Rants and Raves

[QUOTE=Allen981;3411324]The day I have to browbeat girls on price at the end of the month to save a few bucks is the day I quit the hobby.

Have I been screwed over a time or two? Sure, but the positives have far outweighed any negative. Some girls, you'll never see again; others smoke or snort it away. But others, you see them a second time, they treat you very well. And a few, you might see a spark to get back to real life. I've seen girls go from backpage to a classroom teaching, another who is a very successful writer, and another who works in finance for a large company.

Conduct yourself as you like, but remember that while these girls are down and out, you're down in the slop with them. Newbies, rest assured, playing cheap will cost you in the long run.

Just my take, and I've had a ton of fun along the way.[/QUOTE]I am always amused at how sanctimonious hobbyist can get. I get it, they are humans with feelings etc. But business is business. Treat them with respect and courtesy always! But don't fool yourself, they are in it for the money, and the money only, they do not get up in the morning and think to themselves, I am looking forward to some old man fondling me today. I just love that fat slob with hair on his back trying to fuck me with his half limp dick and bad breath. Hell naw! 60 or 1000, it doesn't matter, it's the same for them. They get lucky from time to time and find some sympathetic simp willing to pay double what someone else will pay and they have done well that day. Other times, they get half for the same service. It is a transaction like any other nothing more, nothing less. You have a service or commodity I want I offer you what I think it is worth, you accept my offer or you do not. The negotiation starts there. It's really that simple. Question -- when is the best time to buy a car? Answer -- at the end of the month or even better the end of the model year.

Newbies and experienced hobbyist alike, do not think for one minute that you mean a damn thing to any one of these girls. That's what wives and girlfriends are for. If you negotiate a price, pay the price. If you get exceptional service, tip accordingly, if you get shitty service, tip accordingly. Do what you want, but if I can get a good hamburger for 2. 50 at one place, or the same hamburger across the street for 1. 50, I'm going for the 1. 50 every single time.

SMFH.

[QUOTE=Allen981;3411324]The day I have to browbeat girls on price at the end of the month to save a few bucks is the day I quit the hobby.

In fact, I've often padded the envelope without prompting.

Of course, that's the way I've run my personal business over the years, and I ain't changing now.

Have I been screwed over a time or two? Sure, but the positives have far outweighed any negative. Some girls, you'll never see again; others smoke or snort it away. But others, you see them a second time, they treat you very well. And a few, you might see a spark to get back to real life. I've seen girls go from backpage to a classroom teaching, another who is a very successful writer, and another who works in finance for a large company.

Conduct yourself as you like, but remember that while these girls are down and out, you're down in the slop with them. Newbies, rest assured, playing cheap will cost you in the long run.

Just my take, and I've had a ton of fun along the way.[/QUOTE]I am very cautious and can probably count on one hand the amount of truly bad experiences I have had. I treat these ladies with respect and we know upfront what the deal is and the agreed upon amount. If I get a call from a UTR on the 1st, like I did this morning, saying she is short 50 for rent that needs to be paid today and she will give me BBBJ and covered full if I can come by, I say I'll be there at lunch. I'm not going to give her more but I am going to be nice to her and then bend her over and get my nut. My guess, she'll contact me again at a discount.

I don't care what she does when I am not with her. Does she have a "real" job? Great. Does she have a boyfriend? I don't care. Does she get on her knees for me and take it how I want to give it? If that is a yes, let's do this. They don't care about me. I don't care about them. They are just someone to help keep my stress down.

[QUOTE=Barrytwins;3411727]I am very cautious and can probably count on one hand the amount of truly bad experiences I have had. I treat these ladies with respect and we know upfront what the deal is and the agreed upon amount. If I get a call from a UTR on the 1st, like I did this morning, saying she is short 50 for rent that needs to be paid today and she will give me BBBJ and covered full if I can come by, I say I'll be there at lunch. I'm not going to give her more but I am going to be nice to her and then bend her over and get my nut. My guess, she'll contact me again at a discount.

I don't care what she does when I am not with her. Does she have a "real" job? Great. Does she have a boyfriend? I don't care. Does she get on her knees for me and take it how I want to give it? If that is a yes, let's do this. They don't care about me. I don't care about them. They are just someone to help keep my stress down.[/QUOTE]I can appreciate how you operate Barry!

Rather than just a hamburger, my approach has often gotten me a nice steak. For what you're paying for hamburger.

I'm completely realistic about the hobby; most times, it's just a 'transaction' as you describe, done and gone, regardless of what is charged or paid. But not always, and it's those incredible encounters that make things interesting.

Have fun and stay safe.

[QUOTE=MrHobbyist;3411596]I am always amused at how sanctimonious hobbyist can get. I get it, they are humans with feelings etc. But business is business. Treat them with respect and courtesy always! But don't fool yourself, they are in it for the money, and the money only, they do not get up in the morning and think to themselves, I am looking forward to some old man fondling me today. I just love that fat slob with hair on his back trying to fuck me with his half limp dick and bad breath. Hell naw! 60 or 1000, it doesn't matter, it's the same for them. They get lucky from time to time and find some sympathetic simp willing to pay double what someone else will pay and they have done well that day. Other times, they get half for the same service. It is a transaction like any other nothing more, nothing less. You have a service or commodity I want I offer you what I think it is worth, you accept my offer or you do not. The negotiation starts there. It's really that simple. Question -- when is the best time to buy a car? Answer -- at the end of the month or even better the end of the model year.

Newbies and experienced hobbyist alike, do not think for one minute that you mean a damn thing to any one of these girls. That's what wives and girlfriends are for. If you negotiate a price, pay the price. If you get exceptional service, tip accordingly, if you get shitty service, tip accordingly. Do what you want, but if I can get a good hamburger for 2. 50 at one place, or the same hamburger across the street for 1. 50, I'm going for the 1. 50 every single time.

SMFH.[/QUOTE]

I completely agree with everything MrHobbyist stated here. Always respect the ladies but know this is a business transaction first and foremost.

[QUOTE=MrHobbyist;3411596]I am always amused at how sanctimonious hobbyist can get. I get it, they are humans with feelings etc. But business is business. Treat them with respect and courtesy always! But don't fool yourself, they are in it for the money, and the money only, they do not get up in the morning and think to themselves, I am looking forward to some old man fondling me today. I just love that fat slob with hair on his back trying to fuck me with his half limp dick and bad breath. Hell naw! 60 or 1000, it doesn't matter, it's the same for them. They get lucky from time to time and find some sympathetic simp willing to pay double what someone else will pay and they have done well that day. Other times, they get half for the same service. It is a transaction like any other nothing more, nothing less. You have a service or commodity I want I offer you what I think it is worth, you accept my offer or you do not. The negotiation starts there. It's really that simple. Question -- when is the best time to buy a car? Answer -- at the end of the month or even better the end of the model year.

Newbies and experienced hobbyist alike, do not think for one minute that you mean a damn thing to any one of these girls. That's what wives and girlfriends are for. If you negotiate a price, pay the price. If you get exceptional service, tip accordingly, if you get shitty service, tip accordingly. Do what you want, but if I can get a good hamburger for 2. 50 at one place, or the same hamburger across the street for 1. 50, I'm going for the 1. 50 every single time.

SMFH.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Allen981;3411324]The day I have to browbeat girls on price at the end of the month to save a few bucks is the day I quit the hobby.

