Rants, Raves, and Stupid Tinfoil Hat Wearing Conspiracy Bullshit

Anyone else noticing the quality dipping in the agency girls? I used to be able to book with confidence when BP was drying up but lately I've had a couple girls who were time wasters, advertised as doing this and that but when it came down to it they were just trying to get it over with. Not to say all agency girls are bad nowadays; for every two clunkers lately I've seen a winner. It just seems that if I'm spending $$$ and getting $ in performance I'd rather spend a little more time digging around CL and BP so at least I know what to expect. I dunno. Rant over. PM for details.

[QUOTE=NCHobbyist69;3336746]Anyone else noticing the quality dipping in the agency girls? I used to be able to book with confidence when BP was drying up but lately I've had a couple girls who were time wasters, advertised as doing this and that but when it came down to it they were just trying to get it over with. Not to say all agency girls are bad nowadays; for every two clunkers lately I've seen a winner. It just seems that if I'm spending $$$ and getting $ in performance I'd rather spend a little more time digging around CL and BP so at least I know what to expect. I dunno. Rant over. PM for details.[/QUOTE]Can you elaborate or maybe point out the ones to avoid? Or drop me a PM if you don't want to get on a blacklist. BP has been dissappointing to many but it is expected to be a roll of the dice. We expect more from an agency experience. Most of mine have been good, though some not as great as expected (I provided reviews). But I have to admit; the lack of surprises, cancelations, demons & theives is worth the extra $.

[QUOTE=MrNCbob;3337965]Can you elaborate or maybe point out the ones to avoid? Or drop me a PM if you don't want to get on a blacklist. BP has been dissappointing to many but it is expected to be a roll of the dice. We expect more from an agency experience. Most of mine have been good, though some not as great as expected (I provided reviews). But I have to admit; the lack of surprises, cancelations, demons & theives is worth the extra $.[/QUOTE]Well, I don't give a horse's behind about being blacklisted, but I also don't want to cause a dust-up publicly by naming bad agencies. I'll leave it at this -- if my fellow board members have questions or have had bad experiences with agencies they are free to PM me to share info.

That said, I don't mind publicly advancing QUALITY agencies that I'm comfortable with, like NCVIP Angels. Once in a while, I'll run into a clunker, but they usually aren't around with that operation long. Your chances are pretty good with Steve & company over there.

So I ended up looking at another review forum and one of the service providers was complaining about receiving text messages. Apparently her problem was that she rarely saved numbers and felt the guys were being too familiar with her. For example, she would get a message such as "Hi, are you available? To paraphrase she thought guys should leave their name and if they're never met an introduction. I've noticed that the response rate I get texting has gone down and I wonder if I should change the type of messages I send. Generally if I'm texting it means I'm at work or short on time so for me saying "Hi, are you available for incall?" maybe including the providers name makes sense. I know some SPs want to feel for lack of a better term courted or like it's not a simple transaction so I'm looking for opinions on what you all expect or what guys have been finding success with lately.

[QUOTE=JoeLooking;3352573]So I ended up looking at another review forum and one of the service providers was complaining about receiving text messages. Apparently her problem was that she rarely saved numbers and felt the guys were being too familiar with her. For example, she would get a message such as "Hi, are you available? To paraphrase she thought guys should leave their name and if they're never met an introduction. I've noticed that the response rate I get texting has gone down and I wonder if I should change the type of messages I send. Generally if I'm texting it means I'm at work or short on time so for me saying "Hi, are you available for incall?" maybe including the providers name makes sense. I know some SPs want to feel for lack of a better term courted or like it's not a simple transaction so I'm looking for opinions on what you all expect or what guys have been finding success with lately.[/QUOTE]It's not "courting" to only respond to texts that are more detailed than "are you available". An introductory message with at least a short description of yourself denotes a level of serious interest in booking with you. We are often plagued by time wasters or "shoppers" so a well thought out text message jumps out from the huge number of texts one typically gets. I assure you such a text message will only take up 15-30 seconds more of your time.

