News and Media Reports

[QUOTE=AaronHamlet;4165028]Hopefully for Kraft it's not him they got on film lapping up that pootang right after a customer made his deposit. Menghi (sp) seems to be go to girl if you ever hit that spa. The amount of taxpayer funds spent on this bust is ridiculous. LE never eplains how cameras were placed but do tell of sending health inspectors in there to check licenses. Prob a safe bet to assume health inspectors placed surveillance devices. I think it's against form rules to post this info, apologies to A2, but it's an interesting look into how LE operates re these busts. Rubmaps was a go to site for them to gather information.

[URL]https://www.scribd.com/document/400267937/Orchids-of-Asia-Day-Spa[/URL][/QUOTE]The strangest thing about that police report and, which should get that cop fired, is the traffic stops of those 4 spa customers on bogus traffic violations. He obviously stopped each of them just to pick their brains about spa activities. And who the fuck is dumb enough to believe that all 4 of them admitted to getting a hand crank at the establishment without being threatened in some way? I really wish I'd been one of those 4 guys:

Me: "Yes, officer, can I help you?

"I stopped you for violation of a traffic control device. ".

Me: Can you explain that to me?

"(insert bullshit answer). I saw that you exited that spa a minute ago and want to ask you some questions about your activities there. ".

Me: "I can't really tell you anything other that it's a great place to get a massage. My back feels a lot better now. ".

"I need to ask you some questions about the establishment. ".

Me: "Well officer, you said you stopped me for an alleged violation of a traffic control device. If you really think I violated a traffic law, please issue the citation so I can be on my way and I'll fight it in court when the time comes as I know I didn't violate any laws. If you're only interested in asking about my activities at the spa, I've already told you everything and it's quite obvious you've pulled me over for bogus reasons, which is against the law. As I mentioned, I'll be fighting the traffic citation on my court date and will explain to the judge that your only interest was to question me about spa activities. By the way, I began streaming our conversation to my attorney and a few friends when you approached my vehicle in case you had any crazy ideas about confiscating my phone. May I have the citation and leave?

That should shut the mofo up.

Anyone concerned about this "Robert Kraft" sting happening in Atlanta or currently happening now? I am definitely concerned about cameras and the law watching the massage parlors going forward.

[QUOTE=PeterJohnson;4164220]Kraft is 77 y/o, so got to think he could be a bit old and senile at this point. It seems like it would be way too risky for him to go to a public massage parlor like that. If nothing else, he could get blackmailed, but obviously this is even worse to get caught on tape.

He probably just offered an adult woman an extra $20 for a handjob, but of course the media and the public will spin it into him sexually assaulting some innocent girl who was being human trafficked and was a sex slave. Go to the reddit news thread about this. People are so stupid.

However, this case is a good reminder that it is illegal activity and if you do anything illegal (and get caught), those in power can fuck with you as long and hard as they want. I feel bad for the guy.[/QUOTE]Kraft may be a smart businessman, but he's a very stupid monger. First, why would a multi-billionaire roll up to a CAMP in a chauffered car? Nobody's going to notice? Sure, no CAMP ladies would ever know who he is but could be paparazzi around. Second, he's worth billions. I'd have a monger-minded staff member hire a hottie, drive her to my hotel room or private residence, do the deed and she leaves, no risk involved. Granted, he had no idea the CAMP was under surveillance but he should be smart enough to know that rich guys get noticed most of the time when out in public.

[QUOTE=RunningGuy10;4165592]Anyone concerned about this "Robert Kraft" sting happening in Atlanta or currently happening now? I am definitely concerned about cameras and the law watching the massage parlors going forward.[/QUOTE]I don't think any of that will trickle up north. I had a session at a KAMP yesterday and at a CAMP today. Business as usual and the ladies aren't worried. I'd like to know how the popo got a key to that spa to install the cameras. Obtain one from the owner of the building or?

The two most interesting things drawn from the police report referenced earlier are that the one customer where the lights were turned off had few observations made. The other thing is that there are a lot of 2-minute men in Jupiter. Look at the times of the begin and end of service. I have an idea that more massages will be done in the dark from here on. I wonder if it is illegal to set up a rental kiosk on the sidewalk in the shopping plaza for electronic equipment detectors. Seems like a fortune is in some entrepreneur's future.

