Prostitution and Law Enforcement

[QUOTE=Double Nickle]That is the conundrum that exists when you use legal definitions.

Double Nickle[/QUOTE]While I am not a lawyer, I have glanced over the laws dealing with prostitution and other sex offences (you would be suprised how often such things are lumped together in the legal world, as if buying sex from a consenting adult is the same as child molestation). I have noticed that many of the vice laws contain language something like "any act aimed toward providing sexual gratification". The purpose of such language is to take away all the what is and what isn't sex arguments without having to list every single act that could possibly fall in the category or for that matter allow a sympathetic jury room to let a guy off because they can't accept buying a handjob as paying for sex. Bottom line the lawyers (prosecutors) use a blanket statement to cover all the bases with plenty of room to twist and bend things to fit their purpose. With this type language if a guy gets off on touching a chicks nose that meets the standard and is considered a sex act and is thus grounds for conviction. Stupid? Yes. Possible? Definately.

[QUOTE=Double Nickle]I am quite disgusted with recent assaults on individual liberties. Police are confiscating condoms and even lingerie to use as evidence in prostitution cases ...

Condomless massage parlors are less safe ...

Law Enforcement would be doing their job of protecting the public better if they gave out condoms rather than using them for evidence ...
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I certainly agree with this post ! Condoms should NOT be used as evidence, or even as a point of suspicion. IF THE POLICE VALUE PUBLIC SAFETY THEY SHOULD AT LEAST IGNORE CONDOMS. I hope some of them read this.

I was pulled over once by police (probable cause: white guy with nice car in the 'hood, I guess, but I didn't ask). They asked if they could search my car; I said ok. The only suspicious item were condoms. This prompted the question: "Were you looking for prostitutes ?". My answer: "No, I am taking those to use with my wife." What idiot would say otherwise ?

I have read that street prostitutes are sometimes busted because they carry condoms. If true, it is a tragic disincentive to do the right thing.

President 'Dubya' is obviously more inner·rested in , say , building power plants
in Iraq that are nowhere near any transmission lines , than he is in , say , rebuilding
New Orleans

... but who would have guessed that he would be responsible for turning Damascus
into a pay-for-play vacation destination ??

Used to be that you'd only go to Syria for a Golf vacation
.... why ?? Because there's 18 holes in every building !!

The skinny =>


[size=3][b]For Syria’s brothels, thank an American[/b][/size]

07:45 AM EDT on Tuesday, August 21, 2007

M. J. ANDERSEN

[font=courier]EVERY EVENING in Damascus, Iraqi women and girls, some barely in
their teens, wait to be chosen by men. Some parade in slow circles;
others dance on stages. Despite a powerful Arab cultural taboo,
some even approach men in the street.

The women are refugees who fled to Syria to escape the war. Often,
their fathers and brothers have been killed. Forbidden by Syrian
law to take Syrian jobs, they have accepted the job of last resort.
No one knows how many Iraqi refugees have turned to prostitution to
survive, in Jordan as well as Syria. But it is thought to be at
least in the thousands.

The Iraqi women show up almost as a footnote in a recent report on
the link between human trafficking and AIDS.

Published in the Aug. 1 Journal of the American Medical
Association, the report mainly tracks the incidence of HIV
infection among Nepalese prostitutes. Working with the State
Department, researchers from Harvard and Boston University studied
nearly 300 girls and women brought home from neighboring India,
where they had been sold into the sex trade.

The younger the girls, researchers found, the higher the risk of
infection. Those forced into prostitution before they turned 15 had
an infection rate of 61 percent, compared with a 38 percent rate
for the group overall.

The cruel irony is that the younger girls are preferred, because
their customers think they are less apt to carry disease. Some also
believe that sex with a virgin cures AIDS. As a result, younger
girls tend to be held in brothels longer, increasing their chance
of infection.

Those who escape are often ostracized by their families and home
villages. Their only alternative is to keep selling themselves.

“Some of them are just shells,” noted Dr. Jay G. Silverman, a
professor at Harvard’s School of Public Health. “It’s absolutely
heartbreaking.”

