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[QUOTE=SoloAdventure;7673098]That's fair. Moving on.
A lot of the 4. 4/4. 5 have told me it's slow. I tell them economy is not so good but what I really want to say is they need to drop their pricing. I'm too chicken shit to tell them. Who wants to be the man. LOL.[/QUOTE]Price drops should come from the Bosses or Bookers, the girls at the incall do all the work / heavy lifting!
[QUOTE=Osori84;7673770]Price drops should come from the Bosses or Bookers, the girls at the incall do all the work / heavy lifting![/QUOTE]I've started being a bit more honest lately. The girls are being told that it's slow right now because of World Cup. I laugh every time I hear this. Maybe the logic here is that guys are losing money on World Cup wagering? I don't think 20% of OC is traveling to World Cup venues across America.
There was a girl that started a couple weeks ago that was charging 360+100. (she's gone now) she was nice and had great service but a bit older and looks was about a 6. 5 to me. I told her straight up she would be much busier if she did bb special or reduce to 320. She said something about boss setting rate and how all the other costs have gone up etc etc. It's probably true but at almost $500/ hr I need to have an amazing session with a girl in her 20's who I have to double take to make sure she's not a K-pop star. Ok maybe not that good but you get the point.
If the new norm is going to be $500/ hr for average looking women in their mid to late 30's, there's not going to be much traffic and there certainly isn't going to be many / any repeats.
[B]FA Ms Angel[/B] is back! How do I know? I look at their HX updates on TokyoGirls. So, make sure you are subscribed to both TokyoGirls and FirstAsians. For FA and CAKD, their HX accounts sometimes update ads half a day before their site ads. Please remember these tips, this hobby requires you to research for yourself. Ms Angel is white skin, full bodied (slightly thick), all natural, young, beautiful face.
[URL]https://www.humaniplex.com/profiles/TokyoGirls[/URL] FirstAsians (FA)
[QUOTE=Download X;7673250][B]Ms Angel[/B] is 320 hr and is for anyone who wants a young girl with a beautiful face OR a natural civvie girl who has a nice personality OR someone who likes a slightly thick body like the photo guide OR someone who wants a cute GFE only girl and doesn't want to pay a lot. If she went to 400 HR, you would see an AND description instead of OR in my matchmaking rec.[/QUOTE]
For speaking Chinese, [B]Olivia[/B], [B]Subin[/B], and [B]Sansa K[/B]. For English, [B]Danbi[/B] and [B]Sansa K[/B]. For Japanese, [B]Baby Runa[/B] and [B]CAKD Suki[/B]. If you love tanned girls, [B]Rayne K[/B] and [B]Bree[/B]. Most girls have white skin so it's too long to list. [B]Ms Angel[/B], Olivia, and CAKD Suki are very white, but there's a lot more.
I don't remember skintone well months later, so what I do is write it down same day. Since I don't care about skin tone, height, or boob size a lot, I trust what I wrote down same-day, not my memory. I care about skinniness and Face more, so my memory on it is better (but I still trust what I write down more). I care a lot about DTF and Vibe, so my memory is solid on those. I definitely remember who gave me bb or a better menu (ex: msog for a tip even if "no msog", other stuff..). I'm sure most people are like this - they remember what they care about more.
[QUOTE=Download X;7673250][B]320-370[/B] HR is about what I'd expect to pay if I like a girl and have a good time. I can understand upcharge if she's hot, but I'll also pick a 50 upcharge girl over a 100 if there's an equal choice.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=LuvBoba;7674092]I've started being a bit more honest lately. The girls are being told that it's slow right now because of World Cup. I laugh every time I hear this. Maybe the logic here is that guys are losing money on World Cup wagering? I don't think 20% of OC is traveling to World Cup venues across America.[/QUOTE]
The world cup is a small factor. The main factor is girls are overpriced. There are many young and beautiful girls having no trouble at 320 to 370. It's as simple as that.
[QUOTE=SexySpam;7674114]I have already significantly cut back on my mongering with K Orgs just because of the ridiculous price creep. Just a few years ago all the prices were $300 for MSOG. Now all these people want to charge $360+ and then an add on fee for MSOG.[/QUOTE]
In a pinch, you could see Ms Angel hh for 240 and one shot her. 002s from Ebisu if you prefer in-person purchase.
[B]Descriptions of Well-Priced Girls[/B]
[B]Olivia[/B] has updated ads. She is full Team7 which means a tiny skinny body with perfect proportions (i.e. not "just short" like a midget). White skin tone. She speaks conversational Chinese according to two fluent reviewers (let's say 50% fluent).
