[QUOTE=Smokarz_XO;2533684] A girl shows up at the FC in a dress with no bras and panties is definitely begging to be fuck right?.[/QUOTE]Never assume, because we all know what that pseudo acronym means.
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[QUOTE=Smokarz_XO;2533684] A girl shows up at the FC in a dress with no bras and panties is definitely begging to be fuck right?.[/QUOTE]Never assume, because we all know what that pseudo acronym means.
[QUOTE=DandyDon;2534047]Really been sidelined the last couple of months because of no alone time. What's been bad is there were some very good POTs in my area that I couldn't seal the deal with do to time constraints. So I whiffed on some seemingly quality ones. I was also a little bummed that my 19 year old UTR girl had gone off the grid. I have a week or so of freedom, I wanted to experience quite a bit, but it was looking grim.
So what to do, fresh prospects bailing because they don't think I am serious, so I mined the old field. Been in contact with a 19 year old who I met let summer for a one and done and we tentatively have plans for a day. Rekindled talks with 31 year old MILF, also set up tentative meeting. Been talking to an 18 with some extra weight, but I have a hard time turning down any 18 year old and she is on board. And lo and behold, my 19 year old utr resurfaces and will be here in about 30 minutes.
Now, something interesting about the 19 year old utr. She is not on OCs. So I wrap it up every time. This will be the 8th time I have been with her, and she is requesting that I go hatless, insisting it will be ok, that she has timed it right. I don't trust this at all and wonder if she wants to get pregnant. Anybody else experience such a request?[/QUOTE]Yes I have experienced that, but in my case having a Vsec takes all the worries away. I would be careful if I were you. A baby's perception of having a rich guy pay her child support for 18 years is an enticing thought.
[QUOTE=DandyDon;2534047]Really been sidelined the last couple of months because of no alone time. What's been bad is there were some very good POTs in my area that I couldn't seal the deal with do to time constraints. So I whiffed on some seemingly quality ones. I was also a little bummed that my 19 year old UTR girl had gone off the grid. I have a week or so of freedom, I wanted to experience quite a bit, but it was looking grim.
So what to do, fresh prospects bailing because they don't think I am serious, so I mined the old field. Been in contact with a 19 year old who I met let summer for a one and done and we tentatively have plans for a day. Rekindled talks with 31 year old MILF, also set up tentative meeting. Been talking to an 18 with some extra weight, but I have a hard time turning down any 18 year old and she is on board. And lo and behold, my 19 year old utr resurfaces and will be here in about 30 minutes.
Now, something interesting about the 19 year old utr. She is not on OCs. So I wrap it up every time. This will be the 8th time I have been with her, and she is requesting that I go hatless, insisting it will be ok, that she has timed it right. I don't trust this at all and wonder if she wants to get pregnant. Anybody else experience such a request?[/QUOTE]DANGER WILL RODGERS!
All kidding aside, that can ruin your life for a very, very long time. It may be tempting, but unless you have been clipped it's risky. Think with the big head my friend. Remember, these girls have no problem lying about such things.
[QUOTE=FyrGuy33;2534430]DANGER WILL RODGERS!
All kidding aside, that can ruin your life for a very, very long time. It may be tempting, but unless you have been clipped it's risky. Think with the big head my friend. Remember, these girls have no problem lying about such things.[/QUOTE]It may well be she is telling the truth. That she IS timing it right. To get pregnant.
Given that the pregnancy rate for people using condoms as their sole method of contraception is about 15% per year for a couple (compared to 85% for no contraception), even using a hat is risky IMHO.
It's one of the reasons I prefer married SBs. Someone who has a partner has someone who will double check that their wife has taken the pill. And if there is a mistake, much less likely to be my problem.
[QUOTE=Smokarz_XO;2533684]I've been texting this 21 yr AA coed spinner for the past week, that had agree to 600-800 per month allowance, and finally set up a MG at the FC today. Usually, these meetings end up with plenty of action. She's 5'5 slim, with a nice booty.
So, did I have a brain fart moment? A girl shows up at the FC in a dress with no bras and panties is definitely begging to be fuck right?
.[/QUOTE]You are just doing what we do. I think we get action so often that we ass-ume that every chick who shows up at the FC is down with the one eyed snake trick. It never hurts to be specific in the prelim discussions. Hope you found a backup to cover the FC.
@DandyDon
she is requesting that I go hatless, insisting it will be ok, that she has timed it right.
