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Well once again "the king" is proven to be a bullshitter, he seemed to know about a providers business and she responded to counter his nonsense, when the fuk you idiots going to see him for what is and quit putting $$ in his pocket j / c man.
Congrats for the person that spoke up with great advice.
[QUOTE=MissHunter;5612058]I am pretty sure I have heard those exact words from someone here on the board. Interesting.
One more quick note that I didn't include earlier. If you have to be "friends" with someone to get a password don't you think you should know that person personally like actually have met the person? What classifies you as a friend of anyone then, your keyboard skills? I know I have personally seen certain "friends of" and they were the biggest assholes I have ever met and they got the boot quickly. Again verification is a very simple safe process if done correctly and efficiently.
I understand there are certain mongers out here that genuinely have the providers best interest at heart and want to help them out,These guys actually pay for the service. I am certainly not saying that all password holders are like this but in my experience certain ones only want free services or actually they expect it. I also believe that giving digits vs passwords is a BIG difference. Giving a girls number to a select few people that you can trust is different than having control of passwords and who can and cannot see your UTR. That is where the line gets crossed, when you start to encroach in the negotiations (ie asking to give discounts to certain friends) and also essentially picking the clientele for the provider.
Again my warning for all. If you are seeing a provider with a "password" handler you are only asking for trouble. If someone offers to give your number to a select few people to help you out that's a totally different situation and obviously a relationship has been built between the provided and the person handing out the number.
Looking at all the aspects of safety and I can understand how people would think a password is a safe bet but obviously that has now been proven to be fake news.[/QUOTE]I agree with you totally! I have been a member here longer than most, at one time very active on the board and Always giving contact info to trusted members without needing to be my friend per say. I would never pretend or act as a pimp or handler to any of the providers. I'm not active here like I once was, several reasons for that that I won't go into but I will admit this password friend thing is a real turn off for me. This board is here to share information so we can find and have a great experience, share freely, don't hide behind passwords.
Thanks A2 if you let me be heard this time. Stay safe guys and girls, play nice!
[QUOTE=JMaul;5612036]I didn't reply in the thread, apparently your post can be compromised (deleted) if you respond to someone else's and that individual deletes their post.
Private Parts. You bring up good points. The risk of providing general remarks means that they don't fit every single person or provider. None of my negative remarks about password hoarding (or is it whoring?) pertain to people who doing it in the interest of the provider.
I still think passwords are stupid AF. How someone can determine the validity of another individual on this forum simply by the remarks they make is beyond me. I want nothing to do with people who use it for their own personal benefit. To say that everyone is using it to their own personal benefit was a bit too much, but why'all got to It does happen . And probably more so than you may be led to believe.
I've had to communicate via email with providers to gain their trust. Send a PM in this forum. Use another provider for reference. But a password from one member to another does not validate a client for a provider. At best you may think it does. At worst it's no different than a handler. Maybe we will have to agree to disagree there LOL.
Personally I'd prefer to keep you all out of my discussions with the beautiful women of GR and although the thought of a hot threesome is appealing, it unfortunately doesn't include you. Two ladies you bet, but not you.
The best providers you hear about on these forums don't use passwords because they don't need to. They find ways to ensure they see reasonable clients and not assholes. And per other posts it sounds like there's great providers that aren't reviewed here because they are truly UTR.
To each their own. It's pretty easy for me, I've found some people have the same experience I do with someone and it helps me to understand who I may want to visit based on the trustworthiness of their other posts. There are those I don't trust.
Some of the worst experiences I've had were from providers being unnecessarily promoted, many with a password.
Every single one of my great experiences didn't require the help of another member or password to make it happen.
Maybe I'm just lucky, but I think for me it's a pretty tried and true method to just go on my own and not let someone else moderate.[/QUOTE]I think that the problem here is the definition of Under The Radar Providers. Unlike some of you stupid fucks that want to continually argue and brag about how big your old fat cock is, it actually means someone that doesn't want to openly post, probably a single mom who needs some extra cash to make it. This never works in my opinion because a girl that wants to see 10-15 regulars always ends up wanting to make more and posts on STG or some other site, when that happens, they are no longer UTR, just a regular provider. It is a unicorn in my opinion, if you find one let me know.
After you're all done having fun, use this review template for an accurate assessment for everyone to see.
Hobby Name:
Marketing: Advertises_UTR_Arrangement_.
Service Type:
Camera Friendly.
HJ_ CBJ_ BBBJ_ Throats_BLS_CIM_ Swallow_ CFS_ BBFS_ Daty_FIV_Greek_.
Extras: Prostrate massage_ Rim Job_ Pegging_ GFE_ MSOG_Fistable_Enjoys Being Toyed_ .
Rates:
Her Sweet Spot what is she particularly good / skilled at, if anything:
Apparent Skill Level:
Attitude:
Enthusiasm:
Personality: Friendly_Engaging_Talkative_Chatterbox_Sullen_Shy_Disinterested_Irritated_Can't Wait To Be Done_.
Hygiene:
Taste / smell of pussy Good_ ok_ Bad_.
Showered / shaved.
Breath.
Skin Condition:
Body type / physique:
Recent Accurate Pics?:
Attractiveness Face:
Attractiveness Body:
If you know what you are doing, can she enjoy herself?:
Phone Number (s) Used: If multiple numbers, list the most recent first - 7 of 10 digits_.
Email:
Website:
Affiliation, if any: Independent_ Agency_Massage Parlor_Strip Club_.
Hobby Acquaintances or Duo's With?
Age: Posted_ Looks like_.
Ethnicity:
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Teeth: Missing? Meth teeth_.
Bust size:
Bust Appearance: Boltons_ Full_ Saggy _.
Tattoos:
Piercings: Location_.
Feet: _ Toe sucking_.
Smoker?: _ smoke with client?
Signs Of Substance Use?
Incall: Clean_ Messy_ Smelly_ Risky_.
Repeat at this incall? Repeat with this provider_.
Date of Meeting:
Overall Experience: Comments.
I've spent a lot of time Taking One For The Team.
One of the most important things to learn is Negotiations.
