"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;2489654]
No offence but after reading this thread and putting in at most a few months time (even from ground zero), if you aren't scoring you must really be boring. Because looks, size and skills are all important on some level, but sugar + personality = pussy. And with enough sugar you dont even need that. But this thread is for guys that want to leverage some of their good qualities and a reasonable amount of sugar to get what they want. [/QUOTE]I have to agree that with the right approach this is automatic. Not with every girl, at every sugar amount, but with more than enough to keep me in fresh young pussy, without spending close to what you'd need to pay a comparable pro, for the same experience.

I found out at noon yesterday that I am being assigned to a 5 month project outside of Detroit. I have already gotten 4 numbers of promising candidates. The first one to text me is a 22 year old white girl, 8/8/7/?. I don't get a hint of UTR off of her. She says she had one SD in the past but he stopped finding time to see her. She wanted 300 per meet. I countered with some of the same logic HG uses in his approach (I don't follow his script word for word but the underlying philosophy is solid). I explained that I am going to be there for 5 months, and I am looking for someone to see on a regular basis for that time (which is true, I like to have a steady go-to). I explained that someone might offer her more, but they would probably do exactly what the first guy did, which was carve a notch and move on. She is locked in at 150. I went a little higher than my norm (120) because I don't have a fallback there (yet), and she really is sweet. I did tell her that this is contingent upon meeting face to face and on our having the right kind of connection. We're going to dinner when I get in town next week and I expect to go straight to the FC. If that all goes well I will see her the whole time I'm there. If not, I still have 3 more numbers to text.

I may meet her for dinner and find she is not what I'm expecting, or is UTR, or the performance may not be what I need, but for the minimal amount of effort I put in it is well worth the time.

[QUOTE=Dsprdo;2489728] but for the minimal amount of effort I put in it is well worth the time.[/QUOTE]A week or so ago I was in a mini-dry spell with GPS all around, and my regular girls out of touch. I went on BP to see if there was a morsel to tide me over. When I got to thinking about my experiences with BP girls, versus SA girls, I could not bring myself to pull the trigger, even though I had the itch.

[QUOTE=BigTigger;2488006]
So literally the day before I was supposed to leave, I hit up a number of POTS on SA.

My basic line was simple. "I'm in town for 3 nights starting tomorrow, I can't be your full time SD, but you will have fun, I'll cover all expenses and provide minimal spending money. If things go well, we could probably meet once every other month, read my profile and let's chat".

San Diego has impressed me. I may have to come back and visit. Reminded me of my St. Louis trip. Both young ladies would like to come visit once I get back to my area.

Like normal, the First meeting I gave small gifts and gas money, 2nd night more of a regular donation. No complaints by either.[/QUOTE]I travel to San Diego occasionally for work, and usually see a few escorts while I'm there. Saw your earlier posts on travel SBs and did start to think that might be something worth trying. Have another trip coming up here in a couple months, and after this report, yeah, I'll definitely have to give this a shot.

I have emails and leads from three other bros who fish in my area.

I am collecting the info in a list and will do an email blast Monday night to them.

If you happen to be fishing in this area and want to be added, please PM me w at least two good leads and your email address. We need all to pitch in.

Please don't be surprised that there is some overlap, in that I am, for example, more than familiar w some of the ladies mentioned in PMs.

I'm glad I found this site. My Sugar experience has been pretty good. It's a little more expensive, but a whole lot more entertaining.

One question I've got. What's the best way to score with the more mature ladies. Most of the info I've seen on here, even HWG steps, is geared towards the younger (under 25) crowd. Anyone have any tips for scoring with the Divorcee's or older single moms. I enjoy them more in bed and they're not quite as flaky.

Thanks.

Z.

[QUOTE=MyName1;2490774]I'm glad I found this site. My Sugar experience has been pretty good. It's a little more expensive, but a whole lot more entertaining.

One question I've got. What's the best way to score with the more mature ladies. Most of the info I've seen on here, even HWG steps, is geared towards the younger (under 25) crowd. Anyone have any tips for scoring with the Divorcee's or older single moms. I enjoy them more in bed and they're not quite as flaky.