Go for it if you are incognito. If she is coming to your home and knows where to find you then be careful.
[QUOTE=Smokarz_XO;2533684]I've been texting this 21 yr AA coed spinner[/QUOTE]Thanks for the responses fellow. I guess not all is lost, we have exchanged a few texts since yesterday and I have decided to up the offer to 150 per date and she happily accepted. Now, some of you guys may scream, but I think this baby is worth it. She really does have a banging petite body and a cute face to go with it. And also, 100 per date is really tough to sell in my market.
I am trying to set up the second date in the FC again, with clear expect that panties will hit the floor this time. But with her working two summer part time jobs, getting our schedules align is a bit tough. More to come on this.
Anyway, I am meeting my MILF SB again this Friday and I will be going in the back door. First time for me, LOL. I will create a new post to ask for tips on this.
So, my MILF SB allow me entry in the back door on our next meeting. I hate to admit it, but I'be never done back door. But hey, I got to try it at least once.
I will be diving in raw, no cover.
So, what tips can you fine gents offer? I see we do have some very experienced back door'ers in here.
- How you you prepare for this?
- How do you properly clean up after?
- Which lube to use? Water based or silicone based? How to apply it? What's the best brand to buy?
Anything else you can throw at me to help guide a newbie to that back door, please do. Thanks.
[QUOTE=Smokarz_XO;2534520]Thanks for the responses fellow. I guess not all is lost, we have exchanged a few texts since yesterday and I have decided to up the offer to 150 per date and she happily accepted. Now, some of you guys may scream, but I think this baby is worth it. She really does have a banging petite body and a cute face to go with it. And also, 100 per date is really tough to sell in my market.
I am trying to set up the second date in the FC again, with clear expect that panties will hit the floor this time. But with her working two summer part time jobs, getting our schedules align is a bit tough. More to come on this.
Anyway, I am meeting my MILF SB again this Friday and I will be going in the back door. First time for me, LOL. I will create a new post to ask for tips on this.[/QUOTE]I'm in the same market and $100 is a tough sell but doable. I'm pretty much refusing to go over $150 these days.
[QUOTE=FyrGuy33;2534430]DANGER WILL RODGERS!
All kidding aside, that can ruin your life for a very, very long time. It may be tempting, but unless you have been clipped it's risky. Think with the big head my friend. Remember, these girls have no problem lying about such things.[/QUOTE]I completely agree with this. There has been an emerging trend over the last decade or so of "sperm seekers" whose single focus and goal in the game is to have a child. I learned more about this in civy dating than the bowl could ever teach me.
Their motives vary, some are young and just have a strong maternal urge and they see "having a baby" as the best way to deal with lack of career options or whatever. Sometimes, they hit their late 20's-early 30's and feel the clock ticking and decide that having a kid is the thing that matters most to them. Some of them are lesbians that just aren't going to get the seed from their actual partner.
They then start coming up with a plan to have a kid using whatever methods are available to them. Because the days of the old "Leave it to Beaver" type family are gone, there are MANY methods available to them, and one of the more attractive options is to simply find a man who has the means to support the kid and take some of the career stress for the mom off for the next 18 years or so, who is also willing to be a donor of free sperm.
18 years of financial support just for spreading your legs for a few minutes is a really good deal for anyone, even if you're a lesbian that doesn't particularly care for cock, it's well worth it to them.
I once had a fuck buddy friend -- a real stunner actually, who said she was thinking about just being a single mom and raising a kid on her own (she actually had a good job and the means to do it). She said she wasn't sure if she wanted a man in her life permanently, just the kid and the career. She then started discussing the possibility of paying me to get her pregnant (no, I'm not kidding -- legal paperwork and all). And no, I did not take her up on it.
Just be careful. How careful you need to be depends on your own situation. To one of these sperm-seekers, a sugar daddy is a prime target to achieve what they want, not only having to pay the donor but turning the tables so that the income is pointed the other way.
Just my two cents here. I am sure others have their tips and preferences for backdoor play.
If this isn't her firstime you should be fine. She will know to make sure her bowels are empty. If not, make sure they are by either an enema (cold coffee since the caffine will be a diaruetic). That is on the extreme end of course, so long as she has relieved herself you should be fine. Mainly you want to avoid her losing control of her bowels while you are inside if her. Depending of your size, some girls lose control because the pain and the fact that there is a hard penis spreading their starfish. If a lot of lube is used, that doesn't help with bowel control either. Basically, unless you don't mind poop on the bed and on your Johnson, make sure her bowels are empty. Of course some guys get off on that kind of stuff. I'm not one to judge.
