hernando broke the door in half. I had gathered my belongings waiting for a way out and I took it when he offered it. Real nice of him, as soon as I heard that front door open I had already braced myself for a fight and I was relieved to get out without a scratch as that would have been very difficult to explain.
I was out the $. 2 I had already deposited in the girl's pocketbook without her noticing (I left her $20 extra for some minor expenses) and a set of blueballs, but intact. Disappointed I didn't to sample that extremely tight pussy with anything except my tongue and fingers, but it could have been worse.[/QUOTE]Glad you got out of it safely. This is one reason I don't do UTRs (those are about the only ones who would ever invite you to their residence first). A true SB will want a meeting somewhere public first, at least for drinks or a meal or whatever. I don't like the idea of going to their place at all for this very reason (even if the husband or BF doesn't live 3 doors down, he could still come by at any time). I suspect the situation you encountered is the most common (he's too pissed at her to pay much attention to you), but who needs the aggravation of it leading to a potential 911 call or a deputy knocking on your door with a subpoena dragging you into court to testify after he beats the crap out of her or worse kills her? Not to mention the interrupted session and money lost.
Too much aggravation. Anyone who will agree to a price and invite you to her place on the first date is easy enough to take to a cheap motel on the first date without risk of offending her. Much better risk / reward setup.
[QUOTE=JeezLizard;2548115]Glad you got out of it safely. This is one reason I don't do UTRs (those are about the only ones who would ever invite you to their residence first). A true SB will want a meeting somewhere public first, at least for drinks or a meal or whatever. I don't like the idea of going to their place at all for this very reason (even if the husband or BF doesn't live 3 doors down, he could still come by at any time). I suspect the situation you encountered is the most common (he's too pissed at her to pay much attention to you), but who needs the aggravation of it leading to a potential 911 call or a deputy knocking on your door with a subpoena dragging you into court to testify after he beats the crap out of her or worse kills her? Not to mention the interrupted session and money lost.
Too much aggravation. Anyone who will agree to a price and invite you to her place on the first date is easy enough to take to a cheap motel on the first date without risk of offending her. Much better risk / reward setup.[/QUOTE]I hate the idea of spending $50 for a room that I only use for a couple of hours tops, but after something like that I'm reconsidering. I've had very good results from going to the girls place, I'm a pretty quiet understanding guy so they usually trust me relatively fast. I just need to gather better information on what I may be walking into, if I'd known any of this information up front I'd have done a room.
I'm considering pulling the trigger on an AM membership. I'm buying the cheapest they offer that includes 100 "credits". How many credits does it take to send a message?? I'm joining to reply to one post in particular. Not really much else close to me.
[QUOTE=Bowtie;2547825]Oh yeh, tracfone was killing me on text till they made a text only card. I think on-line only, 1000 text for $10. Use a prepaid cc under fake name, easy and safe.[/QUOTE]I created a Hushed phone account. For 29.95 a year you can get an 804 number, 1000 texts a year and 500 minutes talk time. Avoids the hassle of dealing with a second phone.
[QUOTE=ReaperGuy;2548133]I hate the idea of spending $50 for a room that I only use for a couple of hours tops, but after something like that I'm reconsidering. I've had very good results from going to the girls place, I'm a pretty quiet understanding guy so they usually trust me relatively fast. I just need to gather better information on what I may be walking into, if I'd known any of this information up front I'd have done a room.[/QUOTE]The thing is you can almost never avoid the risk, even if they convince you 100% that there is no risk and even if they truly believe that themselves.
I say this more from civy dating experience than SBs, but whenever you go to a female's place there is almost always the possibility of someone coming by that will ruin your date, whether it's a jilted ex-bf or whatever. Any hot girl has one or more of these out there -- they may not all be psycho or stalking the girl or dropping by randomly out of jealousy, and if you're not married there's of course much less to lose, but honestly to me $50 doesn't sound like a bad price to pay to eliminate all the possible things that could go wrong.
The situation you encountered was very close to the classic robbery scenario -- you go to girls place where the BF is secretly waiting to barge in and interrupt everything before it goes too far (but after you've paid), telling you to get lost and of course it's an inconvenient time to ask for a refund. I don't think that's what happened in your particular case but the mechanics of how it goes down is very similar. Just read the escort boards, it happens to some poor john somewhere every day.