In fact, I've often padded the envelope without prompting.

Of course, that's the way I've run my personal business over the years, and I ain't changing now.

Have I been screwed over a time or two? Sure, but the positives have far outweighed any negative. Some girls, you'll never see again; others smoke or snort it away. But others, you see them a second time, they treat you very well. And a few, you might see a spark to get back to real life. I've seen girls go from backpage to a classroom teaching, another who is a very successful writer, and another who works in finance for a large company.

Conduct yourself as you like, but remember that while these girls are down and out, you're down in the slop with them. Newbies, rest assured, playing cheap will cost you in the long run.

Just my take, and I've had a ton of fun along the way.[/QUOTE]I believe in always treating people with respect until they take it for granted, regardless of who it is.

The thing is, providers are more like drug dealers than respectable establishments, and they will get over on us any chance they get. They also sniff out weakness like bassetthounds and prey on the easy victims. Hence, the common no black men rule.

Paying as little as possible is just universal good business. I only tip when it's deserved for good service. Many providers will appreciate being treated well anyway. No reason to pay extra accross the board. This is where some of these providers get their crazy ideas from. I'm not cool with hour rates for qvs with girls who look the same and give the same service. I can understand a little more for those who really enjoy what they do.

[QUOTE=HeadHunting;3415221]

Paying as little as possible is just universal good business. [/QUOTE]No, it's not.

Good business is paying what you've decided something is worth; that, in turn, is limited by what you can sustainably afford.

I can hardly resist lecturing on economics, but I'm going to resist the temptation and just lay this out practically as a Guide to Monger Finance. (EDIT: I lectured a little bit.)

You have to make two decisions here: what fraction of take home pay do you want to commit to the hobby, and what frequency do you want to indulge in it. Multiply your take home by the fraction, and divide that by the frequency, and you have your budget per encounter; then, simply adhere to it within a 20% range (either way) to give you on-site flexibility. It's pretty simple.

Example:

Melvin the Monger makes $200,000 per year. Melvin is smart, so he maxes his 401 k, cafeteria plan, and Roth (about $28 k total), so after taxes he's taking home about 110 k (varies by state). Melvin understands that he's setting about 10% of his income aside for retirement, and because he's not a huge loser, he's definitely not spending more than THAT on rental pussy, so he decides spending 2% seems reasonable: this gives Melvin a $2200 annual budget for The Hobby.

Now, this means Melvin can do $40 quickies every week, or a $180 escort monthly, or a porn star quarterly, or some mix. Melvin is a fairly successful guy, so he really doesn't see himself tussling with hood rats, so he nixes the $40 quickies, and instead treats himself to hourly sessions at a KAMP, or hitting up a stripper he knows, etc. That's his thing, and he's pretty happy.

Notice, though, that a guy who makes $600,000 is going to have three times the budget, OR his buddy at the firm with the same income might just hobby more seriously and devote 10% of his after-tax to the hobby, also tripling his budget. It can vary.

So you see, when you have mongers with different incomes, varying levels of interest, and different frequency needs, you suddenly wind up with a range of prices, from Melvin's occasional $40 quickie to our $600 k guy who just hits Vegas once a quarter to fuck a $1500 porn star. That's a HEALTHY market.

Here's an fun fact about pricing, courtesy of power law probability distributions: If the average price of a service is $X, then 20% of the market will be willing to pay $4X for an upgraded version of the service, and 20% of the market will be willing to pay $X /4 for a downgraded version; after that, 4% of the market will be willing to pay $16X for a VERY nice version of the product, and 4% will be willing to pay $X /16 for a VERY downgraded version. If you have a large enough market, 0. 8% will pay $64X for an AMAZING version of the product or service, and 0. 8% will be willing to pay $X /64 for a version just not even worth having.

That's why we have a world in which pedestrians slogging through rain and Bugatti Veyrons can coexist.

Looking at adult services, what does this mean? If the average (and I'm pulling a number from a hat for sake of illustration here) cost of a pay for play encounter is $100 for 30 minutes, than that means the market tails are going to look something like a $2 5-minute blowjob from a TS junkie on one end, and an all-night $6400 porn star fuckfest on the other. It's a big range, and a healthy marketplace WANTS an array of service categories to fill out the distribution, just like we want a range of cars from a used Pinto to a Rolls Drophead.

Mongers come in all income categories, all frequency preferences, and a range of service level interests, and the market is always going to reflect that, and it's just stupid to complain about it. That's like complaining that some mongers are taller or shorter: you're bitching about one of the fundamental laws of nature, probability distributions. It's just not cool!

O.

[QUOTE=Ozymandias;3415423]No, it's not.

Good business is paying what you've decided something is worth; that, in turn, is limited by what you can sustainably afford.

I can hardly resist lecturing on economics, but I'm going to resist the temptation and just lay this out practically as a Guide to Monger Finance. (EDIT: I lectured a little bit.)

You have to make two decisions here: what fraction of take home pay do you want to commit to the hobby, and what frequency do you want to indulge in it. Multiply your take home by the fraction, and divide that by the frequency, and you have your budget per encounter; then, simply adhere to it within a 20% range (either way) to give you on-site flexibility. It's pretty simple.

Example:

Melvin the Monger makes $200,000 per year. Melvin is smart, so he maxes his 401 k, cafeteria plan, and Roth (about $28 k total), so after taxes he's taking home about 110 k (varies by state). Melvin understands that he's setting about 10% of his income aside for retirement, and because he's not a huge loser, he's definitely not spending more than THAT on rental pussy, so he decides spending 2% seems reasonable: this gives Melvin a $2200 annual budget for The Hobby.

Now, this means Melvin can do $40 quickies every week, or a $180 escort monthly, or a porn star quarterly, or some mix. Melvin is a fairly successful guy, so he really doesn't see himself tussling with hood rats, so he nixes the $40 quickies, and instead treats himself to hourly sessions at a KAMP, or hitting up a stripper he knows, etc. That's his thing, and he's pretty happy.

Notice, though, that a guy who makes $600,000 is going to have three times the budget, OR his buddy at the firm with the same income might just hobby more seriously and devote 10% of his after-tax to the hobby, also tripling his budget. It can vary.

So you see, when you have mongers with different incomes, varying levels of interest, and different frequency needs, you suddenly wind up with a range of prices, from Melvin's occasional $40 quickie to our $600 k guy who just hits Vegas once a quarter to fuck a $1500 porn star. That's a HEALTHY market.

Here's an fun fact about pricing, courtesy of power law probability distributions: If the average price of a service is $X, then 20% of the market will be willing to pay $4X for an upgraded version of the service, and 20% of the market will be willing to pay $X /4 for a downgraded version; after that, 4% of the market will be willing to pay $16X for a VERY nice version of the product, and 4% will be willing to pay $X /16 for a VERY downgraded version. If you have a large enough market, 0. 8% will pay $64X for an AMAZING version of the product or service, and 0. 8% will be willing to pay $X /64 for a version just not even worth having.

That's why we have a world in which pedestrians slogging through rain and Bugatti Veyrons can coexist.

Looking at adult services, what does this mean? If the average (and I'm pulling a number from a hat for sake of illustration here) cost of a pay for play encounter is $100 for 30 minutes, than that means the market tails are going to look something like a $2 5-minute blowjob from a TS junkie on one end, and an all-night $6400 porn star fuckfest on the other. It's a big range, and a healthy marketplace WANTS an array of service categories to fill out the distribution, just like we want a range of cars from a used Pinto to a Rolls Drophead.

