General Reports

[QUOTE=Chubbington;2640220]I've got 3 UTRs I see, normally 1 or 2 times / month. All are former dancers, and it may come with the territory but they all try to get something extra / free at least every 3rd visit or so. One I've been seeing for about a year and seems like a typical provider. Always has a sob story, will talk way too much (and usually too loud), most likely is on something when I see her but I'm a little ignorant of picking up on rec. Side effects. The one I've been seeing longest (at least 7 years I just found out) used to be the same way until she learned that we can just get together, take care of things, and she can be on her way that much faster without all the inserted drama. Now, she still calls me up for random gas / food / bill money, but not as often as she used to.

Maybe it's part of an UTR code that they'll ask for more / take you for granted along the way. We're likely conditioned to give in, although there have been times I really wanted to ask "are you fucking kidding me?" because I would never have the balls to ask for some of the things I've heard.[/QUOTE]There is no code. You're talking about pretty girls that have spent their entire lives using their looks and their bodies to get what they want from men. It's no mystery why they try this crap. They do it because it has worked for them in the past.

[QUOTE=Voltron94;2640300]There is no code. You're talking about pretty girls that have spent their entire lives using their looks and their bodies to get what they want from men. It's no mystery why they try this crap. They do it because it has worked for them in the past.[/QUOTE]"I have been through the long time UTR. Voltron. You are exactly right. The longer the relationship the more bold they get asking for things that in the beginning of the relationship would have been ridiculous. I learned that you have to tell them in the beginning it is a business relationship. Pay as you go. With no extra help in any way. They will always test you of course. A few good rules when dealing with them: never help in anyway. Do not buy them gifts. Do not make any deals with them. If they call you asking for help. Hang up on them. If they are coming over to your residence without being invited. Threaten to call the police or threaten to spray them with the garden hose. If they are not giving you good service. Give them one chance to change. If they don't change don't call them for a month, usually that will straighten them out. If bad service continues never call again. These women do not care about you only about their drugs or kids. No amount of help will save them until they hit rock bottom. All women will use you if they can. If you give in then they will think you are week and either use you more or find someone else to screw they respect.

[QUOTE=Bogart100;2641328]"I have been through the long time UTR. Voltron. You are exactly right. The longer the relationship the more bold they get asking for things that in the beginning of the relationship would have been ridiculous. I learned that you have to tell them in the beginning it is a business relationship. Pay as you go. With no extra help in any way. They will always test you of course. A few good rules when dealing with them: never help in anyway. Do not buy them gifts. Do not make any deals with them. If they call you asking for help. Hang up on them. If they are coming over to your residence without being invited. Threaten to call the police or threaten to spray them with the garden hose. If they are not giving you good service. Give them one chance to change. If they don't change don't call them for a month, usually that will straighten them out. If bad service continues never call again. These women do not care about you only about their drugs or kids. No amount of help will save them until they hit rock bottom. All women will use you if they can. If you give in then they will think you are week and either use you more or find someone else to screw they respect.[/QUOTE]Before anything else, let's back up and address one point. Why in the world would you let any provider (UTR or otherwise) have your real name, number, and home address? Get yourself a burner phone, a hobby pseudonym, and learn the term "incall". You have to protect your identity with providers the same way they protect theirs with clients. My burner is turned off if I am not actively trying to contact a provider. I do not answer calls that I am not expecting. I would never have providers in my home, nor would I see them in a hotel room registered in my name.

Unless you're offering money to women you already knew personally, there is no reason they need your real info or vice versa. If something goes bad, I'm a name that doesn't exist calling from a number registered to nobody. You are engaging in a specific and illegal exchange of sex for money. That is not a relationship, business or otherwise. At best, it is a discreet ongoing or recurring arrangement in which you pay for her services and her discretion. Just don't ever trust her with the latter part.

[QUOTE=Voltron94;2642108]Before anything else, let's back up and address one point. Why in the world would you let any provider (UTR or otherwise) have your real name, number, and home address? Get yourself a burner phone, a hobby pseudonym, and learn the term "incall". You have to protect your identity with providers the same way they protect theirs with clients. My burner is turned off if I am not actively trying to contact a provider. I do not answer calls that I am not expecting. I would never have providers in my home, nor would I see them in a hotel room registered in my name.

Unless you're offering money to women you already knew personally, there is no reason they need your real info or vice versa. If something goes bad, I'm a name that doesn't exist calling from a number registered to nobody. You are engaging in a specific and illegal exchange of sex for money. That is not a relationship, business or otherwise. At best, it is a discreet ongoing or recurring arrangement in which you pay for her services and her discretion. Just don't ever trust her with the latter part.[/QUOTE]"Of course you would never initially invite someone to your residence, give out your real name, etc. - that would be quite foolish. Every provider / client situation is different. The typical girl on BP or dancer is not someone who should ever know your real identity. If you have seen someone several times over a few months there is nothing wrong / dangerous with inviting her to your residence. Quite the contrary. The advantages in this is that it pretty much takes the LE issue out of the equation and other problems associated with meeting someone at a motel room (outcall. LOL). It is no different than loaning a GF money or buying gifts for a mistress. Normally you would also get a better rate since she is not springing for a room.

There are upscale providers with so many reviews and / or listed on verification sites - (P411, date-check) that you could initially feel comfortable within your residence. There are also providers that are what I would call "part timers" who have regular jobs and just need extra cash for whatever that can be trusted. In the end it is judgment call that should be made with great care and forethought. If you ever situation in life (marital status / occupation) is critical to remaining anonymous then by all means you should always stay cloaked in the relationship.

