"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

Got in touch with her through other means not SB / SD sites.

Her phone # and pictures reveal nothing so she is not a pro maybe UTR though her name showed an arrest for DUI and possession of drug paraphernalia.

Why am I even thinking about taking the plunge? She is 22 and is quite pretty in the pics. She asked (all communication via text) if I had pain medication.

If I do end up going what should I watch out for. Lives with her parents and has no transportation may be due to the DUI.

What can I say bros this is the only pretty young thing I could get!

[QUOTE=ReaperGuy;2543096]I'm not in the same area as you guys, this is just *the* place to talk about sugar. This is the first time I've actually used the guide, I'm working on re-writing with my own words. I thought I changed out a lot as I was writing, but when I go back and read it it does look like I copy pasted it. Whoops![/QUOTE]I recently had something similar happen to me. I was just at the point of scheduling the MnG when overnight she blocked me. Another pre-POT blocked me at the same time and then deleted her profile. I think they were sharing notes and discovered the similarities between the notes I was sending them. My steps are far enough away from HWG that I doubt she got a near note from another SD.

BAM.

[QUOTE=JeezLizard;2543358]Opinions and thoughts are what they are, I'm sure HWG wasn't insulted by mine (at least I hope not, not my intention). The only reason I brought it up is because the consideration of upping the budget. That is something I typically don't hear him considering, and sometimes people find their judgment is influenced by adverse health conditions. HWG's normal demographic range for POTS is different than mine, but he is now surfing in an area of the bowl where I have an enormous amount of experience over many decades. And, with regard to experience -- an ounce of real world dating experience is equivalent to a ton of sugaring experience, along the lines of understanding how women think and what makes them tick (really tick, not just the Pavlov response to money). Please don't be under the impression that I've ever shared even. 01% of my total experience with the topic being discussed here on this forum. Conclusions are easily derived, free and worth every penny on an Internet forum -- it doesn't mean I'm right on this one, as I said I hope I'm wrong.

But the one thing I've learned in all of it is that when my BS detector goes off, there is a good reason. The alarm sound itself does not necessarily provide insight as to root cause, it simply means heads up, but it never (and I do mean never) false positives. Can it work as well for someone else, remotely over the Internet? Perhaps not, it's only operating on someone else's description of what's taking place at that point.

It's really just one man's opinion and nothing more. Whenever we decide to share the details of our dates on a public forum, it only stands to reason that we are also simultaneously soliciting feedback on them. So, I gave that. That's all.[/QUOTE]Luckily the budget is now firmly at a $ although I know it will creep to $.2 and already has after 2 dates. But it's all good for now. When a girl likes you she will be reasonable. I will continue to update. And BTW I don't get insulted. This board is an honest sharing of opinions where we all agree to disagree from time to time. Back to work now.

[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;2543546]Luckily the budget is now firmly at a $ although I know it will creep to $.2 and already has after 2 dates. But it's all good for now. When a girl likes you she will be reasonable. I will continue to update. And BTW I don't get insulted. This board is an honest sharing of opinions where we all agree to disagree from time to time. Back to work now.[/QUOTE]If I thought for a moment you would have been insulted I would have just bit my lip. Like you said, this is a place where opinions collide, merge, divide. Whatever.

And yes, charm can supplant monetary rewards sometimes.

I just find that once you answer the call for more, when it comes to women, the calls will only increase in frequency and intensity, ultimately leading to the opposite of our desired effect. The same principle can be applied to marriage or a LTR. When the SO makes a demand or ultimatum (such as "give up golfing and spend more time with the kids or else I'm leaving you" it is absolutely critical that we not only stand our ground, but turn the tables on them to discourage that kind of behavior by asking if they'd like to be shown the door or if they can find it themselves? The paradox in all of this is that turning the tables on them and taking control of the situation is what they really WANT us to do (despite what they say they want), and is the *only* successful tactic against such behavior. Those requests for more, or demands, or ultimatums are really tests in disguise.

Even once we know what we NEED to do, it can sometimes be a challenge to balance needs with the short-term wants dictated to us by our smaller head. My sporadic sugaring activities make it a little easier to deal with, so I mostly mention it for the sake of those looking for long-term SBs.

All of this is one reason I offer nothing up front and gift based on performance. I know my methods are not the norm here -- but I'd love to hear of any other folks refining the "gift of unspoken amount after the fact" technique. It just solves so many problems.

