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Don't pay upfront before playtime starts. She wants money upfront walk out.
Still wondering which well rated provider has allowed this to happen?
[QUOTE=RonM;5448188]Don't pay upfront before playtime starts. She wants money upfront walk out.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=RonM;5448188]Don't pay upfront before playtime starts. She wants money upfront walk out.[/QUOTE]You pay to get a massage. You paid before the massage began. It's gone. They know this when negotiations start. She wants to charge you a ridiculous sum and you say Yes because you already paid for the massage you probably didn't care about in the first place. So you end up paying 6 bills for a boring, no touch handy, 8 bills for something more fun. And it just keeps getting worse the more you want. All because you already paid for the massage?
Look, I know it's ridiculous to expect all of us mongers to share in some brotherhood pledge to never pay up front, never go above this or that price for a standard finish, etc. But consider the long term effects of your decision to cave in and pay an exorbitant price up front. They just keep it up, expecting the next guy to cave as well. Walking out and saying goodbye to your upfront money for the massage is tough, but has to be done.
Consider that they hate bad reviews, especially the ones who operate the places and do the advertising. A place gets a bad rep and they have to do start advertising "Under New Management", hoping to get you back in with this vague hope that things will be better.
If you haven't walked at least once, you have some dues to pay.
At least in the AMP world which is where I do all my mongering I never have and never will pay upfront. When they ask I always say no and they usually then say ok to pay after. My last go around at a Korean place the lady refused to let me tip after so she made the decision to get no tip. I guess she did not need the money.
[QUOTE=SamSpade;5449156]You pay to get a massage. You paid before the massage began. It's gone. They know this when negotiations start. She wants to charge you a ridiculous sum and you say Yes because you already paid for the massage you probably didn't care about in the first place. So you end up paying 6 bills for a boring, no touch handy, 8 bills for something more fun. And it just keeps getting worse the more you want. All because you already paid for the massage?
Look, I know it's ridiculous to expect all of us mongers to share in some brotherhood pledge to never pay up front, never go above this or that price for a standard finish, etc. But consider the long term effects of your decision to cave in and pay an exorbitant price up front. They just keep it up, expecting the next guy to cave as well. Walking out and saying goodbye to your upfront money for the massage is tough, but has to be done.
Consider that they hate bad reviews, especially the ones who operate the places and do the advertising. A place gets a bad rep and they have to do start advertising "Under New Management", hoping to get you back in with this vague hope that things will be better.
If you haven't walked at least once, you have some dues to pay.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=DMichaels69;5449203]At least in the AMP world which is where I do all my mongering I never have and never will pay upfront. When they ask I always say no and they usually then say ok to pay after. My last go around at a Korean place the lady refused to let me tip after so she made the decision to get no tip. I guess she did not need the money.[/QUOTE]We have the money. We should be in control. Rocket Dork.
[QUOTE=Jaster191;5449195]Pretty face, good body, nice tits but a bit saggy.
Seems pretty reserved but can get into the session. DATY responsive without going over the top, no FIV. BBBJ to completion fine but spits / finishes with HJ.
I think Charlize at Michelle's actually has a prettier face, similar body though Charlize has a bit more wear and tear down there probably due to kid.
Overall good time with MA but driving up to OHare to see her makes this probably not a repeat for me.
On MA agency: I had a lot of problems getting approved but in retrospect this was mostly my fault. If you just make sure your RS2 K is actually up to date (mine had expired), and reach out to them on Telegram, getting approved is a breeze. I messed around with email and P411 messaging for too long, they are less responsive there. In general after approval they are pretty polite and professional on telegram.[/QUOTE]Jaster, you have admitted that you are Marcus (who has been known to be the leader of MCE and AlenaChicago), so honestly you are again doing what you've done before: badmouthing other agencies and promoting your own.
I would say what you're doing is low, but apparently this is par for the course for you since you've done this repeatedly.