Thanks.

Z.[/QUOTE]Hey son, you must be a little younger. Because us dirty old men got to keep up our reputations. We like those impressionable, awestruck, daddy talkin, teens. LOL.

[QUOTE=MyName1;2490774]I'm glad I found this site. My Sugar experience has been pretty good. It's a little more expensive, but a whole lot more entertaining.

One question I've got. What's the best way to score with the more mature ladies. Most of the info I've seen on here, even HWG steps, is geared towards the younger (under 25) crowd. Anyone have any tips for scoring with the Divorcee's or older single moms. I enjoy them more in bed and they're not quite as flaky.

Thanks.

Z.[/QUOTE]They certainly are less flaky, and by now the know what they like / want.

I find just being honest wiht them works both ways. They are probably down on their luck due to divorce / failed relationship / job change. They know they need $$, they know they like to fuck, and they know they have trouble finding guys who want to be with someone with kids in a real relationship. Empathisize with their situation, we both have needs, physical emotional and financial, let's figure out how we can help each other htose ways.

Really not too different.

She steals your money and runs away as sooon as she has a chance.

You are warned.

[URL]https://www.seekingarrangement.com/member/e703bfbe/view[/URL]

She changes profiles frequently.

Here are also pictures she uses.

Here are pictures.

She works out of NoVA / DC / MD.

Be careful.

I'm new to the Sugar Bowl. But, been taking notes for you guys. And dived in about 3 months ago.

My first and second successful contact was during a biz trip.

19 yr old brunette. With a few pounds, but still sweet looking. $$ for the whole night. Got serviced 3 times that night.

21 yr old. Hot redhead. Just had a M&G. But, couldn't close the deal to FC. Then left for the airport.

Now I'm back home, and decided to try the local talent. In the search in my area for 18 to 33 yr olds, there are around 1500 SBs.

21 yr old. Auburn. Very sweet girl. No funds were discussed at M&G. Just had a day of fun around town. Had dinner on 2nd date, but no go for FC. So, that does that. I really liked her, but I can tell, she is seeking somebody younger and unmarried.

25 yr old. Redhead. Had M&G. After about an hour, went straight to FC at local hotel. Paid $. Saw her again the next week at her place and did the deed for $1. 5. I am moving on from her for now, but she is texting every week to hook up. I feel kinda guilty, but there are just too many POTs to see.

27 yr old, single mom, redhead. Killer body. Petite and tight, not sure how after having one kid. Had the M&G, after 20 minutes, went straight to FC at local hotel. She hasn't been laid in months and made her cream so much, you could have frosted a whole cake. She texts me everyday, saying I'm the only SD she has seen. We agreed to $1. 5 per meet.

19 yr old auburn. College student. OMG. Petite, tight, and tight in the Va Jay Jay. She is great, but all business. She can host which saves funds for me. Haven't had a chance to get our schedules in sync.

Next up, a day trip with a 20 yr. Old brunette. College student. Already agreed to FC during the trip.

So, those are my war stories. It does not include all the POTs I am still chatting with now. Of course, like everybody else, I run into GPS, creepy and cool POTs. My favorite POT is the one that invited me to a sex party for one gentleman only. Up to six girls, one guy, 5 K in funds, one night. That is reserved for my bucket list. I figured before I get a full head of grey hair, I'm doing that party.

Sharing these stories for you and fellow newbies. I am getting a pretty good success rate for a small city, with one main college.

Good luck in the Bowl.

P.S. I find that if I mention I travel a lot for work, the SBs understand nothing will last too long and agree to "per meeting" arrangement.

[QUOTE=FTP1999;2491475]She steals your money and runs away as sooon as she has a chance.

You are warned.

[URL]https://www.seekingarrangement.com/member/e703bfbe/view[/URL]

She changes profiles frequently.

Here are also pictures she uses.

Here are pictures.

She works out of NoVA / DC / MD.

Be careful.[/QUOTE]FTP, I think this is what we should be posting here as well. There is similar one I posted on VCU SB Hannah.