Lube is whatever your preference is, since you've indicated you're going in uncovered. I personally don't have a prefernce one way or the other and have used spit and a girls juices as lube. Avoid at all costs those lubes that give extra sensation. If this is her first time, handling you inside of her might be hard enough. Apply the lube liberally to her starfish and use your fingers to work the lube inside her. Apply it liberally on your little head before entry.
I like to work slow and get the starfish ready. Starting out with the shocker is a nice way to begin to work her way up to handling something bigger. Then increase the fingers and finger sizes until the are the size of the girth of your little head.
I like to go slowly at first. Some girls I've met like to be on top so they can control the speed. Some girls prefer anal mish (put a few pillows under her to provide easier access), or the other alternative is to go with the porn scene, from behind action. I've found that to be my favorite.
I normally go in backdoor covered to avoid getting a uti (yes, men can get them) until she becomes used to the routine and makes sure she's empty back there. (once she gets used to it though its great since you can unload without any fear of pregnancy) . It also makes cleanup much easier. Put a few towels down on the bed beforehand to avoid having to wash your sheets. If she does have an accident you will want to save your mattress.
[QUOTE=Smokarz_XO;2534528]So, my MILF SB allow me entry in the back door on our next meeting. I hate to admit it, but I'be never done back door. But hey, I got to try it at least once.
I will be diving in raw, no cover.
So, what tips can you fine gents offer? I see we do have some very experienced back door'ers in here.
- How you you prepare for this?
- How do you properly clean up after?
- Which lube to use? Water based or silicone based? How to apply it? What's the best brand to buy?
Anything else you can throw at me to help guide a newbie to that back door, please do. Thanks.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=IluvSmellyFish;2534871]If this isn't her firstime you should be fine. She will know to make sure her bowels are empty.[/QUOTE]Thanks SmellyFish.
Danny this sounds complicated, and lots of work. She said she had done it only twice with her ex hubby. But they did not use lubes and it hurts her.
Yeah, I had UTI once and I k ow exactly how that feel. I was in the hospital a few days taking antibiotics while having mini-me being poked at and examined. I will put on a cover just to stay safe, and make clean up easier. Also, we'll be at the hotel so no need to worry about the sheets or mattress.
The SB I had seen a couple of times was cut from my line-up. She was terrible at keeping her dates with me and I got sick of it. If a girl cancels or misses a date with me because she fell asleep, forgot, is tired from work, etc. , there's only so many times I can hear excuse after excuse before I tell her to hit the road.
A POT I met a week ago finally has an opening in her schedule and we'll be spending an overnight in the FC.
I met a POT recently who was very nice, very cute. M&G went very well. We made plans to go to FC for an overnight soon. But then she went completely dark. I found her FB page and it seems like she has a boyfriend she lives with. I don't know the exact reasons she stopped responding to texts, but I would bet he plays a big part in it.
I hate these girls that just leave us hanging. Give us the appearance that they liked us at the M&G and are all set to go to the next step, and then they just disappear with no explanation or apology. It's one of the most irritating parts of the chase for sugar.
Smokarz sorry for the overly complicated tips. I tend to be overly descriptive sometimes. Abbreviated version is below.
Tell her to make sure she's empty before you go anal on her. If she's not clean or you don't know, jimmy up. If she's clean and you're not worried about stds go raw. Use plenty of lube and go slow if she doesn't like pain and that's your style. If she enjoys pain or you like it fast, hit it hard and fast.
Just my two cents.
[QUOTE=Smokarz_XO;2534896]Thanks SmellyFish.
Danny this sounds complicated, and lots of work. She said she had done it only twice with her ex hubby. But they did not use lubes and it hurts her.
Yeah, I had UTI once and I k ow exactly how that feel. I was in the hospital a few days taking antibiotics while having mini-me being poked at and examined. I will put on a cover just to stay safe, and make clean up easier. Also, we'll be at the hotel so no need to worry about the sheets or mattress.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=FyrGuy33;2534430]DANGER WILL RODGERS!