Mongers come in all income categories, all frequency preferences, and a range of service level interests, and the market is always going to reflect that, and it's just stupid to complain about it. That's like complaining that some mongers are taller or shorter: you're bitching about one of the fundamental laws of nature, probability distributions. It's just not cool!

O.[/QUOTE]And this is why I never argue with ozy.

Although I can appreciate a lecture on microeconomics I don't need a dissertation to get this point the across. Its not lost on people that some make more than others and some have more to spend than others. When people point out how stupid it is to overpay it is with that in mind. Instead I'll use my two friends Webster and Urban. The man himself admits he never tries to negotiate and even will "pad the envelope unprompted". Anyways try to keep up.



[QUOTE=Webster's Dictionary;Overpay]
Verb.

Gerund or present participle: overpaying.

Pay (someone) too highly.

"many fans think our top players are overpaid".

Pay (money) in excess of what is due.

"to overpay taxes". [/QUOTE]


[QUOTE=Urban Dictionary ;Simp]
A man that puts himself in a subservient / submissive position under women in hopes of winning them over, without the female bringing anything to the table.

A man that puts too much value on a female for no reason.

A man that prides himself with "Chivalry" in hopes of getting sexual gratification form women.

A square with no game other than "Rolling out the Red-Carpet" for every female.

The perfect example of a "Simp" Man would be:

The role Eddy Murphy played in the movie "Norbit".

The role of Kevin James in the show "Kind of Queens".

A "Yes Dear, Man" Simp. [/QUOTE]

By all means everyone has the right to spend how much they want on anything they buy. I doubt he will walk into a car dealership and pay double msrp for a car but why? He knows the value of that car. The problem here is that not a lot of men know the value of a butt selling woman and so they end up paying way more than they should. They have no street smarts. Which again is totally OK with me (I know the game and they tell me about guys like that all the time and how they take advantage of them) but should not be misunderstood as a lack of understanding of basic microeconomics.

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By all means everyone has the right to spend how much they want on anything they buy. I doubt he will walk into a car dealership and pay double msrp for a car but why?[/QUOTE]No, no.

Okay, this is where people are failing to understand variable price points, and it's what's leading to arguments.

No one is advocating paying twice MSRP for a car. What's going on here is that ONE guy is willing to pay $40,000 for a fully-loaded Camry, while the other is paying $80,000 for a Tesla, but then the Camry guy is saying "hey, why are you spending $80,000 on a car? Cars cost $40,000!" You see where he's missing the point? If people like me are paying let's say twice as much for a session, that's not *your* session, it's a better session with a better girl, or better service, or longer duration. It's a different zone of the market. Don't try to compare apples with oranges.

Obviously, folks fall into a range of negotiation skills. If you want to fault someone for deliberately playing more for a service than it's worth, MAYBE there is some merit there (though even that* is arguable, given the subjectivity of value), but to try to have some kind of communist monger system in which all pricing is fixed by committee? That just damages the hobby.

Different mongers willing to pay different prices for different services from different girls is nothing but win; that makes the market worth participating in, by all agents.

O.

*(believe it or not, there's a fetish called financial domination: it's an S&M, B&D thing where guys get off on having girls tell them to give them money. Not my cup of tea, but again, it takes all comers to make a market!

[QUOTE=Ozymandias;3415796]No, no.

Okay, this is where people are failing to understand variable price points, and it's what's leading to arguments.

No one is advocating paying twice MSRP for a car. What's going on here is that ONE guy is willing to pay $40,000 for a fully-loaded Camry, while the other is paying $80,000 for a Tesla, but then the Camry guy is saying "hey, why are you spending $80,000 on a car? Cars cost $40,000!" You see where he's missing the point? If people like me are paying let's say twice as much for a session, that's not *your* session, it's a better session with a better girl, or better service, or longer duration. It's a different zone of the market. Don't try to compare apples with oranges.

[/QUOTE]I can see that you still don't understand. A toyota has a toyota emblem. A tesla has a tesla emblem. If I took a Camry and put a tesla emblem on it would you still pay 80,000? Would you know it was a toyota tesla? Jizz guzzling cum buckets don't come with an MSRP. I (and many others) understand all men are not equipped with the skills and knowledge to recognize a toyota tesla which is why so many attempt to educate how to judge the value of these chicks.

Even so this really isn't even the argument is it? Men are willingly and admittedly over paying for snatch to earn favor with these women. This demonstrates a lack of understanding of the business itself. At the end of the day what you do with your money is your business. I can't tell you how many "agency" girls were on BP (or some other site) before or after their stint with that agency. Or how many guys on here have a UTR that I could probably meet at the mall and smash for free. I just don't like to see people who think that people (such as myself) who possess this knowledge simultaneously lack basic economics skills. You can't learn this stuff in a micro book.

[QUOTE=BunnerySgt;3415917]I can see that you still don't understand. A toyota has a toyota emblem. A tesla has a tesla emblem. If I took a Camry and put a tesla emblem on it would you still pay 80,000? Would you know it was a toyota tesla? Jizz guzzling cum buckets don't come with an MSRP. I (and many others) understand all men are not equipped with the skills and knowledge to recognize a toyota tesla which is why so many attempt to educate how to judge the value of these chicks.

Even so this really isn't even the argument is it? Men are willingly and admittedly over paying for snatch to earn favor with these women. This demonstrates a lack of understanding of the business itself. At the end of the day what you do with your money is your business. I can't tell you how many "agency" girls were on BP (or some other site) before or after their stint with that agency. Or how many guys on here have a UTR that I could probably meet at the mall and smash for free. I just don't like to see people who think that people (such as myself) who possess this knowledge simultaneously lack basic economics skills. You can't learn this stuff in a micro book.[/QUOTE]In that "overpaying" argument I think you have to include guys who will fuck a lard-assed ghetto ho for $40. To me, that's overpaying by about $140 or north of it. Those hawgs should be paying guys $100 or so to fuck them. Even then, I wouldn't fuck one with your worst enemy's dick.

My last comment ever on this stream.

For every woman involved in this business, every one, the decision to work in this manner is far more than an economic decision. Every female who becomes involved in this business must make an emotional, personal decision in response to the circumstances of their lives.

I don't care if it's a $10 streetwalker, or a $1,000 escort, they all must make that decision. And, for each, it's a very difficult thing to do.

Your approach serves to ignore how tough that choice is, to dehumanize these people, to turn them into a commodity. I believe mine recognizes the difficulty of their choice.

No one's pure in any of this. So, approach the hobby as you wish, and I will do the same.

Selah.

[QUOTE=BunnerySgt;3415917]I can see that you still don't understand. A toyota has a toyota emblem. A tesla has a tesla emblem. If I took a Camry and put a tesla emblem on it would you still pay 80,000? Would you know it was a toyota tesla? Jizz guzzling cum buckets don't come with an MSRP. I (and many others) understand all men are not equipped with the skills and knowledge to recognize a toyota tesla which is why so many attempt to educate how to judge the value of these chicks.

Even so this really isn't even the argument is it? Men are willingly and admittedly over paying for snatch to earn favor with these women. This demonstrates a lack of understanding of the business itself. At the end of the day what you do with your money is your business. I can't tell you how many "agency" girls were on BP (or some other site) before or after their stint with that agency. Or how many guys on here have a UTR that I could probably meet at the mall and smash for free. I just don't like to see people who think that people (such as myself) who possess this knowledge simultaneously lack basic economics skills. You can't learn this stuff in a micro book.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Allen981;3416404]My last comment ever on this stream.