There are few others in Virginia area like this. May be we can create a list of such profile. That might help brothers to avoid those SBs.

Other lesson is...do not give or show money until the date is over.

[QUOTE=KingGreg;2491518]FTP, I think this is what we should be posting here as well. There is similar one I posted on VCU SB Hannah.

There are few others in Virginia area like this. May be we can create a list of such profile. That might help brothers to avoid those SBs.

Other lesson is...do not give or show money until the date is over.[/QUOTE]Any young lady who is a true SB never looks to be "gifted" until the end of the date. Any time they want the gift up front, that should send up a red flag. At that point, end the date immediately and just say "Next!

I know, I know.

I didn't give her the money up-front. I know better. Just watch out, she is a scammer. Done.

[QUOTE=FyrGuy33;2491624]Any young lady who is a true SB never looks to be "gifted" until the end of the date. Any time they want the gift up front, that should send up a red flag. At that point, end the date immediately and just say "Next![/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=FTP1999;2491758]I know, I know.

I didn't give her the money up-front. I know better. Just watch out, she is a scammer. Done.[/QUOTE]I agree. But this way, sharing such SB info will save our time upfront.

[QUOTE=KingGreg;2491766]I agree. But this way, sharing such SB info will save our time upfront.[/QUOTE]Just to be clear, she did steal my money.

Seven people helped. Just sent the email.

It helped me already.

[QUOTE=FTP1999;2490148]I have emails and leads from three other bros who fish in my area.

I am collecting the info in a list and will do an email blast Monday night to them.

If you happen to be fishing in this area and want to be added, please PM me w at least two good leads and your email address. We need all to pitch in.

Please don't be surprised that there is some overlap, in that I am, for example, more than familiar w some of the ladies mentioned in PMs.[/QUOTE]

Thanks for putting the list together FTP! Very helpful. Looks like we are now Eskimo brothers, my friend.

I'd be interested in contributing to a similar list for Boston.

[QUOTE=FTP1999;2492176]Seven people helped. Just sent the email.

It helped me already.[/QUOTE]Can you please include me in that list?

[QUOTE=JoeBlowDC;2492985]Can you please include me in that list?[/QUOTE]I will be happy to set one for RIC / CVille / Williamsburg / Fredericksburg area. Thoughts? PM me if interested.

[QUOTE=KingGreg;2493243]I will be happy to set one for RIC / CVille / Williamsburg / Fredericksburg area. Thoughts? PM me if interested.[/QUOTE]I did set one for central VA. In less than 12 hours, we have 3 members, already we are able to share valuable info.

KG.

[QUOTE=KingGreg;2494462]I did set one for central VA. In less than 12 hours, we have 3 members, already we are able to share valuable info.

KG.[/QUOTE]Yes I would be willing to share. Mostly flakes.

[QUOTE=FTP1999;2492176]Seven people helped. Just sent the email.

It helped me already.[/QUOTE]I may need to get involved here. Considering restarting my bowl account. My main SB has flaked the hell out and I honestly think I'm fed up and ready to wash my hands of it.

Right now I'm dealing with my straggler base. These girls come with surprises like funky vagina's or coming out and finding my condom drenched in blood. The stragglers hide weight well. Dark clothing only to underdress and find loose, sagging skin. Oddly, because I'm naked and ready I'm not strong enough to refrain and get back to my senses. Maybe there's s reason I never considered paying them in the first place. Not all free SB sex is good sex. My straggler-class SB's all have dumpy bodies too. 20 yr olds with pouches and beer belly's. Life's going to be hard for these girls. They're going to be the insane time-bombs that trick a guy into getting them preggars and / or marrying them.

We may need to come up with a game plan. I've been off the Bowl site and need to build a new line up. I need to build the 90's Chicago Bulls, the 80's Celtics / Lakers, the great 49 ers Montana / Jerry Rice of elite SB's. I'm willing to break the bank this summer to get some premium pussy. These reject SB's are fallout from my previous membership. I'm extremely disappointed not just with them, but with my dick too. When these rejects call me late at night my mind says "FUCK NO" and my lower member keeps saying "YES, Amigo! Fuck her and eat a sandwich".