Human trafficking in India has flourished for decades. But this is
the first time anyone has documented its connection with AIDS. The
same pattern is turning up in southern China and Afghanistan. While
conditions in South Asia are the worst, with an estimated 150,000
women and girls forced into the sex trade annually, it is just a
matter of time before the Iraqi refugee women become part of the
same lethal syndrome.

This was not the script we sought to hand them. Early on, President
Bush added women’s rights to his endlessly growing list of reasons
to invade Afghanistan and Iraq.

“In many Middle Eastern countries,” he noted in a 2003 speech,
“women lack rights and are denied schooling.”

“The future of Muslim nations,” he added, “will be better for all
with the full participation of women.”

At the time of the 9/11 attacks, Afghan women were unquestionably
suffering under the Taliban’s harsh rule. But Iraqi women were, for
the most part, educated and active members of their society. The
U.S. invasion dramatically reduced their status. With Iraq
destabilized, homegrown Muslim fundamentalism flowered, forcing
many women to give up their jobs and to cover themselves lest they
be attacked.

In retrospect, those were the good times.

With more than a million refugees now living in Syria, and few
hopes of employment, the unthinkable has come to mean survival.
Mothers pimp for daughters. Sisters take turns.

One place Iraqi prostitutes cluster, according to a New York Times
report, is along the road to a historic convent where pilgrims look
to the Virgin Mary for miracles. Among the most frequent customers
are groups of Saudi men, who come over for a recreational weekend.
In Syria they can drink and dance. And the Iraqi women come cheap.

President Bush, it seems, cannot do enough for the Saudis, who help
keep us mainlining oil. Only a few weeks ago, he announced plans to
seek a huge arms-sale package for their country, just to keep Iran
from getting ideas. (Iraqi refugees may not benefit, but American
defense contractors will.)

What of it if the Saudis are prolonging the Iraq conflict by
funneling money to Sunni factions? There is even word that some
Saudis are entering Iraq to join the fray. Bush’s policy
preferences mean that, for now, Saudi men, especially, are in
clover.

That Iraq’s refugee women, humiliated and desperate, are trapped in
this sordid circle is bad enough. That they are forced, in the
bargain, to court fatal disease is monstrous.

Last month, a seemingly oblivious House passed a resolution calling
on Japan to apologize for its sexual slavery during World War II.
Japan should of course do so. But we might look better in the eyes
of the world if we looked to our own failings first.

The White House may not have consciously set out to create a new
caste of sex slaves. But that is what it has done — sickeningly,
under the banner of expanding women’s rights. We owe the Iraqi
women more than an apology. We owe them a way out.

M.J. Andersen is a member of The Journal’s editorial board. [/font]


Source = Providence Journal [url]http://*******.com/29baqs[/url]

Hello Mongers

Thanks for the heads up by Dr. Bombay on USASG DC Escort Reports board [url]http://www.usasexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=565850&postcount=470[/url]. Police are now posting phony CL ads and arresting unsuspecting innocent mongers in sting hotel rooms, how dare they. Has LE gotten smart or Mongers dumber? This is a question for senior members.

I usually try to date escorts CL, Eros, TBD that have been reviewed somewhere, but when they look and sound hot, and I am horney and little red takes over the balance of Big Red, Yeah I take one for the team. Big Red took six hits for the team in the last year. When a monger TOFTT with CL it will now have a new level of risk and so deserves a new level of respect and appreciation from all members. Newbie’s want to earn your wings take a CL hit for the team and post.

Jacksonville FL CL sting [url]http://www.jacksonville.com/tu-online/stories/081007/met_190191052.shtml[/url] 33 mongers arrested.

Seattle WA CL sting [url]http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/local/292553_craigslist16.html[/url] 94 mongers arrested.

A way to avoid some problems, see if CL girl will due outcall to your place first time, more complicated and not fool proof.

Little red does think about things besides pussy, like not getting arrested when chasing pussy. Thank you little red

little red and Big Red

Found this on Digg today. LE is really getting carried away with their "gorilla" tactics. Be safe fellas.

CHICAGO --

It was Rocio Palacios who first noticed the woman who appeared to need help.