Well, I was correct. Mr. Wonderful turned out to be "a douche bag" as she put it. We spent 2-1/2 hours in the FC this afternoon catching up with each other. Glad she is back because the new hunt has been a bit disappointing.

[QUOTE=BradAM;2543523]I recently had something similar happen to me. I was just at the point of scheduling the MnG when overnight she blocked me. Another pre-POT blocked me at the same time and then deleted her profile. I think they were sharing notes and discovered the similarities between the notes I was sending them. My steps are far enough away from HWG that I doubt she got a near note from another SD.

BAM.[/QUOTE]I'm pretty upset with myself for not taking the time to re-write the steps before messaging her, just the thought of screwing myself out of that nice looking pussy makes me a bit ill. Oh well, NEXT!

I'm talking about stinky pussy. I've posted on this before in the past. Nothing makes me lose my hard on faster then the scent of stinky pussy. I had it tonight. Did a M & G for lunch today, then decided to meet tonight for the FC. I had two women in the spring who had it. I didn't have to deal with this for the five years with my ex. She always took good care of herself. Have I become spoiled? WTH? Need a little feedback guys. Thanks in advance.

[QUOTE=PghGuy2005;2543521]Got in touch with her through other means not SB / SD sites.

Her phone # and pictures reveal nothing so she is not a pro maybe UTR though her name showed an arrest for DUI and possession of drug paraphernalia.

Why am I even thinking about taking the plunge? She is 22 and is quite pretty in the pics. She asked (all communication via text) if I had pain medication.

If I do end up going what should I watch out for. Lives with her parents and has no transportation may be due to the DUI.

What can I say bros this is the only pretty young thing I could get![/QUOTE]In my latest round of searching, I have definitely noticed an uptick in the number of girls who I either know or suspect to be drug addicted. One girl just seemed too eager to meet immediately and was telling me to come on over for a quick BJ. Another admitted to be hooked on Opana. Then another who seemed nice enough and sweet enough just seemed to look like she had taken a turn not for the better in her pics. With heroin making a big comeback these days and IV drug use, I would just stay clear. I drug addict is far more likely to steal from you, get violent with you, transmit a disease to you. I did a M and G with a very attractive young lady, but she seemed erratic and almost comically desperate that I was sure drugs had taken control of her.

That being said, I know a lot of these girls smoke weed, and as long as it seems to be under control and they know not to do it or even have it on them around me, I can live with that.

With all this being said, and I am going to be come across as a hypocrit, but I just saw the 20 year tonight that I saw on Sunday. She is so sweet and nice and into sex, the thought ocurred to me what is someone like when they are on ecstasy? I don't know if anyone is truly that bubbly, happy, and nice, and it seems like she is very sensitive to every aspect of touching.

[QUOTE=DandyDon;2544180]In my latest round of searching, I have definitely noticed an uptick in the number of girls who I either know or suspect to be drug addicted. One girl just seemed too eager to meet immediately and was telling me to come on over for a quick BJ. Another admitted to be hooked on Opana. Then another who seemed nice enough and sweet enough just seemed to look like she had taken a turn not for the better in her pics. With heroin making a big comeback these days and IV drug use, I would just stay clear. I drug addict is far more likely to steal from you, get violent with you, transmit a disease to you. I did a M and G with a very attractive young lady, but she seemed erratic and almost comically desperate that I was sure drugs had taken control of her.

That being said, I know a lot of these girls smoke weed, and as long as it seems to be under control and they know not to do it or even have it on them around me, I can live with that.

With all this being said, and I am going to be come across as a hypocrit, but I just saw the 20 year tonight that I saw on Sunday. She is so sweet and nice and into sex, the thought ocurred to me what is someone like when they are on ecstasy? I don't know if anyone is truly that bubbly, happy, and nice, and it seems like she is very sensitive to every aspect of touching.[/QUOTE]This is one of the problems I'd love to combat -- the blurring of the line between escorting and sugar babying. I understand lots of guys want pay-per-date fun. Meet, off to the FC, pay her the sugar and she's gone. But just because the transaction was initiated on an SD site or because the guy asked her to call him daddy doesn't mean it is anything remotely resembling a true SD / SB arrangement.

One of the defining features of an SD / SB arrangement is that there is some notion of allowance for companionship rather than a direct contract / agreement for sex / payment. The former is legal, the latter is not. The legal "safety" (perception of) is what makes the bowl attractive to both SDs (or guys who really just want the variety and discretion of hiring of escorts, but the legal safety --and perceived health safety-- advantages of the SD scene).