As for a "simple transaction", you do realize this isn't like ordering a pizza right?

[QUOTE=BreannaBreeze;3353304]It's not "courting" to only respond to texts that are more detailed than "are you available". An introductory message with at least a short description of yourself denotes a level of serious interest in booking with you. We are often plagued by time wasters or "shoppers" so a well thought out text message jumps out from the huge number of texts one typically gets. I assure you such a text message will only take up 15-30 seconds more of your time.

As for a "simple transaction", you do realize this isn't like ordering a pizza right?[/QUOTE]No, it's not like ordering a pizza. But there has to be a balance between busy gentlemen trying to schedule an appointment amidst work and family life, and providers who understand our situation and value our time. As long as there is mutual respect by both parties, I don't see what the issue is with short and sweet communication. In my mind, that just gets both parties together quicker, right? Be good to one another and all will be well.

I think a lot of it is specific to the provider. If I haven't met the girl personally yet I always err on the side of using more words. That being said, there are some providers that I know well and can literally text "2?" And she'll respond "yes" and I'll show up at her place at 2. It just takes two words, but obviously that is the exception. Oh, and "Hi Breanna!" It's always nice to have a provider weigh in with their opinions!

[QUOTE=NCHobbyist69;3353444]No, it's not like ordering a pizza. But there has to be a balance between busy gentlemen trying to schedule an appointment amidst work and family life, and providers who understand our situation and value our time. As long as there is mutual respect by both parties, I don't see what the issue is with short and sweet communication. In my mind, that just gets both parties together quicker, right? Be good to one another and all will be well.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=BreannaBreeze;3353304]It's not "courting" to only respond to texts that are more detailed than "are you available". An introductory message with at least a short description of yourself denotes a level of serious interest in booking with you. We are often plagued by time wasters or "shoppers" so a well thought out text message jumps out from the huge number of texts one typically gets. I assure you such a text message will only take up 15-30 seconds more of your time.

As for a "simple transaction", you do realize this isn't like ordering a pizza right?[/QUOTE]To all in this conversation: If you look back, I recently asked a similar question here about how to get a provider's attention. When work is busy, I get few play-days. So I make sure I am ready (many ads say, don't call unless you are ready). Then approaching the top of the hour I would call and leave a VM, then follow up with text. No answer. Would wait for the bottom of the hour and call / text again. No answer. Ok. Try another. Same process, no answer. One gal answered on my second attemp but stayed silent like she did not mean to answer, then hung up. And I usually try to leave a more detailed text, but thought maybe I needed to leave short texts (thank you BB for info). One reader suggested I send a picture of cash, which I thought would be taken as an insult. Another said to text three girls together, but I can't even find three girls I really want to see and the popular ones need pre-book. I got some suggestions from members but not much info from the ladies in this forum, and more would still be appreciated if you can PM me. But I guess if every ass hole had the majic text message that would get a girl's attention, she would not be able to weed them out. So I just communicate with a new provider with the same respect I would any potential date. So far, it worked once to help me reach a provider who is generally known to be hard to reach. However, it still did not work out so my next adventure was with an agency so I could avoid any difficulty and last minute cancellation.

[QUOTE=MrNCbob;3353675]To all in this conversation: If you look back, I recently asked a similar question here about how to get a provider's attention. When work is busy, I get few play-days. So I make sure I am ready (many ads say, don't call unless you are ready). Then approaching the top of the hour I would call and leave a VM, then follow up with text. No answer. Would wait for the bottom of the hour and call / text again. No answer. Ok. Try another. Same process, no answer. One gal answered on my second attemp but stayed silent like she did not mean to answer, then hung up. And I usually try to leave a more detailed text, but thought maybe I needed to leave short texts (thank you BB for info). One reader suggested I send a picture of cash, which I thought would be taken as an insult. Another said to text three girls together, but I can't even find three girls I really want to see and the popular ones need pre-book. I got some suggestions from members but not much info from the ladies in this forum, and more would still be appreciated if you can PM me. But I guess if every ass hole had the majic text message that would get a girl's attention, she would not be able to weed them out. So I just communicate with a new provider with the same respect I would any potential date. So far, it worked once to help me reach a provider who is generally known to be hard to reach. However, it still did not work out so my next adventure was with an agency so I could avoid any difficulty and last minute cancellation.[/QUOTE]I don't know the types of providers you are going for but it's important to remember we aren't available 24/7 and many can't be available at the drop of a hat. You can buy ads on BP that go to the top of the list every hour for x amount of hours. I wouldn't suggest sending pics of cash, wannabe handlers send those too you know?