Any advice here guys?

[QUOTE=HoyaSvnFgr;2494804]I may need to get involved here. Considering restarting my bowl account. My main SB has flaked the hell out and I honestly think I'm fed up and ready to wash my hands of it.

Right now I'm dealing with my straggler base. These girls come with surprises like funky vagina's or coming out and finding my condom drenched in blood. The stragglers hide weight well. Dark clothing only to underdress and find loose, sagging skin. Oddly, because I'm naked and ready I'm not strong enough to refrain and get back to my senses. Maybe there's s reason I never considered paying them in the first place. Not all free SB sex is good sex. My straggler-class SB's all have dumpy bodies too. 20 yr olds with pouches and beer belly's. Life's going to be hard for these girls. They're going to be the insane time-bombs that trick a guy into getting them preggars and / or marrying them.

We may need to come up with a game plan. I've been off the Bowl site and need to build a new line up. I need to build the 90's Chicago Bulls, the 80's Celtics / Lakers, the great 49 ers Montana / Jerry Rice of elite SB's. I'm willing to break the bank this summer to get some premium pussy. These reject SB's are fallout from my previous membership. I'm extremely disappointed not just with them, but with my dick too. When these rejects call me late at night my mind says "FUCK NO" and my lower member keeps saying "YES, Amigo! Fuck her and eat a sandwich".

Any advice here guys?[/QUOTE]Always drink an 8 ounce glass of water before every meal.

EOM. End of the month.

Love this time of the month (rent.), they are coming out in droves.

I went with our wisdom of thoughts and somewhere I thought we had seniors advising on how to avoid / or give excuse on not to share our pics?

Most of the SB want to see pics. With google image, tinyeye. And others, one can find all kind of info.

I also think some of us mentioned about send similar pictures. Not exact match but close.

Thoughts on smart creative explanation to POTs, . Here is why I don't like to share my pic.

[QUOTE=FTP1999;2495415]EOM. End of the month.

Love this time of the month (rent.), they are coming out in droves.[/QUOTE]Some of my oldies but goodies are reaching out, but not too interested. I checked for new profiles and nothing seems to stick out based on my "unicorn" search criteria or even my standard specs. It's funny, but I'm a stickler about spending $70 to renew a subscription. LOL.

Is the bowl dry in the VA area due to college wrapping up. Does it peak again in the fall?

Hannah- thief is back active on SA. She is in Dorm near VCU.

[URL]https://www.seekingarrangement.com/member/ecde1929/view?search-recently-active[/URL]

This happened when I was new. So lessons learned. Old memories.

[QUOTE=KingGreg;2496124]Hannah- thief is back active on SA. She is in Dorm near VCU.

[URL]https://www.seekingarrangement.com/member/ecde1929/view?search-recently-active[/URL]

This happened when I was new. So lessons learned. Old memories.[/QUOTE]I saw Hannah a couple times last fall, no problems. Picked her up in front of her house and dropped her off same place near VCU.

[QUOTE=KingGreg;2495599]I went with our wisdom of thoughts and somewhere I thought we had seniors advising on how to avoid / or give excuse on not to share our pics?

Most of the SB want to see pics. With google image, tinyeye. And others, one can find all kind of info.

I also think some of us mentioned about send similar pictures. Not exact match but close.

Thoughts on smart creative explanation to POTs, . Here is why I don't like to share my pic.[/QUOTE]I used to send close pix but decided that was a waste of time. I now use the following:

"I don't share unaltered pictures for three reasons. First, I am fairly well-known (in some circles) and if it was to surface that I was on the site, it would cause problems for me. Second, I find that photos tend to be self-flattering or somewhat misleading and rarely give me an accurate reading of how the person looks / acts in real life. I have to have a meeting for that. You should too. Third, I once had a person try to blackmail me by threatening to post my name, picture and number on [URL]exposingjohns.com[/URL]. It is a rip-off site that charges money to take down a listing. ".