The problem is that everyone wants this perceived safety. This means the scene gets polluted both with johns looking for escorts they want to call SBs, and for escorts that want to call themselves SBs in order to reduce their likelihood of arrest. End result is lots of girls trolling SD sites that are really escorts in disguise, and unprotected dicks getting inserted unwittingly into drug infested pussies. Drug infestation doesn't necessarily translate directly to STDs in every case, but like you, I'd rather keep the drug scene and sugaring separate.

I actually see the blurry line between an escort transaction and a true SD / SB arrangement as being the future downfall of the hobby. My guess is that there will be a few more high-profile cases in the media (like the GoogleExec meets heroin-wench ordeal), then regulation will step in and find creative ways to start shutting down access to the websites as we know them. At that point there will still be underground activity just like exists today on BP / CL and such, but it will be way less upscale and mostly polluted by druggies. When that happens, it will no longer be an attractive pursuit to the category of women I would consider true SBs, and there will be little except druggy skanks and nandos left on whatever is left of the sites.

I have seen more potential SB's advertising in groups.

The little heads is thinking in doubling the pleasure, big heads wins and thinking double the trouble.

What you say?

I decided to take a break from the virgin and go out on a dinner date with a 30 year old 5'9" 119 lb x model. I guess she would be a 9 in most guys book. It was a no sex no sugar date that lasted for 5 hours. An hour of dinner and 4 more hours back at my place on the couch just talking and getting to know one another. This girl is looking for something serious and it was different being with an older girl. But she was still a very pretty girl.

I liked her and she liked me. I am sure I will be seeing her again. I made no attempt to fuck this new girl and she appreciated it. There was just enough touching to know that there was some chemistry, enough to have an FC date eventually. She really just wants to find the right guy to give it up to.

Why are SBs from China and Japan favoriting me? Also getting picture requests from SBs in California. Seems like a waste. Thanks.

I know, right! Had Sb last night and couldn't even eat the pussy, which is disappointing, cause I love to eat the pussy, she was Brazilian so maybe it's a culture thing there, but of the 4 SB I have been with, 3 have had stinky pussy and they knew beforehand they were going to fuck, so what is up. Same here too, hard to keep the enthusiasm.

[QUOTE=Mike7794;2544075]I'm talking about stinky pussy. I've posted on this before in the past. Nothing makes me lose my hard on faster then the scent of stinky pussy. I had it tonight. Did a M & G for lunch today, then decided to meet tonight for the FC. I had two women in the spring who had it. I didn't have to deal with this for the five years with my ex. She always took good care of herself. Have I become spoiled? WTH? Need a little feedback guys. Thanks in advance.[/QUOTE]

Greetings,

I fell into the SB hobby in January and have run about 18 girls so far. Typically 18-24 yr old only. I play in RVA and Cville.

I just discovered this forum last week! Imagine my surprise! So cool to read about all of us encountering a lot of the same situations!

What is interesting is that I guess I developed my own specific game plan that I roll on every girl, and it works very well for me. Just kinda "worked out that way".

Granted, I pay a little more in order to blind them. I also hit the FC on meet #1. I don't have time for M&G's.

All of that aside. I'm curious: There are the 'steps' that are put together on here. If all you guys are using the same approach on a finite number of girls in the SB at any given time aren; t the odds likely that a girl will get the same game layed on her by multiple guys? It just seems like this 'plan of attack' will fail with evryone using it.

Sure, new girls sign up all the time. But then wham! They get hit by roughly the same approach from 5 different guys on their first day?

Or am I missing something?

Anyway. Nice to meet you all!

Anyone seen her from SD4 ME? She emailed me she was an escort and I could schedule her through her service. But the email was just another woman's name. I didn 't bother. Too many spams and scammers on that site compared to SA.

[QUOTE=Mike7794;2544075]I'm talking about stinky pussy. I've posted on this before in the past. Nothing makes me lose my hard on faster then the scent of stinky pussy. I had it tonight. Did a M & G for lunch today, then decided to meet tonight for the FC. I had two women in the spring who had it. I didn't have to deal with this for the five years with my ex. She always took good care of herself. Have I become spoiled? WTH? Need a little feedback guys. Thanks in advance.[/QUOTE]I haven't run into a stinky pussy in the last few years, but I can tell you it's the same for me. Instant boner killer.