All kidding aside, that can ruin your life for a very, very long time. It may be tempting, but unless you have been clipped it's risky. Think with the big head my friend. Remember, these girls have no problem lying about such things.[/QUOTE]A couple months ago one of my 2-4 times a month SBs informed me that she was with child and that I was the Father. We often times would purposely rendezvous while she was ovulating as she claimed she was extra horny and I enjoyed the extra moist and warm taste of her flower. Two factors seemed to negate the probability of my being responsible. First, most of our fun usually ends with me coming in her ass rather than puss and second, I had a vasectomy over 3 years ago. I'm sure my procedure was discussed early on as I don't wear a cover, ever. When I reminded her about my altered plumbing the SB didn't miss a beat and said I still must be the Father as she had been "faithful" to me since we started our arrangement. I guess crazier things have happened but the blood work a couple weeks later proved that I was not the Paternal side of the equation. I can only speculate that the SB now carries the second coming of Christ as, apparently, she has had a immaculate conception.
Wow. What a find. This thread is a life saver. I started dipping into the bowl about a month ago with some mixed results, mainly due to being an idiot. The first few weeks was all GPS girls asking for $2 k a month. Finally got a few better leads.
SB#1 - 23. Typically white single mom with crap job. I stupidly agreed to a price for a dinner date off the bat and then she conned me into sending her babysitter money. So basically it cost me $125 for the privledge of buying her dinner. Strike 1.
SB#2 - 25. White, seemed shy and naïve, but cute. Thought I was much clearer about what was going to happen. Went for drinks. Things went well, she said she liked me. So, I said time for the FC and all the color drained from her face. She totally thought I was just paying her to have drinks. She said this was her first time trying this and I actually believed her as her reaction was so genuine. She said she felt bad but wasn't quite ready for that. I decided to give her a little money and said it was ok and left. Strike 2? Fast forward three days later and I get a text saying that she could really use some spending money for the weekend and if I wanted to come over. She added that there would be no miscommunication this time. 30 minutes later and I'm balls deep. So I'm keeping her around. She's a sweet girl and she now knows what's expected.
Since SB#2, I found this thread and I'm finally handling things the right away. Have 3 M&G's for next week with no assumption of sugar until we agree on something. And these are higher end girls than #1 and #2.
I'm digging this SD thing. Its work but it's fun and now I'm not an idiot. Thanks fellas!
After an extensive discussion tonight, POT#1, the 22 y / o AA co-ed, and I have parted ways. We had discussed sugar early on and I thought we were in agreement. Well, apparently when I was talking in terms of see notes, she was talking in terms of K notes. 2 K per month, not the 150 per date, is what she ultimately wants. Too bad because she was pretty hot and we got along really well. NEXT!
POT#2 is having breakfast with me tomorrow. 46 y / o MILF. If she feels comfortable, she has confirmed a trip to the FC from the diner. This one is very happy with 150.
Now, as luck would have it, I now have POT#4 in the rotation. This is a 39 y / o MILF I had a FC trip with last summer. Extremely good head game, maybe the best I ever had. Unfortunately, she Aunt Flo was visiting that day and she did not advise me and reschedule. I was pissed enough at that that I never contacted her again. Lo and behold, yesterday she sends me a message on SA. Her hair is different now and she made a new profile so it took me a while to put it all together. I figure that since I'm dumped my rotation and I'm starting over, I should give Princess a chance to make it up to me. She is a very submissive woman so I'm thinking this could be really, really good. We are getting together again on Thursday for "lunch" at her condo. Did I mention this is another 150 gem?
To the new guys here, I can't stress enough that you need to adhere to no more than 150 per meet as much as you can. Before I found this forum, I was typically offering 200. I learned quickly that there is plenty of quality pussy to be had at the 150 price point. Oh, you will have some walk away if you don't go to 200 or more. But, always remember, there are more girls out there looking for us than there are guys looking for them. And, most of the guys looking for them are really creepy and rude, so we have the advantage.
Thanks for the great post. Educational for newbies, a reminder for those of us who are not snipped, while providing a good laugh.
[QUOTE=Rouleur;2535212]A couple months ago one of my 2-4 times a month SBs informed me that she was with child and that I was the Father. We often times would purposely rendezvous while she was ovulating as she claimed she was extra horny and I enjoyed the extra moist and warm taste of her flower. Two factors seemed to negate the probability of my being responsible. First, most of our fun usually ends with me coming in her ass rather than puss and second, I had a vasectomy over 3 years ago. I'm sure my procedure was discussed early on as I don't wear a cover, ever. When I reminded her about my altered plumbing the SB didn't miss a beat and said I still must be the Father as she had been "faithful" to me since we started our arrangement. I guess crazier things have happened but the blood work a couple weeks later proved that I was not the Paternal side of the equation. I can only speculate that the SB now carries the second coming of Christ as, apparently, she has had a immaculate conception.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=IluvSmellyFish;2535076]Smokarz sorry for the overly complicated tips. I tend to be overly descriptive sometimes. Abbreviated version is below.
