News and Media Reports

These are cases we usually never notice, because we don't pay attention on a more broad horizon when it comes to news.

July 2013 . [URL]http://www.myfoxtwincities.com/story/22924547/49-ags-petition-to-let-states-prosecute-off-backpagecom[/URL].

It has been ongoing for years.

Sept 2011 . [URL]http://www.examiner.com/article/backpage-com-continues-to-advertise-child-prostitution-solicitations[/URL].

Let's not forget what happened with the Orlando Weekly.

My point was, these things CAN and HAVE happened. It goes on, and some of us simply don't pay attention to the news that isn't on the front page. More than one media outlet exists, and I bet if you put a few random words regarding the topic into google, you just may learn something.

The law of supply and demand cannot be repealed. I don't care how many AG's try to get BP to "shut down".- the demand is far too great and BP only facilitates the supply.

On that note, don't we all agree that the donations asked for and given to SP's is a direct reflection of this #1 law of economics? And if the AG's did successfully get BP to shut down the adult services part of their site, how long until the replacement is in place and working? That is what happened with CL. CL shut down in September 2010 and within a month BP had an increase in advertisers equivalent to half of all the CL revenue. The rest went to other sites. That is significant because it just goes to show that the advertising dollars will go somewhere.- but it didn't all go to BP. So, the AG's had it all in one place with CL. Now it is scattered. If they get BP to shut down the ad dollars will go somewhere else, probably more broad that even now. If what they want to do is end child trafficing (a noble cause) their strategy is really flawed.

Hey, we will find the SP's.- we got along just fine before CL and BP and we will get along fine after it, assuming it eventually either shuts down or makes it harder to find what we need.

Then, back to the whole supply and demand law that cannot be repealed. It is a natural law like gravity.- you cannot repeal that law, either. There is a reason SW donations are significantly lower and that those on BP are higher. If you go to some other sites that will remain nameless in this writing the donation goes up and up. I love the comment by Barbara Bush, one fine first lady, when commenting on the Monica Lewinski mess, "Clinton lied. A man might forget where he parks or lives, but he never forgets oral sex, no matter how bad it is." Yeah. I have had some pretty bad BJ's for not much coin, but a BJ is a BJ. Supply and demand. Of course, I have had some fairly bad service from supposedly really good SP's.- live and learn, and I am a quick study, I did not repeat and chose to share the experience through reviews.

Oh, yeah, reviews. That's it. The ultimate tool in the whole supply and demand economic law thing. We have a bad experience and we share. And it only takes a couple of bad reviews and a SP can't draw flies.- donation requests goes down. Good review? Donation requests goes up. Simple economics.

Just one man's opinion.

C3.

[QUOTE=JustJenna;1961056]These are cases we usually never notice, because we don't pay attention on a more broad horizon when it comes to news.

July 2013 . [URL]http://www.myfoxtwincities.com/story/22924547/49-ags-petition-to-let-states-prosecute-off-backpagecom[/URL].

It has been ongoing for years.

Sept 2011 . [URL]http://www.examiner.com/article/backpage-com-continues-to-advertise-child-prostitution-solicitations[/URL].

Let's not forget what happened with the Orlando Weekly.

My point was, these things CAN and HAVE happened. It goes on, and some of us simply don't pay attention to the news that isn't on the front page. More than one media outlet exists, and I bet if you put a few random words regarding the topic into google, you just may learn something.[/QUOTE]

Sex Slaves: Florida is on right now covering one of Grady Judd's stings in Polk County. That guy sure loves the camera!

[QUOTE=JustJenna;1958838]This is where you may just be wrong. Everyone remembers what happened to the Erotic services section of CL after some heat from a few Attorney General's?? Do you honestly think Pam Bondi would ignore Grady's quest with her vow to end human trafficking? She already sent a letter to BP exec's back in 2011. It took years for CL to come down. Bad news for you BP lovers, it will happen sooner or later.[/QUOTE]Grady said during his last sting, they are unable to shut down BP, due to some loop hole in the law and the way BP does business. But he added they are trying to close the loop hole.

Never forget, in all but one county in Florida, the sheriff is an elected office. Everything a sheriff does is designed so he can get re. Elected. If the good people of Polk County cared that he spent thousands to "rescue" one girl (and they still haven't said she was a victim of trafficking or just another kid with a part time job), then they can vote him out.

On the other hand, a quick look at state crime stats shows violent crime is down 25% and non. Violent crime is down 20% under his watch. That's not a bad thing.

The moral is, don't answer a BP ad for an under age hooker that lives in Polk County -- or, better yet, please do answer that ad so someone gets you the help you need.

Just sayin'.

C3.