I hobby on weekdays. Tuesday and Wednesdays for me. They'll quote you the highest rate possible, learn to gently negotiate and try not to offend. For new contacts I text about 11 am on Tuesday, using a phone app on my hobby phone. Using the phone app allows me to negotiate to a number I know she will say No. I text again using my real hobby phone number with a better rate I know she'll say yes to because my phone app found out where the bottom is. I'm guessing I'm the only one texting her at 11 am on Tuesday and the hotel room has to be paid soon. She'll be willing to make a deal with me since the last text she got (from me also. LOL) was lower. This will never work Friday and Saturday, they have plenty of options and your negotiations will be ignored. You have to have game in this game. If not it'll cost you more than those that do. FYI most first time negotiations extend to the next weekday visits.
You're out of luck, If you can only monger on Friday and Saturday. Then it's time to tell the wife, options are getting thin and she'll have to take it on the chin.
A few years ago a few senior mongers were getting a little disappointed by the majority of members not willing to Take One for The Team. Just cruising on the site Lurking actually complaining that there's not enough talent.
I've taken one for the team many times more than I can count.
Like this one
Alisha / Lacy, Ms. Bad Bitc.
New name, new attitude. I know she always has a duo partner, so I was thinking with both heads when I told her that her gf can stay in the room. No reason she should have to sit in the parking lot. I thought she might lend a helping hand if needed.
She said her new menu was very open when we texted. 2 call setup, I parked in a restaurant next door. She wouldn't discuss the menu until I was naked on the bed, yes BBBJCIM ws was available but more money (upsell). I'm always ready to walk out of an upsell, so I told her I would get dressed take my donation and Leave. She said, this time because you're new, I'll do it for you at the regular rate. That blows any GFE if they start with upsell, so I thought this was going to be a short stay, she needed instructions, kept stopping hoping to miss the shot. I've been through this before, screw it tried FS, not working I hate the cover and she's not into it. Her past ads as Lacy always had her duo partner kissing her, so I know she likes girls and likes Daty, I pushed a pillow under her ass and dove in for lunch, she's definitely enjoying it Pop, shake and quivering and quivered again, I stuck my tongue down her throat then asked how she liked it, all she did was grin and nod. Then I told her that's how I want you to suck my dick, with all that extra play after I pop too. I told her we might need a helping hand from your gf, so she called her out of the bathroom (she was having a cigarette) then I told her to finger fuck her pussy while she gives me head, she let me lick her fingers for a taste, I was right she was loving it the fingers were soaked and tasted great too. Alisha's gf fingers set the rythum with a lot of slurping it didn't take long before her head was bobbing all the way down to the rythum of the slurping fingers. BAM and she swirled for awhile too.
The good. Good attitude and willing to please.
The bad. Tried to upsell, body is out of proportion wide hips with no tits. A's.
I don't feel like giving another lesson, maybe she needs Bloozer and his toy to stick her to the cieling.
The Link won't work right now, she's on bp escorts with 616232**** I will update the link later
The helping hand was entertaining but I probably won't repeat, there are other providers who already know what they're doing Sabrina, Angel, Kandi and Mercedes
A few of us were tired of being the only ones venturing out and taking the original risks to see providers and report back.
As a result I created a 12 step program to help all the lame whiners get out there and find some new talent that they were complaining there was a lack of.
Take One For The Team Guidelines (update # 4).
Step 1 : Find a girl you like, google her number search pics on Google Image.
1. A Search her number on Facebook. / It would wise to have a hobby (fake) FB page before searching.
Step 2 : Monitor the ad for at least 3 days, a sting from LE or Robbery set ups usually don't post for more than two days.
Step 3 : Let the usasexguide members know of your findings from google and ask if anyone has knowledge and you plan on TOFTT.
Step 4 : Buy a hobby phone, Do not use your real name for registration or to the provider.
Step 5 : Contact her on a slow day, for quicker response and better negotiations text or call on Tuesday or Wednesday. They get so many calls on a Friday they might lose your message.
A: Original contact should be a short stay or Hhr, to reduce the risk of an expensive bad date.
B: If her incall is a house address enter it into Google Street view to see the house and neighborhood.
If she gives you a location like 3 mile and Alpine, 28th street hotels between Division and 131, RRI, Knights INN on 28th. Tell her you won't go to those hotels and opt a for car date.
C: Save any negotiation for the end of the call or even your second contact. (a car date is 40 or less).
D: don't wear any loud clothing, blend in.
Step 6 : Never park in her driveway or the hotel parking lot. Park in the street or at a nearby business and walk. Example; if you go to motel 6 on 28th park in the restaurant lot.
Step 7 : Leave all valuables and drivers license at home or in the vehicle. Only take in the money you plan to spend.
Step 8 : Inform her if you are going to be late. If you're arriving early, contact the provider from a gas station a block away, so you and your vehicle do not raise suspicion. While waiting for her response, go in the bathroom and wash your balls while you wait. (providers biggest complaint is Hygiene). Contact her to say you are here. Do not go to any shady houses, just drive by and text her to let her know you will not be coming in her mouth tonight.
A: If you're at a house, have her meet you on the porch.
B: If the Hotel has a side door use it. If you have to walk by the front desk act like you live there, don't ask directions.
Step 9 : Knock on door. If the girl matches the pic stay, if not walk out and report back to USA that the pic doesn't match the girl.
Step 10: Check every room for safety.
Step 11 : Tell her you have the money and maybe show it to her but do not give up the cash until after you receive the services you negotiated for.
Step 12: Report back to USA in full detail including Looks, Smells & Cleanliness (of incall and provider), Attitude and Service.
12 A: Include a link to the providers advertisement so we know who you are reviewing.
These are some steps you should take before you TOFTT. Please add to the list if you see anything I missed.
Just trying to help.
[QUOTE=MissHunter;5611324]Well now I am going to speak up.
I am going to give my perspective on passwords now that I am now being brought into it.
Passwords are used by handlers and those that are looking for freebies. Now its up to the girl to decide if they are going to oblige with those requests from those gentlemen, and I hate to even refer to these guys as gentlemen. I look at them like the pimps they are TRYING to be. Most are fat washed up old men who feel power behind a keyboard and looking for a blow job here and there.
