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I'm not giving rides to the airport, or to the bus station any more.
Seems a refrigerator full of food in the workplace means people live there (my employer should have been busted). Or providing a ride to someone with a suitcase as they arrive / depart town is also somehow suspect.
[URL]https://www.yahoo.com/news/police-landed-only-human-trafficking-050106578.html[/URL]
[QUOTE=LuapW;4169762]My father gave me this advise 50 years ago. The few encounters I have ever had with LE, I've always respectively "shut up". I have never been arrested and nothing has ever happened because I've kept my mouth shut. The other advise he gave me was not to call him if I was ever in jail. He said I was on my own. I have passed this advise on to my children. Unfortunately, I have one son who cannot shut up. Last time, I told him he deserved what he got because he didn't shut up. He said that was the meanest thing I had ever said to him. LOL.[/QUOTE]Several years ago, when FIB was really hopping, I got off late one night and did a little cruising. I pulled into the old Waffle House turned something else and something just did not feel right so I turned and headed home. Not 5 minutes later I am being pulled over on I-20. The copy came up shining his flashlight all inside my SUV, I put my window down, I'd in hand and asked what was up. He stated a robbery was reported with a vehicle matching my vehicle. I politely and jokingly said, "Bullshit, I was pulled over because of my turn around off FIB. " He smiled and said yep, you did that in front of an unmarked. I told him I needed some coffee but once I pulled in the parking lot, did not feel safe and headed out. My military retired stickers probably helped some, but he did laugh and warn me that was not a good neighborhood to get coffee.
While I hear the Shut Up advice, if you can think fast on your feet and defuse the situation with a bit of humor, might help. Just never admit to what your real purpose was.
Happy Huntin.
[QUOTE=HobbyMan51;4170344]It was said long ago that the media exists for drama, and if there is no drama then the media will create the drama. This was said over 50 years ago by one of the leading political authors of that time. Today's media is our enemy, indeed THE enemy, for progressives and conservatives alike. There are no more Huntley-Brinkleys or Cronkites or Sevareid's, only drama seeking hysterical media ****** who are driving this country off a cliff. They love to be a part of the Sex Nazi gang because of the drama, not because they give a shit about any righteous cause. They would slit their grandmother's throat for a scoop.
BTW, the spell check wouldn't allow the word I wanted to use, appropriate enough though it is. The word's first two letters are wh for those who are sharp enough to figure it out.[/QUOTE]Eric Sevareid. Nice reference!
[QUOTE=MeatDumper;4170454]Not a lawyer so I hope you're right about this being proved illegal. I'm not so sure at least in Florida. Apparently Fl officials used what's called a sneak and peek warrant to set up cameras. The Google suggests this kind of activity is fair game under the patriot act. But thankfully sneak and peeks aren't allowed in Georgia just yet. Video surveillance was thrown out in the Dunwoody bust last year. Just hope the GA legislature doesn't get too anxious about changing things. Still getting caught up in this will leave one with a lot of explaining.[/QUOTE]Interesting about the video being thrown out in the Dunwoody case where similar tactics where use:
[URL]https://www.reporternewspapers.net/2018/07/07/judge-throws-out-video-in-dunwoody-prostitution-ring-trial/[/URL]
Good to know.
[QUOTE=Bbinsider;4173108]Interesting about the video being thrown out in the Dunwoody case where similar tactics where use:
[URL]https://www.reporternewspapers.net/2018/07/07/judge-throws-out-video-in-dunwoody-prostitution-ring-trial/[/URL]
Good to know.[/QUOTE]Not so fast. Sneak and peak warrants can be permitted in Georgia if the correct procedures are followed per the cited article. "There was no mention of a 'sneak and peek' warrant in the application or affidavit or order authorizing video surveillance, (Judge) Flake stated. The only way to get such a warrant in Georgia is if the DA makes a written application and it is approved by a judge. Flake ruled none of these rules were followed. "
[QUOTE=Bullett64;4172819]Eric Sevareid. Nice reference![/QUOTE]Nice catch!
[QUOTE=AsianLover;4173160]Not so fast. Sneak and peak warrants can be permitted in Georgia if the correct procedures are followed per the cited article. "There was no mention of a 'sneak and peek' warrant in the application or affidavit or order authorizing video surveillance, (Judge) Flake stated. The only way to get such a warrant in Georgia is if the DA makes a written application and it is approved by a judge. Flake ruled none of these rules were followed. "[/QUOTE]So now I wonder if all of those guys who accepted plea deals before the judge made his ruling can get their cases overturned.
[QUOTE=Niteluvr;4173442]So now I wonder if all of those guys who accepted plea deals before the judge made his ruling can get their cases overturned.[/QUOTE]The problem is they can't get their families, jobs, or reputation back. They were being discreet not hurting anybody. DeKalb was basing those arrests on "trafficking", but there wasn't anything even close to "trafficking" going on. Nobody was saved and many ended being hurt. Absolutely no point.