[QUOTE=Jugglr123;4165525]I have a feeling that the police didn't know who Kraft was when they released the names of the people arrested. (Not everyone follows football. I wouldn't have recognized Kraft's name or picture if someone didn't tell me who he was.) It's great for the local sheriff's department to get all the publicity for busting a "sex slavery" ring and embarrass some poor slobs in the process, but now they've angered a billionaire who is no doubt on the phone with the governor and the senators from Florida. There is now a national spotlight on their sleazy tactics (especially the videotaping) & I imagine the sheriff is getting a lot of pressure to make this go away ASAP.[/QUOTE]That may be the case but the damage is already done. I will stay away from AMPs for an extended period of time and switch to well know indies for 30 m FS sessions instead. It will be interesting to see how this plays out legally as FL is a two-party state. The ATL lipstick sting had video but it was later not allowed.

[QUOTE=RunningGuy10;4165592]Anyone concerned about this "Robert Kraft" sting happening in Atlanta or currently happening now? I am definitely concerned about cameras and the law watching the massage parlors going forward.[/QUOTE]Wouldn't surprise me one bit if this was happening here too. It would not be wise to frequent such places considering these tactics. I think this could be the end of the AMP industry as we know it.

[QUOTE=Jugglr123;4165525]I have a feeling that the police didn't know who Kraft was when they released the names of the people arrested. (Not everyone follows football. I wouldn't have recognized Kraft's name or picture if someone didn't tell me who he was.) It's great for the local sheriff's department to get all the publicity for busting a "sex slavery" ring and embarrass some poor slobs in the process, but now they've angered a billionaire who is no doubt on the phone with the governor and the senators from Florida. There is now a national spotlight on their sleazy tactics (especially the videotaping) & I imagine the sheriff is getting a lot of pressure to make this go away ASAP.[/QUOTE]They've also charged two more billionaires. One is the former president of Citigroup and he says he hasn't heard anything from the police yet. The other is a big wall street guy. WARNING. Don't piss off a billionaire.

[QUOTE=Bbinsider;4165692]They've also charged two more billionaires. One is the former president of Citigroup and he says he hasn't heard anything from the police yet. The other is a big wall street guy. WARNING. Don't piss off a billionaire.[/QUOTE]The owners were cooperating with police in the sting. Since the inside recordings took place over a 5 day period inside the rooms, LEO would need to place robust cameras that would be impossible to install without the owner's knowledge. Simple wireless cameras could have been placed by health inspectors that entered prior to LEO, but they would not last 5 days and record continuously. A wireless camera that records continuously would need a LEO surveillance car or van within 100 feet to get a decent recording.

These cameras were likely powered by an outlet and recorded to SD cards (or equivalent). The cameras could have been hidden in a clock, radio, or anything else plugged into a wall. Handheld devices exist that are not terribly expensive and are specifically designed to detect the lens on a hidden camera due to the reflected light from the lens. I would use one of those to sweep the room either before the provider enters or after she has left the room.

The key takeaway is that the owners helped LEO entrap the customers. There is no other way the recordings inside the rooms could have happened over a 5 day event.

[QUOTE=Bbinsider;4165686]Wouldn't surprise me one bit if this was happening here too. It would not be wise to frequent such places considering these tactics. I think this could be the end of the AMP industry as we know it.[/QUOTE]It's not the end. Stings have happened before many times. Things quite down for a little while then back to normal. Everyone just be cool it will blow over soon.

[blue]NO!!!! Nothing like this has EVER happened before!!!! The sky is falling, the sky is falling!

JK, Thanks

A2[/blue]

[QUOTE=BobSugarSmith;4165208]So they state the girls were sex slaves but they investigated it for eight months? That mean left the girls to be "malnourished and enslaved" for eight months while they got Johns on video? Its all a big circle jerk.[/QUOTE]Yeah dude. I'm no attorney but they just observing the crime to continue over that time spam feels criminal. What was the point. To catch the johns or save the girls? They allowed them to remain trafficked if we are understanding the story correctly. I mean, didn't they get enough material in a week?