Tell her to make sure she's empty before you go anal on her. If she's not clean or you don't know, jimmy up. If she's clean and you're not worried about stds go raw. Use plenty of lube and go slow if she doesn't like pain and that's your style. If she enjoys pain or you like it fast, hit it hard and fast.
Just my two cents.[/QUOTE]Details are great. I appreciate it.
Just a lot more prep work then insert and pump.
[QUOTE=IluvSmellyFish;2535597]Thanks for the great post. Educational for newbies, a reminder for those of us who are not snipped, while providing a good laugh.[/QUOTE]When I had mine I asked my Dr if he ever had a failure. Out of 1700+ procedures he said that one actually failed (they caught it and redid it). Those are pretty good odds.
[QUOTE=FyrGuy33;2535327]To the new guys here, I can't stress enough that you need to adhere to no more than 150 per meet as much as you can. Before I found this forum, I was typically offering 200. I learned quickly that there is plenty of quality pussy to be had at the 150 price point. Oh, you will have some walk away if you don't go to 200 or more. But, always remember, there are more girls out there looking for us than there are guys looking for them. And, most of the guys looking for them are really creepy and rude, so we have the advantage.[/QUOTE]This. Truer words have rarely been uttered.
Good reminder.
Oh Lord, I wish I were clipped.
I will get so much raw pussy. I have a 19-year old now that I know would give it to me.
Getting clipped without insurance is not cheap, as far as I know. Is it?
[QUOTE=Rouleur;2535212]A couple months ago one of my 2-4 times a month SBs informed me that she was with child and that I was the Father. We often times would purposely rendezvous while she was ovulating as she claimed she was extra horny and I enjoyed the extra moist and warm taste of her flower. Two factors seemed to negate the probability of my being responsible. First, most of our fun usually ends with me coming in her ass rather than puss and second, I had a vasectomy over 3 years ago. I'm sure my procedure was discussed early on as I don't wear a cover, ever. When I reminded her about my altered plumbing the SB didn't miss a beat and said I still must be the Father as she had been "faithful" to me since we started our arrangement. I guess crazier things have happened but the blood work a couple weeks later proved that I was not the Paternal side of the equation. I can only speculate that the SB now carries the second coming of Christ as, apparently, she has had a immaculate conception.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=FTP1999;2536361]Good reminder.
Oh Lord, I wish I were clipped.
I will get so much raw pussy. I have a 19-year old now that I know would give it to me.
Getting clipped without insurance is not cheap, as far as I know. Is it?[/QUOTE]I'm not sure what the cost is today. I got clipped 25 years ago, and I had insurance. For you guys who are married, if you really want to get it done, just tell the wife you don't want to have any more kids and that you are both too old to go thru the diapers again. Of course, if you are older then that approach doesn't work. I was 35 at the time and my SO was the one that actually suggested it. The first 2 days were a bit uncomfortable, but after that it was ok.
Had a breakfast m&g with the 46 why / o MILF, then a trip to the FC. Her performance was lackluster at best. Not from a lack of enthusiasm, rather from a lack of skill. I'm not of the mindset to teach a 46 why / o how to fuck and suck. It would be different if she was an 18 why / o co-ed, but she's not. So, after a bit of thought on the way home, I've decided NEXT! I'll tell her the Warden found our texts on my phone and I have to end it, then I will go silent.
I am working on an update to our list for NorthVA, DC, MD.
If you bowl in this area and want to join, please PM me. No free lunch. You have to contribute.
[QUOTE=FTP1999;2536361]Good reminder.
Oh Lord, I wish I were clipped.
I will get so much raw pussy. I have a 19-year old now that I know would give it to me.
Getting clipped without insurance is not cheap, as far as I know. Is it?[/QUOTE]I think I paid 2 k. Well worth it. It's a life changer.
So from the 5 POTS I put together last week, I met one so far and that was a no go.
Two went MIA. One is a definite date for Sunday. And the hottest one says she wants to meet this weekend. I have to squeeze in two dates with my regulars. And I have a date Friday night from a new pot from this week.
Thats five girls in 3 days. It may or may not be doable.