[URL]https://www.candygirlla.com/portfolio-1/olivia3[/URL]
[URL]https://get9irl.com/Olivia[/URL]
[URL]https://kbeautygirls.com/olivia[/URL]
[B]CAKD Suki[/B] just started. She is a tiny spinner with good Face and Ass, small natural boobs. High looks, HYA service. So for full HYA Hunters only. Jgirl [B]Baby Runa[/B] is also here!.
Did I mention all three girls are 350 and under? If you pick a girl that is your type, you tend to get good Value. Each girl has a very distinct and different body type. These body models are especially close:
[URL]https://www.usasexguide.nl/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=808598&d=1781154763[/URL] [B]Get9 Olivia[/B] body
[URL]https://www.usasexguide.nl/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=808668&d=1781206159[/URL] [B]CAKD Suki[/B] body
[URL]https://www.usasexguide.nl/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=808594&d=1781154763[/URL] [B]FA Ms Angel[/B] body
If you need Service, you generally have to find the mature girls. One long-time OC Veteran for Service is White who is GFE:
[URL]https://www.usasexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?38133-Korean-Agency-GFE&p=7666452&viewfull=1#post7666452[/URL] GFE White
[B]FA Ms Angel[/B] - Beautiful, especially face. B or C cup natural, 25-30 years old. All natural head to toe, no tattoos, good skills, DTF, her pussy loves to bang, good English, good personality, very sweet vibe. Top tier face. She is beautiful from head to toe, full bodied (slightly thick). Important: GFE only, full bodied, not for skinny hunters. She is for full HYA Hunters, but some Balanced Hunters also consider her ATF.
[B]Olivia[/B] - Tiny and very skinny girl, full Team7 with perfect body proportions. Petite, very skinny, white skin, 5'1" or 5'2", B or C MMs, long black hair with curls. Pussy is very good. Routine includes some good balls licking. A bit sassy, has a tattoo. Her body appeal is similar to Baby Sol and FA Jira. Speaks conversational Chinese. Pussy is tight and she enjoys sex. Easy repeat for me, 50 bb.
[B]Subin[/B] - DDG like a model. Very skinny, short black hair, 5'4", C or D tits, tits look and feel great, good nipples too, white skin, skinny waist, good hips and ass. Ideal hip to ass contrast. Breast shape is what I like, good for cupping from behind or when she leans over you for 2nd bbbj. She is beautiful head to toe. Important: Looks over Service, GFE only. Limited English but no trouble communicating with basic words. Very sensual, she has a routine so I would follow it and then take over later when you think it's right. Would repeat. Speaks conversational Chinese. HYA Hunters report she improves on repeats.
[QUOTE=JackShackHuntr;7673344]Young, CYA+ GND, early twenties (20-23). Claims 21; booker says real age 21. Believable. Incredible physiquevery lean with subtle ab definition, especially in missionary with legs back. Skinny to Skinny+ build, enough ass to give two handfuls, natural A to small B cups. HYA+ Service, a lot of eye contact during BBBJ. LFK over DFK.
[URL]https://gangnamsecrets.com/profile/jp-baby-runa[/URL]
[URL] https://www.candygirlla.com/portfolio-1/baby-runa[/URL]
[URL] https://kbeautygirls.com/baby-runa[/URL]
[URL] https://get9irl.com/RunaJ[/URL][/QUOTE]
[B]CAKD Suki[/B] - Very beautiful. Tiny jgirl spinner with DDG Face and a great ass. 5'3", 20s, petite, spinner, pure white skin, natural small tits, fully shaved, DDG Face, short black hair, amazing chunky ass. Beautiful smile, tight pussy. HYA level skills, can ride well, she is submissive in other positions. Enough English for basics, fresh vibe. Follow the Lizza guide for best results. HYA Hunters are happy with service.
[URL]https://cakdolls.com/escort/Miko%20J/[/URL] CAKD Suki Ad
[URL]https://www.usasexguide.nl/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=808669&d=1781206159[/URL] Suki alternate hips and ass model
[B]Danbi[/B] - Very beautiful. 5'6", 20s, B or C cup, breasts look and feel great, white skin, long black hair, good style, good ass and body shape. Her body type is similar to Baby Sweet. Face is very nice, good make up skills too. Has a slight alternative look. Otherwise, she has these same specs as Baby Sweet: Pleaser, good English, sweet voice. Nice hair and nails. Experienced with some skills, dtf. But face is even younger and better. She is for full HYA Hunters. HYA Hunters report she improves on repeats.
