"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[QUOTE=FredMoore;2482216]
Desperado "Not necessary, I think we are past that". " Don't count on it. With a "Freeby" comes IRL expectations. Be very careful.[/QUOTE]I'm sure you're right. I'm definitely old enough to know that there is no such thing as free pussy. Quick backstory, this is my married girl. We started when she had broken off her engagement, contimued through the reconciliation, the "should I or shouldn't I" get married phase, and the wedding. We had a break for a while but got back together recently. She is frustrated in married life (shocker, right?) and told me that she hadn't had an O in a couple of months. When you combine fighting about money and not good sex, why be married? So for now I am meeting her needs in one department, but I am sure the other shoe will drop at some point.

Bro's.

I am back here after 1 year break to go for summer fishing. If any of you like to exchange notes. I know not so preferred. But occasionally please PM me. In RIC, see-Ville area.

Cheers.

KG.

[QUOTE=BradAM;2482855]I recently welcomed a new member to my hunting grounds. I offered the following advice that I thought might be worth sharing more broadly. Please let me know if you think it has value.
As I said before, it's a numbers game. The larger the base, the larger each successive, higher level. T
Any comments from my brothers?[/QUOTE]Yes, it's true. But here is my perspective from a fisherman who doesn't have a lot of time or flexibility to get out much. If you are available a lot, and have the time and money to date multiple Pots and line up (and service) all those accounts by all means do it. But here's an example where that approach can go wrong. I have had miserable luck getting Pots even to a M&G-until now. All of a sudden Pots are flowing over and as of last week I had 5 active Babies pushing me for a meet. There is no way I can meet 5 Pots and get them to the FC as well. I neither have the time or money available. So I have had to concentrate on only 2 who are still in the game but not in the FC yet. The other three I had to push off. And we all know that they will move on to work other brothers.

So if you are limited focus on a few rather than try to work too many. Once you flake on them you might not have the opportunity to go back to the well.

I despise the new format! They recently stopped servicing the old form and I can not get the same info from the new. I tried to pull up a favored and viewed list and the same search page keeps coming up. We need a tutorial on the new system. I think it is not working correctly.

Zcochran00 thanks for putting that together. It is profoundly helpful. The security posts especially.

Jeezlizard was right that no one should be placing commentary or discussion posts on the index thread. It should stay as a strictly index type thread. Having said that I wish I didn't place my comment on it. I tried to go back and delete it, but it was too late. Sorry about that.

You should be able to "report" the post by clicking the link in the bottom left corner of it. Select that's it's yours and put why you want it gone. Admin should oblige. I've done this before.

[QUOTE=Mike7794;2483534]Zcochran00 thanks for putting that together. It is profoundly helpful. The security posts especially.

Jeezlizard was right that no one should be placing commentary or discussion posts on the index thread. It should stay as a strictly index type thread. Having said that I wish I didn't place my comment on it. I tried to go back and delete it, but it was too late. Sorry about that.[/QUOTE].

[QUOTE=Mike7794;2483534]Zcochran00 thanks for putting that together. It is profoundly helpful. The security posts especially.

Jeezlizard was right that no one should be placing commentary or discussion posts on the index thread. It should stay as a strictly index type thread. Having said that I wish I didn't place my comment on it. I tried to go back and delete it, but it was too late. Sorry about that.[/QUOTE]Hit the report post button in the corner of your post and ask A2 to remove it. It will be taken care of.

[QUOTE=FredMoore;2483521]I despise the new format! They recently stopped servicing the old form and I can not get the same info from the new. I tried to pull up a favored and viewed list and the same search page keeps coming up. We need a tutorial on the new system. I think it is not working correctly.[/QUOTE]Hmm. Never used the old site layout, but this one seems pretty straightforward:

* Filter by profile contents on the left (location, physical attributes, text, background).

* Hit the big red "Search" button to retrieve those results.

* Filter by non-profile attributes at the top (viewed, favorited, etc). Each checkbox click reruns the search using the same profile choices and the new non-profile choices.

So, if I want to search for new college girls in my city I haven't seen yet:

* Set profile options to appropriate city / distance / age range.

* Hit "Search".

* Click the "College" checkbox, wait for reload, click the "Unviewed" checkbox, wait for reload, choose "Newest Profile" from the "Sort" dropdown.

Or, in your case:

* Set profile options, "Search", click "Viewed" checkbox. Note that selecting "Favorited" AND "Viewed" probably isn't going to do you much good, because you've almost definitely viewed everyone you've favorited.

I actually had missed the "Viewed" / "Unviewed" options in there until just now. I'd used "Favorite" and "Favorited Me", but somehow my eyes didn't notice the others.

Hope that helps.

