"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

Posted earlier about POT #1, with some concerns (and also an inability to properly type on my phone):

[QUOTE=Zcochran00;2468613]The lack of contact info, the existing hotel location, and the repeated uses of "babe" make me think she's a pro instead of an SB. Any thoughts or suggestions a.[/QUOTE]So, again following up on my own post: did meet up with her tonight. The good news is that my concerns were unfounded. She is definitely genuine. The bad news is that due to my own stupidity, we did NOT actually get to the FC.

We'd originally agreed via messages to meet at 9. When I asked if she had a place to meet, she suggested a particular hotel, and I agreed. Later, after my second thoughts, I suggested we meet for coffee nearby first. When she replied, she said she'd gotten a room at a different hotel right there. So far, so good. Before I left, I took to heart some security advice I'd recently been given, and emptied out most of my wallet. Including my I'd. This would prove to be an issue.

Got to the coffee shop and sat down to wait. The place was empty. About 9:15, I got a call from the hotel, and she said she'd be over in a couple minutes.

Sure enough, she showed up a few minutes later. We started talking, and I quickly determined she was as advertised. Smaller-town girl, somewhat plain, just looking for help with the bills.

I suggested we head back to her room, and here's where things started to go off the rails a bit. Apparently she and a friend had gotten the room together, she had expected the friend to be gone for a while, but the friend was back in the room. So, no go there. I pulled out my phone and did some quick searching in the area, but options were noticeably pricier than when I'd looked earlier. She said she knew some other hotels in the area that might be cheaper, so we headed out to my car.

She directed me through a town she was obviously very familiar with, and we eventually got to a small non-chain hotel. I walked up to the office. And they had no vacancies. Strike #1.

Second try: she knew another small hotel just down the road. Got there, and again, no vacancies. Weird. Strike #2.

Third try: we went to a third fairly small hotel there in town. I walked up to the office and asked about vacancies. This time the guy said they did have some rooms. I pulled out my wallet. And realized I didn't have my I'd. Oops. Strike #3, I'm out.

Went back to the car and told her about the issue, and told her I'd just have to drop her back off and we'd try again another night. She told me she was really hoping to do something tonight, as she had an electric bill due soon. Since it was my fault that we couldn't get a room, I told her I'd go ahead and give her something to help cover that.

So, we drove back to the place where we'd met, and I gave her 80 to help cover her bill. We'll try again soon, and next time I'll make sure the room is taken care of beforehand (and also make sure I actually have my I'd).

Meanwhile, doing some messaging with POT #2. Been using HWG's 5 Steps as a starting point. After asking about her expectations, she replied:

[QUOTE]It depends on how long you want to hang out....probably $400 a week or each time we date until we are established...[/QUOTE]I saw that and of course immediately thought "Oh, that's not a good start". But then, just a few minutes later, she followed up with:

[QUOTE]Is that a bad answer?[/QUOTE]Haven't gotten back to her yet, but at least she may be open to something lower.

So yeah, the sugar journey has begun. POT #1's probably only a 5 or so, but at least she's an option for me until I can add a few more to the list.

Like a few others here I'm from SW OH. LEO is making a big push in this area to root out escorts, SWs and mongers leading up to the All Star game being played in Cinci this July.

I've now turned three MILF POTS into active SBs in about a month. More than enough to keep me from mongering anytime soon.

Thanks to all on this thread for your guidance.

Stay safe.

[QUOTE=JoeBogus;2470058]Like a few others here I'm from SW OH. LEO is making a big push in this area to root out escorts, SWs and mongers leading up to the All Star game being played in Cinci this July.

I've now turned three MILF POTS into active SBs in about a month. More than enough to keep me from mongering anytime soon.

Thanks to all on this thread for your guidance.

Stay safe.[/QUOTE]Yeah, that's an excellent point. Looks like it's a great time to be switching sides of the hobby.

Out of curiosity: how do you guys define when someone becomes a "POT" and when someone officially becomes an "SB"? Initial messages, agreement to meet, first M&G, first FC visit, second FC visit?

[QUOTE=FirstHalf;2468814]Click here:

[POST=2421088]A summary of Thresh's first ADC order[/POST][/QUOTE]Thanks, but have to have ten characters to make this message according to the site.

You may be too much of a gentleman to ask, but your situation could have been resovled with a gentle request for a car date (e. G. If you were really hoping we could do something tonight, I was as well. Maybe we could find a spot and take it back to like we were back in highschool).

Another option would have been to have her use her id for the room and put your credit card on file.

I treat each meeting like a training session. I try to never set a precedent that I don't want repeated since there are some situations I want to avoid at all costs (e. G. But you helped me out with my bills before, why are things any different now when I have my period and can't perform, etc.). This of course is based on being burned in the past. And even when a girl complains, when you explain that you were burned in the past by a prior baby, they tend to be ok.

Also, I tend to be more risk averse and generally don't take my drivers license to first meet and greets either. I do leave it in the locked glove compartment of my car. First, I don't want to get pulled over without my DL and to also avoid situations like you described.

Just my two cents.

[QUOTE=Zcochran00;2469222]Posted earlier about POT #1, with some concerns (and also an inability to properly type on my phone):

So, again following up on my own post: did meet up with her tonight. The good news is that my concerns were unfounded. She is definitely genuine. The bad news is that due to my own stupidity, we did NOT actually get to the FC.