For every woman involved in this business, every one, the decision to work in this manner is far more than an economic decision. Every female who becomes involved in this business must make an emotional, personal decision in response to the circumstances of their lives.

I don't care if it's a $10 streetwalker, or a $1,000 escort, they all must make that decision. And, for each, it's a very difficult thing to do.

Your approach serves to ignore how tough that choice is, to dehumanize these people, to turn them into a commodity. I believe mine recognizes the difficulty of their choice.

No one's pure in any of this. So, approach the hobby as you wish, and I will do the same.

Selah.[/QUOTE]You've hit the nail on the head. Nothing more to see here folks.

[QUOTE=Ozymandias;3415796]No, no.

Okay, this is where people are failing to understand variable price points, and it's what's leading to arguments.

No one is advocating paying twice MSRP for a car. What's going on here is that ONE guy is willing to pay $40,000 for a fully-loaded Camry, while the other is paying $80,000 for a Tesla, but then the Camry guy is saying "hey, why are you spending $80,000 on a car? Cars cost $40,000!" You see where he's missing the point? If people like me are paying let's say twice as much for a session, that's not *your* session, it's a better session with a better girl, or better service, or longer duration. It's a different zone of the market. Don't try to compare apples with oranges.

Obviously, folks fall into a range of negotiation skills. If you want to fault someone for deliberately playing more for a service than it's worth, MAYBE there is some merit there (though even that* is arguable, given the subjectivity of value), but to try to have some kind of communist monger system in which all pricing is fixed by committee? That just damages the hobby.

Different mongers willing to pay different prices for different services from different girls is nothing but win; that makes the market worth participating in, by all agents.

O.

*(believe it or not, there's a fetish called financial domination: it's an S&M, B&D thing where guys get off on having girls tell them to give them money. Not my cup of tea, but again, it takes all comers to make a market![/QUOTE]Paying twice more does not equal a better session though. Especially when you are taking one for the team with an unreviewed girl.

This argument gets so tiring.

The same girl charging 40 can turn around and charge 400. Just because she changed her rates, does it mean her service is "better" than before??

I've wasted plenty cash on 150+ providers. Most weren't worth the coin.

Allen981 you nailed it! Hope you don't mind me tweaking your comments a little bit to show how it can apply to hobbyists.

[QUOTE]

For every hobbyist involved in this business, every one, the decision to see escorts, street workers, etc is solely based on an emotional, personal decision in response to the circumstances of their lives.

I don't care if it's a hobbyist who sees a $10 streetwalker, or a $1,000 escort, they all must make that decision. And, for some, it's a very difficult thing to do.

No one's pure in any of this. So, approach the hobby as you wish, and I will do the same.

Selah.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=SgtSoros;3418485]Allen981 you nailed it! Hope you don't mind me tweaking your comments a little bit to show how it can apply to hobbyists.[/QUOTE]I think his comment about dehumanizing these women is very important and should also be included. It's a great demonstration of how different vagina buyers view these women and how it affects the decisions they make when determining how much money to spend.

Some of these ideas appear to defy logic. How can you be a member of PETA but regularly attend and spend money on dog fighting? Seems crazy to me but it's always interesting to see different points of view from my own.

It let's you look into the minds of these man puppet / simps. Its funny how all these people who agree with Allen981 all have the same mentality as him. They all have this white knight soft hearted holier than thou mentality thinking that they're somehow helping these chics by "padding the envelope" and going out of their way to "treat them with respect". Guess what, at the end of the day your still a "stupid horny trick" just like the other guy who brow beated a chic for $40 service. Just look at the backpage review thread where someone who post very few reviews and gives little to no info on the board, calls me out for not giving chics high performance scores as if they're somewhat entitled to it.

These are the same guys that will write bogus exaggerated reviews, pad the envelope before services rendered, take chics out to dinner, go shopping for these chics before they get to a chics incall, etc. These dudes are so sensitive and corny that you can literally see them crying as they read an unfavourable review or read how a guy just low-balled a chic for a $30 qv. Dudes, this is not Somalia or fucking Afghanistan! This is America, a 1st world country. None of these chics are starving or doing this out of desperation. What some of these chics are charging for an all-covered qv service, you can get for a whole night in some 3rd world countries.

These chics are the ones who are getting over on you, not the other way around. These chics can get a legal job, welfare assistance, housing assistance, free help from churches, salvation Army, Goodwill and such. None of these chics are starving. If they say they are, just ask them what happened with the last person that told them they would be there in 20 minutes and chic decided to flake on them when they got there. Ask them about the last person that offered them $60 qv but they turned it down because they thought they wete too good for $60.

Reality is, these chics have got it good. There are not too many places in the world where an unknown gal can place an ad on the internet and charge $100 for a qv and actually get customers. Try that south of the border and see how many customers she gets. These chics are fully aware of what they're doing and they're doing this out of their own free will. They do this because they want that easy quick tax free money. If you sensitive guys are so benevolent as you think you are, why not call up random providers on backpage and offer them monetary assistance with no sexual compensation.

Offer to help them find a job with no sexual favors exchanged. I bet none of you holier than thou fools will do that. You still will be browsing the escort ads looking for chics who can suck your dick right. Your still gunna pad that envelope with extra money and give chics 7-9 in performance so she can suck your dick right. In my opinion, you dudes are worse than the dudes that lowball a chic for $40 service. You guys in your warped universe and warped way of thinking are actually trying to rationalize paying for sexual favors from "dehumanized commodity ".

Get a clue you retards. Your actually adding to the dehumanization of these chics. You think she feels better because she's sucking your dick for $200, opposed to sucking Parrot Range's dick for 15 bones. Your both adding to a chics dehumanization. Your just the dumbass that decided to pay more.

[QUOTE=JohnnyMapalo;3419256] (The usual us versus them rant).[/QUOTE]You make some great points about the relative ease with which these girls can make money if they just get their shit together, but your comments would carry more weight if you'd ever had an actual, good hobby experience; granted, your stories are comedy gold, but they function more as a warning about the hobby than reviews.

If you have one good encounter out of ten, and you're paying $40 per encounter, you're actually paying $400 for one good encounter; that's not really a bargain.

I'm probably at the other extreme of "careful and selective", but I have better than a 95% success rate on sessions, and I can recall ONE instance of a girl "flaking" in twenty-five years in the hobby (and that was an OTC stripper, not a proper escort). My value to cost ratio is pretty close to 1. I've never, ever "tipped", though; I like everything fixed cost, fair, and transparent, and I can't say I ever "talk" to these girls (other than to say "uh huh" and "oh, really?" if they go on about themselves) because once we're on the clock, I focus on service delivery; that said, if someone gets off on "being friends", whatever, it has no impact on me.

But it's pretty rich for someone who pours money into the hobby on a regular basis, receiving almost literally nothing in return, to go on about other people being "man puppets" or "simps".

O.

[QUOTE=Ozymandias;3419722]You make some great points about the relative ease with which these girls can make money if they just get their shit together, but your comments would carry more weight if you'd ever had an actual, good hobby experience; granted, your stories are comedy gold, but they function more as a warning about the hobby than reviews.