Stinky pussy: Has been addressed often here. It is usually a bacterial overgrowth called Bacterial vaginosis treatable with oral and vaginal therapies. Tell your SB to go see her Gyn. Of course the worst case is an unclean pussy filled with multiple SDs' cum.

SB vs Ho: JL is a young master doing more dating than sugaring. I would too if I could score a 20+ yr old for free. But all SBs are escorting with rare exceptions. What girl 20 to 45 yrs junior to the guy is going to truly want to hang out with a Daddy as a real relationship? Not many. And how many would do so without money involved? Not many. Soooo, the difference lies in the numbers. If an SB has one guy she is seeing and sleeping with for a little help, she can justify it as a "relationship" If she is seeing 2 or more guys for money and simultaneous sex then she is a practicing Ho. IMHO. Everybody protesteth too much I would say. Lets just enjoy it while it lasts. There is no other venue I can think of where a 60 yr old guy can have a 20 yr old "GF" Overt escorts who have a website and / or a service are at the other end of the spectrum where there is no doubt what she is doing.

Welcome Krill. Sounds like you can write the book on your own since you have scored 18 SBs in 6 mos. What is your price point if you will share with us? And what is your demographic of choice? I have always thought that money is king and every girl out there has a price. After all, they are on SA for a reason $. If you have the resources to pay more than the competition then you will have an endless stream of pussy.

Multiples: Are too confusing for me. And you end up paying more to just bang two girls.

[QUOTE=FredMoore;2544592]
SB vs Ho: JL is a young master doing more dating than sugaring. I would too if I could score a 20+ yr old for free. But all SBs are escorting with rare exceptions. What girl 20 to 45 yrs junior to the guy is going to truly want to hang out with a Daddy as a real relationship? Not many. And how many would do so without money involved? Not many. Soooo, the difference lies in the numbers. [/QUOTE]As I've mentioned a couple of dozen times here before (perhaps more), I'm not young. As far as I can tell I'm actually significantly older than the average poster here. Taking good care of one's self and staying well preserved definitely helps but is really not the end game.

While caught in the ad nauseam loop I should also probably repeat that what I've suggested here in this forum has never been about getting a 20-something for free -- my SD approach consists of something that in industrial pay terms could be thought of as more of an incentive plan than a pre-agreed upon salary. The girls still get paid the way I do it, it's just a twist on how and when to pay and how much to pay (then there's also the side benefit of my method being perfectly legal, whereas most of the alternatives can get your mug shot archived on the web in perpetuity for all to see when they Google your name).

Failure to understand the facts and the reasons behind the methodology is a certain recipe for failure though. This is why I'm trying to clear up the misconception about my age or modus operandi. Most of the suggestions I've made here are part of a bigger picture that must be embraced in its entirety in order to be effective. It requires a shift in philosophy, but that philosophy must be built on a foundation of facts and reasons, and if grasp of those is unattainable, then I'll just say my methods are not going to work if the focus just isn't there.

My suggestions are for those who want to get the most out of the bowl, and when I say most I mean QUALITY not quantity.

It is true that I have a lot more experience dating than I do paying for sex, and yes that experience pays huge dividends in cases of TRUE sugar arrangements -- you simply get much more for your money if you have actual game. Game can be developed, but its important to note the distinction between creating financial arrangements for sex and anything resembling dating. Someone who regularly visits escorts is probably better at handling the entire business transaction than I am, because that's not my thing. Having true requires staying about two steps ahead of the ladies on a cognitive level -- not every guy wants to invest that level of thought, would prefer to just charge forward with whatever their little head tells them to do, and take whatever is available to them on the easy-pay menu. I get that -- it's the convenience factor. It's like the difference between eating healthy versus going to the fast food drive thru every day and loading up on burgers and fries. The attraction of a short term convenience wins out over the long-term consequence of stroking out or dying of cancer, because so many people find it hard to shift their philosophy to a more long-term approach. Honestly there are times I want that level of convenience too -- real sugaring is hard work -- but taking the path of least resistance results in higher quantity lower quality. What I'm trying to convey is it has very little to do with youth, good looks, etc. Those things help of course (to some degree) but there are also a staggering number of young ladies who won't think twice about fucking someone 25-35 years older than them without a great deal of thought toward the amount of payment, as long as your able to get into that part of their psyche.

My previous point was really less than all this, though. It's just that probably nobody here wants to see the SD sites get increasingly polluted with junkies and escorts. I'm sure they will always be there to some extent, it's just that as long as people continue to use the SD sites as escort mechanisms, they are jeopardizing the entire SD scene. This is really more of a statement about the long term sustainability of this particular hobby, something I think is probably of interest to everyone reading.