I met a stunning little 20 why / o Asian co-ed (could be Asa Akira's younger sister) last June from SA. Met her for lunch and we hit it off so well it was off to the FC right after. It did not take long to figure out she was very new to not only being a SB, but to sex in general. Being the loving, caring SD that I am, I quickly decided to take on teaching this young lady the ways of pleasing a SD. She went from awful in the FC to a superstar in the FC in a matter of weeks. A young lady who was eager to please, submissive in nature, and who took direction very, very well. Eventually all holes were available. And, all this for $150 + the SS. Usually went for 3 hours and as many loads as I could muster up. I could have fallen in love had we been closer in age. Today, I get the text message we all hate to get. She's not going to be able to see me anymore because she is now in a relationship. I wished her well, told her I was happy for her, and if at some point she is no longer in a relationship and wants to get together, just let me know.

It was great while it lasted. Rarely do we get someone so green that we can mold them into the exact girl in the FC that we want. I will miss her, but as I always say, NEXT!

[QUOTE=FyrGuy33;2484576]I met a stunning little 20 why / o Asian co-ed (could be Asa Akira's younger sister) last June from SA. Met her for lunch and we hit it off so well it was off to the FC right after. It did not take long to figure out she was very new to not only being a SB, but to sex in general. Being the loving, caring SD that I am, I quickly decided to take on teaching this young lady the ways of pleasing a SD. She went from awful in the FC to a superstar in the FC in a matter of weeks. A young lady who was eager to please, submissive in nature, and who took direction very, very well. Eventually all holes were available. And, all this for $150 + the SS. Usually went for 3 hours and as many loads as I could muster up. I could have fallen in love had we been closer in age. Today, I get the text message we all hate to get. She's not going to be able to see me anymore because she is now in a relationship. I wished her well, told her I was happy for her, and if at some point she is no longer in a relationship and wants to get together, just let me know.

It was great while it lasted. Rarely do we get someone so green that we can mold them into the exact girl in the FC that we want. I will miss her, but as I always say, NEXT![/QUOTE]I tell most girls that I am seeing regularly to think of me as a stepping stone. So make the most of it while you can. Because my history is that its not going to last. But that doesn't mean we can't have a blast for as long as it does. Young girls need mentoring, guidance and good sex (and money). Nothing wrong with that.

I had an x from a few years ago recently thank me for all the help I gave her, financially and with her self esteem. She was a scared little girl when I met her, jumping from man to man. Now she makes her own plans and carries herself like the sexy young lady she always was. They may move on (or we may move them on) but they dont forget. I like to think I am making the world a better place for me and for them.

I know most ppl look down on what we do and have terrible names they like to call us. Some are well intentioned but most are clueless. I was an atm before and found that there were some benefits to that, but mostly I just attracted gold diggers. Now some call me cheap, but I am not cheap with my real world help, the above mentioned instruction (that one day may land them the hubby of their dreams) and a shoulder to lean on in the mean time. As far as I am concerned thats priceless.

Of course we all have our booty call babes (I used her, she used me, but neither one cared) but for a girl to be long term SB she has to be lifting my self esteem as well. And thats the main ingredient in attracting these girls. At least the ones I go after.

I just spoke to my first wife that I divorced 34 years ago (and with whom I had no children) and she had nothing but nice things to say and then bitched at me for not staying more in touch. Because to this day I am still the only one she can tell all her secrets to. But putting all my egalitarian BS aside, you are usually going to get the best sex from a girl that trusts you and thats what I'm after.

Wow. Finally.

I just bedded a hotttt 20-year old blonde.

I am not that handsome young guy with cash and game.

No, but there it was in my bed a hot 20-year old.

Sex was super hott.

It took some patience but it did happen. I gave her my standard first-date amount and sent her on her way.

We will be talking arrangement details. Let's hope she is not greedy and that this is the beginning of a beautiful arrangement.

Can't wait.

Gods of the Sugar Bowl, thank you for being on my side on this one.

[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;2484601]I tell most girls that I am seeing regularly to think of me as a stepping stone. So make the most of it while you can. Because my history is that its not going to last. But that doesn't mean we can't have a blast for as long as it does. Young girls need mentoring, guidance and good sex (and money). Nothing wrong with that.

I had an x from a few years ago recently thank me for all the help I gave her, financially and with her self esteem. She was a scared little girl when I met her, jumping from man to man. Now she makes her own plans and carries herself like the sexy young lady she always was. They may move on (or we may move them on) but they dont forget. I like to think I am making the world a better place for me and for them.

I know most ppl look down on what we do and have terrible names they like to call us. Some are well intentioned but most are clueless. I was an atm before and found that there were some benefits to that, but mostly I just attracted gold diggers. Now some call me cheap, but I am not cheap with my real world help, the above mentioned instruction (that one day may land them the hubby of their dreams) and a shoulder to lean on in the mean time. As far as I am concerned thats priceless.