It also depends on the time you are trying to schedule (provided she takes on last minute appointments). The most popular windows of time for us are 10 am-2 pm, and 4 pm-7 pm.

You are more than welcome to PM me.

Guys, what would you do if you booked an appointment with a provider, she calls to cancel 2-3 hours prior. You show up anyway and see her with another client?

[QUOTE=FrankenFurter;3357459]Guys, what would you do if you booked an appointment with a provider, she calls to cancel 2-3 hours prior. You show up anyway and see her with another client?[/QUOTE]Treating this as a for real.

If she canceled you why would you go anyway? Is this someone you are a regular with or are you a new client?

Never forget, this is pay for play. Choose to let it slide and reschedule if you want to still see her or move on. She gave you notice.

Showing up is weird and just looking for trouble in an illegal business.

[QUOTE=FrankenFurter;3357459]Guys, what would you do if you booked an appointment with a provider, she calls to cancel 2-3 hours prior. You show up anyway and see her with another client?[/QUOTE]Happened yesterday. Made an appt bypassing her scheduler. Her scheduler made an appt at same time. I got bumped. I knew this was a risk and all part of business. She called and said I could come a little later but sloppy (kinda since everything is covered.) seconds aren't my thing. So I met another provider I'll see the other one first thing another day.

Sounds like you might be getting a little emotionally attached, but there are lots of reasons to get bumped. Remember this is a business. How do you know she was with another client?

Med.

[QUOTE=MedJohnson;3357698]Happened yesterday. Made an appt bypassing her scheduler. Her scheduler made an appt at same time. I got bumped. I knew this was a risk and all part of business. She called and said I could come a little later but sloppy (kinda since everything is covered.) seconds aren't my thing. So I met another provider I'll see the other one first thing another day.

Sounds like you might be getting a little emotionally attached, but there are lots of reasons to get bumped. Remember this is a business. How do you know she was with another client?

Med.[/QUOTE]Not me. I was the "other" client and was confronted. Fool.

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The clarification crossed into being a threat. I couldn't tell if the OP was the "other guy" or not.

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[QUOTE=FrankenFurter;3357459]Guys, what would you do if you booked an appointment with a provider, she calls to cancel 2-3 hours prior. You show up anyway and see her with another client?[/QUOTE]Why would you be jealous? Let it go, she gave you notice.

[QUOTE=FrankenFurter;3357459]Guys, what would you do if you booked an appointment with a provider, she calls to cancel 2-3 hours prior. You show up anyway and see her with another client?[/QUOTE]It is a business. Without knowing your particular situation, its hard to say. Here's an even easier idea. Obtain a temporary burner number, and text the provider. That's how I caught my formerly ATF lying to me. Its one thing to cancel. Theres nothing wrong with that. But when they say they are NOT AVAILABLE, then post an ad its time to call BULLSHIT. When they get caught in a lie they get PISSED! But alas, they all lie! MegaWatt out!

[QUOTE=FrankenFurter;3357459]Guys, what would you do if you booked an appointment with a provider, she calls to cancel 2-3 hours prior. You show up anyway and see her with another client?[/QUOTE]I would definitely not show up. Whatever her reasons for cancelling, she did let you know even if the notice was fairly short. Would you show up at the dentist if they cancelled your appointment? Remember, it's an appointment, not a date. It's business, like any other appointment. Showing up while she's with another client would be awkward for everyone, and a lot of these girls talk to each other. If you going to build a rep, don't build a bad one. Move on, book someone else and try her again some other time. Call in a favor for the short notice cancellation if you can.