[B]Pricing[/B]
All the above girls descrbied are in the 300s. Younger girls are priced cheaper lately. Many of 320-370 girls are in the same range of hotness as the premium girls. So if she is just your type, she's going to be hot and cheap. So, pick a girl that's your type and be happy.
The best looking "normal rate" girls to me were: FA Isabella, Subin, Danbi, Suki, Heaven K, MH Cherry, Kuzumi J, Dani, and Winter/Seven. Danbi, Suki, Heaven K, Kuzumi J leans face, MH Cherry leans body. Next were girls who were 400 or 420 (+50 or +70) which is barely premium. They include Katie K, Lizza, River, Baby Sol, Ng, Baby Sweet, Nali, Baby Yul.
If you cheat and go to Japan, THC Hasumi, Gingira Nanase, and ETO Hinata are high tier $200 to $250 an hour. Hasumi is HYA+ and looks as good as her JAV (she lost a bit of weight and improved her style).
If you are into jgirls, two full premium jgirls that I liked were MH Yua and Riri J. MH Yua does video which is a factor. There are many jgirls named Yua and Riri, so the prefix helps distinguish them.
Not everyone liked Lizza or Nali, but it was clear enough they were young and some level of good looking. Lizza and Nali both leaned Body. Lizza's service was very good to any HYA Hunter (this is a warning to Service guys), and Nali is very good to any Balanced Hunter (this is also a warning to Service guys). Full Premium girls fall into those two categories too. Baby Mury and Daisy are good for Balanced Hunters, but most full premium girls are for full HYA Hunters to a large degree.
Full premium is 500 or 600 and up (+150 or +250). This is a way bigger gap than a +50 or +70. The price is too high by design. So, you'll have to figure it out.
[B]OC Vibe[/B]
Any girl "for HYA Hunters" seems to improve when she rotates to OC. Very often their vibe improves, their service improves, you see their smile more. Maybe OC has good vibes helping them. This is not as true for "for Service Hunter" girls where they can do well either LA or OC. It's probably that each city has a different preference and vibe.
First attached is an ad for Subin. I think it's a good ad because if you like that look you'll probably like her. Next is a body model for Ms Angel. It's also a body model for CAKD Bree! Both girls have nice face. Next two are Olivia photo models. They show off her very skinny tiny body with perfect proportions. Team7 body type. Next is an ad for Runa J. I hope more jgirls like Runa and Suki come to OC, but it's hard. Next is a body model for Suki.
If you are logged in, hover over any photo and you can see which girl it is labeled for. Olivia and Suki have hard appeal for Body, meaning their body type is very hard to find so if that is your priority then they are obviously unicorns. Same as with Baby Abby / Rai who also has hard appeal for tiny spinner. Subin has DDG face and body to me. Danbi has a top tier face to me with an alt gamer style. Ms Angel has a beautiful natural face. Each guy is going to order these girls differently than the next, but they are all in the range of good looking.
[QUOTE=LuvBoba;7674092]I've started being a bit more honest lately. The girls are being told that it's slow right now because of World Cup. I laugh every time I hear this. Maybe the logic here is that guys are losing money on World Cup wagering? I don't think 20% of OC is traveling to World Cup venues across America.
There was a girl that started a couple weeks ago that was charging 360+100. (she's gone now) she was nice and had great service but a bit older and looks was about a 6. 5 to me. I told her straight up she would be much busier if she did bb special or reduce to 320. She said something about boss setting rate and how all the other costs have gone up etc etc. It's probably true but at almost $500/ hr I need to have an amazing session with a girl in her 20's who I have to double take to make sure she's not a K-pop star. Ok maybe not that good but you get the point.
If the new norm is going to be $500/ hr for average looking women in their mid to late 30's, there's not going to be much traffic and there certainly isn't going to be many / any repeats.[/QUOTE]I have already significantly cut back on my mongering with K Orgs just because of the ridiculous price creep. Just a few years ago all the prices were $300 for MSOG. Now all these people want to charge $360+ and then an add on fee for MSOG.
[QUOTE=SexySpam;7674114]I have already significantly cut back on my mongering with K Orgs just because of the ridiculous price creep. Just a few years ago all the prices were $300 for MSOG. Now all these people want to charge $360+ and then an add on fee for MSOG.[/QUOTE]Absolutely. I've also cut down my spend significantly because of the overpricing. I hope the bookers are noticing and will do something about it.