It was 8 a.m. when she and her husband, Erasmo, dropped their 6-year-old daughter off at school and had picked up their 22-year-old daughter to go out for breakfast when they saw the woman waving her arms at 53rd Street and Kedzie Avenue last November.

The Palacioses, of Chicago, claim the woman approached their car, parked outside Manolo's restaurant, leaned in to the passenger side where Rocio was sitting and asked Erasmo if he wanted oral sex for $20 or sex for $25.

The couple laughed, realizing this wasn’t a woman in distress after all.

But within seconds, Chicago police swarmed the family car, hauling Erasmo Palacios out in handcuffs. He was charged with solicitation of a prostitute

His daughter, who had just run in to exchange her coffee for a hot chocolate, screamed, while his wife cried in fear.

Eight hours later, Palacios, who has no criminal record, was released from custody. And weeks later, charges against him were dropped.

Now, Erasmo Palacios is suing the city and the officers involved in his arrest, saying they violated his civil rights during an incident he described as both frightening and ridiculous.

“I'm so lucky I was with my wife -- imagine if I had to try to tell her and she wasn't with me,” he said, before laughing at the image. “She'd never believe me. Never.”

A Chicago police report offers few details, saying only that it was Erasmo Palacios who asked for sex, never mentioning his wife in the car or his daughter nearby.

Attorneys Lonny Ben Ogus and Joe Cavanaugh also want to know what happened to the family's 1983 Mercedes. It was impounded that November day and, Palacios said, his wife and daughter were even threatened with arrest as they tried to stop police from taking it, as they were left stranded that morning.

The city wants more than $4,700 in towing and storage fees if he wants the car back.

City officials declined to comment on the status of the family's car and the Palacios case, while the undercover female officer involved in the arrest couldn't be reached.

Copyright 2007, Sun-Times News Group

Here's a good example of how the police used the internet to trap a few guys in my hometown. Read carefully, there are many good lessons hiding in this article.

‘Johns’ get stung: Prostitution sting leads to 15 arrests
By LINDA N. WELLER
June 23, 2007 - 10:54PM
ALTON — Police charged an airline pilot, a minister, a church deacon, a Maytag repairman and 15 other people in a recent two-day prostitution sting, with some “johns” setting up dates via the Internet.

In the cyber twist, some of the customers responded to a police posting on Craigslist, a widely used Web site that lists ads and messages by locale.

The men who thought they were responding to the ad of a woman actually were making offers to Pfc. Mike Bazzell of the Alton Police Department, specifying the sex act, price and established time, date and place to meet, he said. Police set up an apartment off East Broadway to use for each planned “rendezvous.”

“We put our ad on there with no pictures, no prices or numbers; we didn’t list anything we would do,” Bazzell said. “We said ‘she’ was new to the site, that she was a white female. It was just posted, and immediately men were e-mailing, asking what she looked like and what sex acts she would perform. They had to make the offer to us first; we never offered anything.”

Bazzell had placed the Web posting under the “erotic” subcategory under “services.” It is replete with pictures of women in lewd poses and thinly veiled offers of dates of specified time length for number of “roses” or “kisses,” which really mean dollars.

Once the men made an offer to pay for a sex act, “We said, ‘Come on over,’” Bazzell said.

While police reports usually show “johns” offer $20 or $25 for a sex act in Alton, the men looking to hook up through the Internet during this “sting” offered $100 or more for any of four acts.

“Internet guys pay a lot of money. Internet prices are a lot higher,” Bazzell said.

The first roundup in Alton was June 1, and the second was Thursday. Both efforts involved Alton police only. With street prostitution more active in the summer, Police Chief Chris Sullivan said authorities would continue the crackdown.

Of the 15 men charged with soliciting, four are from Alton, three from Brighton, two from Missouri and the rest from areas near Alton.

“There is no question these guys are coming from other cities,” Bazzell said. “They come from other areas because they feel a sense of safety out of their environment.”

He said their first response to their arrest is embarrassment.

“They immediately ask what they can do to get out of this,” he said.

All of those charged will get their mug shots and arrest information posted on the Alton Police Department Web site ([url]www.altonpolice.com)[/url].

The arrests had odd twists.