Of course we all have our booty call babes (I used her, she used me, but neither one cared) but for a girl to be long term SB she has to be lifting my self esteem as well. And thats the main ingredient in attracting these girls. At least the ones I go after.

I just spoke to my first wife that I divorced 34 years ago (and with whom I had no children) and she had nothing but nice things to say and then bitched at me for not staying more in touch. Because to this day I am still the only one she can tell all her secrets to. But putting all my egalitarian BS aside, you are usually going to get the best sex from a girl that trusts you and thats what I'm after.[/QUOTE]If it were not for those of us with experience, then how would a young, inexperienced lady learn. We should be phd' s in this field. LOL.

Ok. So I know that in the past some of our comrades have frowned upon the Exchange of information on pots and SBs. The reasons are many, but like FM, I am finding a deluge of summertime pots that is becoming unmanageable. I have received more messages from pots looking to meet without me ever even looking at their profiles or trying to contact them. Historically I would get a lot of messages from AA women, but this past week I have been messages from others, including two hot young Asian spinners.

Like FM, my time is limited. I don't want to waste time on pots that are Gps or that are interested in "platonic" friendships only.

I am happy to share info on prior SBs who I no longer see, and on pots I've met but didn't connect with. Of course since we know that the SBs read this forum as well, I am proposing to exchange info via pm to other trusted senior members.

I am currently mainly playing in the DC / VA / MD and Baltimore areas but also have some very limited info on pots in the Tristate region of Philly / S. Jeez / and DE.

Trusted senior members, looking to share info in those regions, please pm me.

As an aside, after renewing my account a few days ago, and being out of commision for the entire memorial day weekend taking care of real life matters, I completed one m&g which resulted in agreement for a FC trip (date tbd because of my crazy schedule), have one m&g scheduled tonight, plans for a FC trip this Friday, and messages with multiple pots interested in a m&g.

I need to be more efficient with my time, since it is so valuable. Others have to be feeling the same way.

Fredmoore please delete some messages from your inbox. Your mailbox is full and I can't respond to your last message.

[QUOTE=MyBudfang;2484773]If it were not for those of us with experience, then how would a young, inexperienced lady learn. We should be phd' s in this field. LOL.[/QUOTE]I have had more than one girl jokingly say they should be paying me.

It's been interesting to read HWG's step process for pursuing SB's. I've developed my own process over time and have found I need to stick to the steps to remember where I am at in the process with the number of Pot's.

My steps (without my specific wording):

1) Introduction: grab their attention and get them to view my profile.

2) Photo exchange: confirm mutual physical attraction.

3) Sugar Dating Experience: build my credibility. Check for their confidence or apprehension.

4) Reasons for being on the site: continue to build my credibility and confirm they are not desperate.

5) Type of Relationship: confirm similar interests (duration, attraction, type of activities, etc).

6) Benefits: confirm interest in benefits beyond financial.

7) Terms of M+G: no pressure M+G with connection between intimacy and financial support.

If a pot is too desperate or has GPS it will shake out in the discussion and I move on.

This has worked very well for me and has many similarities to HWG's steps.

[QUOTE=Madaboutmax;2485510]It's been interesting to read HWG's step process for pursuing SB's. I've developed my own process over time and have found I need to stick to the steps to remember where I am at in the process with the number of Pot's.

My steps (without my specific wording):

1) Introduction: grab their attention and get them to view my profile.

2) Photo exchange: confirm mutual physical attraction.

3) Sugar Dating Experience: build my credibility. Check for their confidence or apprehension.

4) Reasons for being on the site: continue to build my credibility and confirm they are not desperate.

5) Type of Relationship: confirm similar interests (duration, attraction, type of activities, etc).

6) Benefits: confirm interest in benefits beyond financial.

7) Terms of M+G: no pressure M+G with connection between intimacy and financial support.

If a pot is too desperate or has GPS it will shake out in the discussion and I move on.

This has worked very well for me and has many similarities to HWG's steps.[/QUOTE]So in step 7 are you confirming the sugar amount prior to meeting?

[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;2485545]So in step 7 are you confirming the sugar amount prior to meeting?[/QUOTE]No. In step 7 I am making it clear that I will cover the expenses for the M+G, but that financial support comes with intimacy. If a pot is too focused on sugar amounts early on, I write her off as either GPS or desperate and move on. If they aren't willing to exchange several e-mails and get impatient they are either desperate or a pro and I move on.

[QUOTE=Madaboutmax;2485562]No. In step 7 I am making it clear that I will cover the expenses for the M+G, but that financial support comes with intimacy. If a pot is too focused on sugar amounts early on, I write her off as either GPS or desperate and move on. If they aren't willing to exchange several e-mails and get impatient they are either desperate or a pro and I move on.[/QUOTE]I was just wondering if you talk about a predetermined amount of sugar prior to the M&G or wait to get face to face to get specific about the amount. Not the cost of a no sex M&G.

