[QUOTE=Ale2008]Have you guys seen this girl?
Sorry I am new, but it sounds too good to be true.
[url]http://richmond.craigslist.org/ers/637410109.html[/url][/QUOTE]I guess it was. Yours and mine were the same and they've both been flagged!
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[QUOTE=Ale2008]Have you guys seen this girl?
Sorry I am new, but it sounds too good to be true.
[url]http://richmond.craigslist.org/ers/637410109.html[/url][/QUOTE]I guess it was. Yours and mine were the same and they've both been flagged!
[QUOTE=Richmond Guy]I guess it was. Yours and mine were the same and they've both been flagged![/QUOTE]
Just a thought...CL ads are flagged with great regularity. If you want data on someone you really should copy and paste the ad in your post, especially if it has contact information. It could be gone five minutes after you see it on CL.
I was perusing the section on legal stuff and came away confused. For instance, take this post:
"Many of you believe that if a provider tells you she is not LE and she turns out to be LE that you can't be arrested because that is entrapment, because the LE lied to you.
THIS IS NOT TRUE.
Entrapment involves coercing you to do something that you normally wouldn't do.
Example:
You: Hi, I'd like to make an appointment to see you. Are you a cop?
Her: No. It's 100 roses.
You: I'll be over at six.
Her: Okay.
You show up, you get arrested. No entrapment here.
No matter what either of you says you are going to get arrested if in fact the "provider" is LE because YOU MADE INITIAL CONTACT. "
I always assumed that if you don't mention sex, you can't be arrested. The above situation mentions nothing but making an appointment. I would like comments on this from anyone who really knows.
If you make an appointment and neither of you speak about what you want to do (although, both of you know,) and when you get there you don't say anything but take out the agreed upon amount of money and lay it on the table, can you be arrested?
Although this has never happened, I've always assumed that if a provider begins to speak about specifics, I want to run away as fast as possible. Conversely, if she doesn't and I don't, I have always felt pretty safe.
Help me out here please.
[QUOTE=Richmond Guy]I was perusing the section on legal stuff and came away confused. For instance, take this post:
"Many of you believe that if a provider tells you she is not LE and she turns out to be LE that you can't be arrested because that is entrapment, because the LE lied to you.
THIS IS NOT TRUE.
Entrapment involves coercing you to do something that you normally wouldn't do.
Example:
You: Hi, I'd like to make an appointment to see you. Are you a cop?
Her: No. It's 100 roses.
You: I'll be over at six.
Her: Okay.
You show up, you get arrested. No entrapment here.
No matter what either of you says you are going to get arrested if in fact the "provider" is LE because YOU MADE INITIAL CONTACT. "
I always assumed that if you don't mention sex, you can't be arrested. The above situation mentions nothing but making an appointment. I would like comments on this from anyone who really knows.
If you make an appointment and neither of you speak about what you want to do (although, both of you know,) and when you get there you don't say anything but take out the agreed upon amount of money and lay it on the table, can you be arrested?
Although this has never happened, I've always assumed that if a provider begins to speak about specifics, I want to run away as fast as possible. Conversely, if she doesn't and I don't, I have always felt pretty safe.
Help me out here please.[/QUOTE]I believe you hit the nail on the head. That's how it works!
[QUOTE=Richmond Guy]I was perusing the section on legal stuff and came away confused. For instance, take this post:
"Many of you believe that if a provider tells you she is not LE and she turns out to be LE that you can't be arrested because that is entrapment, because the LE lied to you.
THIS IS NOT TRUE.
Entrapment involves coercing you to do something that you normally wouldn't do.
Example:
You: Hi, I'd like to make an appointment to see you. Are you a cop?
Her: No. It's 100 roses.
You: I'll be over at six.
Her: Okay.
You show up, you get arrested. No entrapment here.
No matter what either of you says you are going to get arrested if in fact the "provider" is LE because YOU MADE INITIAL CONTACT. "
I always assumed that if you don't mention sex, you can't be arrested. The above situation mentions nothing but making an appointment. I would like comments on this from anyone who really knows.
If you make an appointment and neither of you speak about what you want to do (although, both of you know,) and when you get there you don't say anything but take out the agreed upon amount of money and lay it on the table, can you be arrested?
Although this has never happened, I've always assumed that if a provider begins to speak about specifics, I want to run away as fast as possible. Conversely, if she doesn't and I don't, I have always felt pretty safe.