[QUOTE=Polkeyes;1966989]Grady said during his last sting, they are unable to shut down BP, due to some loop hole in the law and the way BP does business. But he added they are trying to close the loop hole.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Quietus;1966807]Sex Slaves: Florida is on right now covering one of Grady Judd's stings in Polk County. That guy sure loves the camera![/QUOTE]I clearly heard one of the female decoys tell a client on the phone what her rates were. I always thought that by doing that, it would be entrapment. Apparently, I'm wrong.

I will be very happy to tell you why: according to our Constitution, we have the right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. That last phrase is the key one here.

All of our lives we are taught that we should find a mate and copulate. This has been ingrained into our basic life structure since cave men times. All during school, growing up, college, etc. We are always told that we are supposed to find a member of the opposite sex, fall in love, and mate. Religion tell us this. Hell, the government pretty much confirms this by giving out tax breaks to married people!

90% of every song ever written is about the opposite sex, love, having sex, girl of a lifetime, etc. Most books written have sex as its main theme. Movies galore are about love and sex. Almost every single advertisement ever made has sex, attracting the opposite sex, or love as it's theme. It's as American as apple pie.

So, what about people that are not able to achieve this perceived norm that everyone touts to us? Let's examine this: what about people that are crippled, handicapped, have MS, Parkinson's disease, have deformities, midgets, are socially inept, have insecurities, are not comfortable around the opposite sex, or are just plain butt fucking ugly. What about them?

I know for an absolute fact that there are wonderful providers right here in town that have clients that suffer from what I have described above. These giving women allow these men to have some chance to feel good about themselves, to touch and hold a woman, to talk to a woman, and above all, to actually have sex with a woman.

My point is this: the constitution itself states that ALL Americans are ENTITLED to the rights of life, liberty, and the PURSUIT OF HAPPINESS! Are the individuals that I described above supposed to be exempt from these basic rights? Apparantly so, according to the barbaric, antiquated, anti. Prostitution laws of this country. Think about it, some guy that has been cursed with the horrors of Parkinson's disease is also cursed with the inability to ever feel a woman in his arms again. An individual that was born deformed, maybe without an arm or a mutilated face, is not only cursed with that problem but is also forbidden to ever have sex with a woman. After all, no woman would ever want to touch him unless she was a paid escort. How many times have you seen an individual and looked at him with pity because of his physical appearance. You think, "that poor bastard, you know he can never get laid." You are correct in that statement because of our stupid fucking anti-Prostitution laws in this country. This individual is either cursed with never touching a woman or risking being arrested for the cardinal sin of actually wanting to be with a woman.

Did you know that in the brothels of Nevada, the workers there are required to service ANY man that comes into the establishment? They just might have something there.

My point is simple: we, as Americans, are entitled by our Constitution to the pursuit of happiness. Being with a woman is at the top of that list, especially for someone with the problems that I have mentioned.

I want to make a challenge. Is there any lawyer out there that wants to make a name for himself and challenge the constitutionality of the anti. Prostitution laws? You could make a name for yourself if you took the angle that I have laid out here. Why should a deformed, crippled or sick person be condemned to never, ever, be with a member of the opposite sex just because of these stupid, ridiculous anti-Prostitution laws?

Any takers?

[QUOTE=Vino7373;1971463]I will be very happy to tell you why: according to our Constitution, we have the right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. That last phrase is the key one here.[/quote]I find your comments to be very well thought out and expertly expressed. Good job! I believe your premise is taken from the Declaration of Independence, not the US Constitution.

[QUOTE=Vino7373;1971463]I will be very happy to tell you why: according to our Constitution, we have the right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. That last phrase is the key one here.

All of our lives we are taught that we should find a mate and copulate. This has been ingrained into our basic life structure since cave men times. All during school, growing up, college, etc. We are always told that we are supposed to find a member of the opposite sex, fall in love, and mate. Religion tell us this. Hell, the government pretty much confirms this by giving out tax breaks to married people!

90% of every song ever written is about the opposite sex, love, having sex, girl of a lifetime, etc. Most books written have sex as its main theme. Movies galore are about love and sex. Almost every single advertisement ever made has sex, attracting the opposite sex, or love as it's theme. It's as American as apple pie.

So, what about people that are not able to achieve this perceived norm that everyone touts to us? Let's examine this: what about people that are crippled, handicapped, have MS, Parkinson's disease, have deformities, midgets, are socially inept, have insecurities, are not comfortable around the opposite sex, or are just plain butt fucking ugly. What about them?

I know for an absolute fact that there are wonderful providers right here in town that have clients that suffer from what I have described above. These giving women allow these men to have some chance to feel good about themselves, to touch and hold a woman, to talk to a woman, and above all, to actually have sex with a woman.