I always have a hotel anyway when I'm playing with SBs, but if I wanted to regularly hook up with UTRs I might just get something like a van and pick them up for cheap car dates.
[QUOTE=JeezLizard;2548115]Glad you got out of it safely. This is one reason I don't do UTRs (those are about the only ones who would ever invite you to their residence first). A true SB will want a meeting somewhere public first, at least for drinks or a meal or whatever. I don't like the idea of going to their place at all for this very reason (even if the husband or BF doesn't live 3 doors down, he could still come by at any time). I suspect the situation you encountered is the most common (he's too pissed at her to pay much attention to you), but who needs the aggravation of it leading to a potential 911 call or a deputy knocking on your door with a subpoena dragging you into court to testify after he beats the crap out of her or worse kills her? Not to mention the interrupted session and money lost.
Too much aggravation. Anyone who will agree to a price and invite you to her place on the first date is easy enough to take to a cheap motel on the first date without risk of offending her. Much better risk / reward setup.[/QUOTE]I've lost out on several girls because I wouldn't just go into their place for a M&G. I absolutely do not like to lose that much control over my surroundings.
[QUOTE=ReaperGuy;2548079]So tonight I finally met up with a 19 yo latina spinner who agreed to my $100 donation. .[/QUOTE]This is why I always get a cheap $50 hotel / motel room, even for a first meet. I rather blow $50, then get beat up or shake down for potentially much worse.
[QUOTE=FotoGuy1970;2548465]I've lost out on several girls because I wouldn't just go into their place for a M&G. I absolutely do not like to lose that much control over my surroundings.[/QUOTE]That's it exactly, remaining in control of the situation. Relinquishing control might go well 99% of the time, but it's that last 1% of the time that gets you. One of the benefits of my style of "dating" SBs is that I don't have to worry about stings, but those of you agreeing to payment up front and meeting at their place have to worry about arrest setups, or whether she or her boyfriend are filming it so she can send you a youtube link later for a blackmail setup, etc. All that on top of the potential for robbery or a jilted ex with a gun and a mental disorder. Just not worth it to make a bit of glue.
Thanks Bowtie, My burner is a tracfone, text card is on my to-do list.
[QUOTE=Bowtie;2547825]Oh yeh, tracfone was killing me on text till they made a text only card. I think on-line only, 1000 text for $10. Use a prepaid cc under fake name, easy and safe.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=ToeLover57;2547125]I didn't see anything about this in my search here so I guess it hasn't come up. I like this phone app as an alternative to a burner phone that I would have to hide from the wife. So far three of my SB contacts ranging in age from 18 to 41 have it. No exchange of phone numbers needed and it shows when the message is read. Basically just an instant messenger that is the most popular one right now. In fact was on national news this week as a bad thing as pedophiles could use it to chat with underage girls. You can send pics with it as well.[/QUOTE]The only problem is that it runs on your normal phone. If someone uses your phone, and finds kik and the history of messages then game over.
[QUOTE=JeezLizard;2548545]That's it exactly, remaining in control of the situation. Relinquishing control might go well 99% of the time, but it's that last 1% of the time that gets you. One of the benefits of my style of "dating" SBs is that I don't have to worry about stings, but those of you agreeing to payment up front and meeting at their place have to worry about arrest setups, or whether she or her boyfriend are filming it so she can send you a youtube link later for a blackmail setup, etc. All that on top of the potential for robbery or a jilted ex with a gun and a mental disorder. Just not worth it to make a bit of glue.[/QUOTE]I've generally enjoyed the slight risk, along with the fact that these women just let me into their house to fuck them. However after having a bad run-in, I'm generally reconsidering as that could have gone EXTREMELY poorly for me. I appreciate the input from you guys, even if it's something I've considered already it's good to hear how others do it and their rationale. So what do you guys about checkout for these places, do you just leave when you're done and not bother checking out or do you just check out when you're done?