We'd originally agreed via messages to meet at 9. When I asked if she had a place to meet, she suggested a particular hotel, and I agreed. Later, after my second thoughts, I suggested we meet for coffee nearby first. When she replied, she said she'd gotten a room at a different hotel right there. So far, so good. Before I left, I took to heart some security advice I'd recently been given, and emptied out most of my wallet. Including my I'd. This would prove to be an issue.

Got to the coffee shop and sat down to wait. The place was empty. About 9:15, I got a call from the hotel, and she said she'd be over in a couple minutes.

Sure enough, she showed up a few minutes later. We started talking, and I quickly determined she was as advertised. Smaller-town girl, somewhat plain, just looking for help with the bills.

I suggested we head back to her room, and here's where things started to go off the rails a bit. Apparently she and a friend had gotten the room together, she had expected the friend to be gone for a while, but the friend was back in the room. So, no go there. I pulled out my phone and did some quick searching in the area, but options were noticeably pricier than when I'd looked earlier. She said she knew some other hotels in the area that might be cheaper, so we headed out to my car.

She directed me through a town she was obviously very familiar with, and we eventually got to a small non-chain hotel. I walked up to the office. And they had no vacancies. Strike #1.

Second try: she knew another small hotel just down the road. Got there, and again, no vacancies. Weird. Strike #2.

Third try: we went to a third fairly small hotel there in town. I walked up to the office and asked about vacancies. This time the guy said they did have some rooms. I pulled out my wallet. And realized I didn't have my I'd. Oops. Strike #3, I'm out.

Went back to the car and told her about the issue, and told her I'd just have to drop her back off and we'd try again another night. She told me she was really hoping to do something tonight, as she had an electric bill due soon. Since it was my fault that we couldn't get a room, I told her I'd go ahead and give her something to help cover that.

So, we drove back to the place where we'd met, and I gave her 80 to help cover her bill. We'll try again soon, and next time I'll make sure the room is taken care of beforehand (and also make sure I actually have my I'd).

Meanwhile, doing some messaging with POT #2. Been using HWG's 5 Steps as a starting point. After asking about her expectations, she replied:

I saw that and of course immediately thought "Oh, that's not a good start". But then, just a few minutes later, she followed up with:

Haven't gotten back to her yet, but at least she may be open to something lower.

So yeah, the sugar journey has begun. POT #1's probably only a 5 or so, but at least she's an option for me until I can add a few more to the list.[/QUOTE]

A couple of months back, I messaged THE BARONESS near Richmond, whose photos bore a striking resemblance to Luscious Leah, from Avenue X and Date Check. She quoted me some outrageous price to come to me (about and hour away) and I said no thanks.

She messages me today completely out of the blue, forgetting we ever discussed this.

Me.

We emailed off-line, about you coming to me since I don't travel to Richmond.

1 hour ago The Baroness.

I told you I can if you cover expenses and allowance.

Yes which is well beyond my means. I had a mind altering overnight experience last week in Philadelphia for the grand sum of $500 that would be perfectly happy doing that on a monthly basis. Don't really see the point in doubling my expense for a similar experience.

56 minutes ago The Baroness.

I can do that if you come here.

I can't come to you even for a few hours, let alone an overnight. As much as I would love to, it just doesn't fit into my life.

51 minutes ago The Baroness.

Well for 500 plus rental car and you take care of the hotel. Something nice like Keswick (FYI 5 star resort for those who don't know) and only for a short period during the day.

Again as I said $500 gets me overnight already with a total freak. Why would I do a short stay and shell out $300 for Keswick and shell out a rental car?

17 minutes ago The Baroness.

Ok good luck then. Have fun. I was already discounting for you. You get what you pay for. Everyone finds their level.

Then the ***** blocks me!

I was chatting regularly with a nice 19 yo back in January, talked and emailed for a week or two. Very good communication and seemed promising. The day of the m&g, she backs out with very little communication afterwards other than famly stuff. That is till two wks ago, she hits me up in desperation. I didn't have time for dinner, drinks, fc as usual however being a caring gentleman, I told her I could help her out if she was comfortable with some alone time after we met. Met at a store parking lot, she got in my car, we talked a bit there, I asked if comfy to go for drive. Went to another public place, just more quiet and talked some more. She remembered the 3 keys to a good relationship discussion from Jan., I was impressed (THANKS HWG! Moved to a very quiet spot for some alone time. Unwrapped a very nice package, she let me know she couldn't catch but with some gentle talking and warning, she did a very nice job. We both left happy. Next trip to the fc for some more exploration. Love a baby that wants to please. They help us, we help them, isn't that how its supposed to work?

[QUOTE=IluvSmellyFish;2470644]You may be too much of a gentleman to ask, but your situation could have been resovled with a gentle request for a car date (e. G. If you were really hoping we could do something tonight, I was as well. Maybe we could find a spot and take it back to like we were back in highschool).

Another option would have been to have her use her id for the room and put your credit card on file.

I treat each meeting like a training session. I try to never set a precedent that I don't want repeated since there are some situations I want to avoid at all costs (e. G. But you helped me out with my bills before, why are things any different now when I have my period and can't perform, etc.). This of course is based on being burned in the past. And even when a girl complains, when you explain that you were burned in the past by a prior baby, they tend to be ok.