If you have one good encounter out of ten, and you're paying $40 per encounter, you're actually paying $400 for one good encounter; that's not really a bargain.

But it's pretty rich for someone who pours money into the hobby on a regular basis, receiving almost literally nothing in return, to go on about other people being "man puppets" or "simps".

O.[/QUOTE]This is probably the best assessment I've read on Mapalo's "reviews". It's great to see reviews, but JM's is more amusement than review and would have to agree if one's experience (whether escort or stripper) are more negative than positive, why stay so actively engaged? But since the prose of the review is so jovial, maybe it's not actually a negative encounter, and like most novels, attempts to leave it to the reader to interpret the nuances.

[QUOTE=Ozymandias;3419722]You make some great points about the relative ease with which these girls can make money if they just get their shit together, but your comments would carry more weight if you'd ever had an actual, good hobby experience; granted, your stories are comedy gold, but they function more as a warning about the hobby than reviews.

If you have one good encounter out of ten, and you're paying $40 per encounter, you're actually paying $400 for one good encounter; that's not really a bargain.

I'm probably at the other extreme of "careful and selective", but I have better than a 95% success rate on sessions, and I can recall ONE instance of a girl "flaking" in twenty-five years in the hobby (and that was an OTC stripper, not a proper escort). My value to cost ratio is pretty close to 1. I've never, ever "tipped", though; I like everything fixed cost, fair, and transparent, and I can't say I ever "talk" to these girls (other than to say "uh huh" and "oh, really?" if they go on about themselves) because once we're on the clock, I focus on service delivery; that said, if someone gets off on "being friends", whatever, it has no impact on me.

But it's pretty rich for someone who pours money into the hobby on a regular basis, receiving almost literally nothing in return, to go on about other people being "man puppets" or "simps".

O.[/QUOTE]I'm willing to bet Johnny's experiences would not improve if he paid more. The image you both project is different, also I'm sure your price point is way higher. A 300 chip provider BETTER give great service.

What price point do you suggest for having a high success rate Ozy? Inform us since you are in the know.

[QUOTE=TheParrot;3419872]

What price point do you suggest for having a high success rate Ozy? Inform us since you are in the know.[/QUOTE]Interestingly, it's gone down over the years.

In the 90's, and maybe very early 2000's, it was kind of understood than an hour with an escort was $300. That was the typical rate at the Brazilian incalls, for agency escorts, better spa girls (like the New Yorkers they used to import for the week at Gold Spa), etc. Independents usually billed about $250, though sometimes higher. This was before Craigslist (or Backpage) came along as a major advertiser of adult services, so girls could only become an escort if they either got hired by an agency, or if they had the moxy to hang out their own shingle and advertise themselves.

Eventually, Craigslist and Backpage happened, and it was easy for some dumb pimp to advertise his girls, flooding the market, lowering average quality, and exerting downward pressure on rates; the Lehman crisis and real estate downturn exacerbated this trend. These days, I'd say hourly? I'm thinking $150 hourly for an independent young, beautiful spinner; $100-$120 if it's a regular thing. That's everything: BBBJ, GFE, BBFS (if desired), eager and smiling, squeaky clean, nice incall. I can afford more, but why pay more than it's worth? That's what the market bears, IMHO (Atlanta pricing).

If I ran an Atlanta agency, I'd probably shoot for $200/ hour, stripper / model quality girls under 25, BBBJ, CFS, GFE.

O.

[QUOTE=Ozymandias;3420304]Interestingly, it's gone down over the years.

In the 90's, and maybe very early 2000's, it was kind of understood than an hour with an escort was $300. That was the typical rate at the Brazilian incalls, for agency escorts, better spa girls (like the New Yorkers they used to import for the week at Gold Spa), etc. Independents usually billed about $250, though sometimes higher. This was before Craigslist (or Backpage) came along as a major advertiser of adult services, so girls could only become an escort if they either got hired by an agency, or if they had the moxy to hang out their own shingle and advertise themselves.

Eventually, Craigslist and Backpage happened, and it was easy for some dumb pimp to advertise his girls, flooding the market, lowering average quality, and exerting downward pressure on rates; the Lehman crisis and real estate downturn exacerbated this trend. These days, I'd say hourly? I'm thinking $150 hourly for an independent young, beautiful spinner; $100-$120 if it's a regular thing. That's everything: BBBJ, GFE, BBFS (if desired), eager and smiling, squeaky clean, nice incall. I can afford more, but why pay more than it's worth? That's what the market bears, IMHO (Atlanta pricing).

If I ran an Atlanta agency, I'd probably shoot for $200/ hour, stripper / model quality girls under 25, BBBJ, CFS, GFE.

O.[/QUOTE]I think 150 is too much for the BP providers, and I've never had a good session at that price point.

Paying 150 would piss me off, especially when the service turns out to be subpar or horrible.

Well, actually, changing the subject on price point may not be such a bad idea. It's like politics or religion. No one has ever convinced anyone their beliefs are wrong. I saw a quote on Facebook a while back. "Dude! Your constant political points of view and memes have changed my thinking completely, said no one ever!" I've participated, but now I'm bored of it so on to something new.

Anyway, my rant is this:

Begin rant. Does anyone else get tired of seeing ads from these girls with a Title like, "Sweet, companion, to cater to your needs" or "I'll treat you like a King" and then in the ad, have no this and no that for half of the ad. I don't expect these girls to be advertising experts, but even an eejit should be able to see the contradictions. My favorites are the ones that state "fetish friendly" and then go on to say, everything covered, no Greek, no GFE, no AA, no no, no, no, no. I guess there is something to be said for an easy screening, but I see so freaking many. I've gotten to where I don't even bother reading the ads anymore, I scan them, when I see no this and no that, if you do xy or z you'll be blocked ostracized and persecuted. Blah Blah Blah. I don't know, it's just an annoyance I have developed. It's not just BP, it's nearly every site including personal websites. I almost want to offer consultant services for trade to teach them how to advertise and provide better service. End rant.

[QUOTE=MrHobbyist;3420687]Well, actually, changing the subject on price point may not be such a bad idea. It's like politics or religion. No one has ever convinced anyone their beliefs are wrong. I saw a quote on Facebook a while back. "Dude! Your constant political points of view and memes have changed my thinking completely, said no one ever!" I've participated, but now I'm bored of it so on to something new.

Anyway, my rant is this:

Begin rant. Does anyone else get tired of seeing ads from these girls with a Title like, "Sweet, companion, to cater to your needs" or "I'll treat you like a King" and then in the ad, have no this and no that for half of the ad. I don't expect these girls to be advertising experts, but even an eejit should be able to see the contradictions. My favorites are the ones that state "fetish friendly" and then go on to say, everything covered, no Greek, no GFE, no AA, no no, no, no, no. I guess there is something to be said for an easy screening, but I see so freaking many. I've gotten to where I don't even bother reading the ads anymore, I scan them, when I see no this and no that, if you do xy or z you'll be blocked ostracized and persecuted. Blah Blah Blah. I don't know, it's just an annoyance I have developed. It's not just BP, it's nearly every site including personal websites. I almost want to offer consultant services for trade to teach them how to advertise and provide better service. End rant.[/QUOTE]That freaking post was so on point I couldn't have written it better myself. I almost spewed coffee all over the keyboard reading it, LOL. I have noticed the same thing time and agian but you finally put it in words and I couldn't agree with it more. Damn I hate all the NO's and qualifiers. Especially after saying they are fetish friendly and willing to treat like a king. Imagine a consort of the King saying NO to anything he asked! She'd be 10 inches shorter the next minute, LOL!