Did you guys see the ladies that got arrested? Not even 6's and I grade on curve ha. Not sure if they worked and / or managed. Owner's pic is posted also.

[QUOTE=Infatuated;4165629]The two most interesting things drawn from the police report referenced earlier are that the one customer where the lights were turned off had few observations made. The other thing is that there are a lot of 2-minute men in Jupiter. Look at the times of the begin and end of service. I have an idea that more massages will be done in the dark from here on. I wonder if it is illegal to set up a rental kiosk on the sidewalk in the shopping plaza for electronic equipment detectors. Seems like a fortune is in some entrepreneur's future.[/QUOTE]Most newer cellphones have plenty of sensors that will pick up clandestine surveillance equipment without much problem. Especially Androids, I don't know about iphones. I have several apps that I use on the job to do so. The other side of this is the lighting issue. It takes VERY little to adapt a camera to full spectrum photography and to set up IR lighting that is hard to detect with the naked eye. I expect that we'll be seeing more of that down the road.

[QUOTE=JohnnyMapalo;4141703]The pigs are on every site. Even this one! It serves that Eros black girl right. Those Eros girls are green as fuck. The police set up the sting in a Fairfield Inn hotel (same hotel I got caught in, in Lithonia) in South Fulton. All 9 of those chic's came to the hotel for a thirsty outcall. Police gave them an offer of $200-$300 hour and none of those thirsty ass chic's could refuse. Serves them right! Besides, your girl in the bottom right corner deleted here Eros ad, so I guess she's now working t ht e daddii's / johns on the seeking arrangement site now. LOL.

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/39dae62e-0e27-4d73-ae52-d9a78fa7bd3c[/URL]

Alot of those undercover stings that police do are bait ads. Those fuckers go onto adult chat rooms pretending to be underaged girls and baiting guys into a trap. It's not like these guy's they catch are on teenage chat rooms looking for teenagers These guys are instead in adult chat rooms / sites looking for 18-20 something year old legal aged girls. The fucking pigs place an ad or message random guys, on an ADULT SITE, trying to bait them into soliticing a minor for sex.

They even egg the guys on asking what do you want to do with me. Smdh. I remember in one instance in particular, a guy put a casual encounters ad on craigslist. The police answered his ad telling him that she was a 16 year old girl. No where in this guy's ad did he state that he was looking for underaged girls. He was on an adult dating site assuming everyone on there was an adult. Well, the police got his interest and kept him talking. They then got him to meet up with the 16 year old girl at a park. When he got there he was arrested for soliciting a minor for sex. They baited the hell out of him like a mother, but he should have known better.

Shit, I even have chic's on that sugar daddy site messaging me, then through thorough questioning I find out that they're still in high school. WTF are they even doing on a Sugar Daddy site at that age. A logical person would cease all communications, but that may peak some guys interest to really find out if she's underaged or just saying that to make herself feel good. I never message those chics, but they message me and for all I know they could be some undercover bait. That's pretty dirty luring guys in like that, but that's the dirty games the pigs play.[/QUOTE]Looks like she's back on the sites: [URL]https://adultsearch.com/georgia/atlanta/female-escorts/1477938[/URL].

[QUOTE=Worf359;4165923]It's not the end. Stings have happened before many times. Things quite down for a little while then back to normal. Everyone just be cool it will blow over soon.

[blue]NO!!!! Nothing like this has EVER happened before!!!! The sky is falling, the sky is falling!

JK, Thanks

A2[/blue][/QUOTE]LOL. You may be right. One thing for sure, there hasn't been any busts that has got everyone's attention to the point where this one has.

[QUOTE=Bbinsider;4167177]LOL. You may be right. One thing for sure, there hasn't been any busts that has got everyone's attention to the point where this one has.[/QUOTE]Haven't the koreans been doing this for decades? I guess maybe there are many 'new' k girls.

Someone mentioned they weren't that attractive--yeah, the pretty ones can make plenty of money sucking dick at home without making the trip over here.

[QUOTE=Bbinsider;4167177]LOL. You may be right. One thing for sure, there hasn't been any busts that has got everyone's attention to the point where this one has.[/QUOTE]And that's only because high profile guys got busted, otherwise it would be a routine news story.