Most girls are nave and are willing to do whatever to make money and see passwords as a "safe" way of doing so. I can tell you that they DON'T work 100% and they only lead to bigger headaches a lot of the time. If a girl is actually intelligent and not a drug user she could easily handle the verification process on her own. We just don't see a lot of women with basic common sense doing this line of work.
Just look at Debra Hollander or Zara? Does they use a passwords? Look at their reviews and their verification process, do you ever hear about these providers ever having any issues? I guess its all about the clientele you are also trying to attract as well. I am very picky on who I see and if a picture isn't accompanied with a text I AM NOT seeing you. End of discussion.
I also don't agree with certain tactics on how these girls are being brought in to the industry by certain people but that's a post for another day..[/QUOTE]Looks like they're no longer friends and now we all know why.
[QUOTE=SlippingDog;5611915]With all the talk about passwords lately.
It reminds me of something a provider once told me that was said to her from someone on this board. "If I do for you, you do for me."
Just some food for thought.
Have a great day.[/QUOTE]That's interesting. And good food for thought. For those that are strong on passwords would it bother you at all if that was one of the reasons and method used for the password holder to be doing it? Or is that just kind of understood? If it's understood and a normal practice to do that "tit for tat" "blow for promotion" where's the line between pimping and "helping someone out"?
[QUOTE=Blackfire;5612970]That's interesting. And good food for thought. For those that are strong on passwords would it bother you at all if that was one of the reasons and method used for the password holder to be doing it? Or is that just kind of understood? If it's understood and a normal practice to do that "tit for tat" "blow for promotion" where's the line between pimping and "helping someone out"?[/QUOTE]Exactly. Personally I've spoken to several ladies that came in under a "password protected" system and had to break free. Apparently it's not all it's advertised to be.
I don't need anyone moderating my engagements, thank you very much.
Just look at the posts about passwords and you'll see for yourself. Maybe there would be a longer retention of ladies in the hobby if they weren't being groomed by people who are using YOUR money for THEIR benefit.
[QUOTE=Blackfire;5612970]That's interesting. And good food for thought. For those that are strong on passwords would it bother you at all if that was one of the reasons and method used for the password holder to be doing it? Or is that just kind of understood? If it's understood and a normal practice to do that "tit for tat" "blow for promotion" where's the line between pimping and "helping someone out"?[/QUOTE]You guys and Hunter are trying for purity in a hobby that has little of it in the first place.
If there's a girl I'd like to see out there that does not advertise and I don't know about her getting her digits and a PW is only a plus. And why do I give 2 shits if some guy gets a cut or a free BJ? You think most of the girls you see are spending their money on cancer research or tuition? I'd bet 98% have a drug and or alcohol habit. Some have a pimp / boyfriend. Kamila Blue from a few years back comes to mind. Unemployed druggie who used his "girlfriend" the 19 year old Kamila to fund his habit and pay for their room at Lazy-T. I watched him hop on his bike numerous times as I pulled in to see Kamila. But WHOA, Benz might be getting a free BJ! OMG! So you are ok giving your STG girl money to buy meth but not ok if a monger gets a discounted blow job for helping advertised her? Sounds like selective morals to me!
I don't know if Benz gets anything for his PW deal and do not care for the reasons above. Don't pretend you care so much guys. This hobby is not full of saints.
I can tell you 100% I've received nothing of value for UTR digits I've shared. I do admit it gave me an edge booking the girl later. But I never got a freebee or discount for it before.
Hell, I bought Destiny (not UTR mind you) a cellphone and got no freebee - and never expected one either. Here again, the plus was her old phone was crap and caused issues in communication so in a way it helped me but it also helped her.
BP sold them ads. Were you mad at BP? Get real!
Tit for tat is an English saying meaning "equivalent retaliation". Insult for Insult, like here in the Pugilistic Thread!
Quid Pro Quo is a favor or advantage granted or expected in return for something.
A Pimp gets a cut of the money and dictates what the lady does 24/7!
Helping with passwords in exchange for a BJ is Quid Pro Quo and SMART!
Why would anyone help a Hooker for Free unless it's their Job or "called to" Vocation? This is a Forum for finding hookers to fuck and suck! If you want to "appear" Righteous, go complain on FB or Twitter!
Now that Mr wonderful has been called out his 5 fuks rush to his Russia Russia hoax 😂128514;. And correct me but one of his buddies states the providers are hooked and users humm didn't he always say he was helping the addicts? What a line of bullshit, he was and is a troller of down on their luck addicts usually toothless and not top notch so he can benefit on others issues, now it comes to light but his 5 "jerry nadlers" who by the way seem to like fake news will back that dipshit and not call him out, but. On a positive I see snot nose's fat old lady took him off internet time out and as they say "he isss back" 😂128514; till she catches him again that is lmao.
And here we go with another handler tactic. Fill up the board with bullshit so nobody sees the true colors.
[QUOTE=Monger01;5613388]You guys and Hunter are trying for purity in a hobby that has little of it in the first place.
If there's a girl I'd like to see out there that does not advertise and I don't know about her getting her digits and a PW is only a plus. And why do I give 2 shits if some guy gets a cut or a free BJ? You think most of the girls you see are spending their money on cancer research or tuition? I'd bet 98% have a drug and or alcohol habit. Some have a pimp / boyfriend. Kamila Blue from a few years back comes to mind. Unemployed druggie who used his "girlfriend" the 19 year old Kamila to fund his habit and pay for their room at Lazy-T. I watched him hop on his bike numerous times as I pulled in to see Kamila. But WHOA, Benz might be getting a free BJ! OMG! So you are ok giving your STG girl money to buy meth but not ok if a monger gets a discounted blow job for helping advertised her? Sounds like selective morals to me!
I don't know if Benz gets anything for his PW deal and do not care for the reasons above. Don't pretend you care so much guys. This hobby is not full of saints.
I can tell you 100% I've received nothing of value for UTR digits I've shared. I do admit it gave me an edge booking the girl later. But I never got a freebee or discount for it before.