Would this same line of thinking apply to someone you met at a bar or club? You don't know them and they don't know you. Even though there is no LE element in play, the bottom line is-do you still remain anonymous. I live in an outlying area and do not see a lot of providers, so not everyone is coming to my residence. If you and provider live close to each other and it would be easier for her to come to you, so be it.

This is one situation that you cannot paint with a broad brush or to think that everyone has to agree with what you are saying or they are wrong. My arrangement works for me without hassles, drama, etc.

[QUOTE=Bogart100;2644403]"Of course you would never initially invite someone to your residence, give out your real name, etc. - that would be quite foolish. Every provider / client situation is different. The typical girl on BP or dancer is not someone who should ever know your real identity. If you have seen someone several times over a few months there is nothing wrong / dangerous with inviting her to your residence. Quite the contrary. The advantages in this is that it pretty much takes the LE issue out of the equation and other problems associated with meeting someone at a motel room (outcall. LOL). It is no different than loaning a GF money or buying gifts for a mistress. Normally you would also get a better rate since she is not springing for a room.

There are upscale providers with so many reviews and / or listed on verification sites - (P411, date-check) that you could initially feel comfortable within your residence. There are also providers that are what I would call "part timers" who have regular jobs and just need extra cash for whatever that can be trusted. In the end it is judgment call that should be made with great care and forethought. If you ever situation in life (marital status / occupation) is critical to remaining anonymous then by all means you should always stay cloaked in the relationship.[/QUOTE]

You guys seem to have forgotten what kicked this discussion off. Being asked for money or favors by providers that have gotten comfortable. Bogart even brought up someone calling or showing up at his home. None of this has to be dealt with if you protect your identity and don't bring them to your home. These are easily preventable problems.

I'm not saying it can't work the other way. It can. It just carries more risk if it turns bad.

You guys can take whatever risks you are comfortable with. But maybe the reason these providers are treating it like a personal relationship is because you're doing the same. Food for thought.

[QUOTE=Voltron94;2644980] But maybe the reason these providers are treating it like a personal relationship is because you're doing the same. Food for thought.[/QUOTE]This could very well be the reason.

Hey guys I was invited to join some extended family on a trip to Huntsville. We will be in a suite near the rocket center so someone with incall is necessary. I have been reading the forum and other places and will continue to research so no need for any RTFFs thanks. LOL. My free time will be limited to a few hours Friday night Saturday night and maybe Sunday morning. So I am wanting to visit one or two of the good ones. The freakier the better. Any info on BP CL or even UTR would be greatly appreciated. I know you guys are living in provider paradise there. If I can ever help you guys on a Knoxville trip just let me know. Feel free to PM.

If I were you I would call Nora at RCC. She has friends who can help you feel like you are in a dreamworld. Robyn, Cindy etc. Her number is (256) XXX-5701. Good luck. PokeHerPlayer.

[QUOTE=Sexhoundtn2;2670586]Hey guys I was invited to join some extended family on a trip to Huntsville. We will be in a suite near the rocket center so someone with incall is necessary. I have been reading the forum and other places and will continue to research so no need for any RTFFs thanks. LOL. My free time will be limited to a few hours Friday night Saturday night and maybe Sunday morning. So I am wanting to visit one or two of the good ones. The freakier the better. Any info on BP CL or even UTR would be greatly appreciated. I know you guys are living in provider paradise there. If I can ever help you guys on a Knoxville trip just let me know. Feel free to PM.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Sexhoundtn2;2670586]Hey guys I was invited to join some extended family on a trip to Huntsville. We will be in a suite near the rocket center so someone with incall is necessary. I have been reading the forum and other places and will continue to research so no need for any RTFFs thanks. LOL. My free time will be limited to a few hours Friday night Saturday night and maybe Sunday morning. So I am wanting to visit one or two of the good ones. The freakier the better. Any info on BP CL or even UTR would be greatly appreciated. I know you guys are living in provider paradise there. If I can ever help you guys on a Knoxville trip just let me know. Feel free to PM.[/QUOTE]RCC is the route to go unless you're looking for something specific that isn't part of a standard GFE. Attractive girls, good skills & attitudes, decent incall, easy setup, low risk, reasonable rates.

Mallory is a decent option if you're looking for someone a little more wild & adventurous, but I'm pretty vanilla so it all depends what flavor of "freakiness" you're looking for.

So I've seen her a couple of times and I also saw the drama playing out on BP a while back.

Has anyone seen her since that all went down? Is she still an option?

[QUOTE=LeeJack;2672410]So I've seen her a couple of times and I also saw the drama playing out on BP a while back.

Has anyone seen her since that all went down? Is she still an option?[/QUOTE]Ever since that stuff happened she's never posted on a day that I was looking to play. Your best bet is probably to try the number from her last BP posting and ask.

Let me know what you find out. She was always a real sweetheart to me, and I'd love to see her again.

[QUOTE=PipeLayer;2703611]Maybe I should have posted this here. Did anyone else get this PM about a new monger site?[/QUOTE]I did not receive one.

Just be sure to call, don't email her. I didn't realize that an email and a text is the same thing, and now I'm on her bad list.

[QUOTE=LeeJack;2672410]So I've seen her a couple of times and I also saw the drama playing out on BP a while back.

Has anyone seen her since that all went down? Is she still an option?[/QUOTE]