[QUOTE=IluvSmellyFish;2484938]Ok. So I know that in the past some of our comrades have frowned upon the Exchange of information on pots and SBs. The reasons are many, but like FM, I am finding a deluge of summertime pots that is becoming unmanageable. I have received more messages from pots looking to meet without me ever even looking at their profiles or trying to contact them. Historically I would get a lot of messages from AA women, but this past week I have been messages from others, including two hot young Asian spinners.

Like FM, my time is limited. I don't want to waste time on pots that are Gps or that are interested in "platonic" friendships only.

I am happy to share info on prior SBs who I no longer see, and on pots I've met but didn't connect with. Of course since we know that the SBs read this forum as well, I am proposing to exchange info via pm to other trusted senior members.

I am currently mainly playing in the DC / VA / MD and Baltimore areas but also have some very limited info on pots in the Tristate region of Philly / S. Jeez / and DE.

Trusted senior members, looking to share info in those regions, please pm me.

As an aside, after renewing my account a few days ago, and being out of commision for the entire memorial day weekend taking care of real life matters, I completed one m&g which resulted in agreement for a FC trip (date tbd because of my crazy schedule), have one m&g scheduled tonight, plans for a FC trip this Friday, and messages with multiple pots interested in a m&g.

I need to be more efficient with my time, since it is so valuable. Others have to be feeling the same way.[/QUOTE]ILuv,

I am having a similar experience. As a 50 yo AA male in Raleigh, I am being literally overwhelmed with POTs! Some of which are way out of my league in any other forum, to the point I am either ignoring or 'blowing off' more than a few. I am finding the wording of one's profile the key.

[QUOTE=FirstHalf;2483557]You should be able to "report" the post by clicking the link in the bottom left corner of it. Select that's it's yours and put why you want it gone. Admin should oblige. I've done this before.

.[/QUOTE]Thanks but apparently someone was able to do it for me.

[QUOTE=FyrGuy33;2484576]I met a stunning little 20 why / o Asian co-ed (could be Asa Akira's younger sister) last June from SA. Met her for lunch and we hit it off so well it was off to the FC right after. It did not take long to figure out she was very new to not only being a SB, but to sex in general. Being the loving, caring SD that I am, I quickly decided to take on teaching this young lady the ways of pleasing a SD. She went from awful in the FC to a superstar in the FC in a matter of weeks. A young lady who was eager to please, submissive in nature, and who took direction very, very well. Eventually all holes were available. And, all this for $150 + the SS. Usually went for 3 hours and as many loads as I could muster up. I could have fallen in love had we been closer in age. Today, I get the text message we all hate to get. She's not going to be able to see me anymore because she is now in a relationship. I wished her well, told her I was happy for her, and if at some point she is no longer in a relationship and wants to get together, just let me know.

It was great while it lasted. Rarely do we get someone so green that we can mold them into the exact girl in the FC that we want. I will miss her, but as I always say, NEXT![/QUOTE]As much as some of these women are on here to "hit the lottery" you in effect hit the lottery by getting her. Good work. I'm jealous, because I prefer the Asian spinners.

Since I can't put all of HWG's key concepts into texting is it a risk to put the "questionaire" and the "pre-qualify the dollar amount" into the SA message reply box?

Smelly, I am having the same experience in the DC / VA / MD as well. Still quite a few AA women, but also quite a few others. I know I don't have senior status but happy to share my experiences. I'll send you a message with a couple of leads so you at least know who is a sure thing.

[QUOTE=IluvSmellyFish;2484938]Ok. So I know that in the past some of our comrades have frowned upon the Exchange of information on pots and SBs. The reasons are many, but like FM, I am finding a deluge of summertime pots that is becoming unmanageable. I have received more messages from pots looking to meet without me ever even looking at their profiles or trying to contact them. Historically I would get a lot of messages from AA women, but this past week I have been messages from others, including two hot young Asian spinners.

Like FM, my time is limited. I don't want to waste time on pots that are Gps or that are interested in "platonic" friendships only.

I am happy to share info on prior SBs who I no longer see, and on pots I've met but didn't connect with. Of course since we know that the SBs read this forum as well, I am proposing to exchange info via pm to other trusted senior members.

I am currently mainly playing in the DC / VA / MD and Baltimore areas but also have some very limited info on pots in the Tristate region of Philly / S. Jeez / and DE.

Trusted senior members, looking to share info in those regions, please pm me.

As an aside, after renewing my account a few days ago, and being out of commision for the entire memorial day weekend taking care of real life matters, I completed one m&g which resulted in agreement for a FC trip (date tbd because of my crazy schedule), have one m&g scheduled tonight, plans for a FC trip this Friday, and messages with multiple pots interested in a m&g.