Looks like she starts OC tomorrow, posting meta of LA reviews.
[URL]https://www.usasexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?33078-Hot-Young-Asian-Girls&p=7655196&highlight=Cheney#post7655196.[/URL]
[URL]https://www.usasexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?31533-Asian-PLEASER-Reviews-only&p=7649185&highlight=Cheney#post7649185.[/URL]
[URL]https://www.usasexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?31533-Asian-PLEASER-Reviews-only&p=7655311&highlight=Cheney#post7655311.[/URL]
[URL]https://www.usasexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?31533-Asian-PLEASER-Reviews-only&p=7656079&highlight=Cheney#post7656079.[/URL]
[QUOTE=MrBlackRabbit;7673435]I agree with Jack. She was on the east coast with good reviews too.[/QUOTE]Just visited. Yes to CYA early 20's. 7/10 on face very girl next door. 8. 5/10 on body. She is very slim with A cups can't be taller than 5 ft. Will put in service but still new. Soft bbj and lfk, she likes using her tongue a lot. Great in cowgirl and will give some aplastones, Spanish for really good riding. That are great. Slight acne but has make up on. Will follow directions well and not rush you out. Treat her well and gently she doesn't do well with roughness and a tight squeeze was a bit much for her.
CAKD SUKI.
I saw her this afternoon and I regret it. She makes Danbi's session feel like Lizza. I realize how good Saki J is now and took her for granted. The main thumbnail pic might be her but super filtered. The other pics are fake. Take her face a tiers down. Above average if I want to be nice. Not DDG. GND cute if anything. Body over face. Young. Mid-20. Small B or Full A. Perky. Wide hips, nice apple bottom. A couple small tatts. She brought the Corg type service. I tried to charm her. No luck. She didn't care. Personality of a potato. I tried to warm her up, no luck there too. Fake moans during foreplay. Here's a tip, if you're going to fake it don't moan on a cadence. Towards the end, I could call the moan in my head and she would moan. Worst BJ ever, barely any suction. Basically just sat on my in cg. I had to help rock her for her to move. From there I just took over, went though what I wanted while she checked out. She did say okay to anything I asked and was submissive. I didn't ask for anything crazy. Doesn't like kissing but will kiss you. She'll kiss you at the start to start, after that you have to initiate it. Okay English if you're careful with the choice of words. She has a BB upgrade but no CIP. She was nice to let you know beforehand and not during. Saved me money. I don't think she's hot enough to be HYA or worth a HYA hunter shot but if you like them young and don't care for a dead fish. Go at it.
[QUOTE=LuvBoba;7674092] If the new norm is going to be $500/ hr for average looking women in their mid to late 30's, there's not going to be much traffic and there certainly isn't going to be many / any repeats.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=DownloadX;7673250] I've never said a girl can't charge 400 or more. I'm just saying it is going to be very hard unless she is very hot or young. Contrasting 320 hr versus 400 hr leads to an OR rec (> 50% appeal) becoming an AND rec (<10% appeal):
[/QUOTE]Agree with this 100%.
[QUOTE=SomeoneOC;7674217]Absolutely. I've also cut down my spend significantly because of the overpricing. I hope the bookers are noticing and will do something about it.[/QUOTE]What are the Bookers going to do or what they should do?
Got a suggestion?
[QUOTE=Osori84;7674538]What are the Bookers going to do or what they should do?
Got a suggestion?[/QUOTE]I think some people are forgetting other variable factors, some girls have bosses and some don't. The ones who do also another person to give a cut hence price. If a booker somehow scouts their own exclusive talent, they're able to offer a lower price compared to cross posted girls. Again this is just my speculation.
[QUOTE=Osori84;7674538]What are the Bookers going to do or what they should do?
Got a suggestion?[/QUOTE]
The first solution is not the booker. Just use and give accurate Intel, it is more powerful. The key is awareness and standards. People will happily spend when they get value, whatever their own criteria. Girls could lower prices, or guys can pick the girls they like who are the price they like. It actually ends up the same either way. I bypass overpriced girls all the time by picking a different girl. It is The Vote, The Draft, Minesweeping.
Best to think of bookers like the waiter at a restaurant. When you complain about the steak, what they can do is pass that feedback along and offer some solution for now. They didn't cook it, they can't change the steak, but they could bring you out another dish or communicate with the cook or manager. Depending on the situation they can offer you this or that, and you tell them if that's good enough. And so on.