So I just had to finish with the spinner from the story and we already had a pre-set lunch date, so we met up again and this time I rented a hotel. Of course all the < $50/ day ones were booked solid, so it cost a bit more than expected. Once again DATY was extensive and she tried to strangle me with her thighs a few times, it was quite lovely. With no husbands to kick in doors, this time I got mine as well. Oral was good if short, she tired out pretty fast but had good technique and I'd have busted if I wasn't holding it for the main event. So she quickly applies a condom climbs on top and rides like her life depended on it, she lets me have a good view of her body for a minute then hunkers down and starts grinding her hips into me as hard as she could with a very tight grip. I could only fit 2 fingers into her during DATY after extensive pre-work so she was really tight and it showed, I'm not sure I could jerk it and hold it as tight as she had ahold of me. I was a bit concerned when she didn't last 5 minutes of blowing, but she rode for a good 15 minutes until she finally got hers and whispered 'come for me papi' in my ear and I lost it on the spot. Pretty sure if that was condomless I wouldn't have lasted 90 seconds, it was very intense. We both collapsed for a good 15 minutes before even attempting to move, pretty spent.
Was fun, but I'm not sure the hours invested to make it work are good for me. This is a rare no-spouse weekend so I had all the time in the world, normally that's not the case. Maybe now that we're established things will go smoother, not sure I like the UTR vibe either but she fucks like an animal so maybe I'll tolerate it for now. I have a 22 year old white spinner who's accepted $150 and wants to meet as well, good news is she's close by (unknown to her of course) so sampling the goods will not be difficult.
[QUOTE=Makethescoop;2548257]I'm considering pulling the trigger on an AM membership. I'm buying the cheapest they offer that includes 100 "credits". How many credits does it take to send a message?? I'm joining to reply to one post in particular. Not really much else close to me.[/QUOTE]AM use to be very good (see my previous posts). I've not had much luck there lately, and I suspect many of the prospects have moved over to Tinder etc.
Personally, I prefer to keep a second phone. It keeps everything separate, and when the warden asks to borrow my phone I don't have to worry about what she might find.
I use T-mobile and pay $50/ mo for unlimited text / voice / data, and I didn't provide ANY personal information when starting. The cost is well worth the additional safety and freedom it gives me.
You do have the issue of what to say if the warden ever finds the second phone. I already have a very plausible cover story for that if it ever happens. You don't want the SO to think you're Heisenberg or something!
I also use Google voice that is forwarded to my burner. This way if a girl becomes a stalker (I had one many years ago), I can block her number easily. Only a few girls have ever had my direct burner number.
[QUOTE=TravelinSD;2547915]A lot of the babies are on it and I've used it for a few of them. My only problem with it is that there isn't a laptop version. I'm a touch typist, so like using my laptop for texting, email, etc. Rather than my iPhone keyboard (yeah, I'm an older fart, LOL). But, if it works for the baby who am I to complain. Once she's comfy with me we move to regular text.
I do put my kik handle in my initial contact with the babies
Good hunting!
Travelin'.[/QUOTE]I don't like it for the same reason, I can type 90+ words per minute and I'm long winded sometimes so the computer helps versus the phone keyboard. My general comms layout is this-.
Android Smartphone. Lockscreen set and my SO does not know it, she never messes with my phone anyway, I have it set to lock after 1 minute of non-use or if I press the power button. I'm looking at doing something more extensive under the guise of 'work security' to add additional security measures to it. Using Chrome incognito mode tabs for all my SD related activities, I have several tabs running usually for various things. At the top of an android, you can close all your incognito tabs with a single swipe, which makes it easy to close all your tabs if you need to allow your SO to see your phone. It's completely clean at that point. You just have to make sure you use incognito mode, I regularly check my history and if I see an entry for something naughty I know I missed a tab and wipe everything. I have 3 chrome profiles, 1 is my legit profile, 1 is for [URL]SA.com[/URL], and 1 is for SB related communications and misc other things related to the hobby. I have google voice on all 3 accounts, the SB comms account being the one I hand out to most girls I meet. I have it set to not forward texts to messages (the default built-in texting app for android), it does display a message if I get a text with GV though. This prevents the texts from showing up on the monthly bill, which is one of the few ways my SO can see what I'm doing on my phone. I generally text with GV, but I do calls on occasion as needed. It all integrates seamlessly and unless someone is digging into your phone it's hard to spot. I also have kik but I prefer not to use it unless the baby insists, some of them are skittish and don't want to give out their phone #. I'm careful to close it when I'm done and I also don't have the shortcut easily visible (its in a folder that isn't on my home screens). My setup is not for those with nosy SOs / relatives / coworkers etc who can get into your phone when you're not there, but it works for me due to the upfront security I use along with a religious habit of locking my phone immediately when not in use.