I need to be more efficient with my time, since it is so valuable. Others have to be feeling the same way.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=FyrGuy33;2484576]I met a stunning little 20 why / o Asian co-ed (could be Asa Akira's younger sister) last June from SA. Met her for lunch and we hit it off so well it was off to the FC right after. It did not take long to figure out she was very new to not only being a SB, but to sex in general. Being the loving, caring SD that I am, I quickly decided to take on teaching this young lady the ways of pleasing a SD. She went from awful in the FC to a superstar in the FC in a matter of weeks. A young lady who was eager to please, submissive in nature, and who took direction very, very well. Eventually all holes were available. And, all this for $150 + the SS. Usually went for 3 hours and as many loads as I could muster up. I could have fallen in love had we been closer in age. Today, I get the text message we all hate to get. She's not going to be able to see me anymore because she is now in a relationship. I wished her well, told her I was happy for her, and if at some point she is no longer in a relationship and wants to get together, just let me know.

It was great while it lasted. Rarely do we get someone so green that we can mold them into the exact girl in the FC that we want. I will miss her, but as I always say, NEXT![/QUOTE]Sorry it's over, but man, did you hit the jackpot there. That's one of the few disappointments about living where I do. Very few Asians around here.

IluvSmelly and GuyInTheCorner.

I also play in DC / VA / MD and Baltimore areas, and I have TONS of details.

Let's exchange throuigh PM. I just realized I have PM ability. Dang. Good news.

[QUOTE=IluvSmellyFish;2484938]Ok. So I know that in the past some of our comrades have frowned upon the Exchange of information on pots and SBs. The reasons are many, but like FM, I am finding a deluge of summertime pots that is becoming unmanageable. I have received more messages from pots looking to meet without me ever even looking at their profiles or trying to contact them. Historically I would get a lot of messages from AA women, but this past week I have been messages from others, including two hot young Asian spinners.

Like FM, my time is limited. I don't want to waste time on pots that are Gps or that are interested in "platonic" friendships only.

I am happy to share info on prior SBs who I no longer see, and on pots I've met but didn't connect with. Of course since we know that the SBs read this forum as well, I am proposing to exchange info via pm to other trusted senior members.

I am currently mainly playing in the DC / VA / MD and Baltimore areas but also have some very limited info on pots in the Tristate region of Philly / S. Jeez / and DE.

Trusted senior members, looking to share info in those regions, please pm me.

As an aside, after renewing my account a few days ago, and being out of commision for the entire memorial day weekend taking care of real life matters, I completed one m&g which resulted in agreement for a FC trip (date tbd because of my crazy schedule), have one m&g scheduled tonight, plans for a FC trip this Friday, and messages with multiple pots interested in a m&g.

I need to be more efficient with my time, since it is so valuable. Others have to be feeling the same way.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;2485690]I was just wondering if you talk about a predetermined amount of sugar prior to the M&G or wait to get face to face to get specific about the amount. Not the cost of a no sex M&G.[/QUOTE]I try avoid discussion about specific sugar amounts. I let them know there are bigger spenders than me, but I offer other benefits and that previous SB's were very happy. The girls that are okay with this probably fit better with what I am looking for. The girls that push for specific amounts and agreements are usually not a good match.

[QUOTE=Madaboutmax;2486193]I try avoid discussion about specific sugar amounts. I let them know there are bigger spenders than me, but I offer other benefits and that previous SB's were very happy. The girls that are okay with this probably fit better with what I am looking for. The girls that push for specific amounts and agreements are usually not a good match.[/QUOTE]Thanks and I agree that girls usually pushing the amount are over my budget. But since I am on one I always tell them what it is. Thanks Again.

I had been working with a SB in San Diego because I knew I would be in town. We texted, talked, Skyped for almost a month.

She was supposed to spend 3 nights in a row with me once I got to town. About a week and 1/2 out, she stopped communicating. I was so busy, I actually didn't notice.

Then two days before my trip, it hit me that she had flaked out.

So literally the day before I was supposed to leave, I hit up a number of POTS on SA.

My basic line was simple. "I'm in town for 3 nights starting tomorrow, I can't be your full time SD, but you will have fun, I'll cover all expenses and provide minimal spending money. If things go well, we could probably meet once every other month, read my profile and let's chat".

I did not expect it would work with the short notice. I was actually very surprised that ended up hitting on two real hotties.

First was a 35 year old beautiful single mom, divorced Latina, 5'5. Body was a 7, face a 9. 5.

Second was 30 years old, white, cute & nerdy, blonde, 5'2, a slim body and natural big boobs.

Had early dinner with one and late M&G with other when I got in the first night. Both dates ended with some serious kissing at the car and some good feeling each other up. That laid the groundwork for the 2nd dates.