I explained this wrong. I was the "other client" the other fool confronted me. Me??

[QUOTE=Purple45;3355715]
Scams can come in ways you might not expect so have rules to protect your hard earned cash and your manhood![/QUOTE]There is a difference between a dude with tits and a transgendered person who has gone through the complete process of becoming the other sex. Including an operation (or many operations) to 'change' their gender assigned sexual organs into an approximation of their currently identified gender's sexual organs.

I have to admit, I have never had relations with someone in this situation, but in a previous life as a surgical nurse I have assisted with the operations to do both MTF and FTM conversions and if they are willing to go through the screening, preparation, pain and recovery from such, then they deserve the respect from anyone else to identify as what ever they choose.

And as for being fooled. 1: The woman in question is not fooling anyone. She admits freely to what her history is. 2: If someone who has had a MTF conversion done in the US in the last 20 years chose to not tell you, you would not know unless you were a damned gynecologist or just KNEW the details that can give it away. And occasionally even I have been fooled by patients that were of what we called 'ambiguous genitalia' at birth and had elected to have their anatomy altered to more fit a male or female identification. Children are born often with parts from both, missing a part or a combo of sort of parts that defies definition. Most often at a young age doctors and parents determine which way the anatomy is 'leaning' and what is more fitting for the child personality and proceed with surgery to move them more towards that 'leaning'.

So no, I do not think that having sex with a person who has undergone gender reassignment surgery makes you gay. It makes you brave at best or at least curious about the world at worst.

[QUOTE=MegaWattMaker;3357777]It is a business. Without knowing your particular situation, its hard to say. Here's an even easier idea. Obtain a temporary burner number, and text the provider. That's how I caught my formerly ATF lying to me. Its one thing to cancel. Theres nothing wrong with that. But when they say they are NOT AVAILABLE, then post an ad its time to call BULLSHIT. When they get caught in a lie they get PISSED! But alas, they all lie! MegaWatt out![/QUOTE]They all lie. If they cancel move on to the next. Once you get so involved with one that a cancelation pisses you off its time to rethink your status. Whether its a valid reason or better offer it happens. When you get so involved that you confront them its time to revaluate your situation.

[QUOTE=Dirk63;3357799]I would definitely not show up. Whatever her reasons for cancelling, she did let you know even if the notice was fairly short. Would you show up at the dentist if they cancelled your appointment? Remember, it's an appointment, not a date. It's business, like any other appointment. Showing up while she's with another client would be awkward for everyone, and a lot of these girls talk to each other. If you going to build a rep, don't build a bad one. Move on, book someone else and try her again some other time. Call in a favor for the short notice cancellation if you can.[/QUOTE]To add to this: Review her. There is a thread on BP forum where a member gave all his recent good reviews. A few days later he added the bad reviews. Members thanked him just as much for the follow up, saying that bad reviews are just as important as the good ones. But I think a 3 hour advance notice is reasonable and not the same as flaking out or going silent once you have traveled to her area. When that happens, we need to know. If you think it deserves a review, tell us about the appointment and the cancellation honestly, and others can judge if it affects their future choices. Maybe she does it a lot and more members will confirm. If not, her good reviews will over shadow an occational hick up.

For clarifying b / c your pronoun choices made it seems as though you were the one she bumped.

Need more details- was he threatening you? In your face? I'd just keep walking, maybe a half hearted apology. No need for drama.

Med.

[QUOTE=FrankenFurter;3357840]I explained this wrong. I was the "other client" the other fool confronted me. Me??[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=FrankenFurter;3357840]I explained this wrong. I was the "other client" the other fool confronted me. Me??[/QUOTE]If you were the guy she cancelled another appointment so she could see you. You're good to go. Sounds like the other monger is the one with his feelings hurt. MegaWatt out!