Thanks for the reports Craig's is a bust, which site is more productive?
Also can one get clipped in secret. Thanks for your time.
[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;2362302]MESSAGE 1.
Hello. I just read your profile.
So after reading my profile if you want to know more, then email me at [EMAIL]xxx@xxx.com[/EMAIL].
Just lmk its you by your profile name.
I do prefer a per meeting type of arrangement to start.
So if you could let me know what your expectation$ are that would be great.
MESSAGE 2 - 123 message.
MESSAGE 3.
Well every girl is on here for a reason. So let me ask you. Are you looking for the highest bidder? Because If you're going for top dollar. That won't be me.
I'm sure you will get offers of $200 to $300 a date (lots of them). And you may need at least that much just to tolerate the guys offering it.
But if you're willing to take less to be with a more chill, good looking guy (for my age that is) then we might be able to make it work. What do you think?
MESSAGE 4.
Well that's good because that's normally the type of girl I date. I pay $100 a date. Which won't cover any ones lifestyle. But it does add up. I need to have a real connection with the person I am with. Like real chemistry. Otherwise what's the point?
I understand some girls will date anyone if they pay enough. And I don't judge. I just know that for a girl to keep seeing me for a $100 a date she has to like me. At $300 a date I would never know if it was me or the cash. Does that make sense?
MESSAGE 5.
Send a long personalized intro letter explaining the details of your donation and expectations. Now when you go to the M&G you have a great chance of going straight to the FC. So be prepared.
If they go silent at any point in the process, just forget about them. If they go off the script / desired reply, just answer their question or comment directly and then go right back to the script. You have to stay in control of the conversation at all times. And try lots of things, I know I have and continue to do so. This is just what I am doing now.
Until 2 weeks ago I was just going straight to message 5. Kinda crazy but it did work enough to keep me busy. But I am finding that this multi step process is drawing out some of the more reluctant girls as well as the easy pickings. Your message 5 needs to be very compelling, erotic but not sleazy and must convey some real sincerity. Take the control they want to give you.[/QUOTE]So, I'm a newbie / lurker here just made my first post over in the Greenville, SC forum. This seems to be the go to place for SB info. I just joined SA today. I've been reading trying to figure out the best way to get results. I found your five step guide. So what does message 2 mean: 123 message? Sorry if that's a dumb question.
I came across this Pot, and she stated that she's not interested in financial aspect of it, she just want physical and mental support. Someone fun and ready to have a good time. Whose guenuine, nice and respectful. This is my first time ever coming across a Pot, who not interested in the financial aspect of it. Anybody had a similar experience? How did it turn out? How did you approach it?
[QUOTE=RedThunder;2538840]So, I'm a newbie / lurker here just made my first post over in the Greenville, SC forum. This seems to be the go to place for SB info. I just joined SA today. I've been reading trying to figure out the best way to get results. I found your five step guide. So what does message 2 mean: 123 message? Sorry if that's a dumb question.[/QUOTE]HWG did some refining of his approach over time. The "123 message" is referring to asking "what are you looking for, emotional / physical / financial support? If you look in the FAQ thread in this forum, the current version of his steps are linked there.
There's been a lot of discussion about vasectomies lately, so I thought I'd relate my recent and on-going experience.
I know this procedure is generally a simple office procedure for the large majority of people. Not to scare anyone, but I'm still going through the vasectomy from hell. I went to the urologist I've been seeing for a few years for my prostrate exams. He has best of the city awards all over the walls. During the procedure he mentioned several doctors who he's done the procedure on. The price was $800.
Things went horribly wrong. A day after the procedure my left scrotum swelled to the size of a grapefruit. By the time I got to his office Monday morning it was more like cantaloupe sized. I had two business trips planned. On his OK I made it through those with much pain and discomfort. When I returned I went through an outpatient surgery where he made an incision in my scrotum to clean out the hemorrhage. A little over a week later I'm down to the size of a nectarine.
The killer is that I had a $6300 deductible on my insurance, so my $800 vasectomy is going to end up costing me over $4 k.
I'm lucky in that I'm divorced, but for you married guys trying to do this on the sly, just be aware that it's not always a simple procedure. The real killer is that I've missed out on 3 pots during this time, LOL.
Good Hunting,
Travelin.
Leading up to the end of the week, things look pretty rosie, until the last day (or the day prior to last day).
Had two POTs lined up as well as an MILF SB I had seen the past two weeks and were going to meet for some back door action. Well, she backed out with having something to do with her kid.