Help me out here please.[/QUOTE]I agree with you, in that if she tells you specific stuff she is probably LE, I think you just have to be calm, quiet, and let her guide you, let her undress first, if anything happends I thought I could just say that I came for a massage or I wanted somebody to come over for a personal masaage. I don't know if this would fly, this was just my plan if anything happends. And I don't do streetwalkers, I think there are too much risk.
You cannot be charged for just showing up unless you specifically stated on the phone (and LE has a recording of it) that you will pay a specific amount of money and she states a sex act that she will perform. Until money either changes hands or, in some jurisdictions, is displayed, nothing illegal has transpired. The key is the offering or exchanging of something of value for an act that is considered sexual. And because solicitation/prostitution is a misdemeanor in almost all jurisdictions, the LEO has to actually witness the offer/exchange, either by being there or via audio/video surveillance/recording, or get a firm confession to the crime after the fact. If they catch you in the middle of actually having sex with a hooker without witnessing the monetary exchange, the cannot charge you with solicitation/prostitution, although they may be able to get you for other things such as lewd behavior, sex in public, etc. or if they can get the hooker to admit that the money she has on her was paid to her by you for sex.
In the specific example below, the offer of money was exchanged, but all he asked for was to see her and no sex act was mentioned, so on that part of it alone, there was no crime - it's not illegal to accept money for your time and company, otherwise every date you took out to dinner would be prostitution (and every attorney in the world would be in jail. :))
What actually constitutes an "exchange of money" varies widely from one jurisdiction to another. In some places, all that has to happen is that the money be displayed, while in others it has to be "offered and accepted", and in still others it must pass from "hand to palm". This is why a lot of escorts have the policy of having you put the money in an envelope before you arrive and just place the envelope in sight without actually offering it to her - no display, no offer. Does this actually save her from a bust? Almost never... but a good attorney may be able to use it to get her off come her day in court.
This "caught in the act" part is CRITICAL. Except in those rare jurisdictions that have prostitution-cruising or similar laws, a cop can NOT arrest you simply for having a known prostitute in your car or in your company, because they did not witness an exchange of money for sex. If you keep your head on your shoulders AND YOUR MOUTH SHUT - refuse to answer any questions you aren't legally required to answer, and don't volunteer ANY information the cops can use against you - then the cops have nothing. You have to remember that the cops are highly trained at the psychology of getting you to open your mouth and give them a confession... without that confession, all they can do is hassle you and eventually let you go. (Unless you're stoopid enuf to be out cruising the stroll with something bad in your ride that the cops will find...)
The 5th Amendment guarantees your right to not incriminate yourself, but it does not protect you from being stupid and it doesn't prevent the cops from attempting to get you to incriminate yourself! The attorneys I have talked to about this all say pretty much the same thing: if the cop asks you ANY question beyond those things you are required by law to answer (basically, you name & address), your response should be, "Am I under arrest?" If he says yes, you must then plainly state your refusal to answer any questions without your attorney present, and keep stating that refusal as your response to ANY question he asks no matter how threatening or how "friendly" he is or what sort of "You're in trouble here, but if you come clean with me now, it'll go easier on you" bullshit he spins. If, on the other hand, he tells you that no, you're not under arrest but you need to answer some questions, your response must be, "My 5th Amendment rights allow me to refuse to answer any questions. Am I free to go?" You MUST keep alternating those two questions: "Am I under arrest? Am I free to go?" as your ONLY response to any question or statement he makes. The general rule is that if he continues to detain you after you have been told that you are not under arrest when you repeatedly ask if you are free to go, then you can reasonably assume that you are under arrest and can therefore stand on your Miranda rights.
Of course, the cops know all this too, and that's why they always separate the john and the hooker and question them independently - the odds are that one or the other will succumb to their fears and roll over, giving the cops the confession they need. And if both are smart, it pisses the cops off enough that they will hassle the hell out of you... but as long as you don't confess to something, they can't bust you.
Related point: NEVER agree to any search of your vehicle or person, regardless of how friendly or reasonable the cop seems or how casually he asks. Again, the only acceptable (for you) responses are, "Am I under arrest? Am I free to go?"
Be polite, but be firm - don't be threatening in any way, but be matter-of-fact and direct. And DON'T GIVE THEM ANYTHING TO HANG YOU WITH!!!