My point is this: the constitution itself states that ALL Americans are ENTITLED to the rights of life, liberty, and the PURSUIT OF HAPPINESS! Are the individuals that I described above supposed to be exempt from these basic rights? Apparantly so, according to the barbaric, antiquated, anti. Prostitution laws of this country. Think about it, some guy that has been cursed with the horrors of Parkinson's disease is also cursed with the inability to ever feel a woman in his arms again. An individual that was born deformed, maybe without an arm or a mutilated face, is not only cursed with that problem but is also forbidden to ever have sex with a woman. After all, no woman would ever want to touch him unless she was a paid escort. How many times have you seen an individual and looked at him with pity because of his physical appearance. You think, "that poor bastard, you know he can never get laid." You are correct in that statement because of our stupid fucking anti-Prostitution laws in this country. This individual is either cursed with never touching a woman or risking being arrested for the cardinal sin of actually wanting to be with a woman.

Did you know that in the brothels of Nevada, the workers there are required to service ANY man that comes into the establishment? They just might have something there.

My point is simple: we, as Americans, are entitled by our Constitution to the pursuit of happiness. Being with a woman is at the top of that list, especially for someone with the problems that I have mentioned.

I want to make a challenge. Is there any lawyer out there that wants to make a name for himself and challenge the constitutionality of the anti. Prostitution laws? You could make a name for yourself if you took the angle that I have laid out here. Why should a deformed, crippled or sick person be condemned to never, ever, be with a member of the opposite sex just because of these stupid, ridiculous anti-Prostitution laws?

Any takers?[/QUOTE]While the words "Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness" are great words, they are not in the Constitution, they are in The Declaration of Independence. While it is considered a founding document, it's standing as law is shaky at best. More can be found here: [URL]http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/Declaration[/URL]+of+independence.

One part that stands out to me in this article:

"Although the Declaration of Independence stands with the Constitution as a founding document of the United States of America, its position in USA Law is much less certain than that of the Constitution. The Declaration has been recognized as the founding act of law establishing the United States as a sovereign and independent nation, and Congress has placed it at the beginning of the USA Code, under the heading "The Organic Laws of the United States of America." The Supreme Court, however, has generally not considered it a part of the organic law of the country. For example, although the Declaration mentions a right to rebellion, this right, particularly with regard to violent rebellion, has not been recognized by the Supreme Court and other branches of the federal government. The most notable failure to uphold this right occurred when the Union put down the rebellion by the Southern Confederacy in the Civil War.".

With this in mind, I am not sure that a fight to legalize prostitution based on this would have a shot. The Canadian cases was based on similar words, but they are in the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms of 1982, and therefore based in law.

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[QUOTE=PeterPiper52;1968148]I clearly heard one of the female decoys tell a client on the phone what her rates were. I always thought that by doing that, it would be entrapment. Apparently, I'm wrong.[/QUOTE]To get the bust. Whether or not it's illegal or entrapment is really irrelevant. This is because 90% of all convictions are plea bargained. Face it, would you rather take your small fine and 6 months of probation, or go to trial hoping to get off on a technicality, looking at going to jail for up to one year.

LEO uses the scare tactic and it works very well for them.

[QUOTE=Camera3;1967958]On the other hand, a quick look at state crime stats shows violent crime is down 25% and non. Violent crime is down 20% under his watch. That's not a bad thing.[/QUOTE]Crime stats like any other statistic can be and are manipulated.

If LE wants to show reported crime is down they just bury, lose or don't report. This would also indicate that the percentage of crimes solved is higher than it actually was.

I have intimate knowledge of LE and intimate knowledge of criminal investigations, neither of which give me any confidence in LE regardless of how hard they pound themselves on the back.

The worst part is the dreaded arrested record that any one can see by googling your name. Clearly having this coming up on a search of your name will scar you for life. Be safe fellas, do you home work and go with your gut. Sometimes just jerking off to relieve yourself can save you a world of problems that will follow you for a very long time.


TQUOTE=Vino 7373;1972645]To get the bust. Whether or not it's illegal or entrapment is really irrelevant. This is because 90% of all convictions are plea bargained. Face it, would you rather take your small fine and 6 months of probation, or go to trial hoping to get off on a technicality, looking at going to jail for up to one year.

LEO uses the scare tactic and it works very well for them.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=ExecTalent;1972701]Crime stats like any other statistic can be and are manipulated.

If LE wants to show reported crime is down they just bury, lose or don't report. This would also indicate that the percentage of crimes solved is higher than it actually was.

I have intimate knowledge of LE and intimate knowledge of criminal investigations, neither of which give me any confidence in LE regardless of how hard they pound themselves on the back.[/QUOTE]Most crime statistics are taken from information gathered by the USA Justice department. If you know how, you can order an foia with specific criteria. Reported crime, arrests, and open cases are just that. These are not indicative of actual criminal activity. Fact is most crime, especially violent crime is at an all time low in this country. However, with a billion news channels, blogs, and a geneal lack of real journalism, it's easy to flood the news with crime stories. 30 years ago, one seldom saw crime reports on the news unless it was a big deal. As far as solving crimes, they are now at only a 40 percent rate of closing out homicide cases.

Anyone hear about the sting at a large hotel by the airport last night? Be safe, and smart.