The diner is paying good money so of course they expect a fix, but they're also not used to thinking about a cook or manager. They only deal with the waiter / booker. I'm saying it's possible to think past that. We could actually figure out if a particular cook serves the taste we want and dodge it, ahead of time. Without ever tasting the cooking ourselves! Someone else did. You see what I'm saying.
I don't rely on the waiter to tell if I will like the steak. I rely on another taster.
[B]The Tasters[/B]
A few times, it's been a year or two and the girl doesn't remember me. Like a Michelin taster, I won't give her a hint just yet. I remember she gave me especially great service last time, and I'm curious how consistent she can be. She changed her name, but my friend told me it's her so I rushed to see her. Now she's all over me (this is a bb-special girl so I expect it), and as we are face to face I look into her eyes and see if she sees it. I whisper to her "Welcome back." After a pause, we are both laughing. We are holding our bellies for a long laugh, it is surreal.
She passed the Michelin test for Service. It is BB Yoda level good. Pay upcharge for her, I will not. Find high value in her, I do.
When you have enough tasters giving their opinion, it starts to become redundant in a helpful way. I don't care whether someone agrees with my opinion, I want to hear what they have to say.
[B]First to Say[/B]
The hardest thing with Intel is I can find a girl hot and I know how hot she is to me, but I don't yet know how hot she is to others. If I know a few people who liked her too, it can seem like she has broader appeal than she does. If I know people who didn't like her, I might warn too hard and people end up saying she's not that bad. This back and forth process over time gives a clearer picture either way. I don't know a better way short of waiting for someone else to say things first. It is exactly Boner's dilemma.
When I saw [B]Danbi[/B], I only knew that I might like her based on who else liked her. I deliberately ignored any other details to keep an open mind, so I can have my own personal experience and impression. I don't care if the Intel I got doesn't turn out true, because it's reliable enough that it usually does.
I did like her, a lot more than I expected. I saw some ymmv signs but got past them by the beginner Lizza guide and even some advanced ideas I will write out in the future to help others. So I wrote down that she is for HYA Hunters only as a guess. I often revise it if I see a clear pattern. Then I opened up feedback others had sent me, plus links to reviews I had copied down without looking at details. I weigh them by how well I know their past reviews, and they can be useful even if they have opposite taste. I noticed it was pretty bad in LA, but the opinion wasn't divided by reviewer type but by timing. It kept improving over time up to me, the latest. I asked for more feedback from readers willing to respond, and I felt she probably improves on repeats. For some people, she definitely does. I suspect it won't if someone doesn't vibe, so I wrote it down that way. Best I can do.
It isn't always useful for me to say a girl is High looks Low service, since people could get used to seeing a girl and liking her and expecting the next High/Low girl to be the same success. And in Danbi's case, I couldn't even say High/Low that because I got pretty amazing service first visit. But I'm on the high end of that estimate. Someone else got it too, so it's not my imagination. My guess is she needed rest and was also improving.
[QUOTE=SomeoneOC;7674217]Absolutely. I've also cut down my spend significantly because of the overpricing. I hope the bookers are noticing and will do something about it.[/QUOTE]The provider sets their pricing and menu.
Updating my list to include Suki. Top to Bottom:
Face: Rayne, Danbi, Sansa, Suki (Most mongers will rank Suki above Sansa, some maybe even Danbi), Karla.
Tits: Sansa, Danbi, Karla, Rayne, Suki.
Ass / Thighs: Sansa, Rayne / Suki (tied. Similar bust to hip curve. Rayne is a shorter but more tone. Suki is taller, not tone), Danbi. All four are nice for young, but not big for ass lovers. Any of the four can be number 1. And then we have Karla. Karla is for ass lovers.
Box (fitting not looks): Danbi / Suki (tied), Karla, Sansa, Rayne.
GFE like: Karla, Sansa, Rayne (if she's in the mood, #2), Danbi, Suki.
Sex Positive / In to it: Karla / Rayne tied, Sansa, Danbi, Suki.
Cuddle. Easiest to get along vs. Having to charm them: Karla, Sansa, Rayne, Danbi, Suki.
English: 1st tier. Sansa and Karla. 2nd tier. Danbi, Rayne, Suki.
Rayne K is so fucking fine boys I can't stop seeing her.
Her body is perfect and her skin has that soft youthful glow to it I can't recommend her enough even with how tight her schedule is.