[QUOTE=DMichaels69;5449203]At least in the AMP world which is where I do all my mongering I never have and never will pay upfront. When they ask I always say no and they usually then say ok to pay after. My last go around at a Korean place the lady refused to let me tip after so she made the decision to get no tip. I guess she did not need the money.[/QUOTE]There is always two sides to every situation. I've had several girls tell me over the years that guys have agreed to an L1 finish (or more), only to then walk out without tipping anything at all.
There is no recourse for these girls to get what's owed to them. And the psychological distress of having jerked off a nasty, fat, old man who bailed on the tip is far too impactful for them to care about a small minority of customers who demand to pay afterwards.
The reality is that there are far more important factors in the outcome of a session than when the money is paid.
[QUOTE=RocketDork;5449324]We have the money. We should be in control. Rocket Dork.[/QUOTE]Agreed.
Why pay upfront?
Let her work for the money first before you pay her.
If some of you guys who pay upfront want her to control the session and let her do what she wants and doesn't want to do that's your fault.
I would say the majority is becoming more AMP's are starting to ask for the tip before, used to be minority. Nobody goes in there and demands to pay after, its a response to being asked to pay before.
[QUOTE=ApplePiePussy;5449411]There is always two sides to every situation. I've had several girls tell me over the years that guys have agreed to an L1 finish (or more), only to then walk out without tipping anything at all.
There is no recourse for these girls to get what's owed to them. And the psychological distress of having jerked off a nasty, fat, old man who bailed on the tip is far too impactful for them to care about a small minority of customers who demand to pay afterwards.
The reality is that there are far more important factors in the outcome of a session than when the money is paid.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=DMichaels69;5449779]I would say the majority is becoming more AMP's are starting to ask for the tip before, used to be minority. Nobody goes in there and demands to pay after, its a response to being asked to pay before.[/QUOTE]I'm always paranoid about paying for FS and coming before the deed, but it hasn't happened too many times.
Yes I think that would be a problem, LOL.
[QUOTE=Fit312;5449882]I'm always paranoid about paying for FS and coming before the deed, but it hasn't happened too many times.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Devlin;5447994]If a poster is going to b*tch that he was shortened on time, they should call to ask if her rate is "One and Done" before they visit. *cough* Taylor *cough*.
Also, many have had a good time with Missy & Co but there's always one who will moan and complain because they paid for a hour and only received 57 minutes. LOL.
Before one hobbies, one should put on their Big Boy Pants.[/QUOTE]You need to work on your reading skills.
They quote their rates by *time*. I *paid* for the *hour*. I was shorted by 30 to 40 minutes, not 3. I wasn't trying for a second pop, I'd told them what I planned. I never even got the first pop with missy. And I wasn't the only one complaining about missy. Another reviewer on LC had a very similar story.
At least now I know not to trust any of your reviews.
Also, you're going on my ignore list.
[QUOTE=LS4V8;5442122]One of my long-time regular providers slipped up and gave me her real name.
Curiosity got the better of me and I searched her name and found out she was involved as an accomplice in some really evil sex crimes 10 years ago. She did 8 years in prison for her part. It was big enough for her face to make front page on the Tribune.
I'm not sure how to process this info. I'm just feeling real anxious. And now I'm kind-of afraid to see her again.[/QUOTE]Go with your gut / instinct. You might be good multiple more times with her, but that one time the crazy / evil comes out won't be worth it.
Announcer: The story you are about to see is true. The names have been changed to protect the innocent.
Devlin: Hi, this is Devlin. I came across your ad. If I pay you a hour and "Pop" beforehand, can we at least play a game of Bridge or Yahtzee or Simon afterward? I'll bring the Simon game.
Provider: Hi, Hun. After you "Pop" you must leave. Why don't you do a quick visit?
Devlin: Hmm.