Hell, I bought Destiny (not UTR mind you) a cellphone and got no freebee - and never expected one either. Here again, the plus was her old phone was crap and caused issues in communication so in a way it helped me but it also helped her.
BP sold them ads. Were you mad at BP? Get real![/QUOTE]To each their own right? Side B is a probable druggie (you said 98% right?) being handled by Frenz and Choice B is a non-pimped clean provider.
It's not about being righteous. Drugs are bad m'kay? At least to me, and they bring about a bunch of unwanted attention and nasty habits with them. They're all yours dude, have at it.
Brook Billions was the final straw for me. Constantly promoted on the boards, with passwords no less. Guess what? Didn't need one. I wish I never met her. What a drugged out train wreck. Which is sad because I'm sure at one point she was pretty and decent. Not to mention the shit house she was in was busted. From that point forward it was clear that if I had any inclination to think hard drugs are involved, I'm out. Before you go by saying I'm some holier than thou twat I'm not condemning anyone who does it. It's your choice, your time, your money, and your safety. Seems a bit comical when there are constant complaints on the board about this type of provider yet still people pay because pussy is pussy. No thanks.
Following your example, below is a list of clean providers that fall into your 2%. I guess there really is a lot of options in GR when you take that into perspective.
Alyssa.
Anyone from body works (Brit runs a clean shop).
Sarah.
Jaye.
Miaa (HH).
Morgan.
Sweet Megan.
Delilah.
Julia Sweetcheeks.
Jenna / Tabitha.
Hunter.
Natalie (panacea).
Aliese (maybe still panacea?
And the list goes on.
Know what else every single one of those ladies had in common? No passwords, reliable service, decent human beings and won't waste your time. Oddly enough, I think all of them also share disdain for certain individuals who like to work the "password protected" circuit themselves, but I won't speak for them. Ask them yourself.
I'm trying to keep an open mind with what you're saying but I think your blurring a lot of different lines together. Ultimately I guess it comes down to what we consider a good provider.
[QUOTE=Monger01;5613388]You guys and Hunter are trying for purity in a hobby that has little of it in the first place.
If there's a girl I'd like to see out there that does not advertise and I don't know about her getting her digits and a PW is only a plus. And why do I give 2 shits if some guy gets a cut or a free BJ? You think most of the girls you see are spending their money on cancer research or tuition? I'd bet 98% have a drug and or alcohol habit. Some have a pimp / boyfriend. Kamila Blue from a few years back comes to mind. Unemployed druggie who used his "girlfriend" the 19 year old Kamila to fund his habit and pay for their room at Lazy-T. I watched him hop on his bike numerous times as I pulled in to see Kamila. But WHOA, Benz might be getting a free BJ! OMG! So you are ok giving your STG girl money to buy meth but not ok if a monger gets a discounted blow job for helping advertised her? Sounds like selective morals to me!
I don't know if Benz gets anything for his PW deal and do not care for the reasons above. Don't pretend you care so much guys. This hobby is not full of saints.
I can tell you 100% I've received nothing of value for UTR digits I've shared. I do admit it gave me an edge booking the girl later. But I never got a freebee or discount for it before.
Hell, I bought Destiny (not UTR mind you) a cellphone and got no freebee - and never expected one either. Here again, the plus was her old phone was crap and caused issues in communication so in a way it helped me but it also helped her.
BP sold them ads. Were you mad at BP? Get real![/QUOTE]You're still talking about Destiny. The dead heroin junkie who broke your heart. You could see the track marks on her arms in her Backpage ads. Benz is a joke. His so called UTR girls are a joke too. The guy has a fake Facebook page where he tries to talk normal girls into becoming prostitutes. I don't see druggies. I don't see girls with pimps or handlers. The last two girls I saw on a regular basis were both drug free full time college students. Some of us do care where are money goes.
As riveting as this thread is, does anyone actually believe they're going to change the way someone else Mongers? I'll remain the same low level scumbag I've always been and DJblower will remain the same highschool droput, living in his Mom's basement!
So I just got flowerchilds new pw and number. You can't trust anyone. 😂.
[QUOTE=Rome123;5613707]You're still talking about Destiny. The dead heroin junkie who broke your heart. You could see the track marks on her arms in her Backpage ads. Benz is a joke. His so called UTR girls are a joke too. The guy has a fake Facebook page where he tries to talk normal girls into becoming prostitutes. I don't see druggies. I don't see girls with pimps or handlers. The last two girls I saw on a regular basis were both drug free full time college students. Some of us do care where are money goes.[/QUOTE]Damn thanks I've been calling that fool out for awhile only to get bashed by his 5 ass buddies glad another sees him as the fake he is.
[QUOTE=JMaul;5613605]To each their own right? Side B is a probable druggie (you said 98% right?) being handled by Frenz and Choice B is a non-pimped clean provider.
It's not about being righteous. Drugs are bad m'kay? At least to me, and they bring about a bunch of unwanted attention and nasty habits with them. They're all yours dude, have at it.
Brook Billions was the final straw for me. Constantly promoted on the boards, with passwords no less. Guess what? Didn't need one. I wish I never met her. What a drugged out train wreck. Which is sad because I'm sure at one point she was pretty and decent. Not to mention the shit house she was in was busted. From that point forward it was clear that if I had any inclination to think hard drugs are involved, I'm out. Before you go by saying I'm some holier than thou twat I'm not condemning anyone who does it. It's your choice, your time, your money, and your safety. Seems a bit comical when there are constant complaints on the board about this type of provider yet still people pay because pussy is pussy. No thanks.
Following your example, below is a list of clean providers that fall into your 2%. I guess there really is a lot of options in GR when you take that into perspective.
Alyssa.
Anyone from body works (Brit runs a clean shop).
Sarah.
Jaye.
Miaa (HH).
Morgan.
Sweet Megan.
Delilah.
Julia Sweetcheeks.
Jenna / Tabitha.
Hunter.
Natalie (panacea).
Aliese (maybe still panacea?
And the list goes on.
Know what else every single one of those ladies had in common? No passwords, reliable service, decent human beings and won't waste your time. Oddly enough, I think all of them also share disdain for certain individuals who like to work the "password protected" circuit themselves, but I won't speak for them. Ask them yourself.