[QUOTE=FredMoore;2544592]
Welcome Krill. Sounds like you can write the book on your own since you have scored 18 SBs in 6 mos. What is your price point if you will share with us? And what is your demographic of choice? I have always thought that money is king and every girl out there has a price. After all, they are on SA for a reason $. If you have the resources to pay more than the competition then you will have an endless stream of pussy.
[/QUOTE]Haha. I don't think so. My price point is anywhere from $250 (lowest ever, 1 girl) to $600, depending on the quality of the girl (my interpretation of quality). I only go for non pro's, typically college only, age 18-24. Played with a 27 yrold once I found really fun. I also give gifts! Spa gift certificates,. Hell,. I even gave 1 girl an Ipad. LOL.

I never, ever talk about sex or such before meeting. EVER. I do risk the chance of getting a girl that suddenly is like "WTF! I'm not here to screw around". But that hasnt happened yet.

I don't do M&G's. But I do play up the friendship angle, text a lot, and always make the first meet a hotel. A good hour of very genuine talk, fun, music. Etc. And then its off to the races.

I have closed every time on the first date, always at a hotel. I do have one 18 yr old, married girl who actually likes it and charges me nothing. Loves getting video'd too!

The only edge I have is that I do have a lot of experience dealing with the younger set and I am very familiar, and even into a lot of their culture. So I can genuinely share experiences and conversation with these girls that they can relate too. Or I'm just lucky.

One things for sure. I still have my share of flakes, girls who seem super promising and then they go silent. I also will often line up 2 dates if there is a high risk of a flake.

Meh. I'm rambling now.

Let me say again it is great to have discovered this forum,. I had no idea!

Only a few days on SA and messaging today I get this. "Lets meet soon! I'm overwhelmed with messages I would like to find someone and get off of this site ".

I hope her P don't S.

Was talking to a POT that is very cute but seemed a little skittish even after agreeing to the $. Finally I get her to admit she doesn't turn 18 for another 4 weeks. I think I can wait. Always, always, always ask for ID when in doubt.

SB wants to meet but when I asked for an email, it was hacked. When I asked for a phone number, it was disconnected.

Am I being setup? I'll be sure not to say p4 p on SA messaging with said SB.

[QUOTE=Telcova;2544935]Only a few days on SA and messaging today I get this. "Lets meet soon! I'm overwhelmed with messages I would like to find someone and get off of this site ".

I hope her P don't S.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=MulchMan;2544344]Why are SBs from China and Japan favoriting me? Also getting picture requests from SBs in California. Seems like a waste. Thanks.[/QUOTE]I was getting that for awhile, but they were all from China. I think they were hired from a Chinese website called "gagahi". The women that were reaching out to me were 10's in my book. She would talk to me for awhile, then she would want to take the conversation to that site, which you were required to sign up for. It was free to sign up. The catch is that once on there and if you wanted to message back and forth you had to buy credits. Kind of like the dating site called "ChinaLove". I had about three of them contact me. All 10's in their early twenties to late teens.

[QUOTE=JackCat58;2544358]I know, right! Had Sb last night and couldn't even eat the pussy, which is disappointing, cause I love to eat the pussy, she was Brazilian so maybe it's a culture thing there, but of the 4 SB I have been with, 3 have had stinky pussy and they knew beforehand they were going to fuck, so what is up. Same here too, hard to keep the enthusiasm.[/QUOTE]Yeah. Mine last night knew she was going to the FC with me. Now I make damn sure my twigs and berries are squeaky clean especially when meeting for the first time in the FC. It would be like me working out for a couple of hours with sweaty balls and meeting up with her and hoping in the sack. I've got to tell you. After this third one it kind of took the wind out of my sails a little bit. It's making me not want to eat any pussy. I didn't even try with her. I didn't have to. I thought I caught an odor when I climbed in bed after she climbed in, but I really caught the smell when we went from missionary to doggy style (is that term still used? LOL). In any event I'm taking a short break from the site. I have to regroup. The thing is is that when I caught the odor I was fighting my own psyche telling myself while I'm pumping her from behind "forget about the smell and enjoy it". It worked for awhile until I changed positions again and it was all over. The smell overwhelmed me. Disappointing too as I didn't get off. She tried to get me aroused again by going down on me, but I'm laying there in disbelief she could do that while her foul juice was on my cock. Instead of arousing me it had the opposite effect LOL thinking "how is this young woman (29) able to overcome her own stinking pussy?