Provider: Listen, Hun. I'm a sex worker. You pay me for sex, that's it. If you are bored and lonely, why don't volunteer or join a book club or do sumthin' good to occupy your time. I won't tell you to Go Play In Traffic because that would be rude.
Laugh My Fat A** Off.
The other site is getting real cheap with their free days for sending in updates.
I just finished reading two pages from the bullshit pages. Then I read a couple of massage pages. This is just my view. I don't know why anyone is using AMPs in the first place, especially based on what I read here. I won't even comment on upfront or not. You pay the door fee. That gets you a massage. It can cost up to $100, depending on how much time you want to pay for. But you know you aren't really paying for the massage. You are hoping for extras. My local mall offers good complete massages for $30. You might pay for an AMP massage and get something good or something crummy that lasts a few moments, since the girl knows what you really want. Extras are costing really premium. Go back and read your own comments, guys. Some of you are paying several hundred dollars for a potentially decent massage you could get in any mall for a lot less money and then a whole bunch more for sex with a middle-aged mamasan. Hey, if you feel it is worth it, I congratulate you! I don't have the income to do it very often and I count my money somewhat more closely than that. But to each his own! By the way, yes, I have done AMPs before. But not for something like thirty years after figuring out the game. I admit to taking one for the team about 5 years ago just to review an out of the way place in my area that several were asking about. But that's it in the past 30 years.
[QUOTE=Ump1969;5455116]I just finished reading two pages from the bullshit pages. Then I read a couple of massage pages. This is just my view. I don't know why anyone is using AMPs in the first place, especially based on what I read here. I won't even comment on upfront or not. You pay the door fee. That gets you a massage. It can cost up to $100, depending on how much time you want to pay for. But you know you aren't really paying for the massage. You are hoping for extras. My local mall offers good complete massages for $30. You might pay for an AMP massage and get something good or something crummy that lasts a few moments, since the girl knows what you really want. Extras are costing really premium. Go back and read your own comments, guys. Some of you are paying several hundred dollars for a potentially decent massage you could get in any mall for a lot less money and then a whole bunch more for sex with a middle-aged mamasan. Hey, if you feel it is worth it, I congratulate you! I don't have the income to do it very often and I count my money somewhat more closely than that. But to each his own! By the way, yes, I have done AMPs before. But not for something like thirty years after figuring out the game. I admit to taking one for the team about 5 years ago just to review an out of the way place in my area that several were asking about. But that's it in the past 30 years.[/QUOTE]Everything that you wrote is correct, logical and makes sense. But what are you suggesting, what is the alternative, where to get those magic extras, if 30 bucks places are strictly legit?
Plan a trip to the Philippines. The girls will do whatever you want for as long as you want. No old high mileage broken down mamasans like the AMP's here. All young and money hungry girls will do whatever you want.
[QUOTE=Devlin;5453085]Announcer: The story you are about to see is true. The names have been changed to protect the innocent.
Devlin: Hi, this is Devlin. I came across your ad. If I pay you a hour and "Pop" beforehand, can we at least play a game of Bridge or Yahtzee or Simon afterward? I'll bring the Simon game.
Provider: Hi, Hun. After you "Pop" you must leave. Why don't you do a quick visit?
Devlin: Hmm.
Provider: Listen, Hun. I'm a sex worker. You pay me for sex, that's it. If you are bored and lonely, why don't volunteer or join a book club or do sumthin' good to occupy your time. I won't tell you to Go Play In Traffic because that would be rude.
Laugh My Fat A** Off.[/QUOTE]LOL. I've been following this debate for a while. In my experience, the lower end to mid-level girls see an hour as "up to an hour" which means as soon as you cum, your time is up. I don't consider that a scam or rip off because of how common that is. That's why I always say if the girl offers a QV or a HH rate, go with that instead.
The exceptions are typically only when they explicitly say two pops are included (or you ask and find out ahead of time or you get a quote for a second pop) or for the higher end girls who never get any traction on this website.