I'm trying to keep an open mind with what you're saying but I think your blurring a lot of different lines together. Ultimately I guess it comes down to what we consider a good provider.[/QUOTE]Clearly I was talking about escorts. To post a list of primarily massage girls delutes your point.
The one part I won't argue is preferring drug free providers. Unfortunately its generally a pretty short list in the price range of many here. If you can drop 2 bills a visit on a regular basis great for you! I cannot.
[QUOTE=DjBiker;5614105]Damn thanks I've been calling that fool out for awhile only to get bashed by his 5 ass buddies glad another sees him as the fake he is.[/QUOTE]Finally some one sees what a dbag this guy is. Old ass prick. Hey Benz? Does your mom work too? I always like them older.
[QUOTE=Derrick22;5615042]I have been in to see Mel a few times now. When I say she's amazing, WOW! She's drop dead gorgeous. Nice soft skin, perfect boobs, very very nice ass. I would give my last to go in to see Mel. Her touch gives you chills, her soft voice, The way she teases you. It's to die for. I think about that perfect body throughout my day. My mouth waters every single time she crosses my mind.[/QUOTE]Mel, your self reviews read like ads. The monger one post below you asked what hours you work. Could you at least answer his question?
Post a pic of yourself! Many of us love Panacea. If you're a hot girl stop scamming the board and post a pic.
[QUOTE=NoseJelly;5613806]As riveting as this thread is, does anyone actually believe they're going to change the way someone else Mongers? I'll remain the same low level scumbag I've always been and DJblower will remain the same highschool droput, living in his Mom's basement![/QUOTE]You cracked me up with your reason to edit your own comment! Nice to insert some humor in this highly contested subject.
I spoke out against password handling of girls long ago. Years ago. I disagree with it and feel those requiring passwords for girl info are handlers of girls at a minimum. I think what happens here is certain mongers want to feel important here, feel like their "the man", had the most pussy, knows the most girls. The sole purpose of this board was stated by A1 (Jackson, founder of USASG) many years ago as:" A way guys get and share info to find pussy. " Freely sharing info. This site allows us members to see each others activity, posts, etc. Pm's are where personal, digits, etc. Are shared. Share at your discretion. If you feel a need to "protect" a provider then don't share, but, don't fuck her. If you want a girl to yourself, marry her.
[QUOTE=Asianplvr;5616036]You cracked me up with your reason to edit your own comment! Nice to insert some humor in this highly contested subject.[/QUOTE]Good to hear from you APlvr. I met a few nice Asian Massage Girls from your prolific AMP posts!
[QUOTE=Asianplvr;5616067]I spoke out against password handling of girls long ago. Years ago. I disagree with it and feel those requiring passwords for girl info are handlers of girls at a minimum. I think what happens here is certain mongers want to feel important here, feel like their "the man", had the most pussy, knows the most girls. The sole purpose of this board was stated by A1 (Jackson, founder of USASG) many years ago as:" A way guys get and share info to find pussy. " Freely sharing info. This site allows us members to see each others activity, posts, etc. Pm's are where personal, digits, etc. Are shared. Share at your discretion. If you feel a need to "protect" a provider then don't share, but, don't fuck her. If you want a girl to yourself, marry her.[/QUOTE]We talkin passwords again? But I mostly agree, don't pretend this lady owes you or you own her. Is love possible in the hobby? Sure, look no further than Riley. Someone snatched her up and she's retired. Good for him / her, I hope they're happy. She probably delivered more monger smiles than anyone else in GR. She didn't need passwords either. Don't you find it odd that one of the nicest, most affordable and sexually energized ladies in the hobby didn't need a password "for her safety?" Funny too that I don't recall a single review from a certain senior poster on Riley that loves passwords. She's was known for a phenomenal BBBJWS too.
I do think some discretion should be used in posts, just a personal thing and not trying to cast negative light on people sharing info. There are times where posters have listed a service or rate that comes back to burn them. A provider won't see them any more or takes heat for posting too much. Some ladies even request you don't post at all. My rule of thumb is that if I think there's reasons stay away, I'm sounding the alarm. If I want to see them again, I share info stating why. If you find my reviews lacking info, it's because I value some of the discretion between the provider and me. It's not my job to tell you exactly what you can get because I haven't a clue who you are and while we are helping call out the good and bad I'm not risking my future sessions for some asshat who thinks he deserves the same.
Maybe I've been doing it all wrong, deservedly I was put on moderation a while back for posting something that ultimately belonged in this board. Despite several requests the response I get back is that I write whatever a provider tells me to write. I may not share everything but a liar I am not. Sorry guys but my job isn't to land you a great provider but lose mine in the process. See them or don't, it's pretty simple.
If you want to end all this BS altogether, support the legalization of the sex industry. These are real workers who should be able to openly advertise services and rates without fear of retaliation. No more passwords. Constant testing for safety. It won't completely end the pimp / handler aspect but it'll put it on an island you won't ever have to visit again unless that's your thing, then godspeed to you.
Isn't odd that the one that started this shit in first place is oddly quiet, f'er gets called out and waits for others to battle for him, as it was mentioned about good providers not needing his blessing and doing fine is cause they probably refuse to see him, I'm guessing, anyway great debate, he will continue to take advantage of those addicted, and feel he is the man.
[QUOTE=JMaul;5616253]We talkin passwords again? But I mostly agree, don't pretend this lady owes you or you own her. Is love possible in the hobby? Sure, look no further than Riley. Someone snatched her up and she's retired. Good for him / her, I hope they're happy. She probably delivered more monger smiles than anyone else in GR. She didn't need passwords either. Don't you find it odd that one of the nicest, most affordable and sexually energized ladies in the hobby didn't need a password "for her safety?" Funny too that I don't recall a single review from a certain senior poster on Riley that loves passwords. She's was known for a phenomenal BBBJWS too.