[QUOTE=Dudeatl;4167452]Haven't the koreans been doing this for decades? I guess maybe there are many 'new' k girls.

Someone mentioned they weren't that attractive--yeah, the pretty ones can make plenty of money sucking dick at home without making the trip over here.[/QUOTE]I met a lot of hot Koreans in AMPs in the 80's and 90's. I've been told that the career opportunities in South Korean are much better today than they were 20-30 years ago that the talent willing to work abroad in AMPs has declined.

[QUOTE=Bbinsider;4167555]I met a lot of hot Koreans in AMPs in the 80's and 90's. I've been told that the career opportunities in South Korean are much better today than they were 20-30 years ago that the talent willing to work abroad in AMPs has declined.[/QUOTE]That is correct. You'd have to go over there to see how much things have changed since the '80's.

[QUOTE=Bbinsider;4167555]I met a lot of hot Koreans in AMPs in the 80's and 90's. I've been told that the career opportunities in South Korean are much better today than they were 20-30 years ago that the talent willing to work abroad in AMPs has declined.[/QUOTE]Yeah there was some human trafficking back then. Lots of young gals working off their servitude. They have cracked down on that.

Sharing full report and details.

[URL]https://ewscripps.brightspotcdn.com/74/98/64c708b942ac9a24ed0e40f57db0/hua-pc.pdf[/URL]

The more information; the more adept we will be to the tactics.

[QUOTE=RunningGuy10;4168217]Sharing full report and details.

[URL]https://ewscripps.brightspotcdn.com/74/98/64c708b942ac9a24ed0e40f57db0/hua-pc.pdf[/URL]

The more information; the more adept we will be to the tactics.[/QUOTE]Thanks for posting. Good read. Don't ever talk to the authorities:

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-7o9xYp7eE[/URL] .

[QUOTE=RunningGuy10;4168217]Sharing full report and details.

[URL]https://ewscripps.brightspotcdn.com/74/98/64c708b942ac9a24ed0e40f57db0/hua-pc.pdf[/URL]

The more information; the more adept we will be to the tactics.[/QUOTE]Agreed, but how do you check for cameras?

That affidavit made for some disturbing reading. I got to say, at this point, I'm done. I mean, is there any reason not to conclude that the PD can have any AMP under surveillance whenever they choose? Maybe somebody did not get "paid" in this particular case, but that just means all these places are one shake-down away from becoming traps.

[QUOTE=RunningGuy10;4168217]Sharing full report and details.

[URL]https://ewscripps.brightspotcdn.com/74/98/64c708b942ac9a24ed0e40f57db0/hua-pc.pdf[/URL]

The more information; the more adept we will be to the tactics.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=TallWilly;4168448]Thanks for posting. Good read. Don't ever talk to the authorities:

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-7o9xYp7eE[/URL] .[/QUOTE][URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gv7uJUX3160[/URL]

[QUOTE=Niteluvr;4167524]And that's only because high profile guys got busted, otherwise it would be a routine news story.[/QUOTE]That's true, but because the huge exposure, it makes me wonder if this event is a game changer. It sort of reminds me of what happen in Clayton County 15 years ago when every place shut down literally overnight and they never came back. I realize that there are thousands times more AMP nationwide than there was in Clayton, but it will be interesting to see the AMP landscape looks like next year at this time. Maybe there will be no change at all, but this event seems to have alot of folks nervous.

[QUOTE=Bbinsider;4169117]That's true, but because the huge exposure, it makes me wonder if this event is a game changer. It sort of reminds me of what happen in Clayton County 15 years ago when every place shut down literally overnight and they never came back. I realize that there are thousands times more AMP nationwide than there was in Clayton, but it will be interesting to see the AMP landscape looks like next year at this time. Maybe there will be no change at all, but this event seems to have alot of folks nervous.[/QUOTE]Think geography here. This is a somewhat isolated incident with a few rich dudes caught up in a CAMP sting in the Jupiter, FL area. Shitload of rich people down there so a bust with "celebs" is big news. Clayton County cleanup? Quite the opposite, just a fuckstick named Victor Hill trying to make a name for himself by cleaning up dismal Clayton County.