[URL]https://nypost.com/2019/02/28/how-patriots-owner-robert-kraft-could-get-off-in-prostitution-case/[/URL]
[QUOTE=Bbinsider;4173735][URL]https://nypost.com/2019/02/28/how-patriots-owner-robert-kraft-could-get-off-in-prostitution-case/[/URL][/QUOTE]Kraft was either the target to begin with or they are using his name to make this a high profile case. It was an 8 month investigation. If abuse / human trafficking were obvious they would have busted the place within the first week. Law Enforcement has gone on record saying that it's hard to charge someone with human trafficking. Why? Does it ever occur to anyone that maybe Law Enforcement might be in on the trafficking? You can't tell me that's not a possibility. The local police probably receive free / discounted services from that very place.
[QUOTE=Bbinsider;4173703]The problem is they can't get their families, jobs, or reputation back. They were being discreet not hurting anybody. DeKalb was basing those arrests on "trafficking", but there wasn't anything even close to "trafficking" going on. Nobody was saved and many ended being hurt. Absolutely no point.[/QUOTE]Exactly. Ruined jobs, families, marriages. All of this was just disgustingly and hypocritically stupid and TOTALLY unnecessary. I sincerely hope that this one bites you, LE, in the ass big time. We know you read these things, LE. This was a moronic and ridiculous grandstand on your part. Do your damn job and fight the murderous thugs running wild on the streets of every major city and town in this country. We don't need your "protection" from 90lb Asian women, got it? We are on to your bullshit, we know what the deal is, and you let all of us down big time when you pull stupid shit like this. Now get your asses out there and go after the real criminals, goddamit.
[QUOTE=TrillBoi69;4173915]Kraft was either the target to begin with or they are using his name to make this a high profile case. It was an 8 month investigation. If abuse / human trafficking were obvious they would have busted the place within the first week. Law Enforcement has gone on record saying that it's hard to charge someone with human trafficking. Why? Does it ever occur to anyone that maybe Law Enforcement might be in on the trafficking? You can't tell me that's not a possibility. The local police probably receive free / discounted services from that very place.[/QUOTE]Considering the proximity to Trump properties and the sheer dollar value of the targets in the area one could easily surmise this investigation dragged on until LE was comfortable with the size of the fish on the line.
[QUOTE=TrillBoi69;4173915]Kraft was either the target to begin with or they are using his name to make this a high profile case. It was an 8 month investigation. If abuse / human trafficking were obvious they would have busted the place within the first week. Law Enforcement has gone on record saying that it's hard to charge someone with human trafficking. Why? Does it ever occur to anyone that maybe Law Enforcement might be in on the trafficking? You can't tell me that's not a possibility. The local police probably receive free / discounted services from that very place.[/QUOTE]Not to get too conspiracy minded but due to the location of the spas hit and what place they are near, it may have been to find certain people and shame them publicly.
One of the main reasons for this type of enforcement is because it's an easy investigation and arrest for local LE. They do it for stat padding. They make quick, easy arrests that are plentiful in numbers. Then the department can spin this information anyway they feel is needed at the time. It reflects well for the police chief and local politicians when they want votes. It looks good on their books when they make so many arrests. Average non-critical thinking citizens think that LE is putting maximum effort into protecting their jurisdictions. They give their local citizens bullshit reasons why their investigation was so awesome and how it cleaned up the streets. If there was truly human trafficking going on in an AMP, wouldn't you think ICE or the FBI would be heading the LE involvement? There would be laws in place so that federal LE could simply walk in and check every person on the premises citizenship status and put it under the patriot act or some other frivolous "catch all" statute. Nope, they don't care 99.9% of the time because they are busy dealing with real crime.
It's always local LE or Sheriff's Dept. Since they can't find any real crime there, they charge them with not operating without the proper licenses (usual charge) or providing a sexual act / handy. The more crime in the city where a man's favorite establishment is located, the less likely they are to be harassed by LE. Why? Because their too busy dealing with other shit. Less likely? City of Atlanta. More likely? Brookhaven. Another reason is married women in the community persistently complaining to LE about it being in their city. Politics man. It sucks. Just my 2 cents.
Is there a reasonable expectation of privacy when mongering and more specifically mongering in a private residence / location?? My hunch is privacy is a general expectation for sexual acts and that seems to be the case for Kraft as there was no audio to suggest solicitation if video surveillance is thrown out.