In one instance, police arrested a man who offered money for sex to a female undercover police officer on the street. At first, they believed he was an Internet “customer” coming to his prearranged date. However, the Internet guy called Bazzell to tell him that he had just seen the other man being arrested near the date site and said they should meet at a nearby fast-food restaurant.

The police presence did not deter him, and he was arrested.

The one woman charged with prostitution had her 6- or 7-year-old nephew with her, ostensibly to discourage a customer from harming her, Sullivan said. She walked to the apartment set up by police, bringing body butter and the child.

“She felt a sense of safety having the child with her,” Bazzell said.

She had advertised on Craigslist offering to provide a genital massage for $100, he said.

Most of the men charged with soliciting for a prostitute, a misdemeanor, were driving around the Fifth and Ridge streets area looking for sex, although some were arrested elsewhere.

Three people were charged with obstructing justice, and one was cited with pedestrian in the roadway. They all warned motorists that police were operating in the area.

Bazzell said the arrests and accompanying publicity probably wouldn’t stifle the Alton police’s anti-prostitution efforts on the Internet.

“These guys want to commit these acts, regardless,” he said. “They always have a fear of police and still go through with it. There is no secret that police are monitoring these Web sites, but it’s not deterring them.”

Sullivan said police realize they can’t eliminate prostitution, but they can at least try to curb the activity, because it affects families when the men spend money on the women or bring diseases home. It also usually is tied to other criminal activities — such as drugs and thefts or robberies.

“The reason this is important is that this is an illegal activity, and it also is dangerous,” he said. “It increases traffic; they may or may not be drinking alcohol.”

For neighbors, a woman coming home from work at night or teenage girls standing in their yard have to put up with men “coming by and making lewd offers or hooting at them, which diminishes the quality of their lives,” Sullivan said.

Some residents are working hard with police and the Weed and Seed strategy to fight crime and improve the condition of the areas, including Hellrung Park. Prostitution only hurts their efforts, the chief said.

“This activity needs to cease or go anywhere else,” Sullivan said.

To also keep down street crime, and to acquaint themselves with neighbors, police have resumed foot patrols in areas of high crime and Downtown, where crowds of people eat and drink. Police also reopened the substation at Sixth and Ridge for residents to report problems and hold meetings.

Police also will resume their practice of sending out postcards to motorists who they, or neighbors, notice circling the blocks in three inner-city areas and stopping to talk to women or harassing them.

The postcards, visible for all to read — particularly wives, girlfriends or children who may ask questions after getting the mail — say that police are concerned about the motorist’s safety because “there are high levels of crime present in these areas, often in the form of prostitution and drug dealing.”

First off prostution is legal indoors in Rhode Island.

If you should get pulled over here in rhody just tell the police the truth. 99 percent of the time you will be let go. Don't give them some bullshit story they know what and why you picked her up for. I've been pulled over 3 times in providence I have yet to be arrested by providence police. Yet all 3 times the girl was arrested for warents or unpaid fines. This is just my experiences.

Letter (May 1, 2005)

It comes as no surprise that the Eastside Business Improvement Association is the driving force behind Vancouver's vice-squad initiative to further criminalize johns.

Business associations have long been at odds with street sex-trade workers.

CREDIT: Les Bazso, The Province

Battling prostitution might just mean legalizing it.

There are few voices from the street that can overcome the financial muscle of business.
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However, I believe both business associations and police vice squads have little idea of the repercussions further criminalizing the johns will have.

By jailing the johns, the street sex-trade workers are denied their sole source of income.

This sets the stage for more drug-addicted women to commit more violent crimes.

This proposal removes income but does not eradicate addiction. Like their male counterparts, female addicts will also be sent in larger numbers to prison, with longer sentences.

Taxpayers will end up supporting a larger female prison population.

To remove the only source of income for most female addicts will only result in escalating violence.

The police and businesses have been warned but obviously don't care.

The cost will be extracted, as always, from the desperation of the street sex-trade worker.[/color]

From: [url]www.missingpeople.net/without_johns_prostitutes_are.htm[/url]

Recent study done by a bunch of egg heads in Chicago.

Notice the finding in this report that "Prostitutes are more likely to have sex with a police officer than to be arrested by one.".