Also, I tend to be more risk averse and generally don't take my drivers license to first meet and greets either. I do leave it in the locked glove compartment of my car. First, I don't want to get pulled over without my DL and to also avoid situations like you described.

Just my two cents.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=IluvSmellyFish;2470644]You may be too much of a gentleman to ask, but your situation could have been resovled with a gentle request for a car date (e. G. If you were really hoping we could do something tonight, I was as well. Maybe we could find a spot and take it back to like we were back in highschool).

Another option would have been to have her use her id for the room and put your credit card on file.

I treat each meeting like a training session. I try to never set a precedent that I don't want repeated since there are some situations I want to avoid at all costs (e. G. But you helped me out with my bills before, why are things any different now when I have my period and can't perform, etc.). This of course is based on being burned in the past. And even when a girl complains, when you explain that you were burned in the past by a prior baby, they tend to be ok.

Also, I tend to be more risk averse and generally don't take my drivers license to first meet and greets either. I do leave it in the locked glove compartment of my car. First, I don't want to get pulled over without my DL and to also avoid situations like you described.

Just my two cents.[/QUOTE]Some useful points. Thanks.

Yeah, the car date thing just never even occurred to me. Never done anything like that before. Part of me is turned on by the idea, part of me finds it kinda sleazy, and the rest of me is busy trying to figure out the mechanics of physical arrangements in a compact car.

I do understand the arguments for no sugar without physical contact. In this case, though, I don't regret my decision. It was my mistake that meant we couldn't get a room, she was entirely ready to do stuff with me, and it was my choice to give her something rather than her asking for an advance. Worst case, I'm out 80. Oh well.

In the meantime, today and tomorrow are looking decidedly interesting. Will report on things later.

[QUOTE=ArcherSterling;2470677]A couple of months back, I messaged THE BARONESS near Richmond, whose photos bore a striking resemblance to Luscious Leah, from Avenue X and Date Check. She quoted me some outrageous price to come to me (about and hour away) and I said no thanks.

She messages me today completely out of the blue, forgetting we ever discussed this.

Me.

We emailed off-line, about you coming to me since I don't travel to Richmond.

1 hour ago The Baroness.

I told you I can if you cover expenses and allowance.

Yes which is well beyond my means. I had a mind altering overnight experience last week in Philadelphia for the grand sum of $500 that would be perfectly happy doing that on a monthly basis. Don't really see the point in doubling my expense for a similar experience.

56 minutes ago The Baroness.

I can do that if you come here.

I can't come to you even for a few hours, let alone an overnight. As much as I would love to, it just doesn't fit into my life.

51 minutes ago The Baroness.

Well for 500 plus rental car and you take care of the hotel. Something nice like Keswick (FYI 5 star resort for those who don't know) and only for a short period during the day.

Again as I said $500 gets me overnight already with a total freak. Why would I do a short stay and shell out $300 for Keswick and shell out a rental car?

17 minutes ago The Baroness.

Ok good luck then. Have fun. I was already discounting for you. You get what you pay for. Everyone finds their level.

Then the ***** blocks me![/QUOTE]THat woman is a joke. I emailed her two years ago and back then she was still asking for too much. I said no thanks and a few days later she was sending me a text as if she didn't.

Know that we had already chatted. When will these girls get it. Also, I don't think those are pics of her. Just a gut feeling.

[QUOTE=IluvSmellyFish;2470644]...

Another option would have been to have her use her id for the room and put your credit card on file.

...
[/QUOTE]By paying for the room and put SB as the guest so that the I'd during check in matches? This should be possible if at the time of booking they allow some one other than the guest to pay.

Now what to do about those hotels that ask for credit card along with I'd for incidentals? Ask the SB to use her own or give her cash for the security deposit?

I've done basically that. Called around for hotel that would take cash. Girl checked in with her I'd, paid at check in plus 100 deposit that they required w / o cc. Deposit refunded at checkout. I left her there and let her collect the deposit as part of the gift. That way, if she took anything or destroyed it, came out of her allowance. Worked very well. I suppose some girls might not buy into it though. This one was fine with it, me too!

[QUOTE=PghGuy2005;2470869]By paying for the room and put SB as the guest so that the I'd during check in matches? This should be possible if at the time of booking they allow some one other than the guest to pay.

Now what to do about those hotels that ask for credit card along with I'd for incidentals? Ask the SB to use her own or give her cash for the security deposit?[/QUOTE]

Not a very active board member due to my schedule which leads me into the suspect category for most senior members sharing info. So tried my luck with CL. Saw a fairly normal looking post bbw MILF looking for SD.

Never dipped into the sugar bowl but the post looked legit So I took a chance. Best gamble I took so far.

Got a reply from a pretty straight forward bbw. Which did put me off some considering it could be LEO. Replied along the lines of I was looking for a fwb but I'm not opposed to helping friends. Set up the MG for the next day. Got a few pics to ease my paranoia. Still was cautious. MILF pulls up we head to the room and talk. The convo put me at ease seemed like a MILF that just wanted some fun and help. First MG ends in FC. Now I have an official SB. Time to scan this forum before I screw it up.