It's not perfect. Sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't but when it doesn't, I just move on to the next one.

BAM.

[QUOTE=BradAM;2496248]I used to send close pix but decided that was a waste of time. I now use the following:

"I don't share unaltered pictures for three reasons. First, I am fairly well-known (in some circles) and if it was to surface that I was on the site, it would cause problems for me. Second, I find that photos tend to be self-flattering or somewhat misleading and rarely give me an accurate reading of how the person looks / acts in real life. I have to have a meeting for that. You should too. Third, I once had a person try to blackmail me by threatening to post my name, picture and number on [URL]exposingjohns.com[/URL]. It is a rip-off site that charges money to take down a listing. ".

It's not perfect. Sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't but when it doesn't, I just move on to the next one.

BAM.[/QUOTE]Thanks that helps. Another one for our best practices list.

HSV time for you to get back in the game. Best move I made was dropping my entire rotation. The sbs are back home and the federal financial aid for the semester is no longer flowing. These young ladies need allowance and mentors. What's even better is that they are all only expecting a summer fling. The lack of activity on the forum should have tipped you off that all the seniors are too busy banging young 18 yr old babies to waste their time right now on the forum.

Two weeks in and I have a new18 yr old blonde haired blue eyed spinner with the tightest body now in my rotation. After six m&gs I have two more babies that are ready for the FC, just waiting to be consumated. One is an Asian spinner with a runners body. She is finishing grad school and her last text to me was "I am glad I made it past the first interview daddy, I hope I can please you when we next meet. "

The info from the dmv info Exchange ftp set up was great, mainly for the allowance rate info I garnered. There was a ton of overlap between me and many other brothers. The info was good though because I realized I was way too generous with my allowance amounts.

As for the info share, I will update it again after I decide to remove these new babies from my rotation. As one friendly request, please provide contact info with your updates to ftp when you send him info. A picture of a baby and your experience with her is great if I want to jerk off. If I want to get in touch with the baby though please provide her contact info or SA profile. I suspect the dmv brothers have done well with the info that I and other brothers have provided (though the game in the bowl is very much YMMV, which is why many of the younger brothers should hone their skills in the bars), please have the courtesy of providing accurate details with contact info in your updates.

Good leads beget good leads from other good brothers. Bad leads with bad info will break down the system and destroy trust. I have no incentive to give info on old babies I am dropping from my rotation if the info one feeds the group is unreliable.

Just my two cents. Fish out.

[QUOTE=HoyaSvnFgr;2495906]Some of my oldies but goodies are reaching out, but not too interested. I checked for new profiles and nothing seems to stick out based on my "unicorn" search criteria or even my standard specs. It's funny, but I'm a stickler about spending $70 to renew a subscription. LOL.

Is the bowl dry in the VA area due to college wrapping up. Does it peak again in the fall?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=HoyaSvnFgr;2495906]Some of my oldies but goodies are reaching out, but not too interested. I checked for new profiles and nothing seems to stick out based on my "unicorn" search criteria or even my standard specs. It's funny, but I'm a stickler about spending $70 to renew a subscription. LOL.

Is the bowl dry in the VA area due to college wrapping up. Does it peak again in the fall?[/QUOTE]I've noticed the same thing in my area. Not worth spending $70 on what I've seen there lately. I know I'm in a weird area for the Babies but damn!

SmellyFish. I am dying to know who the 18 year old is. I wonder if it's the same one who went quiet.

No matter. I am banging a hot 20 year old w the tightest pussy I ever had.

Life is good.

When you are done, share the info.

[QUOTE=IluvSmellyFish;2496837]HSV time for you to get back in the game. Best move I made was dropping my entire rotation. The sbs are back home and the federal financial aid for the semester is no longer flowing. These young ladies need allowance and mentors. What's even better is that they are all only expecting a summer fling. The lack of activity on the forum should have tipped you off that all the seniors are too busy banging young 18 yr old babies to waste their time right now on the forum.