Did the TiggaBounce overnight with the hot blonde on 2nd night. She was very much in to sports so the overnight date started at a local sports bar watching games and eating bar food.

Had a super spicy TiggaBounce with the Latina the 3rd night. She was awesome. Started with dinner at a very casual local restaurant. Walked over to a bakery for dessert, then to the room for the grand ending.

San Diego has impressed me. I may have to come back and visit. Reminded me of my St. Louis trip. Both young ladies would like to come visit once I get back to my area.

Like normal, the First meeting I gave small gifts and gas money, 2nd night more of a regular donation. No complaints by either.

I never did hear from the original sb and I had an old flame fly in for the weekend to top the trip off the right way.

BigTigg.

As a side note. Was referred to the "Tinder" app by a sb. I've browsed, not sure I'm going to take the plunge, but it has potential.

A brand new SA member, a reasonably hot 19 year old SB, popped up on my scan tonight. Claims to be a single mother and just divorced and she favored me after I viewed her profile, so I dove right in.

[URL]https://www.seekingarrangement.com/member/ee102eae/view?conversation-inbox[/URL]

Got to step 3 of the 5 step process ie.

"So let me ask you another question. Are you looking for the highest bidder? Because If you're going for top dollar. That won't be me. I am sure you are. Or will get offers of 200 to 300 a date (lots of them) . And you may need at least that much just to tolerate the guys offering it. But if you are willing to take less to be with a more chill, good looking guy (for my age that is) then we might be able to make it work".

Most of the time the response is "what did you have in mind" or something like that.

Her response was "How much do you typically pay per date? My price tag usually runs at $800, but I drop it for some".

I'm stumped on how to respond. I'm assuming that my standard offer in step 4 of $100 per date will be laughed at. Should I go ahead and offer her the standard and see?

[blue]We have the same problem down here in Argentina. I always tell them I only wanted a couple hours, I wasn't planning on taking them away for a week. It never works, but it makes me feel better. GPS is GPS and chicks that charge that much rarely are worth it. Most of them are convinced that they are so hot, and you are so lucky to just have them there that showing up is all they need to do.

Mis dos centavos

A2[/blue]

[QUOTE=JoeBogus;2488741]A brand new SA member, a reasonably hot 19 year old SB, popped up on my scan tonight. Claims to be a single mother and just divorced and she favored me after I viewed her profile, so I dove right in.

[URL]https://www.seekingarrangement.com/member/ee102eae/view?conversation-inbox[/URL]

Got to step 3 of the 5 step process ie.

"So let me ask you another question. Are you looking for the highest bidder? Because If you're going for top dollar. That won't be me. I am sure you are. Or will get offers of 200 to 300 a date (lots of them) . And you may need at least that much just to tolerate the guys offering it. But if you are willing to take less to be with a more chill, good looking guy (for my age that is) then we might be able to make it work".

Most of the time the response is "what did you have in mind" or something like that.

Her response was "How much do you typically pay per date? My price tag usually runs at $800, but I drop it for some".

I'm stumped on how to respond. I'm assuming that my standard offer in step 4 of $100 per date will be laughed at. Should I go ahead and offer her the standard and see?

[/QUOTE]I have chatted with Lan** awhile ago on AF before she enrolled on SA. She gave me her number: (208)*4495. Google tells me that's a Burley, Idaho number. She is either a fairly loose UTR or possibly something a little worse. I recommend you proceed with caution.

BAM.

My experience on SA has been pretty good overall. Utilizing the 5 step process, modified just a bit, has increased my results and lowered my date amounts. Props to Hollywoodguy!

There's still the occasional flake / no show, but that's common even in the "regular" dating world.

Felt like I had to share a recent experience, as this girl ended up being off the top of the charts in just about every way.

Started talking to her a coule weeks ago. No discussion of sugar amount though, admittedly on this one I didn't utilize the 5 steps. She contacted me first. Straight to texting after a couple messages on SA. Quickly escalated to playful sexy type conversations. We setup for this Wednesday to meet. Which she had to change Wednesday morning. Red flag popped up assuming she was flaking. That thought was relieved for me a bit after she gave me a sexy show via Skype. Rescheduled for Friday.

Now for the good part. Still no sugar discussion to this point. Picked her up early Friday morning, and first impression was damn she is better than her pics. AA girl, just 19 yrs old. 5'6-5'7, 36 d's and an ass that is unreal! If there's a more amazing site than 36 d's on a 19 yr old body, I'm not sure what it would be. Booty that's Not too firm / muscular, and not too soft. Tiny waist with a tight flat tummy. Beautiful face too. Maybe 8 face, borderline 10 body, and in the bed, well I'll get to that part.

Picked up coffee, and straight to the FC. We're in the room maybe 10 minutes before she's stripped down to bra and panties and.