I almost got in the middle of some x BF drama at my ATF's apartment last night. We had just finished up in the FC and I was sitting in the living room in my shorts, and un-announce her x from before I met her walks in the door (it was unlocked). Lets just say he wasnt too happy to see me. Being the thug in training he looked to be I was thinking it was 50/50 he was going to rush me. But he grabbed my ATF instead, dragged her outside and clocked her. She is no pussy (so to speak), and she backed him off, and then walked me to my car. I would be lying if I said I didn't break a sweat.

Today I was going see her again later at night and just bring her back to my place. But about 4 pm a MILF I had been messaging off and on for about 8 months, but never met, suddenly calls me and asks if I want to come see her immediately. So I'm thinking, well I can just meet her for a M&G and then go pick up my ATF at 9 like we agreed this morning. But I still hadn't heard back from her, so I sent her another txt saying to just be ready by 9. But just in case I came semi prepared for the MILF with a six pack and some lube.

It was 6.30 and I still hadn't heard back from my ATF when I arrived at the MILF's apartment . When I walked up to the door she was there to greet me and she looked just like her pic, which I liked, so I stepped inside and just grabbed her by the neck and basically attacked her. LOL. She was totally into it and we had a fun hour. By the time I got home it was after 9 and my ATF was still MIA. So I am glad I took the risk and did the M&G on the spur of the moment. And there is no way I was going to see my ATF after that. As I was spent. If she would have txted me back I would have just had to give her some lame excuse, but she never did. So I am off the hook and I can spin it to my favor since officially she was the one that flaked on me.

Now that I have talked to most of the likely prospects on SA, all that's left are the GPS girls. So all I can do is maybe work some old leads or wait for a new profile. BTW, the MILF (pictured) was about a 7/8/9/8. Tall and slender. Not bad for mid forties, but she never had kids so she was still tight and no sagging anywhere. I will most likely see her again as she is a man pleaser, likes it rough and took direction very well.

The last four hours have been pretty bizarre. Either this mid-30's girl is the most terminally directionally-incompetent person I've ever talked to, or it's going to turn out to be a ridiculously elaborate and well-executed scam. At this point I really can't tell which. Will post a recap once this situation actually resolves.

Sent into letter.

Her Reply - "I was thinking something somewhere between 250-400 plus transportation. " (she is 120 miles RT).

I didn't really see her as GPS due to her demographics. Since she came right out with a dollar amount I short cut the steps. Any girl willing to spend 4 hours RT and take a $ is probably looking for more than just P4P. And so am I with the right girl. So I sent her this.

My response back.

"I pay $100 a date (plus train ticket) once we decide to start an arrangement, which won't cover any ones lifestyle. But it does add up. I need to have a real connection with the person I am with. Like real chemistry. And I am in this for the long term. Otherwise what's the point?

I understand some girls will date anyone if they pay enough. And I don't judge. I just know that for $100 a girl has to like me to keep seeing me. At $250-$400 I would never know if it was me or just the cash. Does that make sense?

What you probably already know is that many of the guys on here are full of it. And the ones that will pay more? Well guess what? . They want every girl they can have, and at those higher amounts they can have any girl they want. So they see you a few times (or once) and then poof. They're gone. And maybe that's all you want. But I need something long term and someone I can count on. What about you?"

Her Reply.

"Sounds like what I'm looking for with you being long term and reliable. I haven't dated much on the site, my only thing is I do need a little assistance with my lifestyle. Nothing like clothes or things like that. But rent and school supplies and things like that. 100 doesn't sound bad at all, but how many times a month did yu want to meet?? I'm not looking for you to support my life but I do want our arrangement to help the both of us. I'd be happy enough to say yes if we can meet 3 times a month for 100. I like the way yu think. I don't like people for the money, I like people for those things deeper. The money is only a concern of mine due to how sexually satisfying I'm able to be. I don't want to feel used (which I have by some people) if you get what I'm trying to say. I hope none of this came out / off wrong. As I read it, it seems like it could."

She has been on the site about a month and had one short lived SD. I talked to her and she sounds nice and coherent. LOL. Most of the girls quoting her original offer are not going to go to a $, but I'm glad I asked. Now its just a scheduling issue. Total time elapsed from my original message to her on SA up to getting her on the phone, was about an hour.

How do you guys handle some of the profile areas on SA? Things like:

1. Your picture (can't add mine since it could be seen by friends or family).

2. Single or married?

3. Do you just say straight out that you're looking for NSA relationships?

Assuming I'm not going to disclose my identity to these girls, how do you go about discussing personal issues? Do you think it's better to simply be honest and upfront?

This is why mongering seems so much easier, but I'm wanting to try this out.

Anyone in the Richmond area have any dealings with young baby from new Kent or short pump named Dee?

As I said, it's been a very strange last 24 hours. Let me recap:

Early Saturday evening I get a PM from a mid-30's girl, "J", about an hour a way, who said "I'm single finally and looking to have fun with someone. Basically on the rebound. Haven't had sex in over 3 months and I'm ready to get wild. ". She said she just wanted gas money, $25, to come to my place. Thought about it a bit, and said sure.

Then I realized she wanted / needed gas money to actually get up to me, not just on the way back, and wanted me to send it via Western Union. The problem is that requires actual names for the transfer. She sent me a bit more info on herself, did some checks, she seemed legit. So, I sent the money.