[QUOTE=KDiezel;4174281]One of the main reasons for this type of enforcement is because it's an easy investigation and arrest for local LE. They do it for stat padding. They make quick, easy arrests that are plentiful in numbers. Then the department can spin this information anyway they feel is needed at the time. It reflects well for the police chief and local politicians when they want votes. It looks good on their books when they make so many arrests. Average non-critical thinking citizens think that LE is putting maximum effort into protecting their jurisdictions. They give their local citizens bullshit reasons why their investigation was so awesome and how it cleaned up the streets. If there was truly human trafficking going on in an AMP, wouldn't you think ICE or the FBI would be heading the LE involvement? There would be laws in place so that federal LE could simply walk in and check every person on the premises citizenship status and put it under the patriot act or some other frivolous "catch all" statute. Nope, they don't care 99.9% of the time because they are busy dealing with real crime.
It's always local LE or Sheriff's Dept. Since they can't find any real crime there, they charge them with not operating without the proper licenses (usual charge) or providing a sexual act / handy. The more crime in the city where a man's favorite establishment is located, the less likely they are to be harassed by LE. Why? Because their too busy dealing with other shit. Less likely? City of Atlanta. More likely? Brookhaven. Another reason is married women in the community persistently complaining to LE about it being in their city. Politics man. It sucks. Just my 2 cents.[/QUOTE]It's a good 2 cents and spot on.
Sneak and peek warrants are not currently allowed under Georgia law, Flake noted.
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Supremacy Clause
[quote]This Constitution, and the Laws of the United States which shall be made in Pursuance thereof; and all Treaties made, or which shall be made, under the Authority of the United States, shall be the supreme Law of the Land; and the Judges in every State shall be bound thereby, any Thing in the Constitution or Laws of any State to the Contrary notwithstanding.[/quote]
Sneak and peek was established under the Patriot Act, has nothing to do with terrorism, can even be applied to misdemeanors.
I also banned this user, you decided to retire your old one, I'm not letting you start a new one with an argument, especially one that's false.
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[URL]https://news.yahoo.com/patriots-owner-pleads-not-guilty-prostitution-charges-184345209--spt.html[/URL]
[URL]https://reason.com/blog/2019/02/28/homeland-security-spied-on-chinese-women[/URL]#comment_7697337.
As many of us said to begin with, there was likely no human trafficking involved with those Florida arrests. LE tends to lie quite often. When they shoot unarmed people in the back and when they arrest adults for consensual sexual activity.
[QUOTE=Bbinsider;4173735][URL]https://nypost.com/2019/02/28/how-patriots-owner-robert-kraft-could-get-off-in-prostitution-case/[/URL][/QUOTE]Of course it all bullshit to begin with, but glad to see the Keystone Kops screwed up even more than usual. Maybe he can get off without any fines or jail time, although of course his reputation is already sullied.
[QUOTE=PeterJohnson;4175087][URL]https://reason.com/blog/2019/02/28/homeland-security-spied-on-chinese-women[/URL]#comment_7697337.
As many of us said to begin with, there was likely no human trafficking involved with those Florida arrests. LE tends to lie quite often. When they shoot unarmed people in the back and when they arrest adults for consensual sexual activity.[/QUOTE]Now I'm totally beside myself. I thought all these guys with badges were saints!!
[QUOTE=IronHorseman2;4175232]Now I'm totally beside myself. I thought all these guys with badges were saints!![/QUOTE]Have you ever seen that comedy bit from Bill Engvall on how he got out of jury duty? When he was being questioned by one of the attorneys, he said, "I don't think cops ever lie. " It worked and that's exactly what I'm going to say if I ever get summoned for jury duty again.
IMHO one could agree when you have that kind of money and influence, you're essentially impervious to the law because you have access to the best defense (and have influence in media).
-in 90 days the collective public will move on to the next outage. He'll make a statement, start a non-profit for 'victims' etc.
[URL]https://patch.com/georgia/atlanta/not-sale-massage-parlors-flourish-georgia[/URL]
[QUOTE=Dudeatl;4188854][URL]https://patch.com/georgia/atlanta/not-sale-massage-parlors-flourish-georgia[/URL][/QUOTE]I am one that actually goes to get a legitimate massage for my bad back. Very soon these media are driving even the legitimate ones out of business. If you have evidences, arrest them. Don't make a blanket statement like this. The media sucks. Why don't they take a picture of American Spas?
[QUOTE=Acaryu;4188903]I am one that actually goes to get a legitimate massage for my bad back. Very soon these media are driving even the legitimate ones out of business. If you have evidences, arrest them. Don't make a blanket statement like this. The media sucks. Why don't they take a picture of American Spas?[/QUOTE]I wouldn't worry too much about the legit places. LE probably isn't interested in them anyway, especially if they don't operate out of a public storefront AND are not Chinese. When I want a very good, legit massage, I sometimes see Tatiana: [URL]https://www.massageanywhere.com/profile/TatianaK[/URL].