[QUOTE=FrankenFurter;3357459]Guys, what would you do if you booked an appointment with a provider, she calls to cancel 2-3 hours prior. You show up anyway and see her with another client?[/QUOTE]Had you already paid? In all reality you should be thankful she cancelled and didn't leave you waiting in a parking lot. Even if you're regular there could be a lot of reasons for her seeing someone else. Maybe he wasn't exactly a client. Maybe he offered more. Maybe he was from out of town. At the end of the day our interactions with sex workers are not relationships (you don't outright pay for sex in a true relationship or at least the person gives you cash about as often as you give it to them). Our interactions are transactions and just that. If you're getting jealous or attached then it's likely time to find a new provider, meet women a different way or try to get an arrangement with her.

Not to sound overly harsh but what did you expect to gain by showing up?

[QUOTE=Dasalt;3357960]
And as for being fooled. 1: The woman in question is not fooling anyone. She admits freely to what her history is. 2: If someone who has had a MTF conversion done in the US in the last 20 years chose to not tell you, you would not know unless you were a damned gynecologist or just KNEW the details that can give it away. And occasionally even I have been fooled by patients that were of what we called 'ambiguous genitalia' at birth and had elected to have their anatomy altered to more fit a male or female identification. Children are born often with parts from both, missing a part or a combo of sort of parts that defies definition. Most often at a young age doctors and parents determine which way the anatomy is 'leaning' and what is more fitting for the child personality and proceed with surgery to move them more towards that 'leaning'.

So no, I do not think that having sex with a person who has undergone gender reassignment surgery makes you gay. It makes you brave at best or at least curious about the world at worst.[/QUOTE]Well said.

[QUOTE=JoeLooking;3358570]Had you already paid? In all reality you should be thankful she cancelled and didn't leave you waiting in a parking lot. Even if you're regular there could be a lot of reasons for her seeing someone else. Maybe he wasn't exactly a client. Maybe he offered more. Maybe he was from out of town. At the end of the day our interactions with sex workers are not relationships (you don't outright pay for sex in a true relationship or at least the person gives you cash about as often as you give it to them). Our interactions are transactions and just that. If you're getting jealous or attached then it's likely time to find a new provider, meet women a different way or try to get an arrangement with her.

Not to sound overly harsh but what did you expect to gain by showing up?[/QUOTE]Someone cancels I don't show up and thank them for canceling. Simple.

[QUOTE=JoeLooking;3358570]Had you already paid? In all reality you should be thankful she cancelled and didn't leave you waiting in a parking lot. Even if you're regular there could be a lot of reasons for her seeing someone else. Maybe he wasn't exactly a client. Maybe he offered more. Maybe he was from out of town. At the end of the day our interactions with sex workers are not relationships (you don't outright pay for sex in a true relationship or at least the person gives you cash about as often as you give it to them). Our interactions are transactions and just that. If you're getting jealous or attached then it's likely time to find a new provider, meet women a different way or try to get an arrangement with her.

Not to sound overly harsh but what did you expect to gain by showing up?[/QUOTE]Unless this provider is working out if her residence what kind of amateur gives you her location and room number 2-3 hours prior?

Red flags.

We should all have compassion for those born with both genetilia and requiring assignment surgery or choosing motor assign but keeping both. The question was not the complicated on you posed though. Nothing wrong with any kink concerning adults want to take on. Sex with a TS is something someone likes and may have another term. But surgically changing a man does not make sex with another man heterosexual.

[QUOTE=Dasalt;3357960]There is a difference between a dude with tits and a transgendered person who has gone through the complete process of becoming the other sex. Including an operation (or many operations) to 'change' their gender assigned sexual organs into an approximation of their currently identified gender's sexual organs.

I have to admit, I have never had relations with someone in this situation, but in a previous life as a surgical nurse I have assisted with the operations to do both MTF and FTM conversions and if they are willing to go through the screening, preparation, pain and recovery from such, then they deserve the respect from anyone else to identify as what ever they choose.