Home Computer. I rarely use this as my SO likes to walk into my office area unannounced and I always leave my PC on 24/7 (she has her own computer). I once again lock it religiously and have a very low idle lockout time, but it's a lot more frequent for her to see my PC monitors than my phone. When I do use it, once again I'm using Chrome in incognito mode. I do also use the GV computer interface if I'm talking to a baby and I don't feel like texting or it would look out of place (I frequently use the GV computer interface when I'm at work and a baby is trying to chat me up or I need to close a deal. All over a VPN to avoid my job snooping). Once again being very careful to select the correct profile and ensure I always use incognito mode. Learn your keyboard hotkeys for computer use, Windows Vista and later can use the Windows Key + Down Arrow to minimize the current active window, you can also do Alt key + F4 to close it if you don't want to risk it. Both are useful if someone busts in on you without notice and you can't easily swap from typing to grabbing the mouse and minimizing the window. You can also use Alt key + tab if you have your naughty window sized appropriately and it will hide behind the next window in the tab order.
[QUOTE=BikeRider;2548743]Personally, I prefer to keep a second phone. It keeps everything separate, and when the warden asks to borrow my phone I don't have to worry about what she might find.
I use T-mobile and pay $50/ mo for unlimited text / voice / data, and I didn't provide ANY personal information when starting. The cost is well worth the additional safety and freedom it gives me.
You do have the issue of what to say if the warden ever finds the second phone. [B]I already have a very plausible cover story for that if it ever happens.[/B] You don't want the SO to think you're Heisenberg or something!
I also use Google voice that is forwarded to my burner. This way if a girl becomes a stalker (I had one many years ago), I can block her number easily. Only a few girls have ever had my direct burner number.[/QUOTE]What's the plausible story?
So I started messaging this girl late last night. A very pretty 18 year old mixed girl who was just visiting L. A. for the week but was leaving today. So I got up a little early and went to see her. She was a solid 8 all around and fun to talk to, so we decided to just hit the FC since she really didn't have any time but the present. We did the most we could in an hour for the usual $. Hope she comes back to visit again some time soon.
I've been sending to SB's identified as Negotiable or Minimal; With the thinking that Practical, Moderate, Substantial and High are suffering from GPS.
Am I off base?
[QUOTE=ReaperGuy;2548133]I hate the idea of spending $50 for a room that I only use for a couple of hours tops, but after something like that I'm reconsidering. I've had very good results from going to the girls place, I'm a pretty quiet understanding guy so they usually trust me relatively fast. I just need to gather better information on what I may be walking into, if I'd known any of this information up front I'd have done a room.[/QUOTE]I use airbnb. It gives me alot more autonomy.
[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;2548779]So I started messaging this girl late last night. A very pretty 18 year old mixed girl who was just visiting L. A. for the week but was leaving today. So I got up a little early and went to see her. She was a solid 8 all around and fun to talk to, so we decided to just hit the FC since she really didn't have any time but the present. We did the most we could in an hour for the usual $. Hope she comes back to visit again some time soon.[/QUOTE]She is HOT.
Wish I could of seen her.
Well I'm not stupid enough to keep any messages no matter what I use to make dates with.
[QUOTE=BikeRider;2548731]The only problem is that it runs on your normal phone. If someone uses your phone, and finds kik and the history of messages then game over.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Telcova;2548818]I've been sending to SB's identified as Negotiable or Minimal; With the thinking that Practical, Moderate, Substantial and High are suffering from GPS.