Just be sure to bust a nut before going because her looks can easily make a guy horny as hell.
[QUOTE=Dudeatl;4188854][URL]https://patch.com/georgia/atlanta/not-sale-massage-parlors-flourish-georgia[/URL][/QUOTE]Seriously, how does anyone traffic a 40-60 yr old against her own free will.
[QUOTE=SgtSoros;4221022]Seriously, how does anyone traffic a 40-60 yr old against her own free will.[/QUOTE]You mean a 40-60 year old that might be in the country illegally? They may have control over other family members? It might be years of physical and psychological abuse. I don't think it's all that hard.
[URL]https://www.mcall.com/news/breaking/mc-pol-sex-trafficking-backpage-shutdown-skip-the-games-20190322-story.html[/URL]
Trying to understand the logic here, adult female seeks transactional relationship with adult make, this is trafficking?
Sounds like most marriages...lol.
After reading that article, I went to Skip the Games and did not realize it was such good site for finding P4 P women. It's great that the police have helped me with my mongering hobby. LOL.
[URL]https://www.wcvb.com/article/florida-judge-rules-to-seal-all-videos-related-to-prostitution-case-involving-patriots-owner-robert-kraft/27311318[/URL].
[QUOTE=DicknSheetz;4253582][URL]https://www.wcvb.com/article/florida-judge-rules-to-seal-all-videos-related-to-prostitution-case-involving-patriots-owner-robert-kraft/27311318[/URL].[/QUOTE]'Tis the power of the Kraft billions at work on that one and the hypocrisy of the US justice system.
[QUOTE=Niteluvr;4253731]'Tis the power of the Kraft billions at work on that one and the hypocrisy of the US justice system.[/QUOTE]Video taping was illegal. Not allowed for misdemeanor. No trafficking, felony, charges filed.
[QUOTE=AaronHamlet;4254705]Video taping was illegal. Not allowed for misdemeanor. No trafficking, felony, charges filed.[/QUOTE]Are you sure the videotaping was illegal? They allegedly had a court order to do so.
[QUOTE=AaronHamlet;4254705]Video taping was illegal. Not allowed for misdemeanor. No trafficking, felony, charges filed.[/QUOTE]Warrant for video taping was based on suspected felony. No felony charged. Tapes are inadmissible.
[QUOTE=Niteluvr;4253731]'Tis the power of the Kraft billions at work on that one and the hypocrisy of the US justice system.[/QUOTE]And LE shit in it's own mess kit too. Someone should have known that this would blow up in their faces but being a bureaucrat is the same thing as being a dumbtard so logic and reason just wasn't going to happen here. Dumbasses.
They had a court order granted to video tape because they lied about human trafficking which is a felony. No one was charged with human trafficking, videos therefore not allowed, because it's a misdemeanor.
Palm Beach County accomplished their mission. They showed they are tough on crime. They probably put a dent in the illicit sex business in one of the biggest and wealthiest counties in Florida. They didn't need to convict or even charge anyone. Putting their pictures in the paper was enough. You see that a lot even here in Atlanta. It's made everyone everywhere a little more careful. We are still talking about it aren't we?
[QUOTE=Jeffinnatlanta;4256924]Palm Beach County accomplished their mission. They showed they are tough on crime. They probably put a dent in the illicit sex business in one of the biggest and wealthiest counties in Florida. They didn't need to convict or even charge anyone. Putting their pictures in the paper was enough. You see that a lot even here in Atlanta. It's made everyone everywhere a little more careful. We are still talking about it aren't we?[/QUOTE]Tough on crime my ass. It's real brave to scare 90 lb Asian women and ruin the lives of their customers, isn't it? Let's put these a-holes in a room with real tough guys and we'll see just how tough these pussy-assed bureaucrats really are. Fuck them, and shame on LE for being their tool.
[QUOTE=Jeffinnatlanta;4256924]Palm Beach County accomplished their mission. They showed they are tough on crime. They probably put a dent in the illicit sex business in one of the biggest and wealthiest counties in Florida. They didn't need to convict or even charge anyone. Putting their pictures in the paper was enough. You see that a lot even here in Atlanta. It's made everyone everywhere a little more careful. We are still talking about it aren't we?[/QUOTE]Now that his legal team has gotten the video kicked do you think he's done? When he goes for damages (what are damages when your net worth is in the billions) and Jupiter Florida has to rename themselves to "WearesosorryweeverfuckedwithRobertKraftville" do you think they will still be congratulating themselves on being "tough on crime?" Will they still think they accomplished their mission? It's time we stop saying, ESPECIALLY on this forum that "putting their pictures in the paper was enough" enough for what, to shame them for doing something that is entirely legal in every other developed country in the world?
Stop giving the anti prostitution people your support by buying into, and spreading their agenda.
Just saying.