[QUOTE=HazlEyes]You cannot be charged for just showing up unless you specifically stated on the phone (and LE has a recording of it) that you will pay a specific amount of money and she states a sex act that she will perform. Until money either changes hands or, in some jurisdictions, is displayed, nothing illegal has transpired. The key is the offering or exchanging of something of value for an act that is considered sexual. And because solicitation/prostitution is a misdemeanor in almost all jurisdictions, the LEO has to actually witness the offer/exchange, either by being there or via audio/video surveillance/recording, or get a firm confession to the crime after the fact. If they catch you in the act with a hooker without witnessing the monetary exchange, the cannot charge you with solicitation/prostitution, although they may be able to get you for other things such as lewd behavior, sex in public, etc.
This "caught in the act" part is CRITICAL. Except in those rare jurisdictions that have prostitution-cruising or similar laws, a cop can NOT arrest you simply for having a known prostitute in your car, because they did not witness an exchange of money for sex. If you keep your head on your shoulders AND YOUR MOUTH SHUT - refuse to answer any questions you aren't legally required to answer, and don't volunteer ANY information the cops can use against you - then the cops have nothing. You have to remember that the cops are highly trained at the psychology of getting you to open your mouth and giving them a confession... without that confession, all they can do hassle you and eventually let you go. (Unless you're stoopid enuf to be out cruising the stroll with something bad in your ride that the cops will find...)
The 5th Amendment guarantees your right to not incriminate yourself, but it does not protect you from being stupid and it doesn't prevent the cops from attempting to get you to incriminate yourself! The attorneys I have talked to about this all say pretty much the same thing: if the cop asks you ANY question beyond those things you are required by law to answer (basically, you name & address), your response should be, "Am I under arrest?" If he says yes, you must then plainly state your refusal to answer any questions without your attorney present, and keep stating that refusal as your response to ANY question he asks no matter how threatening or how "friendly" he is or what sort of "You're in trouble here, but if you come clean with me now, it'll go easier on you" bullshit he spins. If, on the other hand, he tells you that no, you're not under arrest but you need to answer some questions, your response must be, "My 5th Amendment rights allow me to refuse to answer any questions. Am I free to go?" You MUST keep alternating those two questions: "Am I under arrest? Am I free to go?" as your ONLY response to any question or statement he makes. The general rule is that if he continues to detain you after you have been told that you are not under arrest when you repeatedly ask if you are free to go, then you can reasonably assume that you are under arrest and can therefore stand on your Miranda rights.
Of course, the cops know all this too, and that's why they always separate the john and the hooker and question them independently - the odds are that one or the other will succumb to their fears and roll over, giving the cops the confession they need. And if both are smart, it pisses the cops off enough that they will hassle the hell out of you... but as long as you don't confess to something, they can't bust you.
Related point: NEVER agree to any search of your vehicle or person, regardless of how friendly or reasonable the cop seems or how casually he asks. Again, the only acceptable (for you) responses are, "Am I under arrest? Am I free to go?"
Be polite, but be firm - don't be threatening in any way, but be matter-of-fact and direct. And DON'T GIVE THEM ANYTHING TO HANG YOU WITH!!![/QUOTE]Thanks, I feel more confident now
But in the case in point, 100 roses, I'll be over at six, there was no mention of what the roses were for. Now granted, that is an example, but it seems that if this was all of the conversation, no one should have gotten arrested.
Also, is it better for her to ask you for the money? If I walk in the room and she says "That's $150" and I take it out and set it on the table, can I get arrested?
I make it a practice of NEVER discussing what I want to do. After all, does it need discussion?
to the original post that answers your question, I think. :) Also, you're right that no mention of the amount, etc. should be made, but if you're not clear on that, verify it on the phone before you arrive - the cops might be recording the call in which case you're toast, but they might not, in which case it's just hearsay in court.
Have you guys seen this girl, please send me a PM if possible.
[url]http://richmond.craigslist.org/ers/642646483.html[/url]
Have not seen her, but have talked to her. Seems legit. Prices are a little out of line, though (dancers always seem to have an inflated idea of what the trade will bear)
Is she strictly a dancer, or does she provide anything else?
She says she offers escorting services as well as dancing for parties and individuals. What she defines as "escort services" is left as an exercise for the student... :)
great times. BBBJ, various positions, mulitipop hottie. must see while in Richmond.
From now on it's just the sexy girls for me! Missed out on Cathy but I'm sure there'll be more. I'd love to see sexy Amanda or Chrissy again but they must have moved on.