You hit this RANT out of the park Hobbist. Thanks for expressing it and for the laughs!

[QUOTE=MrHobbyist;3420687]Well, actually, changing the subject on price point may not be such a bad idea. It's like politics or religion. No one has ever convinced anyone their beliefs are wrong. I saw a quote on Facebook a while back. "Dude! Your constant political points of view and memes have changed my thinking completely, said no one ever!" I've participated, but now I'm bored of it so on to something new.

Anyway, my rant is this:

Begin rant. Does anyone else get tired of seeing ads from these girls with a Title like, "Sweet, companion, to cater to your needs" or "I'll treat you like a King" and then in the ad, have no this and no that for half of the ad. I don't expect these girls to be advertising experts, but even an eejit should be able to see the contradictions. My favorites are the ones that state "fetish friendly" and then go on to say, everything covered, no Greek, no GFE, no AA, no no, no, no, no. I guess there is something to be said for an easy screening, but I see so freaking many. I've gotten to where I don't even bother reading the ads anymore, I scan them, when I see no this and no that, if you do xy or z you'll be blocked ostracized and persecuted. Blah Blah Blah. I don't know, it's just an annoyance I have developed. It's not just BP, it's nearly every site including personal websites. I almost want to offer consultant services for trade to teach them how to advertise and provide better service. End rant.[/QUOTE]Matching a good direct response copywriter with skilled, GFE escorts would literally be printing money. (And trust me, I think about it once a month or so.).

And the reality, as you note, is the opposite.

Anyone who has ever read Robert Bly's "Copywriter's Handbook" (and if you own a business or manage a portfolio of companies, this is s MUST READ) knows the importance of matching copy to headline. A good gift for the hoe in your life, perhaps!

O.

I swore I was done with this idiotic theme, but since I'm mentioned.

Somehow, the idea that someone charging $60 for a quick visit "has it good" doesn't quite register with me. Sounds like a tough way to build a 401 k, pay for health insurance, and afford a mortgage or even rent.

And, as far as the jobs thing, been there done that. I've helped more than 10 ladies find jobs since 2000. Never been a hint of quid pro quo. Some work (or did) in government offices, at least 2 are certified teachers, one went to work in an insurance office, and one (the only one I still communicate with) is a very well paid writer / communications person.

All were on hard times, in almost every case relating to a dead beat spouse.

Now, given that info, I'm again done with this thread and the misogynistic trolls who spend far too much time trashing others.

And, by the way, calling anyone a "retard" is a great way to destroy your own credibility.

Selah.

[QUOTE=JohnnyMapalo;3419256]It let's you look into the minds of these man puppet / simps. Its funny how all these people who agree with Allen981 all have the same mentality as him. They all have this white knight soft hearted holier than thou mentality thinking that they're somehow helping these chics by "padding the envelope" and going out of their way to "treat them with respect". Guess what, at the end of the day your still a "stupid horny trick" just like the other guy who brow beated a chic for $40 service. Just look at the backpage review thread where someone who post very few reviews and gives little to no info on the board, calls me out for not giving chics high performance scores as if they're somewhat entitled to it.

These are the same guys that will write bogus exaggerated reviews, pad the envelope before services rendered, take chics out to dinner, go shopping for these chics before they get to a chics incall, etc. These dudes are so sensitive and corny that you can literally see them crying as they read an unfavourable review or read how a guy just low-balled a chic for a $30 qv. Dudes, this is not Somalia or fucking Afghanistan! This is America, a 1st world country. None of these chics are starving or doing this out of desperation. What some of these chics are charging for an all-covered qv service, you can get for a whole night in some 3rd world countries.

These chics are the ones who are getting over on you, not the other way around. These chics can get a legal job, welfare assistance, housing assistance, free help from churches, salvation Army, Goodwill and such. None of these chics are starving. If they say they are, just ask them what happened with the last person that told them they would be there in 20 minutes and chic decided to flake on them when they got there. Ask them about the last person that offered them $60 qv but they turned it down because they thought they wete too good for $60.

Reality is, these chics have got it good. There are not too many places in the world where an unknown gal can place an ad on the internet and charge $100 for a qv and actually get customers. Try that south of the border and see how many customers she gets. These chics are fully aware of what they're doing and they're doing this out of their own free will. They do this because they want that easy quick tax free money. If you sensitive guys are so benevolent as you think you are, why not call up random providers on backpage and offer them monetary assistance with no sexual compensation.

Offer to help them find a job with no sexual favors exchanged. I bet none of you holier than thou fools will do that. You still will be browsing the escort ads looking for chics who can suck your dick right. Your still gunna pad that envelope with extra money and give chics 7-9 in performance so she can suck your dick right. In my opinion, you dudes are worse than the dudes that lowball a chic for $40 service. You guys in your warped universe and warped way of thinking are actually trying to rationalize paying for sexual favors from "dehumanized commodity ".

Get a clue you retards. Your actually adding to the dehumanization of these chics. You think she feels better because she's sucking your dick for $200, opposed to sucking Parrot Range's dick for 15 bones. Your both adding to a chics dehumanization. Your just the dumbass that decided to pay more.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Allen981;3422189]I swore I was done with this idiotic theme, but since I'm mentioned.

Somehow, the idea that someone charging $60 for a quick visit "has it good" doesn't quite register with me. Sounds like a tough way to build a 401 k, pay for health insurance, and afford a mortgage or even rent.

And, as far as the jobs thing, been there done that. I've helped more than 10 ladies find jobs since 2000. Never been a hint of quid pro quo. Some work (or did) in government offices, at least 2 are certified teachers, one went to work in an insurance office, and one (the only one I still communicate with) is a very well paid writer / communications person.

All were on hard times, in almost every case relating to a dead beat spouse.

Now, given that info, I'm again done with this thread and the misogynistic trolls who spend far too much time trashing others.

Selah.[/QUOTE]Dude stop it. You buy pussy just like the rest of us. We're all the same whether you like it or not. If you care so much delete your account and stop paying money to rent their body parts. The nerve of this guy LOL. You yourself don't practice what you preach because otherwise you wouldn't have sex with some "victims" of this horrible world and assist others. How do you determine who is worthy? You sir are full of shite.

Let's have a look below at your post from the GANG BANG THREAD

[QUOTE=Allen981;3283954]Mrmojo69, thanks. Young lady at midday was off the charts, unreal enthusiastic and gorgeous. Don't know how many showed up, but you missed out if you didn't show. Thanks again.[/QUOTE]

Did you get her a job? Did you help her plan her 401k? Or did you pay money and shove your cock in her holes. Geez man you don't even realize how rediculous you sound. I don't take anyone serious who speaks of chivalry on THIS site. Least of all someone who just ran a train on a disenfranchised poor poor down on her luck temporary only vagina peddling saleswoman.

[QUOTE=Allen981;3422189]I swore I was done with this idiotic theme, but since I'm mentioned.

Somehow, the idea that someone charging $60 for a quick visit "has it good" doesn't quite register with me. Sounds like a tough way to build a 401 k, pay for health insurance, and afford a mortgage or even rent

Now, given that info, I'm again done with this thread and the misogynistic trolls who spend far too much time trashing others.