I do think some discretion should be used in posts, just a personal thing and not trying to cast negative light on people sharing info. There are times where posters have listed a service or rate that comes back to burn them. A provider won't see them any more or takes heat for posting too much. Some ladies even request you don't post at all. My rule of thumb is that if I think there's reasons stay away, I'm sounding the alarm. If I want to see them again, I share info stating why. If you find my reviews lacking info, it's because I value some of the discretion between the provider and me. It's not my job to tell you exactly what you can get because I haven't a clue who you are and while we are helping call out the good and bad I'm not risking my future sessions for some asshat who thinks he deserves the same.
Maybe I've been doing it all wrong, deservedly I was put on moderation a while back for posting something that ultimately belonged in this board. Despite several requests the response I get back is that I write whatever a provider tells me to write. I may not share everything but a liar I am not. Sorry guys but my job isn't to land you a great provider but lose mine in the process. See them or don't, it's pretty simple.
If you want to end all this BS altogether, support the legalization of the sex industry. These are real workers who should be able to openly advertise services and rates without fear of retaliation. No more passwords. Constant testing for safety. It won't completely end the pimp / handler aspect but it'll put it on an island you won't ever have to visit again unless that's your thing, then godspeed to you.[/QUOTE]Why leave a lengthy verbose review at all if it's just to say she was great with no information regarding rates or services (a decent review would at the very least include both imo)? It seems to me that guys that leave these long reviews that read like advertisements are also doing that for their own benefit, to curry favor with their "special" WG.
[QUOTE=Blackfire;5616630]Why leave a lengthy verbose review at all if it's just to say she was great with no information regarding rates or services (a decent review would at the very least include both imo)? It seems to me that guys that leave these long reviews that read like advertisements are also doing that for their own benefit, to curry favor with their "special" WG.[/QUOTE]I find myself in unusual agreement with Blackfire LOL. Pws are bad. Got it. Half the board seems to agree on that. But leaving a review that tells basically nothing is more or less an ad. Is it for a favor? Hunter posts here so I guess they have to tread lightly to stay on her good side. So much for adhering to A1's intent of this forum you all claim is paramount.
[QUOTE=Monger01;5617022]I find myself in unusual agreement with Blackfire LOL. Pws are bad. Got it. Half the board seems to agree on that. But leaving a review that tells basically nothing is more or less an ad. Is it for a favor? Hunter posts here so I guess they have to tread lightly to stay on her good side. So much for adhering to A1's intent of this forum you all claim is paramount.[/QUOTE]You seem to have focused your comment on Hunter, I guess predictably so since there seems to be a bit of an effort to discredit her and any of her supporters by the supporters of Benz and the password method of marketing. I didn't intend my comment at any or either group, the massage section is rampant with the "advertisement without information" from a variety of posters. And the board king is very vocal that I and others shouldn't ask additional questions. I'm not sure if that's his attempt to discredit my fake name because I'm also vocal about opposition to the pimping, or just a general effort to try to get the board to become sheeple.
[QUOTE=Blackfire;5617343]You seem to have focused your comment on Hunter, I guess predictably so since there seems to be a bit of an effort to discredit her and any of her supporters by the supporters of Benz and the password method of marketing. I didn't intend my comment at any or either group, the massage section is rampant with the "advertisement without information" from a variety of posters. And the board king is very vocal that I and others shouldn't ask additional questions. I'm not sure if that's his attempt to discredit my fake name because I'm also vocal about opposition to the pimping, or just a general effort to try to get the board to become sheeple.[/QUOTE]And you predictably deflect after realizing your point happened to reflect on a provider who hates Benz. Touche.
The reviews are recent and vague. When just posting a followup review on someone reviewed often I get it. No need for great detail every time you see a girl again. I also pointed out the obvious self-review by Mel. Sometimes facts just are what they are Blackfire. And yes, I like to point out hypocrisy. Which is what I did below.
With all the back and forth on passwords, I believe it's time to focus on the fundamentals of this board.
1. Reviews. We need reviews of providers seen, even if they have numerous reviews already. It keeps us all informed on the current state of the hobby. And it fulfills the mission statement of the board. Sharing intel about sex.
2. New talent. This is an area that is also vital and very much appreciated. And we have good examples of that from both sides of this current issue.
3. Safety warnings. We all need to know LE concerns and robbery concerns. Once again, both sides of this password issue have provided us all good warnings.
What we don't need is also in evidence in this current topic. Asshats that don't ever provide a review, but love to post about drama, like a woman. I find it disturbing that two dudes here who never provide reviews or new talent or valid safety concerns have been given so much run on this topic, especially when they simply hate on Benz. They should be ignored. They add nothing to this board and should just stay home and watch The Bachelor.
So. Stop pissing and moaning about passwords and get out there and conquer and pay for some sex! And leave a damn review. Me. I'm going to see Lauren and enjoy some boob therapy. I suggest all of us do similar, and Backfire. Shut up until you actually leave a review! Seriously man why can't you leave a review?
Ok. I'm going for my morning boob therapy.
G2.
[QUOTE=Gene2;5618209]With all the back and forth on passwords, I believe it's time to focus on the fundamentals of this board.
1. Reviews. We need reviews of providers seen, even if they have numerous reviews already. It keeps us all informed on the current state of the hobby. And it fulfills the mission statement of the board. Sharing intel about sex.
2. New talent. This is an area that is also vital and very much appreciated. And we have good examples of that from both sides of this current issue.
3. Safety warnings. We all need to know LE concerns and robbery concerns. Once again, both sides of this password issue have provided us all good warnings.
What we don't need is also in evidence in this current topic. Asshats that don't ever provide a review, but love to post about drama, like a woman. I find it disturbing that two dudes here who never provide reviews or new talent or valid safety concerns have been given so much run on this topic, especially when they simply hate on Benz. They should be ignored. They add nothing to this board and should just stay home and watch The Bachelor..[/QUOTE]Gene, you are the best. Never read a more informative review than those that you write!
I don't believe reviews are required by the moderator of this site, but maybe you can check with him and seek to have everyone redacted who has not written a review. But for the record, I don't bother to respond to your and others disinformation much, but I've written at least 3 reviews since the beginning of the year. And never called another member a liar for posting their review, can you say the same?
[QUOTE=Rome123;5612858]Looks like they're no longer friends and now we all know why.[/QUOTE]This has been interesting.