Knowing that, I always time it so that the sex is at the end. Chit chat, make out, DATY, BBBJ, DATY, sex, cuddle, chit chat, clean up, leave. That's what my $250 hour looks like.
My opinion? If you want a really drawn out full experience, consider higher end escort. Have a drink, talk, flirt, take a shower, bring toys, etc. I wouldn't do that stuff with a LC girl I never met before.
Right on!!
[QUOTE=Jinurso;5455903]LOL. I've been following this debate for a while. In my experience, the lower end to mid-level girls see an hour as "up to an hour" which means as soon as you cum, your time is up. I don't consider that a scam or rip off because of how common that is. That's why I always say if the girl offers a QV or a HH rate, go with that instead.
The exceptions are typically only when they explicitly say two pops are included (or you ask and find out ahead of time or you get a quote for a second pop) or for the higher end girls who never get any traction on this website.
Knowing that, I always time it so that the sex is at the end. Chit chat, make out, DATY, BBBJ, DATY, sex, cuddle, chit chat, clean up, leave. That's what my $250 hour looks like.
My opinion? If you want a really drawn out full experience, consider higher end escort. Have a drink, talk, flirt, take a shower, bring toys, etc. I wouldn't do that stuff with a LC girl I never met before.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Chicago41;5454824]The other site is getting real cheap with their free days for sending in updates.[/QUOTE]I seen this hot looking blonde MILF at the stop light and had to have her. I asked her if I gave her my number if she wouldn't mind having a drink with me. The next day we're at a bar and she pops the question," How big is your cock"? She doesn't believe and reaches over to cop a feel. I wasn't hard but she told me I had potential. I asked her,"Why"? She said her hubby of 15 years doesn't satisfy as she'd like and was tired of feeling a cock sleeve. Let me add though she was slender up top she was bottom heavy. Her hips must've been 50 inches. We call it a day. While saying goodbye at the car she asks if I wouldn't mind exposing myself. I was hesitant and she leaned in for a LFK. I started swelling as she unzipped my fly and her hand found my cock. She fondled me a little more than I was comfortable (being in public) and pulled away. I asked if she was satisfied and she responded," More than that"! We head to her home to be greeted by her half-naked husband. She winks at him. He asks," Big"? She emphatically responds, "Big"! I sensed a bit of concern on his face.
We end up doing the deed with him jacking off from afar. I could see why she needed some extra endowment. Her insides are quite wide and deep. She's one of few who can entirely accommodate me which is something I've been looking for quite a while.
Here's the problem: During my last visit while she was blowing me he joined in. I am not gay or bi but she said it turned her on and I was on the verge of cumming. As I alerted her that I'm cumming she jumps off and he shoves half my cock down his throat. I grab him by the throat and say," Listen mother fucker, you ever do that again and I'll rip that putrid cock right off your body"! The wife says," You ever want to fuck me again you'll let my husband suck your cock as he pleases"! I told her," Look at me! Does it look like I'd have trouble getting pussy"? She said," Not one that can accommodate your size"! (Good point)! We argued for a bit till I had to take a piss. She pointed to the bathroom and told me," Don't miss the bowl". Which gave me an idea. I pissed everywhere in the bathroom except the bowl! I come out to her husband fucking her. She screams," Wait! I need to feel you again"! I tell her to fuck off and slam the door behind me.
I get a call the next night telling me my presence it desired with open legs and mouth. I ignore the VM. Ten minutes later I receive a video. WTF! I've been filmed! She says she'll send the vid to all my contacts if I don't fuck her and her husband again. Now, I really don't have many people that I care about except for my family and a few good friends. I don't even care much about that. However, I do care that they will be harassed and bothered.
What do / can I do? Any suggestions? Any legal recourse? Any way to prevent them from sending vid? Any help?
The higher end ladies are the way to go if you want multi pop and want to spend the whole hour. The LC girls want you to cum fast so they can send you on their way. If you don't leave, their pimp / handler are close by.