And, by the way, calling anyone a "retard" is a great way to destroy your own credibility.

Selah.[/QUOTE]As a mysogonist, I take offense to being called a troll by Captain Save a Ho. My question is this: why would someone partake in this hobby at all when it's obvious they have been drawn hook line and sinker into believing these woman need or even want to be "saved" it stands to reason that anyone so morally superior would be working for an advocacy group dedicated to saving hoes.

As the Captain of said organization I find it reprehensible that he would partake in the very thing he so vehemently opposes. It's akin to the hypocritical priest that preaches morality and abstinence after partaking in the joys of the alter boy the day before.

What would such a saint be doing on this particular site in the first place? I call bullshit on the high horse from which the good Captain sits. I have concluded Captain Save a Ho is baiting the crowd for attention. I don't want to ruin my credibility by stating how retarded the logic sounds, but you have to admit, it lends itself to be intellectually challenged by there mere simpleminded contradiction the idea represents.

Oh, one final thing, what the hell does selah mean anyway? I'd look it up, but I'm not sure I want that in my search history.

[QUOTE=MrHobbyist;3422448]As a mysogonist, I take offense to being called a troll by Captain Save a Ho. My question is this: why would someone partake in this hobby at all when it's obvious they have been drawn hook line and sinker into believing these woman need or even want to be "saved" it stands to reason that anyone so morally superior would be working for an advocacy group dedicated to saving hoes.

As the Captain of said organization I find it reprehensible that he would partake in the very thing he so vehemently opposes. It's akin to the hypocritical priest that preaches morality and abstinence after partaking in the joys of the alter boy the day before.

What would such a saint be doing on this particular site in the first place? I call bullshit on the high horse from which the good Captain sits. I have concluded Captain Save a Ho is baiting the crowd for attention. I don't want to ruin my credibility by stating how retarded the logic sounds, but you have to admit, it lends itself to be intellectually challenged by there mere simpleminded contradiction the idea represents.

Oh, one final thing, what the hell does selah mean anyway? I'd look it up, but I'm not sure I want that in my search history.[/QUOTE]Selah - "in the Bible, occurring frequently at the end of a verse in Psalms. " Hence the poster adding it to the end of his post. Kinda strange, but, whatever.

People often mask their self imposed guilt for their perceived moral failures by publicly proclaiming moral superiority. I guess we are all guilty of this weakness to some extent. And, perhaps, it serves some higher societal purpose by balancing things out. Who knows.

Personally, I have very much liked some of the professional ladies I have enjoyed screwing. I also have a favorite waitress at my favorite restaurant. Our personalities click. We have a connection. I may choose to leave a big tip because I'm feeling generous. Or I may want to reward exceptional service. Or I may learn through conversation that they have a need and I want to help out. The act of good will is between me and the service provider. If I delude myself into believing it's a penance, I'm just a fool. Many people delude themselves in all sorts of ways. If I pay her to "like" me, I'm setting myself up for disappointment. If I look down my nose as a superior human being and toss some change at the lady or "help" her, that's a very poor reflection on me. Personally, I just look forward to the next opportunity to patronize the lady.

I don't P2 P with anyone who hasn't invited me to do so and I don't P2 P with anyone (more than once) who doesn't enthusiastically enjoy her work. Sounds like the gangbang lady was fantastic! I would love to make her acquaintance. Perhaps, I might even give her a gift for service above and beyond the call of duty LOL.

I wish I could think of a snappy salutation, but my mind is preoccupied thinking about the gangbang girl LOL.

[QUOTE=MoonshineXXX;3422605]Selah - "in the Bible, occurring frequently at the end of a verse in Psalms. " Hence the poster adding it to the end of his post. Kinda strange, but, whatever.

People often mask their self imposed guilt for their perceived moral failures by publicly proclaiming moral superiority. I guess we are all guilty of this weakness to some extent. And, perhaps, it serves some higher societal purpose by balancing things out. Who knows.

Personally, I have very much liked some of the professional ladies I have enjoyed screwing. I also have a favorite waitress at my favorite restaurant. Our personalities click. We have a connection. I may choose to leave a big tip because I'm feeling generous. Or I may want to reward exceptional service. Or I may learn through conversation that they have a need and I want to help out. The act of good will is between me and the service provider. If I delude myself into believing it's a penance, I'm just a fool. Many people delude themselves in all sorts of ways. If I pay her to "like" me, I'm setting myself up for disappointment. If I look down my nose as a superior human being and toss some change at the lady or "help" her, that's a very poor reflection on me. Personally, I just look forward to the next opportunity to patronize the lady.

I don't P2 P with anyone who hasn't invited me to do so and I don't P2 P with anyone (more than once) who doesn't enthusiastically enjoy her work. Sounds like the gangbang lady was fantastic! I would love to make her acquaintance. Perhaps, I might even give her a gift for service above and beyond the call of duty LOL.

I wish I could think of a snappy salutation, but my mind is preoccupied thinking about the gangbang girl LOL.[/QUOTE]Great post. I despise hypocrisy.

[URL]http://atlanta.backpage.com/WomenSeekMen/mature-lightskin-woman-hot-thick-super-sexy/61867078[/URL]

I'm getting tired of the fake shit. Rant over.

[QUOTE=Allen981;3422189]I swore I was done with this idiotic theme, but since I'm mentioned.

Somehow, the idea that someone charging $60 for a quick visit "has it good" doesn't quite register with me. Sounds like a tough way to build a 401 k, pay for health insurance, and afford a mortgage or even rent.

And, as far as the jobs thing, been there done that. I've helped more than 10 ladies find jobs since 2000. Never been a hint of quid pro quo. Some work (or did) in government offices, at least 2 are certified teachers, one went to work in an insurance office, and one (the only one I still communicate with) is a very well paid writer / communications person.

All were on hard times, in almost every case relating to a dead beat spouse.

Now, given that info, I'm again done with this thread and the misogynistic trolls who spend far too much time trashing others.

And, by the way, calling anyone a "retard" is a great way to destroy your own credibility.

Selah.[/QUOTE]Kind of like bitching and griping about someone's lack of helping an escort dig her way out of a situation that may be entirely of her own making. And bragging about your own efforts makes you look worse.

[QUOTE=HeadHunting;3425814][URL]http://atlanta.backpage.com/WomenSeekMen/mature-lightskin-woman-hot-thick-super-sexy/61867078[/URL]

I'm getting tired of the fake shit. Rant over.[/QUOTE]I think at MarioRincon67 would beg to differ.

[QUOTE=Jeffinnatlanta;3426591]I think at MarioRincon67 would beg to differ.[/QUOTE]Well, when I do an image search this is the chick that comes up. I would guess photoshop because her other pics look way worse than the one in the backpage ad.

Either way, this chick has no shortage of pics and she could have given a better representation of what she looks like TODAY.

[URL]https://twitter.com/Bambi4u269/status/870278796297023488/photo/1[/URL]

[QUOTE=HeadHunting;3426658]Well, when I do an image search this is the chick that comes up. I would guess photoshop because her other pics look way worse than the one in the backpage ad.

Either way, this chick has no shortage of pics and she could have given a better representation of what she looks like TODAY.

[URL]https://twitter.com/Bambi4u269/status/870278796297023488/photo/1[/URL][/QUOTE]If she's 38, I'm 18.

Another rant is now in session.