And as for being fooled. 1: The woman in question is not fooling anyone. She admits freely to what her history is. 2: If someone who has had a MTF conversion done in the US in the last 20 years chose to not tell you, you would not know unless you were a damned gynecologist or just KNEW the details that can give it away. And occasionally even I have been fooled by patients that were of what we called 'ambiguous genitalia' at birth and had elected to have their anatomy altered to more fit a male or female identification. Children are born often with parts from both, missing a part or a combo of sort of parts that defies definition. Most often at a young age doctors and parents determine which way the anatomy is 'leaning' and what is more fitting for the child personality and proceed with surgery to move them more towards that 'leaning'.

So no, I do not think that having sex with a person who has undergone gender reassignment surgery makes you gay. It makes you brave at best or at least curious about the world at worst.[/QUOTE]

So he confronted you and.

[QUOTE=FrankenFurter;3357840]I explained this wrong. I was the "other client" the other fool confronted me. Me??[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Dsrtp1;3359918]Unless this provider is working out if her residence what kind of amateur gives you her location and room number 2-3 hours prior?

Red flags.[/QUOTE]He may have been a repeat. Also when I prebook I usually want the hotel address doesn't matter if it's 1 hour or 1 day in advance if you can't give me that info then I know you're not serious.

IMO there's no reason for any sex worker who doesn't have a drug problem to be staying at certain hotels. In addition to it not really being much cheaper better hotels put most guys at ease and helps to justify price point. I had a chick today say she was staying at the ABVI near Crabtree. I've got nothing against that hotel but given the other options around there choosing that one says something about the provider. It also makes me question her 200/300 price point.

On my list of no gos are:

Any ABVI (they tend to attract shady people and most are run down).

Motel 6 (still haven't found a clean one lately).

City Studios.

Roadway Inn.

Like all people I make exceptions but usually I've found nothing but shadyness in the aforementioend hotels. Even when I've had a good time I've never felt easy walking to or from my car.

Posted about a visit on cap- at one of the brands you mention- ghetto rats every where. She was probably top 3 prettiest Asian I have visited but I won't be back. I let the scheduler know but suhe is still there. Asking same $ as girls at nicer places.

I think one problem is that the high volume girls draw the attention of the hotel workers much more easily at the nicer places, especially with an indoor only entrance. I've definitely gotten the stink eye from grandma working the evening shift at a place on new bern- I think she thought she works at a nicer place than it was in reality.

Med.

[QUOTE=JoeLooking;3361313]IMO there's no reason for any sex worker who doesn't have a drug problem to be staying at certain hotels. In addition to it not really being much cheaper better hotels put most guys at ease and helps to justify price point. I had a chick today say she was staying at the ABVI near Crabtree. I've got nothing against that hotel but given the other options around there choosing that one says something about the provider. It also makes me question her 200/300 price point.

On my list of no gos are:

Any ABVI (they tend to attract shady people and most are run down).

Motel 6 (still haven't found a clean one lately).

City Studios.

Roadway Inn.

Like all people I make exceptions but usually I've found nothing but shadyness in the aforementioend hotels. Even when I've had a good time I've never felt easy walking to or from my car.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Dasalt;3357960]There is a difference between a dude with tits and a transgendered person who has gone through the complete process of becoming the other sex. Including an operation (or many operations) to 'change' their gender assigned sexual organs into an approximation of their currently identified gender's sexual organs.

I have to admit, I have never had relations with someone in this situation, but in a previous life as a surgical nurse I have assisted with the operations to do both MTF and FTM conversions and if they are willing to go through the screening, preparation, pain and recovery from such, then they deserve the respect from anyone else to identify as what ever they choose.

And as for being fooled. 1: The woman in question is not fooling anyone. She admits freely to what her history is. 2: If someone who has had a MTF conversion done in the US in the last 20 years chose to not tell you, you would not know unless you were a damned gynecologist or just KNEW the details that can give it away. And occasionally even I have been fooled by patients that were of what we called 'ambiguous genitalia' at birth and had elected to have their anatomy altered to more fit a male or female identification. Children are born often with parts from both, missing a part or a combo of sort of parts that defies definition. Most often at a young age doctors and parents determine which way the anatomy is 'leaning' and what is more fitting for the child personality and proceed with surgery to move them more towards that 'leaning'.