[QUOTE=DMichaels69;5455956]Right on!![/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=BillFourFree;5454454]Thank you for the thoughtful reviews!![/QUOTE]Hey guys, before you commend Jaster on his reviews of Alena girls, look at his 5/28/21 review where he admits he's Marcus, and he's running these girls. The review is written by their agency head so take them with a big grain of salt.
[QUOTE=Sassafrass;5456285]Hey guys, before you commend Jaster on his reviews of Alena girls, look at his 5/28/21 review where he admits he's Marcus, and he's running these girls. The review is written by their agency head so take them with a big grain of salt.[/QUOTE]I pointed this out before the last time Jaster tried, also tried to inform on this new post but moderators didn't approve it.
You should also discount how he said Elsi was sub-par because she's a competitor so he's biased.
[QUOTE=Sassafrass;5456285]Hey guys, before you commend Jaster on his reviews of Alena girls, look at his 5/28/21 review where he admits he's Marcus, and he's running these girls. The review is written by their agency head so take them with a big grain of salt.[/QUOTE]LOL I'm not Marcus. A bunch of people were arguing about whether some other poster was Marcus, so I pulled a Spartacus reference (which evidently flew right over subs people's heads) to try to get them to stop arguing about meaningless crap.
I just listed three of their girls as tier three and basically recommended that you guys don't see them LOL, would the head of their agency do that?
Define Higher End Escorts.
[QUOTE=Jaster191;5456617]LOL I'm not Marcus. A bunch of people were arguing about whether some other poster was Marcus, so I pulled a Spartacus reference (which evidently flew right over subs people's heads) to try to get them to stop arguing about meaningless crap.
I just listed three of their girls as tier three and basically recommended that you guys don't see them LOL, would the head of their agency do that?[/QUOTE]I smell a Marckus. Even Tier 3, mongers will spend cash on pussy. Cause it's young pussy. Shit service, Ugly looks, they still spend on youth. That's the fucking truth. It all a grain of salt and just Hype by Markus and company.
[QUOTE=Sassafrass;5456285]Hey guys, before you commend Jaster on his reviews of Alena girls, look at his 5/28/21 review where he admits he's Marcus, and he's running these girls. The review is written by their agency head so take them with a big grain of salt.[/QUOTE]I like to add, that I don't understand how KelaniChi mustard up 126 reviews with her big forehead and almost boderline average body short stature height. She surpassed ChloeChi. Sure Chloe can use a bit of tanning and a bit more makeup however her performance excels what Kelani offers. Chloe is epitome of PSE almost relatable to Christy Macks. Not in looks but definitely in PSE. Shit, Christy Mack was once on SA. Too bad Marcus wasn't able to make her lick his ass when she was on it LOL. Seeking Arrangements to the ones that are not up to the times on here LOL. So many stupid questions on here, it doesn't fucken take that much effort to use the search box.
[QUOTE=RonM;5456632]Define Higher End Escorts.[/QUOTE]Here's one I saw recently:
[URL]https://www.yourlaceylove.com/[/URL]
She would never advertise on LC or them or STG. The only way to find her is on p411, Twitter, or if she shows up in a search on TER. She's expensive but gorgeous, drug free, lives in a classy downtown loft, and provides you with a full bar and an array of outfits to choose from and a bathroom stocked with men's toiletries and fresh towels. Nobody hiding in the bathroom, no used condoms in the garbage can, no mysterious stains on the sheets. And I got to cum three times in an hour session that ended up going 20 minutes over because we were having too much fun to stop just because the clock said so. She only has 2-3 appointments a day, and she spaces them out for her "mental and sexual health". Just a fundamentally different experience.
THAT'S the kind of girl I could spend an entire hour with. In fact, two weeks after I booked two hours and we ended up going almost three.