[QUOTE=Krill;2544409]Greetings,

I fell into the SB hobby in January and have run about 18 girls so far. Typically 18-24 yr old only. I play in RVA and Cville.

I just discovered this forum last week! Imagine my surprise! So cool to read about all of us encountering a lot of the same situations!

What is interesting is that I guess I developed my own specific game plan that I roll on every girl, and it works very well for me. Just kinda "worked out that way".

Granted, I pay a little more in order to blind them. I also hit the FC on meet #1. I don't have time for M&G's.

All of that aside. I'm curious: There are the 'steps' that are put together on here. If all you guys are using the same approach on a finite number of girls in the SB at any given time aren; t the odds likely that a girl will get the same game layed on her by multiple guys? It just seems like this 'plan of attack' will fail with evryone using it.

Sure, new girls sign up all the time. But then wham! They get hit by roughly the same approach from 5 different guys on their first day?

Or am I missing something?

Anyway. Nice to meet you all![/QUOTE]It's funny you brought this up. Just a couple of days ago I got a reply from one of my letters. She had a long introduction about herself, but in one of her paragraphs she wrote this:

"I believe a man should be a provider and take care of his companion EMOTIONALLY, PHYSICALLY AND FINANCIALLY! The person who will support me in all my endeavors. The man that will make me laugh, is caring and considerate but plays hard ball in the business world".

Sound familiar guys? It was an eye opener for me. I live in the Midwest and so does she.

Is her fist name initial M? If so, PM me.

[QUOTE=Telcova;2544935]Only a few days on SA and messaging today I get this. "Lets meet soon! I'm overwhelmed with messages I would like to find someone and get off of this site ".

I hope her P don't S.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Mike7794;2545534]Yeah. Mine last night knew she was going to the FC with me. Now I make damn sure my twigs and berries are squeaky clean especially when meeting for the first time in the FC. It would be like me working out for a couple of hours with sweaty balls and meeting up with her and hoping in the sack. I've got to tell you. After this third one it kind of took the wind out of my sails a little bit. It's making me not want to eat any pussy. I didn't even try with her. I didn't have to. I thought I caught an odor when I climbed in bed after she climbed in, but I really caught the smell when we went from missionary to doggy style (is that term still used? LOL). In any event I'm taking a short break from the site. I have to regroup. The thing is is that when I caught the odor I was fighting my own psyche telling myself while I'm pumping her from behind "forget about the smell and enjoy it". It worked for awhile until I changed positions again and it was all over. The smell overwhelmed me. Disappointing too as I didn't get off. She tried to get me aroused again by going down on me, but I'm laying there in disbelief she could do that while her foul juice was on my cock. Instead of arousing me it had the opposite effect LOL thinking "how is this young woman (29) able to overcome her own stinking pussy?[/QUOTE]Sorry about your experience. I have only had that experience once years ago with a car date. Sounds like you need to bring some Massengill with your covers.

Due to a first time mis communication, my ATF and I both thought the other one had flaked. It's all good, no drama, just a misunderstanding. But here it was now 8.30 and no plans for the evening so I went and picked up the virgin -1 and we hung out at my place for 4 hours. So this was now date three. We spent about an hour and a half of that in the FC. This 18 year old really does have a perfect body from a lifetime of athletic pursuits and is an 8 for sure in the pretty dept. I call her my Hawaiian Princess.

And she is so sweet and and just wants a nice guy to treat her right and be able to reciprocate like she knows an experienced guy would expect. But she is literally a virgin to everything. We have already done a lot, but its not like being with these girls that would be insulted if you didn't have something between their legs within a few minutes after walking through the front door. I am a pro at that game. But this is all pretty new to me.

I don't have a girlfriend or my roommate to hang out with anymore. So I appreciate the company and the just chillin out part as well. I knew we weren't going to fuck tonite and she said she was still sore from date number one. But she is so funny. I don't really shave at all and no girl has ever demanded that I do. But of course I demand same day shaves and always have venus razors and skintimates in my home and travel bag so as to avoid any possible excuses.

So she says to me "you have too much hair and have to trim it a bit". So when she is ready to fuck again we are going to have a shaving party in the bathroom first to make sure that everyone is happy. TMI, I know. But I think its so cute. With no shortage of porn star pussy in between thanks to my ATF or any other girl I want to fuck, I told her to just relax and we will make it all happen when it happens. So really no pressure on her worrying about my expectations. Which she said she really appreciated as well.