So no, I do not think that having sex with a person who has undergone gender reassignment surgery makes you gay. It makes you brave at best or at least curious about the world at worst.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=ChaphillMan;3360203]We should all have compassion for those born with both genetilia and requiring assignment surgery or choosing motor assign but keeping both. The question was not the complicated on you posed though. Nothing wrong with any kink concerning adults want to take on. Sex with a TS is something someone likes and may have another term. But surgically changing a man does not make sex with another man heterosexual.[/QUOTE]Dasalt, if you followed the comments of gay or no gay there was no disrespect just an opinion of whether a person was or was not. Individuals who look in any escort section are looking for a woman. Not a man dressed as a woman or a man who has fake tits but still has a penis. I will also take it a step further and say that most men who are looking for a woman in an escort section are looking for a female who was born a female. This was the reason for my post because there are instances where an hobyist calls an ad and commits to an arrangement; he does it with the assumption that the meeting is with a female. A female who was born a female and not a man re-designed to look like a female. In this hobby you come across all types of people to include some people who pose as women with no intentions of being honest about who they really are because (1) he wants your dick and (2) he wants some cash. This is false advertisement and a conscious attempt to mislead for selfish reasons. This also serious business because some people have ended up dead because the provider was not straight forward in the beginning. A hobbyist's manhood or the provider's self-worth can turn violent because both strongly believe in the position they stand on.

Now if a person has sex with someone who has undergone gender reassignment surgery does that make them gay? I say the answer is yes. You can not change the female or male identification chromosome or all the other differences that make a male a male or a female a female just by surgically switching some body parts. If Purple45 believes he is Superman and he looks like Superman and he jumps from a 50 story building; will he fly? Some people can identify with whomever they want to see themselves as but whether right or wrong they shouldn't force others to accept their view to justify their individual decision or to make themselves feel better.

[QUOTE=Purple45;3362245]Dasalt, if you followed the comments of gay or no gay there was no disrespect just an opinion of whether a person was or was not. Individuals who look in any escort section are looking for a woman. Not a man dressed as a woman or a man who has fake tits but still has a penis. I will also take it a step further and say that most men who are looking for a woman in an escort section are looking for a female who was born a female. This was the reason for my post because there are instances where an hobyist calls an ad and commits to an arrangement; he does it with the assumption that the meeting is with a female. A female who was born a female and not a man re-designed to look like a female. In this hobby you come across all types of people to include some people who pose as women with no intentions of being honest about who they really are because (1) he wants your dick and (2) he wants some cash. This is false advertisement and a conscious attempt to mislead for selfish reasons. This also serious business because some people have ended up dead because the provider was not straight forward in the beginning. A hobbyist's manhood or the provider's self-worth can turn violent because both strongly believe in the position they stand on.

Now if a person has sex with someone who has undergone gender reassignment surgery does that make them gay? I say the answer is yes. You can not change the female or male identification chromosome or all the other differences that make a male a male or a female a female just by surgically switching some body parts. If Purple45 believes he is Superman and he looks like Superman and he jumps from a 50 story building; will he fly? Some people can identify with whomever they want to see themselves as but whether right or wrong they shouldn't force others to accept their view to justify their individual decision or to make themselves feel better.[/QUOTE]It's still an apple if you remove the stem.

[QUOTE=Purple45;3362245]Dasalt, if you followed the comments of gay or no gay there was no disrespect just an opinion of whether a person was or was not. Individuals who look in any escort section are looking for a woman. Not a man dressed as a woman or a man who has fake tits but still has a penis. I will also take it a step further and say that most men who are looking for a woman in an escort section are looking for a female who was born a female. This was the reason for my post because there are instances where an hobyist calls an ad and commits to an arrangement; he does it with the assumption that the meeting is with a female. A female who was born a female and not a man re-designed to look like a female. In this hobby you come across all types of people to include some people who pose as women with no intentions of being honest about who they really are because (1) he wants your dick and (2) he wants some cash. This is false advertisement and a conscious attempt to mislead for selfish reasons. This also serious business because some people have ended up dead because the provider was not straight forward in the beginning. A hobbyist's manhood or the provider's self-worth can turn violent because both strongly believe in the position they stand on.