[QUOTE=Jaster191;5456617]LOL I'm not Marcus. A bunch of people were arguing about whether some other poster was Marcus, so I pulled a Spartacus reference (which evidently flew right over subs people's heads) to try to get them to stop arguing about meaningless crap.
I just listed three of their girls as tier three and basically recommended that you guys don't see them LOL, would the head of their agency do that?[/QUOTE]True. Makes sense. And Marcus if on here would describe his harem very differently because he's a big ass and a jerk.
[QUOTE=Jinurso;5457102]Here's one I saw recently:
[URL]https://www.yourlaceylove.com/[/URL]
She would never advertise on LC or them or STG. The only way to find her is on p411, Twitter, or if she shows up in a search on TER. She's expensive but gorgeous, drug free, lives in a classy downtown loft, and provides you with a full bar and an array of outfits to choose from and a bathroom stocked with men's toiletries and fresh towels. Nobody hiding in the bathroom, no used condoms in the garbage can, no mysterious stains on the sheets. And I got to cum three times in an hour session that ended up going 20 minutes over because we were having too much fun to stop just because the clock said so. She only has 2-3 appointments a day, and she spaces them out for her "mental and sexual health". Just a fundamentally different experience.
THAT'S the kind of girl I could spend an entire hour with. In fact, two weeks after I booked two hours and we ended up going almost three.[/QUOTE]From her site:
1 hour "reconnect" $700.
1. 5 Hours "Bring The Bubbly" $1000 *preferred minimum for first time suitors, longer dates encouraged*.
2 Hours "most requested" $1400.
3 Hours "another round" $1900.
4 Hours "dinner date" $2400.
6 Hours "A city night / day out" $3500.
24 Hours "Clock Free" $8000.
Her pics look decent but I have viewed a lot of these types of pages from TER and I mostly see average looking girls with above average looking webpages who use stilted language in an attempt to oversell what is being offered. They spend their money on professional photographers who pick perfect angles and employ photoshop to liposuction their pics.
These are the types of escorts who hang out in escort forums in their spare time and lecture other girls about "giving it away" and how their jobs are so difficult because mongers don't want to give up their identities. They all have wishlists from Amazon or high end department stores using phrases like "spoil me" or "if you're feeling generous. " Like this isn't your wedding, *****. Nobody cares what would look good in your kitchen.
We all have different tastes and I'm not here to judge those who spend their hard earned on these types of girls. However, if I'm going to spend 1 k for an hour and a half, I would much rather take that to an Asian apartment, tip the door guy to lock the doors and buy all 3 girls in VIP for a couple of hours. But that's just me.
[QUOTE=GametDealer;5456745]I smell a Marckus. Even Tier 3, mongers will spend cash on pussy. Cause it's young pussy. Shit service, Ugly looks, they still spend on youth. That's the fucking truth. It all a grain of salt and just Hype by Markus and company.[/QUOTE]Then again maybe you are Marcus and in an attempt to throw us who spend all our free time obsessing about Marcus off of your trail. I haven't figured out exactly what you are trying to achieve but it is probably something worthy of a villain in a Bond film. We must stop you before you achieve world domination through hookers. I am going to see as many hookers as I can in order to interrogate them about your organization.
[QUOTE=ApplePiePussy;5458434]These are the types of escorts who hang out in escort forums in their spare time and lecture other girls about "giving it away" and how their jobs are so difficult because mongers don't want to give up their identities. [/QUOTE]Could you direct to some of these escort forums? I think it would be fun (&informative) to see the world from the other side. Do they review us like we review them?
Exactly Right!!
" Like this isn't your wedding, * Nobody cares what would look good in your kitchen.
[QUOTE=IndigoWalk;5458780]Could you direct to some of these escort forums? I think it would be fun (&informative) to see the world from the other side. Do they review us like we review them?[/QUOTE]Try [URL]ECCIE.net[/URL]. They have a co-ed section & a ladies only section. There is interaction between men & women.