There's some delays back and forth as J and I text some. Apparently she was having trouble picking up the money because the WU computers were down or something. She says she'll try picking it up in the morning, then come see me.

We text this morning. I get a notice that she's received the money, and when I ask where she is, she tells me her GPS says 37 minutes to go to my place. So far so good. Note that it's REALLY easy to get to my place. Just off an exit.

Then things got weird. After a lengthy silence, she says she's on WRONG_ROAD, which I see is only about 15 minutes away. I tell her to turn around and how to get to me.

About an hour later, she says she's in OTHER_NEARBY_SUBURB, her gas light's on, and her GPS is giving her weird directions. I start trying to have her tell me where she is, and she just says she's on some straight road without exits.

By this time it's about 12:45 PM. I'd originally expected her to be at my place by 10:30 AM. Tried calling her, but somehow when she answered I couldn't hear her at all. She starts freaking out over text about being lost and stranded. Apparently she doesn't have a smartphone, just an old dash GPS.

About 1:30 she says she thinks she knows where a gas station is, and asks me to send more money via WU, and that she can load it onto her debit card via a phone call or something. I'd been repeatedly flipping back and forth between "this is a scam" and "this girl is just a horrible driver" all day. Finally decide to assume she's still legit, and sent another $25.

I'd been begging her to give me a road name or any kind of info to help figure out where she was. She finally says "coming to a crossroad", then silence for 20 minutes, then "its ##hwy", then silence for another 40 minutes.

Finally, she text "I'm on ORIGINAL_WRONG_ROAD at GAS_STATION", and says she's waiting on me. So, I hop in my car and drive 10 minutes over there. Arrive, look around, don't see anything. Text her a few times. Waited about 10 more minutes, then sent her "Forget it" and went home. No further responses after that.

So, yeah. I still have absolutely no clue whether she's legit or a scammer. I'm honestly inclined to think legit, but man, that was just bizarre. She still hasn't picked up the second transfer as far as I can tell, and unfortunately I don't see any way to cancel it from WU's website.

I figure I probably screwed up in a few ways here. I sent money without actually meeting her, and gave away most of my actual contact info in the process. The good news is that I don't have as many security concerns as most of you do, but I got over-eager over the idea of a cheap enthusiastic date.

I'll be curious to see if she ever actually tries contacting me again.

So first off, I have to say thanks to this forum, but ESPECIALLY to HollywoodGuy. I've used his "5 Steps" as a basis for my own initial approaches, and so far it's working fantastically.

POT #1 ("S" 24, lived all her life in a nearby smaller town. She contacted me first, so I didn't really use the steps on her. Thin, a little quiet, just looking for help with bills. Tried to get out with her on Thursday but had the "left my I'd at home" fiasco. Will try setting up something with her in the near future.

POT #2 ("see" 37, a bit curvy, seems very GND. Went through the steps with her. Says she "likes seeing others happy", is "sensual", and likes the idea of a few gifts. Said yes to my offer. Couldn't set anything up for Friday or Saturday, so hopefully sometime this week.

POT #3 ("E" 25, also a bit curvy. Has a job and an apartment, just not enough extra to do what she wants. Also says she's "submissive". Said she'd previously gotten 200-400/ date, but wants a better connection and accepted my offer.

And then there's the official SB #1, "are". 24, a couple kids, but pretty good looking. Told me she previously got 300/ wk for 2+ dates / wk, but really wanted both a connection and a physical relationship. When I sent her the offer message, she replied: "I think we should meet. I like the way you conduct yourself and I think we could have a lot of fun. ".

So, we scheduled a meeting for this evening, and we hit it off immediately. We figured out we agreed on a lot of things before we even reached the restaurant, and when I asked her what she wanted for dinner, she picked a cheaper local favorite rather than any of the other options in the area. We had a great time talking over dinner, and more fun back at the room. She loves sex and wants to keep it interesting. And, if I may so so myself, I am apparently one of the few non-creeps she's met so far through SA. We both happily agreed this should keep going.

Meanwhile, I've still got a few initial contact messages that haven't been viewed yet, and am getting the occasional incoming greeting as well. May actually have to start saying "Sorry, no positions available" soon.

So, four "Yes"es, one official agreement, and no actual rejections yet. I'm thinking HWG maybe needs to go start teaching psychology or something, because his approach WORKS.

[QUOTE=FirstHalf;2472474]How do you guys handle some of the profile areas on SA? Things like:

1. Your picture (can't add mine since it could be seen by friends or family).

2. Single or married?

3. Do you just say straight out that you're looking for NSA relationships?

Assuming I'm not going to disclose my identity to these girls, how do you go about discussing personal issues? Do you think it's better to simply be honest and upfront?

This is why mongering seems so much easier, but I'm wanting to try this out.[/QUOTE]Newbie here, but I did read through the rest of the thread.

1) I put up a selfie, but then I'm single. I've seen others say they either only do pics via email, or add them as "Private" and give access later in the contact process.

2) Also seen some guys say they go ahead and put "Married" in so it's there up-front.

3) Yeah, putting NSA in the "Looking For" section seems to be the way to go.