Back to geography. If the Clayton purge didn't make a dent on the north side of I-285, how is a bust in south Florida going to do so now? The key is media exposure. As I mentioned in a previous post, I pegged both CAMP and KAMP ladies after the bust and nobody is worried. I'm not either.

Martin County Sheriff William Snyder rejected that: "We were able to determine with certainty that 9 out of 10 men who went into the parlors where we did the search warrants were there for sex. ".

There is a "community" of clients, of johns, who frequent businesses like this, who find out about them (mostly) online and often leave reviews of the "services" provided.

"There's a statistical possibility some of these men were testing the waters for the first time," said Snyder. Most likely, he said, they were repeat customers.

"Sex can be an addictive behavior," he said. "That's what I think you're seeing here. ".

[QUOTE=Stormrider;4166100]Most newer cellphones have plenty of sensors that will pick up clandestine surveillance equipment without much problem. Especially Androids, I don't know about iphones. I have several apps that I use on the job to do so. .[/QUOTE]What are the name of some of these apps? Thanks.

[QUOTE=Niteluvr;4169171]Think geography here. This is a somewhat isolated incident with a few rich dudes caught up in a CAMP sting in the Jupiter, FL area. Shitload of rich people down there so a bust with "celebs" is big news. Clayton County cleanup? Quite the opposite, just a fuckstick named Victor Hill trying to make a name for himself by cleaning up dismal Clayton County.

Back to geography. If the Clayton purge didn't make a dent on the north side of I-285, how is a bust in south Florida going to do so now? The key is media exposure. As I mentioned in a previous post, I pegged both CAMP and KAMP ladies after the bust and nobody is worried. I'm not either.[/QUOTE]Your right on all counts. It's just a over-saturated story in a world of way too many news outlets. Men have been willing to pay, one way or another, for several thousand years. I think it's pretty safe to assume that isn't changing anytime soon.

[QUOTE=PeterJohnson;4169510]What are the name of some of these apps? Thanks.[/QUOTE]Search on "hidden camera detectors" in the AMP store. They have mixed reviews. Amazon has a device also that isn't very much money. I would love to be a fly on the wall if some CAMP girl walks in while you're scanning the room for cameras.

[QUOTE=Bbinsider;4169573]Search on "hidden camera detectors" in the AMP store. They have mixed reviews. Amazon has a device also that isn't very much money. I would love to be a fly on the wall if some CAMP girl walks in while you're scanning the room for cameras.[/QUOTE]I intend to tell them that I am going to search the room for cameras. If they have a problem with that then I will go somewhere else. If I find a camera (unlikely but it could happen) then I will disable it. It's there illegally therefore I will do what I please with it.

He got the BBBJ, I never got that lucky, always got a HJ. I guess the rich people area get better service.

[URL]https://twitter.com/DanielleWaughTV/status/1100111710659272706[/URL]

[QUOTE=AaronHamlet;4169048][URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gv7uJUX3160[/URL][/QUOTE]My father gave me this advise 50 years ago. The few encounters I have ever had with LE, I've always respectively "shut up". I have never been arrested and nothing has ever happened because I've kept my mouth shut. The other advise he gave me was not to call him if I was ever in jail. He said I was on my own. I have passed this advise on to my children. Unfortunately, I have one son who cannot shut up. Last time, I told him he deserved what he got because he didn't shut up. He said that was the meanest thing I had ever said to him. LOL.

[QUOTE=ST0808;4169741]He got the BBBJ, I never got that lucky, always got a HJ. I guess the rich people area get better service.

[URL]https://twitter.com/DanielleWaughTV/status/1100111710659272706[/URL][/QUOTE]Some of those Twitter posts are hilarious.

Agree with night and BBinsider's positions. I could be wrong, but I just don't see the Florida AMP sting with hidden cameras happening here in Atlanta. 1. Doubtful any Arthur Blank-level individuals would be caught up in it here, therefore no major media exposure. 2. They way they ran the Florida operation, it was a significant investment of man-hours. Unless they uncover & bust a huge human trafficking operation, what has that signficant investment of resources gotten them. A bunch of mongers busted on misdemeanor charges that will plea down to nothing? I would think a police agency would have to justify such a significant expense, vs. Devoting those limited resources to go after unsolved rapes, murders, etc. Knowing what I know of local CAMPS, the ladies aren't trafficked and certainly don't need to be "rescued", despite what is hysterically portrayed in the media. They're in it for the money, don't live at their shops and many drive nice cars.