Now if a person has sex with someone who has undergone gender reassignment surgery does that make them gay? I say the answer is yes. You can not change the female or male identification chromosome or all the other differences that make a male a male or a female a female just by surgically switching some body parts. If Purple45 believes he is Superman and he looks like Superman and he jumps from a 50 story building; will he fly? Some people can identify with whomever they want to see themselves as but whether right or wrong they shouldn't force others to accept their view to justify their individual decision or to make themselves feel better.[/QUOTE]What if a man has sex with someone who has undergone sexual reassignment surgery and doesn't know they weren't born as a woman? Does it still make that person gay? How do you know that you've never had sex with someone who has undergone that surgery? There are many out there where not even I could tell the difference.

[QUOTE=BreannaBreeze;3362411]What if a man has sex with someone who has undergone sexual reassignment surgery and doesn't know they weren't born as a woman? Does it still make that person gay? How do you know that you've never had sex with someone who has undergone that surgery? There are many out there where not even I could tell the difference.[/QUOTE]I don't think it makes the person gay at all. But that's just me. I, personally, want a woman that was born a woman and get annoyed when I see post on BP of chicks who've undergone reassignment surgery or chicks with a sausage. Again, that's just me. However, I really try my best to not share an opinion on the subject because everyone should be able to have sex with who they want to have sex with. Just felt compelled to comment because there has been so many post on the topic.

What I do wonder about is if anyone has seen any of the new girls that have been posting on BP? The review thread has been relatively stale. I haven't seen a girl in months. I'm kind of over the risk but do like living vicariously through you guys.

Just following the logistics here.

If having sex with a man-made box makes you gay, then having / enjoying anal sex makes you gay, too.

[blue]Sorry baby, false analogy there. There's nothing at all gay about me lusting after that ass of yours.

Just saying,

A2[/blue]

There was a time in my life when I would have said it made you gay to have sex with a transsexual but after living in a place where it's far more ordinary than here in the US I can tell you it does not. Most transsexuals see themselves as a member of the gender they transition to and that's how they live their lives. I've never been with one but from what I understand once they transition there's really no difference. Apparently surgeons can do wonder in regards to making a vagina.

The above said, I do always advise caution when dealing with transsexuals and that advice applies here, in Asia and so forth. Surgery and hormones are expensive and at times desperation leads to bad actions. In addition, may transsexuals are as strong as men and some can be a bit violent.

With respect to A2's reply and equal respect to Molly's comment. An ass is an ass and a mouth is a mouth, so the debate resides in one's own head (no pun intended.) Of course, someone who is trans should make their point obvious before any interaction is made so all parties involved are aware of the circumstances. In the end, anatomically speaking, it's all the same.

[QUOTE=MollyDaniels;3363206]Just following the logistics here.

If having sex with a man-made box makes you gay, then having / enjoying anal sex makes you gay, too.

[blue]Sorry baby, false analogy there. There's nothing at all gay about me lusting after that ass of yours.

Just saying,

A2[/blue][/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=JoeLooking;3363830]There was a time in my life when I would have said it made you gay to have sex with a transsexual but after living in a place where it's far more ordinary than here in the US I can tell you it does not. Most transsexuals see themselves as a member of the gender they transition to and that's how they live their lives. I've never been with one but from what I understand once they transition there's really no difference. Apparently surgeons can do wonder in regards to making a vagina.

The above said, I do always advise caution when dealing with transsexuals and that advice applies here, in Asia and so forth. Surgery and hormones are expensive and at times desperation leads to bad actions. In addition, may transsexuals are as strong as men and some can be a bit violent.[/QUOTE]If a guy masturbates then he's gay 'cause he's got his hand on a cock.

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