Met up with another mid 20's grad student redhead this week. (Managed to score a freebie with a different one two weeks ago.).

This girl was just amazing. Plan was just a m&g. We hit it off famously. She is poly amorous, bi, very open, really pretty, whip smart, very creative, and just plain fun. Drove her back to her place and ended up getting a BJ from her in an elementary school parking lot. She's only here for the summer but I think we will have a lot of fun. Sadly she has roommates so we will have to go for hotels for the FC, but she will be worth it.

Up next. Trip to Boston this week. Will see my #1 Asian hottie and have a few other potential dates lined up.

[QUOTE=Zcochran00;2472745] I still have absolutely no clue whether she's legit or a scammer. I'm honestly inclined to think legit, but man, that was just bizarre. I'll be curious to see if she ever actually tries contacting me again.[/QUOTE]Don't mean to be harsh, but you're the "who does that" guy! Never, ever, ever, ever send money to someone via western union. Can't imagine sending money to someone I've never met face to face. So here's the clue: you got scammed. Twice.

I saw the girl this evening that I met this morning on SA. She was an admitted UTR. I really needed to take the day off today but she was making it so easy to see her that I figured screw it. If we fucked great and if not no problem. She was too cute to pass by. She was a 8/9/8/7. She was good looking but due to me not really wanting sex, the sex part was below average. Like a 4 on my side. She was horny. A bit dispassionate but I'm overly spoiled. I am sure she would be happy to see me again. I just didn't want to waste the opportunity to meet a pretty girl. It wasnt a perfect date FC wise thats for sure. But I got enough of a taste to at least think about if I want to see her again. She really did have a great body.

Too many things to worry about. Was it me was it her? Most likely both but I take the blame as she was more than willing to whatever I asked. I was just too tired to go there. My regulars give me that extra drama in the FC the I love. Maybe this girl could too but I didnt even ask. The Milf from yesterday was into all my games even if she was laughing sometimes. It was all good and nasty.

[QUOTE=Dsprdo;2473164]Don't mean to be harsh, but you're the "who does that" guy! Never, ever, ever, ever send money to someone via western union. Can't imagine sending money to someone I've never met face to face. So here's the clue: you got scammed. Twice.[/QUOTE]Yeah. Unfortunately (in this case), I'm a generally trusting individual. Going to have to change that some, I guess.

[QUOTE=Zcochran00;2473672]Yeah. Unfortunately (in this case), I'm a generally trusting individual. Going to have to change that some, I guess.[/QUOTE]It sounds like you were inviting her over to your place. Until you have been with someone several times and know who they are for real, you should never invite them to your place. My rule would be to never have them over any time. All these relationships end eventually and the last thing you want is some obsessed woman staking out your house or apartment. That's not to mention the risk that she shows up with a friend who invites you to go with them to an ATM. A lot of the women on the SB sites are either UTR's, scammers or Nando1's. Often they are all three. You need to be much more cautious in general and at least go slow until you get some experience and can distinguish the legit SB's from the others.

BAM.

[QUOTE=BradAM;2473774]It sounds like you were inviting her over to your place. Until you have been with someone several times and know who they are for real, you should never invite them to your place. My rule would be to never have them over any time. All these relationships end eventually and the last thing you want is some obsessed woman staking out your house or apartment. That's not to mention the risk that she shows up with a friend who invites you to go with them to an ATM. A lot of the women on the SB sites are either UTR's, scammers or Nando1's. Often they are all three. You need to be much more cautious in general and at least go slow until you get some experience and can distinguish the legit SB's from the others.

BAM.[/QUOTE]In my case I bring them all to my place. In 8 years I have had one psycho stalker. Had LEO remove her 3 times. Going to the girls place I never had a problem until last week which I posted about. One of her X's showed up and was considering jumping me but knocked her around instead. Hotel rooms are the best but I can't afford the extra expense.

[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;2473785]In my case I bring them all to my place. In 8 years I have had one psycho stalker. Had LEO remove her 3 times. Going to the girls place I never had a problem until last week which I posted about. One of her X's showed up and was considering jumping me but knocked her around instead. Hotel rooms are the best but I can't afford the extra expense.[/QUOTE]I bring them all to my place, too. I try not to be crazy about who I bring home and almost always meet someplace in public first. I broke that rule about a week ago and kind of regretted it. She was a cute girl I had been texting for a couple of weeks and finally I just invited her over. When she got out of the car she was about 25 pounds heavier than inn the pic. Being a good host I invited her in and we had wine. I'm not into the BBW thing but ended up doing the deed anyway (hey, she was there and was horny, what's a guy to do?) She ended up staying overnight and waking me up with a BJ twice in the middle of the night. I don't usually make it three times in 8 hours. Nice girl but she won't be back. I gave her $ when she left, and she seemed happy about it.

I brought a stripper I met home one time, with a friend of hers (female), who watched TV while we were in my room. In retrospect I wouldn't do that again, lucky I still have the TV.

[QUOTE=Dsprdo;2473821]I bring them all to my place, too. I try not to be crazy about who I bring home and almost always meet someplace in public first. I broke that rule about a week ago and kind of regretted it. She was a cute girl I had been texting for a couple of weeks and finally I just invited her over. When she got out of the car she was about 25 pounds heavier than inn the pic. Being a good host I invited her in and we had wine. I'm not into the BBW thing but ended up doing the deed anyway (hey, she was there and was horny, what's a guy to do?) She ended up staying overnight and waking me up with a BJ twice in the middle of the night. I don't usually make it three times in 8 hours. Nice girl but she won't be back. I gave her $ when she left, and she seemed happy about it.