POT 1 is a 22 yr coed. Things look really good, conversations were great then she cancel with last minute dude to her sister needing her to help with the niece. Try to send her a couple message to reschedule, but it seems she went compltely silent. This one is as good as gone. POT 2 is a hot 21 yr black recent college grad, without job. Quite a spinner, 5'6 and very slim with a nice back. Talks before the FC date were all positive until the day before the appointed FC date, she said she needs to think about it a little more. I will give this one a few days before I get in touch with her again and see if there's a still a chance to reschedule another FC date. Doesn't look too optimistic, but at least there's still a small chance.
So, ended up with nothing for this week. Quite disappointed, and I just let my 1 month SA subscription ran out. Looks like I might need to pay up and sign on for another month.
Hope you gents are doing better.
Last night I get a message from a 21 y / o pretty blonde co-ed close to me that I had talk briefly to last week. Asks if I am still interested. Sure I am. We exchange regular e-mail addresses and I go thru the 5 step e-mail. She's very interested and we set up a coffee date for this morning. Guess what? No show, no e-mail. Total silence. And, she has taken down her SA account. I'm wondering if Mommy and Daddy caught her. NEXT!
So the next is two different 20 y / o POTS I also talked with last night. Currently working on m&g's with them for next week. What IO love about SA is that there is always some new talent waiting to be scooped up.
[QUOTE=RedThunder;2538840]So, I'm a newbie / lurker here just made my first post over in the Greenville, SC forum. This seems to be the go to place for SB info. I just joined SA today. I've been reading trying to figure out the best way to get results. I found your five step guide. So what does message 2 mean: 123 message? Sorry if that's a dumb question.[/QUOTE]Its a way to qualify a girls intentions.
[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;2532418]About every few months I end up with about 10 or 20 POTS I never seem to get around to. So rather than making excuses I just delete them all and start over. Here is the first new batch from the last week.
A - 24, 5'9" mixed with model looks and body and close by and has a car. Definitely going to meet. Curvy spinner.
B - 18, 5'9" white latina very new to everything but ready to learn, no car. Will meet just to see if she is as kinky as I think she might be. Bigger girl with big tits.
C - 19, 5'4" AA close by and has a car, best attitude so far. For sure going to meet.
D - 18, 5'3" AA beautiful but far and no car and just turned 18, super strict parents. Might have to bite the bullet due to her looks and make the drive.
E - 18, 5'6" white latina arty girl, very far, very intelligent, no car.
[/QUOTE]UPDATE AFTER 5 DAYS.
A. 24, still in the game. Haven't met yet. Message daily (pictured a). Very tall 5'9" but in the dream girl category for me.
B. Flaked and mia. Goodbye.
C- Met and talked. No chemistry.
D. MIA.
E. Very excited about our date Sunday night (pictured e). 18, tiny body and only 5'3".
So three dropped off the list and two are still in play. I added 4 new POTS since then. I dont consider any girl a POT until I have her phone # and email address & an agreement on the sugar amount. But two girls seemed so enamored and down to earth that for the FIRST time ever I am going on a M&G with no prior talk of sugar. They are both 18 and tiny and could keep me entertained for hours. lol. They are so perfect for me that it's worth the risk.
Everyone says POT this and POT that, but from what I have read on this thread, a lot of these POT's are not POT's. They are more like pre-POTS.
IMHO it might be a little clearer and more meaningful to use the pre-POT designation if that is what the case may be. The mission statement of this thread is to disseminate the most relevant information possible, so as for all of us to sharpen our skills to the best of our abilities. I am sure in the past I have been an equal opportunity offender. In the future I will use the designations pre-POT and POT depending on which step of the ladder they are really on. According to my spreadsheet I currently have about 6 pre-POTS as well as the afore mentioned POTS.
http://coach4ula.wix.com/fivesteps - for the newbies
[QUOTE=Falar;2539354]I came across this Pot, and she stated that she's not interested in financial aspect of it, she just want physical and mental support. Someone fun and ready to have a good time. Whose guenuine, nice and respectful. This is my first time ever coming across a Pot, who not interested in the financial aspect of it. Anybody had a similar experience? How did it turn out? How did you approach it?[/QUOTE]It happens. I've had a few babies where fun happened without sugar. Just remember nothing in life is free and if it seems too good to be true it probably is. Mental and emotional support can be just as taxing especially if you are attached and already have other emotional responsibilities. Just remember to always be clear about expectations.