Am I off base?[/QUOTE]I care a lot more about what the profile says (or doesn't say) than what the girl puts for allowance. You have to look for words or phrases that indicate she's looking for whatever she finds. She might have a magic number in her head that she requires, she may take whatever is offered. I've bedded 3 chicks who had something in practical or higher, I paid them no different than what I pay everyone else. I've also had chicks who put negotiable and then refused to negotiate, they only wanted their (out of my range) number. A girl can put negotiable but then you read her profile and it's clear she thinks she's a 'princess' who should be 'spoiled' and 'pampered'. Those 3 quoted words are your warning signs, if you see those its likely going you're going to next her because she drank the SA koolaid and has a bad case of GPS. You're looking for 'open to anything' or 'just have some fun'. Having said that, remember that in negotiation you very rarely get what you don't ask for, so some of these girls put whatever in both the allowance and profile info they think will get them the most. I always love seeing some 18-19 year old who was living in some rural shit hole try to act like she's some worldly chick used to having designer handbags when in reality she couldn't spell Louis Vuitton without having to look it up first. Every once in a while you'll see one that's the real deal, just admire the pictures for a few seconds then next them. Almost every white girl I've been with has had some story about being wined and dined by guys with more cash than brain cells they drop on on me at the M&G, I just nod and smile because they're making it up. If they were capable of holding onto that type of cash, they wouldn't be getting rammed from behind by me and then getting $100-150 for their trouble. I've only seen one woman who I think was the real deal, and that's because she was older and she's still stupid hot now in her 40's and I bet in her late 20's /30's she got whoever she wanted. Fortunately she had a soft spot for younger guys who have manners, so I got in for cheaper than she was requesting originally.
[QUOTE=RobTaylor;2548822]I use airbnb. It gives me alot more autonomy.[/QUOTE]I thought about this, but the reason I bailed on it is that it makes it too easy for a stalker SB to find me if I decide not to contact her again. All she has to do is offer to blow or payoff whoever rented me the room and he has details on how to track me down. A decent hotel will not release details about who is staying in what room to anyone without a warrant.
Plus I'm always worried I'll get "reviewed" on airbnb.... something like "this guy left a nasty jizz stain on my pillows and walls. Not cool and will not be invited back". Hotels do not judge the JeezLizard ;)
[QUOTE=ReaperGuy;2548732]I've generally enjoyed the slight risk, along with the fact that these women just let me into their house to fuck them. However after having a bad run-in, I'm generally reconsidering as that could have gone EXTREMELY poorly for me. I appreciate the input from you guys, even if it's something I've considered already it's good to hear how others do it and their rationale. So what do you guys about checkout for these places, do you just leave when you're done and not bother checking out or do you just check out when you're done?
So I just had to finish with the spinner from the story and we already had a pre-set lunch date, so we met up again and this time I rented a hotel. Of course all the < $50/ day ones were booked solid, so it cost a bit more than expected. Once again DATY was extensive and she tried to strangle me with her thighs a few times, it was quite lovely. With no husbands to kick in doors, this time I got mine as well. Oral was good if short, she tired out pretty fast but had good technique and I'd have busted if I wasn't holding it for the main event. So she quickly applies a condom climbs on top and rides like her life depended on it, she lets me have a good view of her body for a minute then hunkers down and starts grinding her hips into me as hard as she could with a very tight grip. I could only fit 2 fingers into her during DATY after extensive pre-work so she was really tight and it showed, I'm not sure I could jerk it and hold it as tight as she had ahold of me. I was a bit concerned when she didn't last 5 minutes of blowing, but she rode for a good 15 minutes until she finally got hers and whispered 'come for me papi' in my ear and I lost it on the spot. Pretty sure if that was condomless I wouldn't have lasted 90 seconds, it was very intense. We both collapsed for a good 15 minutes before even attempting to move, pretty spent.
Was fun, but I'm not sure the hours invested to make it work are good for me. This is a rare no-spouse weekend so I had all the time in the world, normally that's not the case. Maybe now that we're established things will go smoother, not sure I like the UTR vibe either but she fucks like an animal so maybe I'll tolerate it for now. I have a 22 year old white spinner who's accepted $150 and wants to meet as well, good news is she's close by (unknown to her of course) so sampling the goods will not be difficult.[/QUOTE]Yes, the risk is sometimes a thrill. Hypocritically enough (or seemingly so) based on my last response, I've gone home with plenty of women I met in bars back to their place, in some cases banging them with a picture of their BF or hubby right there on the nightstand next to the bed staring me down. But I only did that when I was without an SO to lose, so at the time the only risk was a potential physical confrontation with some random jealous dude which has never been a fear of mine. Even still in retrospect the times I rented a room, even with a bar pickup, were much more satisfying because it pulled them out of their home and comfort zone, giving me better sex overall than if I were screwing them in the same bed they had been in with someone that mattered to them. It's a mental separation/escape from their boring homelife for them, that pays dividends to us in the form of better sex -- at least in my experience. If you screw them in the same bed with someone they have an emotional attachment to, in some ways you are competing against matters of the heart that are too complicated to even go into here, unless it is something like the rare revenge fuck on her part, etc. She will have more fun and so will you if you go somewhere else, at least most of the time.