The truth be known, I rejected Miss Hunters request originally to help her be a UTR provider.
She joined usasexguide to reach out to me because her friend Munchie51 told her I might be able to help her.
If you don't believe me, go ask Munchie51
I told Miss Hunter, I'm really not interested because I don't know you and you have a friend that's a member of usasexguide. Munchie51 can do what I've been doing. I'll train him to help you.
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Munchie51 Munchie51 is offline
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Hunter in Ada
Hunter has decided to go UTR, wants to be selective on new clients.
I had a wonderful dream with her this morning, lots of good intelligent conversation, touching and plenty of oral by both of us. IMO She really is a great and very pretty gal, you won't be disappointed.
Now that she is UTR PM me for digets and password to see her.
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After some effort from Munchie51 Miss Hunter felt she needed more help and asked me again.
I said we have to meet before I can help anyone.
I told Miss Hunter I'll bring my massage table and give you a free one hour massage. No poking or prodding, a professional massage that will put you to sleep. I told her I have references from other providers, I suggested she call the to know I'm not a scam trying to get her naked.
During our 1 hour meeting we got to know each other well. We didn't agree on politics so we won't mention them.
I noticed a lot of tension that had to be rubbed out of her legs, that part of the massage took over a half hour. I asked why the tension and ripples in her muscles. (Can't be seen, you have to massage the legs to feel the ripples) she told me it was from standing in high heels while pegging your mongers asses. That's not for me, LOL.
After her free one hour massage, she asked what do I owe you for your hour? I said nothing, this was free for a new friend. She insisted and asked what would I like. Of course I told her a BBBJCIM. She eagerly went to work. She gives great head and she told me she loved the massage and we should do this once a week. That continued up until the pandemic shut down and we had a shelter in place order from the governor.
During the pandemic, she acquired a sugar daddy but he wasn't filling all her needs, she asked for my help again. She must have had faith in my help, if she asked again.
Her biggest problem with the new SD was that he was very aware of usasexguide and watched the board frequently. She needed a new name.
I chose Katniss and used the password Quiver. She told me to make sure a certain Senior Member of the Cyber Ninja Jerk Off Squad didn't get the info because he knew her SD personally. I won't reveal his real name now because I have much more integrity than Ms Hunter. If any of you Cyber Ninja Jerk Offs want his hobby name, I'll post it later if their is a majority of Cyber Ninja Circle Jerkers that request it. Miss Hunter is apparently pissed off. I can only guess that one of you Cyber Ninja Circle Jerkers spread her password to the wrong person.
I make this assumption because she is back to advertising as Miss Hunter, that tells me the SD is long gone and she's obviously pissed.
As many of you know I've helped a few girls that struggle to start and it doesn't always pan out, some aren't any good at it and others get SD or BF for awhile. I've given a girl a ride and she offers me a BJ for my time and a pack of cigarettes. Shit like that happens in the real world and this hobby.
I just like to help and there doesn't have to be a reason or trade.
The best help I ever gave a provider was doing the Back Page shut down or just before they shut down. I provider I knew well couldn't advertise without Bitcoin. She needed a checking account and a Bitcoin wallet.
Ok so I opened a new account and bought a bunch of Bitcoin to help her post. She was extremely grateful. After BP shut down completely, I was wondering WTF am I going to do with all this Bitcoin I bought. You never know what type of return you'll get just for being nice.
Now that I'm in early retirement from my Bitcoin collection, I don't need my green massage table back from Miss Hunter. She can have it. I have enough money to buy more, I have never given her a cent and never will. We traded massage for BBBJCIM.
I also never gave her any information about myself, glad I didn't or she would be exposing that for everyone to see with all her lies.
Monger warning, you could be next. If you give Miss Hunter any personal info your real life will be at risk.
I know a lot about her, I have too much integrity to reveal anything now. I hope she doesn't change my mind.
You guys sound like the conspiracy theorist on FoxSnooze. Cyber Ninja Circle Jerkers.
Lying around pissing and moaning all over yourselves.
You should ask yourself, would I share Information with idiots in the cyber Ninja Circle Jerk Squad?
The answer would be No.
Unless you have something of value to contribute to the team. Go suck your self and quit asking for more information from those that work hard to get it.
I posted the 12 steps to taking one for the team hoping you would get of your asses and produce something other than conspiracy theories from the Cyber Ninja Circle Jerkers.
Here it is again, hopefully you'll all grow a pair and TOFTT.
Take One For The Team Guidelines (update # 4).
Step 1 : Find a girl you like, google her number search pics on Google Image
1. A Search her number on Facebook. / It would wise to have a hobby (fake) FB page before searching.
Step 2 : Monitor the ad for at least 3 days, a sting from LE or Robbery set ups usually don't post for more than two days.
Step 3 : Let the usasexguide members know of your findings from google and ask if anyone has knowledge and you plan on TOFTT.
Step 4 : Buy a hobby phone, Do not use your real name for registration or to the provider.
Step 5 : Contact her on a slow day, for quicker response and better negotiations text or call on Tuesday or Wednesday. They get so many calls on a Friday they might lose your message.
A: Original contact should be a short stay or Hhr, to reduce the risk of an expensive bad date.
B: If her incall is a house address enter it into Google Street view to see the house and neighborhood.
If she gives you a location like 3 mile and Alpine, 28th street hotels between Division and 131, RRI, Knights INN on 28th. Tell her you won't go to those hotels and opt a for car date.
C: Save any negotiation for the end of the call or even your second contact. (a car date is 40 or less).
D: don't wear any loud clothing, blend in.
Step 6 : Never park in her driveway or the hotel parking lot. Park in the street or at a nearby business and walk. Example; if you go to motel 6 on 28th park in the restaurant lot.
Step 7 : Leave all valuables and drivers license at home or in the vehicle. Only take in the money you plan to spend.
Step 8 :Inform her if you are going to be late. If you're arriving early, contact the provider from a gas station a block away, so you and your vehicle do not raise suspicion. While waiting for her response, go in the bathroom and wash your balls while you wait.(providers biggest complaint is Hygiene). Contact her to say you are here. Do not go to any shady houses, just drive by and text her to let her know you will not be coming in her mouth tonight.