I brought a stripper I met home one time, with a friend of hers (female), who watched TV while we were in my room. In retrospect I wouldn't do that again, lucky I still have the TV.[/QUOTE]Yeah I guess I usually meet them somewhere nearby first just to be sure. I have had a few come straight to my door. But not often.

Hey guys.

Been reading this post for years and it has helped a lot. Love the 5 steps and overall advice.

Just recieved a message back from a POT that just floored me after I replied with the 3 rdStep response. "I do at least $300, it's degrading to do it for anything less I'm not a prostitute and for anything less would be prostitute money. "
OMG.

Here is a scammer.

[URL]https://www.seekingarrangement.com/member/ea76fc6e/view[/URL]

She did the whole routine of.

* my baby is sick.

* I will come over but don't have gas.

* Send me money for gas and the baby sitter with [B]Western Union.[/B].

Holy shit.

It was funny that I just read a fellow brother got scammed a few threads ago.

As soon as she said in her text, like the second text, that her baby was sick, I knew something was up.

And, no, I didn't send anything.

I just stayed polite.

These scammers are unbelievable.

Wait, wait she is texting me again. I wonder what she is going to come up with next.

[QUOTE=MJehl;2473909]
Just recieved a message back from a POT "I do at least $300, it's degrading to do it for anything less I'm not a prostitute and for anything less would be prostitute money. "
[/QUOTE]That logic is priceless, and pure female. I just lost one of my favorites, a 19 year old latina who was absolutely stunning and wild in bed. In her break up text she told me that she thought I wanted something too serious (hah) and oh, by the way, she had met someone willing to pay her 300. I was giving her my standard 120, and when we started she was ecstatic about it. I just wish guys would stop overpaying these girls.

[QUOTE=MJehl;2473909]Hey guys.

Been reading this post for years and it has helped a lot. Love the 5 steps and overall advice.

Just recieved a message back from a POT that just floored me after I replied with the 3 rdStep response. "I do at least $300, it's degrading to do it for anything less I'm not a prostitute and for anything less would be prostitute money. "
OMG.[/QUOTE]And that's when you hit them with the 4th step. My UTR girl from yesterday originally suggested $$.5 to $$$$ and then went straight to $. Its rare but it happens. Many times they drop to $.5. If they suggest anything more I just tell them to have a nice day.

Read post 9181.

Funny -- just had an exchange with her under a different name. Same thing with me. It was a very short conversation.

[QUOTE=FTP1999;2474316]Here is a scammer.

[URL]https://www.seekingarrangement.com/member/ea76fc6e/view[/URL]

She did the whole routine of.

* my baby is sick.

* I will come over but don't have gas.

* Send me money for gas and the baby sitter with [B]Western Union.[/B].

Holy shit.

It was funny that I just read a fellow brother got scammed a few threads ago.

As soon as she said in her text, like the second text, that her baby was sick, I knew something was up.

And, no, I didn't send anything.

I just stayed polite.

These scammers are unbelievable.

Wait, wait she is texting me again. I wonder what she is going to come up with next.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=GuyInTheCorner;2474536]Funny -- just had an exchange with her under a different name. Same thing with me. It was a very short conversation.[/QUOTE]Well, tell us what the name is, tell us the link, so we can save time.

I also suggest that you report her as a scammer.

[QUOTE=Dsprdo;2474360]That logic is priceless, and pure female. I just lost one of my favorites, a 19 year old latina who was absolutely stunning and wild in bed. In her break up text she told me that she thought I wanted something too serious (hah) and oh, by the way, she had met someone willing to pay her 300. I was giving her my standard 120, and when we started she was ecstatic about it. I just wish guys would stop overpaying these girls.[/QUOTE]I have one special girl that could be GF material. Occasionally she flakes or wants to be alone. She says that's all there is. I never make a point to ask about other SD's or even guys she may date regularly. My guess is she has another SB and may juggle around depending on what she needs. I think for me, it's more a GF / BF need and the $$ is a plus. I can tell sometimes she needs me for emotional support. Each time we meet up she'll randomly give me strong, locking hugs. As of late, I mostly take care of some small travel needs or pocket cash.

In short, whoever the guy is that's spoiling my SB could you please stop! I'd prefer to spend my time with her only; but this prick is causing me to pull SB's from the backup roster. LOL. I jokingly told my SB it was her fault I renewed my membership.

After following a few months of your SA advice / posts (led by HWG. Thank you) I have entered the sugar bowl after 2 years in the hobby. Some of the responses are replying back to my SA message, not my email address. I noticed today that SA is putting this statement on their message page -.

"To ensure your privacy, do not share your account email or password with anyone under any circumstances. " So far I have just messaged them a second time to email me, but I am wondering if many have not responded at all due to the email request. Has anyone come up with an innocent reason to give a POTS why they need to respond to my email address as opposed to thru SA?