If you really do this a lot within the same geographic area you might consider renting a cheap apartment or room by the month. Not an option for me because when I'm doing the SD thing, I'm all over the map geographically, I don't stay in one place long.
As far as checking out of hotels, I never do it. In fact I'd say it's probably been over 20 years since I checked out of a room. For me the room is usually booked via credit card online before I get there. I just check in when I arrive to pick up the keys and leave the keys on the table before I leave. Never an issue.
[QUOTE=JeezLizard;2534736]
I once had a fuck buddy friend -- a real stunner actually, who said she was thinking about just being a single mom and raising a kid on her own (she actually had a good job and the means to do it). She said she wasn't sure if she wanted a man in her life permanently, just the kid and the career. She then started discussing the possibility of paying me to get her pregnant (no, I'm not kidding -- [b]legal paperwork and all[/b]). And no, I did not take her up on it.
[/QUOTE]Yeah, and I have seen Courts impose Child Support on dudes who thought they had a written agreement that let them off the hook. In some (many?) jurisdictions the law does not allow one to escape parental responsibility by contracting out of it! I'd consult a good attorney in my state to clarify what the courts allow before assuming one can contract away parental responsibility.
Oh and the "fantasy" I am sure many of us have. Getting paid to impregnate a woman. Now just being playful, but. Hmmm, sounds like she was offering you money to have sex with her and ejaculate inside of her? Now if the roles were reversed, we'd have a name for that, and it is illegal in 49 states. Hey, I'm just sayin' LOL!
[QUOTE=Smokarz_XO;2535842]Details are great. I appreciate it.
Just a lot more prep work then insert and pump.[/QUOTE]AMEN! I would say that 50% to 70% of the girls that refuse @nal sex do it because they had a BAD experience the first time!
Just like the posters are saying. Most guys out there are jerks. So what typically happens is that a guy is doing a girl doggie, sees the brown eye winking at him, pulls out lines it up with the brown eye and rams it home! No lube, no realization that this isn't Vag #2 and no concern for the shock or pain he imposes. So a girl who experiences that says NO! To any further experiences.
That said, I have taken a fair number of backdoor cherries and when done right, had a great time, introduced a girl to a new form of play, given many of them Os from the play and been able to repeat.
I would add this to what the OP wrote: [B]Getting in there is about TRUST and Consideration of the girl.[/B] I always tell my date that we can stop at anytime she is uncomfortable, it hurts or just wants to stop. (and I mean it!) I think that goes a long way to building trust with her. But I back that up too. After you have done all of that prep work. Ease in a little bit. Then inquire of her. How does it feel? Just the fact that you are following through on the promise to consider her goes a long way to relaxing her. Ease in a bit more. Ask. Rinse and repeat until fully buried. Going slow allows her to adjust and relax to a new sensation. Take it easy until she is comfortable.
Another thing is her being as RELAXED as possible. I try to make sure she has had an O or two as that tends to give a good amount of relaxation. Plus if one has been that selfless, she's more willing to give something to you.
Often I hear noises that are different from normal F'in and so I will stop and ask her if she is OK, if she wants to stop. Again this builds trust and points that will be rewarded. Consideration goes a long way.
Finally, I'd add. Have a brown towel nearby as even with girls who have clean up, at times, one can pull out and find brown the*ck! If that happens grab the towel and wipe off before she sees it! Girls don't like to be confronted by that stuff and she'll freak out! So take care of it before she sees it!
Oh and don't be a PIG and ask her to do ATM! Gross. From my experience that is only in Porn Movies and EXTREMELY freaky girls (<1%.
And remember, go wash yer the*ck with soap & water before putting it in her Vag again! The bacterial cultures in the azz are different to the ones in the Vag and going directly from one hole to another is a sure way to give her a nasty yeast infection!
[QUOTE=CephlapodLove;2549135]Yeah, and I have seen Courts impose Child Support on dudes who thought they had a written agreement that let them off the hook. In some (many?) jurisdictions the law does not allow one to escape parental responsibility by contracting out of it! I'd consult a good attorney in my state to clarify what the courts allow before assuming one can contract away parental responsibility.