She's clawing at my crotch. Without getting into too many details, the next 6 hours was a blur of sex that I'd say was top 3 I've ever had. I haven't experienced her kind of enthusiasm in a while. Every position imaginable. And now the unicorn part, she's a squirter, loves to be choked (which I really dig) can deep throat like a champ, zero gag reflex, and I'm not small by any measure. AND she wanted to be tied up, (which she had mentioned in texts). Good thing I had a few extra ties with me. All that plus a body that is worthy of a magazine spread. Amazing.

We fucked in just about every location I could think of in the room. I'm surprised management didn't show up she was so loud. Really was into calling me daddy. Finally wore her out and had her begging me to fuck her more and begging me to stop at the same time.

After a shower and a final pop for me in the shower, from her amazing oral skills, I dropped her at her work. She asks if I can give her a few bucks for her to get something to eat. I gave her a $20. She already texting me asking when she can have more of daddy's dick.

[QUOTE=JoeBogus;2488741]Got to step 3 of the 5 step process ie.

"So let me ask you another question. Are you looking for the highest bidder? Because If you're going for top dollar. That won't be me. I am sure you are. Or will get offers of 200 to 300 a date (lots of them) . And you may need at least that much just to tolerate the guys offering it. But if you are willing to take less to be with a more chill, good looking guy (for my age that is) then we might be able to make it work".

Most of the time the response is "what did you have in mind" or something like that.

Her response was "How much do you typically pay per date? My price tag usually runs at $800, but I drop it for some".

I'm stumped on how to respond. [/QUOTE]Wow. It's great that you get that much per date, but that's out of my league. Thanks for responding and good luck in your search.

[QUOTE=JoeBogus;2488741]A brand new SA member, a reasonably hot 19 year old SB, popped up on my scan tonight. Claims to be a single mother and just divorced and she favored me after I viewed her profile, so I dove right in.

[URL]https://www.seekingarrangement.com/member/ee102eae/view?conversation-inbox[/URL]

Got to step 3 of the 5 step process ie.

"So let me ask you another question. Are you looking for the highest bidder? Because If you're going for top dollar. That won't be me. I am sure you are. Or will get offers of 200 to 300 a date (lots of them) . And you may need at least that much just to tolerate the guys offering it. But if you are willing to take less to be with a more chill, good looking guy (for my age that is) then we might be able to make it work".

Most of the time the response is "what did you have in mind" or something like that.

Her response was "How much do you typically pay per date? My price tag usually runs at $800, but I drop it for some".

I'm stumped on how to respond. I'm assuming that my standard offer in step 4 of $100 per date will be laughed at. Should I go ahead and offer her the standard and see?

[blue]We have the same problem down here in Argentina. I always tell them I only wanted a couple hours, I wasn't planning on taking them away for a week. It never works, but it makes me feel better. GPS is GPS and chicks that charge that much rarely are worth it. Most of them are convinced that they are so hot, and you are so lucky to just have them there that showing up is all they need to do.

Mis dos centavos

A2[/blue][/QUOTE]We've discussed this before on the board, but GPS is a disease with only a few causes I can think and only one reason can be cured, but they need to make that decision. There is little we can do to help. Just be polite and hope they see the light and return at a later date.

The only good reason I can think of is that they are new and believe some of the articles and testimonials they have seen making girls believe there is a young good looking billionaire (ie Christian Grey) waiting to spoil them. Eventually most realize this isn't realistic. Some will adjust their expectations. Others will disappear disillusioned.

I usually tell them I'm sorry that they are beyond my budget and wish then the best on their search. Several have come back weeks or months later willing to meet and appreciative that I was so polite.

How does the saying go? "Do no harm".

Add her to the "ignore" list and move on. No way that coochie is worth $800.

Check back in with her in a month after GPS has worn off.

[QUOTE=JoeBogus;2488741]A brand new SA member, a reasonably hot 19 year old SB, popped up on my scan tonight. Claims to be a single mother and just divorced and she favored me after I viewed her profile, so I dove right in.

[URL]https://www.seekingarrangement.com/member/ee102eae/view?conversation-inbox[/URL]

Got to step 3 of the 5 step process ie.

"So let me ask you another question. Are you looking for the highest bidder? Because If you're going for top dollar. That won't be me. I am sure you are. Or will get offers of 200 to 300 a date (lots of them) . And you may need at least that much just to tolerate the guys offering it. But if you are willing to take less to be with a more chill, good looking guy (for my age that is) then we might be able to make it work".

Most of the time the response is "what did you have in mind" or something like that.

Her response was "How much do you typically pay per date? My price tag usually runs at $800, but I drop it for some".

I'm stumped on how to respond. I'm assuming that my standard offer in step 4 of $100 per date will be laughed at. Should I go ahead and offer her the standard and see?