First off, why in 2017 are dudes still paying for hour long sessions with unknown unreviewed backpage chics. Haven't we written about this for a hundred umpteen times already. Buds, don't ever pay for hour sessions with unknown unreviewed backpage chics. That's nothing short of monetary suicide. If you want to throw about 2,3 400 bucks spend it on a "well-reviewed" provider or go through a reputable agency. Do not waste your hard-earned bread on some unknown retard on backpage. There are no filters or job requirements to place an ad as an escort on backpage. Any jackass with an internet connection can place on ad on backpage.

Stop thinking that just because she has an ad on backpage and calls herself "upscale" and gives you an "upscale" price, that she's actually upscale. Any jackass can write any ole nonsense in their ad and quote you any ole ridiculous rate when they damn well know that they're not even worth half of what they're asking for. Truth is, most chics that post "upscale" anything in their ads are very far from upscale and only place that there to convince themselves that they are actually "upscale". Most chics that quote you $100 qv or better are only out to rip you off. Your really only paying for looks and sometimes location at that rate. If you were paying for service only, you would only pay $20 because that's about all their service is worth.

I better not see another one of you dudes getting ripped off for $250-$300 for an hour with some unknown unreviewed backpage chic. Stop overpaying these con-artist. Get some got damned intelligence. Spend that type of money on a well-reviewed provider or an agency chic. Backpage chics are nothing more than $40-$60 qv chics. That's it!! Stop overpaying! Sheesh!! Also, you dudes got to realize that these chics stay in business because of you dudes who continue to overpay their asses. Once they see that they caught them a sucka for $250/ hour, it encourages them to keep posting in hopes of catching another sucka at $250/ hour. They figure if one person pays, then their ad is working and someone else will be willing to pay it.

Another thing, these chics are the most ungreatful, lazy, violent people that you will ever meet. I've been to several chics incall and when they weren't the chic in the pics, I called them out on it and these broads acted like they wanted to straight up square up with me. They were adamant about them being the chics in the pics and some even tried to strong arm me for my money. Some threatened to scream if I didn't give them the money, others tried to snatch the money from right out of my hands and others threatened to call their pimps next door. I'm telling you, some of these fuckas will try to get violent with you if you try to leave without paying. Beware of that.

And when you do give them the money, they give you this half assed covered BJ for 2 minutes and bend over in doggie and think that's all you want. You ask for other positions and they start copping attitude and giving you a list of shit they don't do. Alot of chics on backpage are not even into sex. You would be surprised at how many closet lesbians and bi-sexuals post ads on backpage. It doesn't even make any fucking sense. If you don't like men, then why place an ad on an escorting site targeting men. Stupid. These are the most laziest, stupidest, confused chics I've ever came across. They want to get money and they don't want to do anything for it. They feel as though, they're entitled to your money.

So many of these chics have stank attitudes over the phone and expect you to patronize their services. You ask them about their services over the phone they want to hang up the phone on you. You ask them about their services when you get there, they want to cop an attitude, citing you could be the police. Yeah right!! The real reason they don't want to talk about their services is because they don't plan to provide much of any service. They just want to get your money and get you out of there asap. Trust me. The majority of those backpage chics are of the business of getting you in and out asap.

Their friends tell them about backpage and they all work out of the same hotel and post ads night and day trying to hustle fast money. They really could care less if you leave satisfied or nothing. And where a chic works has nothing to do with what kind of service you will get. Just because a chic is working out of a nice hotel in Buckhead and charging $250/ hour, that doesn't mean your getting some upscale princess with impeccable hygiene and A1 service. I've seen chics in upscale condo's in Buckhead and when they took their clothes off they were smelling rank as a fucking ram goat.

Likewise, I've been to shitty motels in the "hood" to see $40 chics and the chic was smelling fresh and clean the whole time and the service was actually good. Location and price doesn't jack shit. It's all about the individual. Don't think for once that your paying for some quality upscale chic just because she went on priceline and got a hotel in Buckhead for the low low. Any jackass can get a hotel in Buckhead and throw an ad up on backpage with $100 qv special. Don't be gullible. Your only paying for location and looks. That's it! The times I went to see chics for $100 qv in those areas, the service was garbage!! A list of "no, no, no" and the chic had no interest in her work. She only wanted the $100.

Also, what's this thing as of late where dudes are asking "has anyone seen such and such" and guys come out and say "yes, I've seen her many times. I've been dropping raw loads in her for years". When you skim through those guys threads, you see no reviews written on the chic that they have been dumping raw loads into for years. I mean like, when were you planning on writing your review, after a few more years of dumping raw loads in her. This review site is so one-side it ain't even funny. You have about 2 handful of people that regularly post meaningful reviews and then you have over 100 countless others who do nothing but leech and lurk night and day. Dudes finally coming out from under their rocks and posting about "long time lurker here, so I finally thought I'd give back after mooching for over a decade".

This is fucking ridiculous. What is it that actually makes these leechers come out and finally post something of value after all these years? Guilty conscious? You even have some senior dudes on here that are holding on to review for years and only post when someone ask "has anyone seen her". If you don't post and no one else post, then how can we have much of a falking review site. And the funny thing is, these leechers are the same ones that will pm you once you write a review, asking you for more information. As if my free information that I posted in public wasn't enough. You fucking leechers, non-review posters and free- loaders, I can't stand your asses.

Then you have these guys with like 5 or 6 post telling a dude with 1-2 post to get your weight up. Telling them to stop asking for info and post info first before any gives you any information. The funny thing is, these fuckas haven't posted anything worthwhile their damn selves. They got 6 post of begging for information, yet they're telling someone with 1-2 post to stop begging for information. The irony. This site is so damn ridiculous it's not even funny. You also have some people that made their name from the gangbang thread. These fuckas don't have any post except for posting in the gangbang thread. And these fuckas haven't even set up any gangbangs or found any hoes to participate in the gangbang. They merely begged and pm'ed their way into the gangbang.

They offer no information of their own, yet they tell guys with 1-2 post to get their weight up before asking for information. What about you get your weight up first, buddy. You haven't posted anything of any significance yourself, you just begged your way into attending every gang bang. If it wasn't for the gangbang thread you would have been still leeching and lurking for many more years. Pitiful.

More to come.

[QUOTE=JohnnyMapalo;3461612]Then you have these guys with like 5 or 6 post telling a dude with 1-2 post to get your weight up.[/QUOTE]Preach.

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You even have some senior dudes on here that are holding on to review for years and only post when someone ask "has anyone seen her". If you don't post and no one else post, then how can we have much of a falking review site.
[/QUOTE]I actually read your entire post for the first time and I agree with most of it. I will say that I am guilty of the above. I will most definitely remain guilty for a long time. There is a reason every single chick isn't shared right away on this site. Every now and again I will forget about her after cuffing for so long until somebody brings her up months down the line. So what? I can't tell you how many times I have posted about a chick only for her service to change or price to go up because some dick wad decides to gas her head up or show her the reviews on this site. I am sure you would not understand that because 90 percent of the chicks you post about suck. I will say I can appreciate the fact that you have TOFFT so many times though LOL.

[QUOTE=BunnerySgt;3461869] There is a reason every single chick isn't shared right away on this site. Every now and again I will forget about her after cuffing for so long until somebody brings her up months down the line. So what? I can't tell you how many times I have posted about a chick only for her service to change or price to go up because some dick wad decides to gas her head up or show her the reviews on this site. [/QUOTE]Very well said!