A: If you're at a house, have her meet you on the porch.
B: If the Hotel has a side door use it. If you have to walk by the front desk act like you live there, don't ask directions.
Step 9 : Knock on door. If the girl matches the pic stay, if not walk out and report back to USA that the pic doesn't match the girl.
Step 10: Check every room for safety.
Step 11 : Tell her you have the money and maybe show it to her but do not give up the cash until after you receive the services you negotiated for.
Step 12: Report back to USA in full detail including Looks, Smells & Cleanliness (of incall and provider), Attitude and Service.
12 A: Include a link to the providers advertisement so we know who you are reviewing.
These are some steps you should take before you TOFTT. Please add to the list if you see anything I missed.
Just trying to help.
Fellow Monger Benz1
And here comes the deflect b / s hopefully this wonderful provider responds, I've seen her and she is a great provider and person, the funniest part of his novel that he rebutted is he "helps" he is a user of addicted people period! When someone is down on luck he "helps" for his benefit do your old ass a favor and stfu, rename urself and start over d / b.
[QUOTE=DjBiker;5619108]And here comes the deflect b / s hopefully this wonderful provider responds, I've seen her and she is a great provider and person, the funniest part of his novel that he rebutted is he "helps" he is a user of addicted people period! When someone is down on luck he "helps" for his benefit do your old ass a favor and stfu, rename urself and start over d / b.[/QUOTE]Thank you DJBiker for your kind words, and I am not going to stoop to Mr. Broken Dicks level. I already know that any guys that have seen me can attest to my upmost of professionalism and discretion as my years of doing this has shown. I can go through all 120 of my posts that reference me and I see maybe 1 or 2 negative comments and even Mr. BD attests to my security procedures and photo requirements. Once again I appreciate all the kind words that have been sent via PM and on the board in regards to me speaking out finally. I am not going to say anymore at this time publicly but if anyone wants to PM me. I know I am just going to be attacked and stalked further by certain haters.
XOXO.
Hunter.
[QUOTE=Benz1;5618999]This has been interesting.
The truth be known, I rejected Miss Hunters request originally to help her be a UTR provider.
She joined usasexguide to reach out to me because her friend Munchie51 told her I might be able to help her.
If you don't believe me, go ask Munchie51
I told Miss Hunter, I'm really not interested because I don't know you and you have a friend that's a member of usasexguide. Munchie51 can do what I've been doing. I'll train him to help you.
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Munchie51 Munchie51 is offline
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Posts: 42
Hunter in Ada
Hunter has decided to go UTR, wants to be selective on new clients.
I had a wonderful dream with her this morning, lots of good intelligent conversation, touching and plenty of oral by both of us. IMO She really is a great and very pretty gal, you won't be disappointed.
Now that she is UTR PM me for digets and password to see her.
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After some effort from Munchie51 Miss Hunter felt she needed more help and asked me again.
I said we have to meet before I can help anyone.[/QUOTE]You should write for penthouse form, lmao damn you must be one good looking MF'er, doubt it, be honest, she is not in your league, you handle 20 $ streetwalkers. She isn't. FU.
Guess what? We're not talking about passwords today LOL. Other than they're stupid as hell lmfao.
I got my popcorn ready and I have to admit that my words used in this specific forum are doing it a disservice. Pugilistic is to fight about shit, throw punches and say whatever you want no filter so that the rest of the forums can be preserved. It seem my efforts a little too kind or hopeful in nature, so the gloves come off.
I saw a recent post using the word extortion. We should all care about that, and I would argue that fuckers who throw that word around loosely or in reference to an individual with no proof or based on jealousy has serious ramifications.
I have to agree with DJbiker or moped or whatever you call him that what you've witnessed in this forum is aggressive attempts to deflect or divert your attention away from the real problem. So I'll address him directly.
Mr Benz:
I'm sorry your cage is getting rattled. The truth hurts doesn't it? Actually I'm not sorry. I've spent the last few years on this board thinking that you're a giant asshat but that somehow the contributions you bring to the board outweigh the bad. Or at least enough to stay away from addressing you gloves off. However, the more I learn about your tactics with women from themselves directly has made me question why I would be part of a forum that lets people like you control whatever narrative you want.
In case you were wondering, this is not about Miss Hunter only. I cannot tell you how many women have been manipulated by you in this industry all for what you've deemed "the good of the team. " Personally I think it's bullshit. You have no idea how many appointments I've booked with someone just because they know I want nothing to do with you. It's like a reverse password effect lmfao.
I would like to end my remarks to you on an even more serious note, this time with maybe gloves on: I really do wish you could stop doing this. Please. Pick your battles dude. You aren't winning this one. Be a better person dammit. We are talking about the safety and sanity of real people and while they are just a mouth, tits, ass and pussy to you and some others, they're fucking human beings who shouldn't have to be scared, looking over the shoulder constantly, changing their number or even moving. Grow the fuck up.
And now back to the rest of the audience:
Interesting fact for those still reading. If you have a problem with Miss Hunter's verification process, blame Benz and others like him. They fuck it up for the rest of us. I know several women who are legitimately concerned for their discretion and safety because certain people take it too far. It's not Benz completely, Jesus fucking Christ some of you are real winners. Believe me or not, I don't care. I'm just sick and tired of this, it's not the name calling or fighting but the obvious and egregious things going on that doesn't get brought into light. Fucking sick stuff.
I'm taking a break from posting reviews of people effective immediately. I intend to return, but I'm not going to spend time and energy to write honest reviews about people that I think you should see for yourself when you immediately talk shit about not writing it like a graphic novel that your wives and girlfriends read when you can't deliver. Obviously this isn't meant to all of you, just venting. But seriously, if you want to read porn go to Reddit, there's plenty of subs there for that.
I do truly hope you all stay safe. Clearly some legit providers out there don't feel that way.
[QUOTE=Benz1;5618999]This has been interesting.
The truth be known, I rejected Miss Hunters request originally to help her be a UTR provider.[/QUOTE]Do us all a favor and just go away. I can't believe anyone cares what you have to say anymore.
How much Bitcoin for a 1 hour massage on the green massage table?