[blue]We have the same problem down here in Argentina. I always tell them I only wanted a couple hours, I wasn't planning on taking them away for a week. It never works, but it makes me feel better. GPS is GPS and chicks that charge that much rarely are worth it. Most of them are convinced that they are so hot, and you are so lucky to just have them there that showing up is all they need to do.

Mis dos centavos

A2[/blue][/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;2489194]Wow. It's great that you get that much per date, but that's out of my league. Thanks for responding and good luck in your search.[/QUOTE]If the girl counters with something like, "well how much are you offering".

I always reply with "I don't really negotiate and here's why. I feel every girl is worth what she perceives her value to be. , whatever that is. If I tell you that you are worth less, then your opinion of me is going be less as well. And I don't see that as an ideal place to start a relationship of any kind".

I see no value in trying to talk to girls with real GPS or that are clueless or wishful thinkers. By the looks of the girl in the profile that started this I would say she is more on the clueless wishful thinker side. When they look like SI swimsuit models I get it. They are used to guys offering them all sorts of things from a very young age. But this girl is not in our universe.

This exchange is more typical than you may imagine. Without trying to overthink things I just stick to the script and it works time and time again. This is a slam dunk, but I get a lot of those.

ME. Sent my intro message (step 1).

HER REPLY. How are you? You wanted me to email you so I'm doing it.

ME. Sent my 3 reasons message and my pics (step 2).

HER REPLY. Well, that was all very well explained. I liked the pictures by the way! I would say I need 1 and 3. Also, I can meet you in June. What do you need?

ME. Sent step 3 message prefaced by "you mean besides a pretty girl at my side?

HER REPLY. Well how much are you thinking then?

ME: Sent step 4 message.

HER REPLY. Well that makes sense. It's a fair amount. We could meet next week.

ME: Sent step 5 message prefaced by "btw... I only date 18-22 pretty girls like you. It's just my preference".

HER REPLY. In short she says she is comfortable with my M&G and FC plans if it goes that far.

I realize that in my area I have an ocean to fish in. But girls are girls from coast to coast.

I want to thank everyone here for their advise and council. Here is how this went down after she mentioned $800.

I give her the standard step 4 answer "I offer a gift of $100 a date once we reach an arrangement. Blah blah blah".

She says "I can do $200 & yes baby, I completely understand. & I want to build a chemistry between us. ".

I say "That's out of my league. But good luck in your search".

She says "I can do $100 a date".

So I give her my step 5 speech.

This morning I texted her about setting up a m&g and she says, I'm busy now but 6 or 7 o'clock at 2**00 Dixie Highway works for me. So I put the address into Google and It's a hotel, a local Bed and Breakfast. Go figure.

So in a few short hours she went from out of reach to suggesting we go right to the FC.

God, I love this job.

I know I'm used to providers, UTR and flagrant. I was going back and forth with a girl, go frustrated and dumped her over the side. Then I added this to my profile:

[I]If you're just putting your toe in the water and don't know what you want, please don't contact me. I'm sure you'll have plenty of suitors but I'm not interested in endless texts, messages or other bullshit. [/I]

Now all I get are UTR and Pro. Guess I shouldn't be surprised. I just don't have the time you guys have. Maybe next year.

[QUOTE=JoeBogus;2489493]I want to thank everyone here for their advise and council. Here is how this went down after she mentioned $800.

I give her the standard step 4 answer "I offer a gift of $100 a date once we reach an arrangement. Blah blah blah".

She says "I can do $200 & yes baby, I completely understand. & I want to build a chemistry between us. ".

I say "That's out of my league. But good luck in your search".

She says "I can do $100 a date".

So I give her my step 5 speech.

This morning I texted her about setting up a m&g and she says, I'm busy now but 6 or 7 o'clock at 2**00 Dixie Highway works for me. So I put the address into Google and It's a hotel, a local Bed and Breakfast. Go figure.

So in a few short hours she went from out of reach to suggesting we go right to the FC.

God, I love this job.[/QUOTE]They used to say "all the good men are taken" then they started saying "well he's probably gay". Now it's "well he's probably just paying for it". Damn straight. Unless they are headed to eHarmony I don't see how any girl over 30 is going to get any guy with a decent job and an ounce of game. Unless the guy just happens to have a MILF fetish or seriously wants to get married.

No offence but after reading this thread and putting in at most a few months time (even from ground zero), if you aren't scoring you must really be boring. Because looks, size and skills are all important on some level, but sugar + personality = pussy. And with enough sugar you dont even need that. But this thread is for guys that want to leverage some of their good qualities and a reasonable amount of sugar to get what they want. So if you have those qualities, no matter how under appreciated you may have been by someone in your past or present, dont let that stop you from venturing out of your comfort zone. Because these girls are desperate (and i repeat, desperate) to have fun.