Also, for those who have responded to my email address with their email I have not been able to find their address through facebook. In my line of work I subscribe to some inexpensive background search engines such as [URL]www.spokeo.com[/URL], [URL]www.peoplesmart.com[/URL] and www. Intellius. These have been very helpful in researching my typical BP providers, but oddly have come up blank on the first 3 or 4 SB responses.

BTW guys I know most of the acronyms but what is GPS?

[QUOTE=StormyTuesday;2475027]After following a few months of your SA advice / posts (led by HWG. Thank you) I have entered the sugar bowl after 2 years in the hobby. Some of the responses are replying back to my SA message, not my email address. I noticed today that SA is putting this statement on their message page -.

"To ensure your privacy, do not share your account email or password with anyone under any circumstances. " So far I have just messaged them a second time to email me, but I am wondering if many have not responded at all due to the email request. Has anyone come up with an innocent reason to give a POTS why they need to respond to my email address as opposed to thru SA?

Also, for those who have responded to my email address with their email I have not been able to find their address through facebook. In my line of work I subscribe to some inexpensive background search engines such as [URL]www.spokeo.com[/URL], [URL]www.peoplesmart.com[/URL] and www. Intellius. These have been very helpful in researching my typical BP providers, but oddly have come up blank on the first 3 or 4 SB responses.

BTW guys I know most of the acronyms but what is GPS?[/QUOTE]A big part of having them email you is setting a pattern of control. If you can't control them from the get go that's a red flag for me. Occasionally I will start sending them the steps through the site (if they insist) but after a few affirmative responses I will take them back to email. Absolutely step 5 has to be via email. Any girl that refuses I drop.
I have never made an exception to that rule. He who owns the gold makes the rules.

As promised, I'm going to put together some collections of links to useful posts earlier in the thread. We'll start with some definitions, a link to an earlier attempt to index useful posts, and some tips on formatting posts:

[B]Common Acronyms and Phrases on the USASG SB Richmond Thread[/B]

(collected by HollywoodGuy on his "Five Steps" page at [URL]http://coach4ula.wix.com/fivesteps[/URL]):

BCG. Booty call girl.

The Bowl. Short for sugar bowl.

FC. Fuck chamber.

GPS. Golden pussy syndrome.

HCB. Hot college babe.

HYB. Hot young babe.

M&G. Meet and greet.

Nando 1 - lowest level girl with a lot of drama.

POT. A potential SB.

SA - [URL]seekingarrangement.com[/URL].

SD4 M - [URL]sugardaddyforme.com[/URL].

SO. Signifigant other.

UTR. Under the radar (a pro on the down low).

[B]Girl Rating System[/B]

(per [POST=1858939]post #4363[/POST] and [POST=2224439]post #7265[/POST]).

Four numbers: Face / body / personality / skills or body / face / personality / skills.

Three numbers: face / body / skills (having the personality and skills in one number).

[B]Previous Index Posts[/B]

SubCmdr [POST=1694021]post #2773[/POST]. Points back to earlier posts on terms, security, rating systems, and gifts.

[B]Post Formatting Help[/B]

USA uses the vBulletin forum software, which allows posts to be formatted using a set of tags called BBCode. There's at list of formatting tags at [URL]https://www.vbulletin.org/forum/misc.php?do=bbcode[/URL]. Note that the "URL option" format doesn't seem to work on this board. I also have no idea why the board adds extra blank lines and mangles single-letter words.

On the other hand, there's a very useful tag for linking to specific posts on the board without using an entire URL. Enter it like this:

[NOPARSE][post=1694021]link description text here[/post][/NOPARSE] , where the post number is found at the end of the link you can copy from the upper-right corner of each post (like [URL]http://www.usasexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?9746-quot-Sugarbabies-quot-quot-Arrangements-quot-Amateurs-or-Not&p=1694021&viewfull=1#post1694021[/URL]).

There are some useful tools for writing formatted posts out there. I'm writing this in BBCEditor from [URL]http://fenixproductions.dcmembers.com/bbc/[/URL] , and there's others as well.

[QUOTE=StormyTuesday;2475027]After following a few months of your SA advice / posts (led by HWG. Thank you) I have entered the sugar bowl after 2 years in the hobby. Some of the responses are replying back to my SA message, not my email address. I noticed today that SA is putting this statement on their message page -.

"To ensure your privacy, do not share your account email or password with anyone under any circumstances. " So far I have just messaged them a second time to email me, but I am wondering if many have not responded at all due to the email request. Has anyone come up with an innocent reason to give a POTS why they need to respond to my email address as opposed to thru SA?

Also, for those who have responded to my email address with their email I have not been able to find their address through facebook. In my line of work I subscribe to some inexpensive background search engines such as [URL]www.spokeo.com[/URL], [URL]www.peoplesmart.com[/URL] and www. Intellius. These have been very helpful in researching my typical BP providers, but oddly have come up blank on the first 3 or 4 SB responses.

BTW guys I know most of the acronyms but what is GPS?[/QUOTE]The SA login uses an email address and a password. So if they give you the email address, that's one half of the equation. And some people use really simple passwords. So I'd suggest it isn't anything sinister from SA. If there's a problem, just ask if they have another email address that you can use. In fact, they might have another email address which they normally use, and that's why you can't find them on facebook with the SA login email.

GPS = Golden Pussy Syndrome.