Anyone know someone higher up than beat cop in one of the metro Atlanta agencies? I'd be very curious to know what their opinion is on the likelihood of Fulton, Cobb, Gwinnett agencies following the Jupiter Police "template".

[QUOTE=Bbinsider;4169570]Your right on all counts. It's just a over-saturated story in a world of way too many news outlets. Men have been willing to pay, one way or another, for several thousand years. I think it's pretty safe to assume that isn't changing anytime soon.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=BigNeal;4169943]Agree with night and BBinsider's positions. I could be wrong, but I just don't see the Florida AMP sting with hidden cameras happening here in Atlanta. 1. Doubtful any Arthur Blank-level individuals would be caught up in it here, therefore no major media exposure. 2. They way they ran the Florida operation, it was a significant investment of man-hours. Unless they uncover & bust a huge human trafficking operation, what has that signficant investment of resources gotten them. A bunch of mongers busted on misdemeanor charges that will plea down to nothing? I would think a police agency would have to justify such a significant expense, vs. Devoting those limited resources to go after unsolved rapes, murders, etc. Knowing what I know of local CAMPS, the ladies aren't trafficked and certainly don't need to be "rescued", despite what is hysterically portrayed in the media. They're in it for the money, don't live at their shops and many drive nice cars.

Anyone know someone higher up than beat cop in one of the metro Atlanta agencies? I'd be very curious to know what their opinion is on the likelihood of Fulton, Cobb, Gwinnett agencies following the Jupiter Police "template".[/QUOTE]I'm waiting on Kraft's lawyers to file the initial illegal surveillance suit against the police since this was an absolutely illegal operation based on nothing but political hysteria. LE will eventually find out what a stupid and pointless endeavor this really was.

[QUOTE=HobbyMan51;4170131]I'm waiting on Kraft's lawyers to file the initial illegal surveillance suit against the police since this was an absolutely illegal operation based on nothing but political hysteria. LE will eventually find out what a stupid and pointless endeavor this really was.[/QUOTE]All the news and reports will push the idea of trafficking. Dosent Matter if there was trafficking.

Seems similar to what happened in chamblee no?

[QUOTE=AcWorthDude;4170295]All the news and reports will push the idea of trafficking. Dosent Matter if there was trafficking.

Seems similar to what happened in chamblee no?[/QUOTE]It was said long ago that the media exists for drama, and if there is no drama then the media will create the drama. This was said over 50 years ago by one of the leading political authors of that time. Today's media is our enemy, indeed THE enemy, for progressives and conservatives alike. There are no more Huntley-Brinkleys or Cronkites or Sevareid's, only drama seeking hysterical media ****** who are driving this country off a cliff. They love to be a part of the Sex Nazi gang because of the drama, not because they give a shit about any righteous cause. They would slit their grandmother's throat for a scoop.


BTW, the spell check wouldn't allow the word I wanted to use, appropriate enough though it is. The word's first two letters are wh for those who are sharp enough to figure it out.

[QUOTE=HobbyMan51;4170131]I'm waiting on Kraft's lawyers to file the initial illegal surveillance suit against the police since this was an absolutely illegal operation based on nothing but political hysteria. LE will eventually find out what a stupid and pointless endeavor this really was.[/QUOTE]Not a lawyer so I hope you're right about this being proved illegal. I'm not so sure at least in Florida. Apparently Fl officials used what's called a sneak and peek warrant to set up cameras. The Google suggests this kind of activity is fair game under the patriot act. But thankfully sneak and peeks aren't allowed in Georgia just yet. Video surveillance was thrown out in the Dunwoody bust last year. Just hope the GA legislature doesn't get too anxious about changing things. Still getting caught up in this will leave one with a lot of explaining.

Is about who reports it first, weather accurate or not. It's who's first sans credibility.