Oh and the "fantasy" I am sure many of us have. Getting paid to impregnate a woman. Now just being playful, but. Hmmm, sounds like she was offering you money to have sex with her and ejaculate inside of her? Now if the roles were reversed, we'd have a name for that, and it is illegal in 49 states. Hey, I'm just sayin' LOL![/QUOTE]Believe me, having a kid or putting monetary value on sperm is far from a fantasy of mine. Not only do I not want any offspring of mine born from some woman who is too emotionalyl incompetent to maintain an actual relationship with a man, but being a paid sperm donor is nothing new, there have been numerous shows in the media over the last few years about guys who do this and get their jollies from the idea of spreading their seed around. And yes, there are long lists of desperate want to-be moms (and in many cases their husbands) who are willing to pay good money for sperm. I don't see any glory or fun in any of it. If I ever did want to do something like that, it certainly wouldn't be a signed promise written on a bar napkin, I'd handle it all via attorney. This can and does happen, by the way.
In the particular case I described, I'm sure you are right that she would have liked me to cum inside her. She made it very clear she was interested in dating me (I was semi-involved with someone else at the time and I made it clear I didn't need any more girlfriends but was willing to be a fuck buddy). At least she was straightforward about her true life goals and mentioned her desire to have kids, a lot of women won't even do that and will just try to lure the sperm in the old fashioned way, child support and all.
[QUOTE=CephlapodLove;2549149]AMEN! I would say that 50% to 70% of the girls that refuse @nal sex do it because they had a BAD experience the first time!![/QUOTE]Thanks for the respond Cephlapod. Very informative.
I think the overwhelming message here is building trust, have her as relax as possible, and GO SLOW!
[QUOTE=RobTaylor;2548822]I use airbnb. It gives me alot more autonomy.[/QUOTE]This is very interesting. How do you use AirBNB to book something for a couple hours, or a day?
I like to know the details if you don't mind sharing. PM if you like.
[QUOTE=Agent6969;2548868]She is HOT.
Wish I could of seen her.[/QUOTE]She looks like a 9 in the pics. Lets say she was an 8.5. Pierced nips, belly and clit.
So I message this girl on SA. She messages me back two weeks later and in her first message she says "I want a pomsky as a gift before having any type of intimate meeting". That is a $2 k to 5 k dog!! She goes on to explain that it would prove that I am for real. Her profile expectations are "negotiable". This is not my first rodeo, and I've seen messages from a lot of girls, but this was the most extreme GPS I have seen. She's not even that hot! I couldn't leave it alone. I messaged her back saying she was funny and that with all the scammers on the site, I never advance money and wished her good luck with that plan.
I wanted say more, but bit my tongue. I imagine it was actually Ivan sitting behind the computer. LOL.
[QUOTE=Madaboutmax;2549516]So I message this girl on SA. She messages me back two weeks later and in her first message she says "I want a pomsky as a gift before having any type of intimate meeting". That is a $2 k to 5 k dog!! She goes on to explain that it would prove that I am for real. Her profile expectations are "negotiable". This is not my first rodeo, and I've seen messages from a lot of girls, but this was the most extreme GPS I have seen. She's not even that hot! I couldn't leave it alone. I messaged her back saying she was funny and that with all the scammers on the site, I never advance money and wished her good luck with that plan.
I wanted say more, but bit my tongue. I imagine it was actually Ivan sitting behind the computer. LOL.[/QUOTE]SA.
Go to search.
Hit reset.
Click profile text.
Enter. Zena C
Her response to me.
"I'm looking for an arrangement with meetings about 4 times a month with a spending allowance of 2 thousand a visit ".
I saw her profile. No way anyone is getting close to that for her. I have to imagine they learn quickly there are few unicorns in the real world.
[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;2549607]SA.
Go to search.
Hit reset.
Click profile text.
Enter. Zena C
Her response to me.
"I'm looking for an arrangement with meetings about 4 times a month with a spending allowance of 2 thousand a visit ".[/QUOTE]
After fucking the random girl yesterday, I picked my Hawaiian Princes and she stayed the night. Nice to have some company for a change. She's still here now, but I may go see about fucking some new girl later tonite as my ATF is on the rag till at least Wednesday.
oops oops opps