It's kind of fascinating to see a girl that's managed to keep her little girl status for so long. And now, not even really knowing what to expect, but making the most of it with just the natural skills she has. And to see the looks on her face when she is turned on or flattered and shy about it. I told her not to worry about anything. That all I want to do is make her happy and feel secure and give her what she wants. And we talked again about why the $ is really a fair amount in this type of relationship. Because of all the emotional support she gets, which she now totally understands and agrees with.

So I am going to keep going with the experience for now. She really doesn't have much of a clue about anything in her life except that she doesn't want to be alone. And she really wants to learn what this sex thing is all about. And to have what she knows she has been missing in that area so far. So we will see if I have the patience, and dont meet someone else in the meantime that would make me have to end it. But there are certain qualities she possesses that are hard for me to to find.

Another week, another M&G turned into a trip to the FC with no sugar other than a cup of coffee and, this time, the hotel room. Older Brazilian woman. Thought she was going to be a little on the "few extra pounds side" but turns out she just had an amazing set of curves. Huge rack, amazing ass, but tight waist. Very hot in bed. Sensual, erotic, thorough. All landing points open for business and she practically drew a giant landing sign on her ass. Older. Says she is in her 40's and I would guess mid 40's from our conversation. Somewhat similar to my experience a couple of weeks ago (again with another older woman). Good meet and greet, great conversation, and some nice moments apparently got her all worked up so we went off to the races. And to think I was thinking of quitting the game.

For those counting at home, this makes five babies. Now, do some / all of them expect some sugar if we get into an arrangement? Of course. But these ladies clearly also love the sex part and what a great way to confirm they are not just in it for the money. (Quite a breath of fresh air given the women in the DMV that go right to the money first. Chemistry is very important to me and it is great to confirm that compatibility first.

SB's do homework too.

[QUOTE=Mike7794;2545549]"I believe a man should be a provider and take care of his companion EMOTIONALLY, PHYSICALLY AND FINANCIALLY! The person who will support me in all my endeavors. [/QUOTE]

I am definitely more excited if the lady is interested without the money in the equation, at least initially.

[QUOTE=GuyInTheCorner;2545786]Another week, another M&G turned into a trip to the FC with no sugar other than a cup of coffee and, this time, the hotel room. Older Brazilian woman. Thought she was going to be a little on the "few extra pounds side" but turns out she just had an amazing set of curves. Huge rack, amazing ass, but tight waist. Very hot in bed. Sensual, erotic, thorough. All landing points open for business and she practically drew a giant landing sign on her ass. Older. Says she is in her 40's and I would guess mid 40's from our conversation. Somewhat similar to my experience a couple of weeks ago (again with another older woman). Good meet and greet, great conversation, and some nice moments apparently got her all worked up so we went off to the races. And to think I was thinking of quitting the game.

For those counting at home, this makes five babies. Now, do some / all of them expect some sugar if we get into an arrangement? Of course. But these ladies clearly also love the sex part and what a great way to confirm they are not just in it for the money. (Quite a breath of fresh air given the women in the DMV that go right to the money first. Chemistry is very important to me and it is great to confirm that compatibility first.[/QUOTE]

About 8 pm I went on a meet to see a tiny shop girl just as she was getting off work at the mall. She was AA, 23, 5'3" about 95 lbs and we only had 10 minutes to talk. She gave me the kind of hug and follow up txt that assures me she is a straight to the FC date.

Then I went and picked up my Hawaiian Princess just to hang out. Tonite I just wanted to show her I am serious about her and didn't really care what we did as long as we were together. So first we went to the Whole Foods and she spent about twenty on some groceries for later. Then we went to my place and ate a little dinner and then went into the FC to just cuddle, talk and watch TV for the next couple of hours. Finally she says will I give her a back massage and she takes off her top and I begin. After a few, I pulled her shorts down just enough so I could see her perfect ass while I was massaging her back.

Eventually I told her I was tired and just pulled her shorts off, had her get on her knees with her ass up and face down buried in the pillow and went straight to DATO. Then I went from hole to hole for about twenty minutes on her amazing virgin -1 ass before she took over for some face sitting. She lightly came maybe twice and she was sorta happy. I kept telling her it will get better and she will learn to cum and have great sex just like her girlfriends but its gonna take time. How much time no one knows and I am not going to wait forever to find out. But for now we are cool, I like her and no worries.