[url]http://www.economist.com/finance/economicsfocus/displaystory.cfm?story_id=10533877[/url]

[quote]"Prostitutes are more likely to have sex with a police officer than to be arrested by one."[/quote]In addition to the illuminating quote above, I noted the following:

"Sex workers can expect to be violently assaulted once a month."

"Illegality and lack of regulation are likely to heighten public-health risks."

It seems that many laws have unintended consequences that short-sighted legislators and so-called "morality" groups fail to foresee or understand.

This is from [url]Officer.Com[/url] , a web site I like to check from time to time.

[quote]Indiana Officer Allegedly Helped Run Prostitution Ring

Posted: Thursday, July 3, 2008

Story by theindychannel.com

GREENWOOD, Ind. --

An Indianapolis Metro police officer is accused of helping his wife operate an escort business out of her Greenwood home.

The officer, his wife and a former Marion County Sheriff's Department employee were charged Wednesday in the prostitution ring.

Johnson County Prosecutor Lance Hamner said that arrest warrants had been issued for Lori Vernon-Lee, 36, Jeremy Lee, 30, and Jerry L. McCory, 56.

Police said Vernon-Lee recruited women to be escorts and work out of her home.

Officers said she was generally paid about half of the money the escorts collected when they performed various sex acts.

According to a probable cause affidavit, Vernon-Lee's husband, Jeremy Lee, took money from the escorts while wearing his IMPD uniform.

Another probable cause affidavit alleged that McCory, who was a civilian MCSD employee, paid one of the escorts to perform a sex act on him.

Hamner said escort services were advertised in Nuvo magazine. IMPD began an undercover investigation about two months ago, 6News' Ericka Flye reported.

Acting on a tip that the ad was tied to a prostitution ring, investigators conducted a sting.

"Apparently they used an undercover officer to call up that number and say he wanted to have a girl and they would make arrangements, and that's what they did," Hamner said.

Vernon-Lee was charged with five Class C felony counts of promotion prostitution. Jeremy Lee faces one count of aiding in or promoting prostitution and McCory faces one count of patronizing a prostitute.

McCory resigned from his position with the MCSD and Jeremy Lee was called in Massachusetts, where he was serving in the military, and was told he had been fired from IMPD, 6News' Jack Rinehart reported.

"It's pretty shocking. Every profession has its bad eggs, but when you see something ... that involves moral turpitude of this nature, you just think that there's a certain amount of respect that somebody would have for the uniform even if they don't want to be a part of it," Hamner said.

IMPD Chief Michael Spears weighed in on the case late Wednesday to express disappointment that another police officer has been implicated or charged in an ongoing investigation. Within the last two weeks, four other IMPD officers were indicted on drug or gun-related charges.

"It's very difficult for me to use the term officer with this man's name, because once he started this type of activity, he clearly separated himself from any role within this police department," Spears said. "We're disgusted by his conduct. We're ashamed of him, and I think the thing that the public needs to know is that this investigation started by the work of members of our own agency."

Prosecutors said more charges are expected in the prostitution case. Vernon-Lee turned herself in to authorities Wednesday night.

Copyright 2008 by [url]TheIndyChannel.com[/url] . All rights reserved.[/quote]

Notice fewer busts lately? Most departments have cut 10% or more of their force because all levels of government are running out of money due to the recession. That makes things like murder go to the top of the enforcement list and things like who is getting a HJ or getting laid go to the bottom, where they belong.

How does LE check work when a hobbyist visits with a provider?

What do you ask each other to do, and how does this prove that neither one is LE.

Just wondering what exactly takes place to ensure neither one is LE.

[QUOTE=Gigabyte40; 1051859]How does LE check work when a hobbyist visits with a provider?

What do you ask each other to do, and how does this prove that neither one is LE.

Just wondering what exactly takes place to ensure neither one is LE. [/QUOTE]You can search the forum for "22 rules to mongering". Upon my review, it gave me a better idea of how to be prepared for the situation.

Just wondering if any legal eagles have a say on this?

Fucking in a car is public indecency, but what about in an RV?

What about the cab of a semi-trailer?

Any opinions?