[QUOTE=IndigoWalk;5458780]Could you direct to some of these escort forums? I think it would be fun (&informative) to see the world from the other side. Do they review us like we review them?[/QUOTE]LOL! Here's a good one.
[URL]https://www.reddit.com/r/SexWorkersOnly/[/URL]
[QUOTE=ApplePiePussy;5458434]From her site:
1 hour "reconnect" $700.
1. 5 Hours "Bring The Bubbly" $1000 *preferred minimum for first time suitors, longer dates encouraged*.
2 Hours "most requested" $1400.
3 Hours "another round" $1900.
4 Hours "dinner date" $2400.
6 Hours "A city night / day out" $3500.
24 Hours "Clock Free" $8000.
Her pics look decent but I have viewed a lot of these types of pages from TER and I mostly see average looking girls with above average looking webpages who use stilted language in an attempt to oversell what is being offered. They spend their money on professional photographers who pick perfect angles and employ photoshop to liposuction their pics.
These are the types of escorts who hang out in escort forums in their spare time and lecture other girls about "giving it away" and how their jobs are so difficult because mongers don't want to give up their identities. They all have wishlists from Amazon or high end department stores using phrases like "spoil me" or "if you're feeling generous. " Like this isn't your wedding, *****. Nobody cares what would look good in your kitchen.
We all have different tastes and I'm not here to judge those who spend their hard earned on these types of girls. However, if I'm going to spend 1 k for an hour and a half, I would much rather take that to an Asian apartment, tip the door guy to lock the doors and buy all 3 girls in VIP for a couple of hours. But that's just me.[/QUOTE]As someone who has both gone to Asian apartments places and dropped over a grand on one girl, I can tell you they are very, very different experiences. Whether one is better than another for you is an individual question, not much different from any other debate about luxury vs. Utility. "Why get a Lexus when a Toyota has many of the same parts?" "Why go to the Spa at that Pennisula for $300 when you can get just as good a massage at your local Thai place?" "Why eat at Alinea when the food is better and cheaper at Publican?" I get it. For a lot of people food is food pussy is pussy.
Personally I enjoy both luxury and utility depending on my mood. But that's just me.
My take on some of the comments is its just a job for them, a business transaction. This is what I always thought anyway.
[QUOTE=Chicago41;5459869]LOL! Here's a good one.
[URL]https://www.reddit.com/r/SexWorkersOnly/[/URL][/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Jinurso;5455903]LOL. I've been following this debate for a while. In my experience, the lower end to mid-level girls see an hour as "up to an hour" which means as soon as you cum, your time is up. I don't consider that a scam or rip off because of how common that is. That's why I always say if the girl offers a QV or a HH rate, go with that instead.
[/QUOTE]Oddly enough, most of the girls I've been with, virtually all from LC, had no problem understanding that an hour is an hour. That's not some sort of tricky IQ test. If that was seldom the case, I would have adapted by now. So if I pay for an hour (*not* the qv and *not* the hhr, even if offered) and don't get it, I absolutely consider that a scam. Especially when the end of the session had nothing to do with first pop, since I didn't even get it, as with that cunnt Missy and her bullshit excuses (which was not unique to me).
I tend to come earlier in the session because it's harder for me to come later. (Getting old sucks.) Then I move on to other activities, none of which involve cards or dice. They are all activities that I asked about when I chose to pay for the hour, so these women have no reason to be surprised.
I will say that one woman told me a couple years ago that I was unusual in wanting every second, rather than just coming and leaving. But I'd told her from the very start that I use the whole time I pay for, so that was never an issue with her.
I've also taken to informing girls in advance of all my expectations. That has avoided some of the bullshit.
If you guys finish before the time you paid for that's on you. Then pretty much she'll assume playtime is over. Don't blame or get mad at the WG. You should already know what time frame you'll be done so you can pay accordingly based on that.