On the drive home we stopped at CVS for something she needed and I spent another twenty. As we kept driving she said "oh shit, you're not paying me tonite are you? So I told her "well I did spend the forty and we only did what you wanted to do all night". Then I reminded her "you said you didn't wanted to be treated like a wh*re and so that means you have to treat me like a BF". She agreed.

I didn't see anything about this in my search here so I guess it hasn't come up. I like this phone app as an alternative to a burner phone that I would have to hide from the wife. So far three of my SB contacts ranging in age from 18 to 41 have it. No exchange of phone numbers needed and it shows when the message is read. Basically just an instant messenger that is the most popular one right now. In fact was on national news this week as a bad thing as pedophiles could use it to chat with underage girls. You can send pics with it as well.

Does anyone have a way to disable Gmail's service to auto fill your gmail account address? I have multiple addresses and if the SO clicks on my computer the alternate addy comes up-obviously raising serious questions.

Use the private (explorer) or incognito (chrome) function with your browser. That should automatically disable the types of things you don't want tracked on your brower to remain there.

Otherwise disabling features on the browser of your choice could lead your so to question things like, why do you keep deleting the history, or why do you keep disabling cookies, or why do you keep disabling autofill.

Also be sure to regularly delete your fb search history. Failing to do so will lead your SO to ask why you are stalking 19 year old on fb. Unless your a college professor or mentor, you may find it hard to explain your fb search history.

Lastly, do not tie your hotel room purchases to your gmail account. Some hotel reservation sites. E. g. [URL]hotels.com[/URL], will auto update your gmail calendar with the dates of your stay. If your SO has access to your private calendar, it may be difficult to explain why you're staying at a Hotel in the city you live, during the weekend you're out of town.

Just my two cents.

[QUOTE=FredMoore;2547236]Does anyone have a way to disable Gmail's service to auto fill your gmail account address? I have multiple addresses and if the SO clicks on my computer the alternate addy comes up-obviously raising serious questions.[/QUOTE]

You should never search for SB's with your real FB account. Any search you do, will show up on the person you are searching for "friends you might know". If the SB scrolls through that. They just found your real info. Create a fake FB account before looking for anyone you don't want knowing you were looking for them.

A couple pre-pre-pots want to only converse via text. Are they going to chew through my burner minutes?

Hope to contribute meaningfully soon here

[QUOTE=IluvSmellyFish;2547319]Use the private (explorer) or incognito (chrome) function with your browser. That should automatically disable the types of things you don't want tracked on your brower to remain there.

Otherwise disabling features on the browser of your choice could lead your so to question things like, why do you keep deleting the history, or why do you keep disabling cookies, or why do you keep disabling autofill.

Also be sure to regularly delete your fb search history. Failing to do so will lead your SO to ask why you are stalking 19 year old on fb. Unless your a college professor or mentor, you may find it hard to explain your fb search history.

Lastly, do not tie your hotel room purchases to your gmail account. Some hotel reservation sites. E. g. [URL]hotels.com[/URL], will auto update your gmail calendar with the dates of your stay. If your SO has access to your private calendar, it may be difficult to explain why you're staying at a Hotel in the city you live, during the weekend you're out of town.

Just my two cents.[/QUOTE]I think the best browser to use for privacy is Firefox. I use it for my extracurricular activities. Its privacy settings are the best, and you can ask it to forget any website. Once it forgets, it forgets. It won't autofill in the name of any naughty website for you.

With the other browsers, you WILL forget to go private or incognito, and type in a naughty website in the browser bar. When you do that, you will have no other choice but to delete the browser from your hard drivev and reinstall it.

Not so with Firefox.

[QUOTE=CaneBay;2547341]You should never search for SB's with your real FB account. Any search you do, will show up on the person you are searching for "friends you might know". If the SB scrolls through that. They just found your real info. Create a fake FB account before looking for anyone you don't want knowing you were looking for them.[/QUOTE]It's possible I'm wrong, but if you search for someone on facebook and then don't friend request them, then facebook will show this person to you under suggested friends. I don't believe it will show them your profile.

[QUOTE=Telcova;2547568]A couple pre-pre-pots want to only converse via text. Are they going to chew through my burner minutes?

Hope to contribute meaningfully soon here[/QUOTE]Get the Google Voice app. I'be been using it for years, and love it. No need for a burner phone.