Two weeks in and I have a new18 yr old blonde haired blue eyed spinner with the tightest body now in my rotation. After six m&gs I have two more babies that are ready for the FC, just waiting to be consumated. One is an Asian spinner with a runners body. She is finishing grad school and her last text to me was "I am glad I made it past the first interview daddy, I hope I can please you when we next meet. "

The info from the dmv info Exchange ftp set up was great, mainly for the allowance rate info I garnered. There was a ton of overlap between me and many other brothers. The info was good though because I realized I was way too generous with my allowance amounts. .. Fish out.[/QUOTE]

She us back w a new profile.

Avoid. Obviously.

[URL]https://www.seekingarrangement.com/member/e78a90fe/view?search-recently-active[/URL]

[QUOTE=FTP1999;2491475]She steals your money and runs away as sooon as she has a chance.

You are warned.

[URL]https://www.seekingarrangement.com/member/e703bfbe/view[/URL]

She changes profiles frequently.

Here are also pictures she uses.

Here are pictures.

She works out of NoVA / DC / MD.

Be careful.[/QUOTE]

Got my profile approved and have sent out 9 of 10 of my free messages to mostly under 25. I find it interesting that no one under 25 that I viewed their profile have bothered to look at mine. Whereas, I have lots of 30 plus ladies look to see who was viewing.

So far no one replied and one "favorite"added from a 38. I've tweaked my profile in hopes of better luck.

As side note, I happened to have a photo shoot set up for yesterday for quite awhile. A few hours before the shoot, I found that model on SA looking for companionship outside of her marriage. So I kept that a secret while we did our shoot. I did my best to flirt with her and see if it would lead anywhere. But never got any chemistry going. All I got was a handshake goodbye. Sticking with BP girls may be the best for me as I seem to have lost my touch with the ladies.

[QUOTE=FTP1999;2498026]She us back w a new profile.

Avoid. Obviously.

[URL]https://www.seekingarrangement.com/member/e78a90fe/view?search-recently-active[/URL][/QUOTE]She may be watching the board as the profile has been 86'd.

For the ladies that are scammers, I say the brothers set up M&G's with them and then do the no show. Offer exorbitant amounts of allowance, set up the M&G in a very difficult location to meet, and then let them waste their time and money getting to the M&G, only to sit for an hour or so stewing, wondering what happened.

I hate hearing about scammers.

[QUOTE=FTP1999;2498026]She us back w a new profile.

Avoid. Obviously.

[URL]https://www.seekingarrangement.com/member/e78a90fe/view?search-recently-active[/URL][/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=IluvSmellyFish;2498718]For the ladies that are scammers, I say the brothers set up M&G's with them and then do the no show. Offer exorbitant amounts of allowance, set up the M&G in a very difficult location to meet, and then let them waste their time and money getting to the M&G, only to sit for an hour or so stewing, wondering what happened.

I hate hearing about scammers.[/QUOTE]I agree with you. We should be doing this so they understand time is important.

It hasn't happened to me yet, but it's probably just a matter of time, but man that would piss me off for one to pull a no show. Especially if it's in another city. Knock on wood. My time is valuable.

Find a picture that works, make sure that you have NEVER posted it anywhere. Do your OWN research with it, see if you can find it online etc. ALSO check every 3-4 months that it is not out there. Also blur your face.

[QUOTE=KingGreg;2495599]I went with our wisdom of thoughts and somewhere I thought we had seniors advising on how to avoid / or give excuse on not to share our pics?

Most of the SB want to see pics. With google image, tinyeye. And others, one can find all kind of info.

I also think some of us mentioned about send similar pictures. Not exact match but close.

Thoughts on smart creative explanation to POTs, . Here is why I don't like to share my pic.[/QUOTE]

I'm not sure where you are, but I used SA and pulled out of Raleigh a 24 year old AA, single mom to meet once or twice a month who's willing to drive up to my area. Very little donation amount, just wanted company, FC and not to pay for activities. So they are out there, keep on the grind.

[QUOTE=MagicRat;2497335]I've noticed the same thing in my area. Not worth spending $70 on what I've seen there lately. I know I'm in a weird area for the Babies but damn![/QUOTE]