[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;2539444]Its a way to qualify a girls intentions.[/QUOTE]Just want to say thanks for the guide. That really works well. Wish I'd tried SA earlier.
[QUOTE=ReaperGuy;2534197]I wouldn't trust a 19 year old to tell me anything about timing her fertility cycle. Be wary of going in raw and having her grab you and pull you in so you can't pull out either.
So after ditching my first attempts in the bowl (3 of which were sucessful FC visits, 2 didn't pan out), have 4 pots lined up right now I'm working on:
#1 35 year old MILF. We negotiated a rate of 275/ visit up front, she clearly knew what she was doing and was easy to talk to. Little higher than I like, but she has a gas guzzling SUV and I'm pretty sure on our first visit I'm going to be smashing her ass from behind in the backseat area of said SUV so I'm ok with it. 7/7 in the looks department from pictures, I have the feeling in person might be better. Long distance trip for this one so I plan to only see her once a month, maybe twice tops. Hope the payout is worth it, if it isn't I might cut her loose due to the cost and the distance.
#2 29 year old - 8/6, she put on some weight that she's trying to burn off and I can respect that. Has natural red hair, a big+ for me. We traded dirty pictures back and forth, she wants to get to know me better before FC so we've already gone on one date. Had some real chemistry and I hope this one works out. Have not discussed funds yet, I'm getting the vibe that she just wants a fuckbuddy and I am ok with that.
#3 19 year old. Very large breasted young girl that is very submissive. We were texting back and forth to talk about what we're looking for and she left an opening for me to ask about pictures, she pretended she didn't like doing them then sent me some rather exquisite photos of her uncovered DD chest while biting her lip. I proceeded to tell her to take a few more for me in various poses and she responded 'yes sir'. We have a meetup scheduled for Thursday, she was very open about wanting some daddy dick so I will hopefully be drained shortly after dinner. Funds haven't been discussed yet, plan to do so at the meetup. I haven't had luck discussing funds up front with most of the young girls, the older ones are usually easy to talk to about it.
#4 19 year old. Very inexperienced girl looking for daddy to teach her about life and sex, said she has only been with one boy in high school. Sent me some pictures (are you seeing a trend here?) after I asked for them and she has the sweetest looking pussy I've seen in a while. Very receptive to comments and suggestion, going to try to visit her this week somehow and see if I can get a sample. Isn't asking for much, cares more about guidance and mentoring than money. Has the potential to be The Dream, the young one you can mold to be what you want.
Definitely in the feast part of 'feast or famine', I've been actively turning away contacts at this point. 2 of the 4 pots I have right now contacted me, not vice versa, which I found amazing.[/QUOTE]Update on standings-.
#1: Haven't had a meetup yet, going to try to line something up this week though.
#2: Did an initial meetup and we had some real chemistry, have a confirmed FC visit tomorrow after lunch at her place. Expecting good things from this one, we've had a lot of conversation about tomorrow's visit and expectations.
#3: Ended up being out of my price range, next'd her prior to M&G. Have a feeling I'll here back from her eventually when she can't find someone offering what she wants.
#4: Also a FC visit tomorrow, we'll see if it pans out. Hopefully I won't be completely drained from #2, might be a 4 shot day.
Had a few other discussions but nothing confirmed or serious yet with some other girls (or as HWG is calling them, pre-pots).
How do you all deal with potential sbs that ask to see your facebook page or proof of who you are? I had one asked me today and I said that I wasn't comfortable giving out my personal information like where I work and relatives info etc. Then she said for a picture of my driver's license. I said no thank you and good luck to you. It was a shame, because she was hot and I had even video chatted with her. I just don't want anyone coming to my place of work or trying to get in touch with my relatives and coworkers.
[QUOTE=Donwhite;2540368]How do you all deal with potential sbs that ask to see your facebook page or proof of who you are? I had one asked me today and I said that I wasn't comfortable giving out my personal information like where I work and relatives info etc. Then she said for a picture of my driver's license. I said no thank you and good luck to you. It was a shame, because she was hot and I had even video chatted with her. I just don't want anyone coming to my place of work or trying to get in touch with my relatives and coworkers.[/QUOTE]
I've been asked ONCE by a POT for a driver license. You have to ask yourself, what does a POT want with this info? A true non-pro would never even think about this.
I don't deal with it, I'd said 'see ya' and move on to the next target.
Nothing good will ever come out of having your personal info given away to a stranger.