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[QUOTE=WildCard;6020536]That's the problem C92. You're doing 100 hours of research. The average pleb mouth breather is not. They are hearing "trafficking" in the first report about a huge bust, but not the follow up where no trafficking was found and their bust was a crock of shit.[/QUOTE]Agree with what you and Cleve said brother. And I see it from all angles, don't get me wrong, for as many good people as they fuck over there are just as many very satisfying and rightful arrests that these task forces have made like the scumbag Cuyahoga prosecutor for example. The courts gave him an undeserving plea, there are guys in jail for misdemeanors and he got off scot free for a heinous felony. yet thats the shit they dont put in the news and try to hide, you have to look at the docket sheets to find that out. Unfortunate because the judge in that situation is a good judge i like a lot of other work he has done, the blame i guess falls on the prosecutor for offering that plea.

And who knows, they could have done me a favor by destroying what me and my friend once had, theres no telling if she would have went back to drugs down the road or not. But they took away even that opportunity from her. I don't care about what I lost in that situation, its more about her and preventing these situations from re occurring. Its the cops' fault that she went back to drugs, I had her on the right path and they fucked it up for her by arresting her.

C92.

I did what Chunks said and Googled Yost criticism. Came across a Yost Facebook post where he is criticizing Trump. One paragraph says "The republican party is about freedom - a free people who can worship and speak and live without interference from the government. " That is hypocrisy on steroids. The problem is the religious right think your violating their freedom if you don't follow their rules. If the government allows two consenting adults to have a financial arrangement in exchange for sex, they see it as " interference from the government" on their freedom. The second sentence from that paragraph is "It's about free markets where anybody with hard work and a vision can make their own way." Hypocrisy again. Appeantly if it doesn't follow their religious rules, you can't "make their own way." I 100% agree with the that paragraph from Yost's Facebook post, unfortunately Yost doesn't believe his own definition of the republican party. The religious right sabotaged the republican party. The only way to protect religion is by NOT legislating it. Unfortunately the democrats are also fucking up this country. We need a 3rd party that will be the definition of that paragraph of what the republican party is supposed to be.

[QUOTE=Chunks92;6020470]Dude, you only see what you see on the news, you clearly have not done the probable 100 hours of research I've done on the subject, or had several friends who have been arrested in these stings, I have heard the real life experiences!.[/QUOTE]My apology for not doing the kind of homework you've done.

If you would, please provide a "Cliff Notes" summary of your research.

Kindly include a brief description of the activities that got the friends convicted of crimes.

[QUOTE=Chunks92;6020470]You have the piece of paper, i have the degree![/QUOTE]I do have the paper.

I read at least one newspaper every day (The Cleveland Plain Dull, The Denver Post, The Kansas City Star, etc.) at my local public library.

Some habits are just too difficult to break.

I recognize and salute you as the top advocate here on the injustice of prohibiting "sex for hire".

[QUOTE=Chunks92;6020470]They (LE) go on the news and lie to the public saying they've rescued victims when in actuality they are added to our court system, found guilty, and thrown in jail or on house arrest.[/QUOTE]LE lied? Shocking!

Please discuss a case where a trafficking victim was jailed, leaving out the identifying details.

What did LE say the victim did that got her jailed?

[QUOTE=Chunks92;6020470]Ex GFs have been hurt by the courts as well [/QUOTE]What did the GFs do that got them hurt by the courts?

[QUOTE=Chunks92;6020470] They are not "rescuing" anybody, they are controlling what adults do with each other in the bedroom.[/QUOTE]Shocking!

No victim was rescued?

What Ohio criminal statute did LE use to exert control over adult bedroom activity?

[QUOTE=Chunks92;6020470]No " values" are affected by me and a woman fucking.[/QUOTE]Agreed.

Maybe their values are about "paying for sex" rather than mere "consensual sex"?

The issue of whether "paying for sex" should be legal is centuries old.

Today one can find university-degreed experts on both sides of the issue.

My point was that the issue goes far beyond Yost.

Lambasting Yost won't get "paying for sex" legalized in Ohio.

[QUOTE=Chunks92;6020470]Google "Dave Yost criticism"[/QUOTE]I am aware of criticism about Yost.

My point was that even with that criticism, a majority of voters in Ohio will likely re-elect Yost as AG in November.

[QUOTE=Chunks92;6020470]I'm not going to write more then I have to for this when there is information plastered all over the internet.[/QUOTE]You've written plenty, and I greatly appreciate your effort in that regard.

But you are singing to the choir here.

Without more, it will not be heard nor acted upon by rest of Ohio.

[QUOTE=Chunks92;6020470]Even republicans can't be cool with what Yost has said this past week.[/QUOTE]They may not be cool with it, but nonetheless they'll vote for Yost and not Crossman in November.

[QUOTE=WildCard;6020536]That's the problem C92. You're doing 100 hours of research. The average pleb mouth breather is not. They are hearing "trafficking" in the first report about a huge bust, but not the follow up where no trafficking was found and their bust was a crock of shit.[/QUOTE]Please post a link to one case, reported as involving trafficking, but later found to have no trafficking, and resulted in a conviction affirmed on appeal.

Surely, some media outlet must have reported on the "follow up" of such a case.

How would you suggest the "average pleb mouth breather" bring LE to account for charging "trafficking" when none was proven?

What do you do when you find such a case?

[QUOTE=Budd2;6021024]The religious right sabotaged the republican party. The only way to protect religion is by NOT legislating it. Unfortunately the democrats are also fucking up this country. We need a 3rd party that will be the definition of that paragraph of what the republican party is supposed to be.[/QUOTE]The Legalize Hookers Now Party?

[QUOTE=CleveLoser;6020524] I think you may underestimate how many people that entails AND the capacity for cognitive dissonance in the average person.[/QUOTE]What should mongers do to help people who have inconsistent thoughts, beliefs, or attitudes, especially as relating to ousting Yost?

[QUOTE=CleveLoser;6020524]And the right has only become more radicalized such that many who did vote Obama or Dem at any point in their life will never do so again bc they think Dems eat babies and traffic kids. Well they do, but so do Repubs).[/QUOTE]Shocking!

[QUOTE=CleveLoser;6020524]I don't get the idea the SuStar is a Yost supporter. He / she / they . . .[/QUOTE]The correct pronoun is he. I am male.

SuStar is an abbreviation of "Suthern Starcross" or a reference to the "Southern Cross".

As you may know, the "Southern Cross" is a small conspicuous constellation in the southern hemisphere lying in the Milky Way near Centaurus.

The four brightest stars form a cross, the longer arm of which points to the south celestial pole.

As you may also know, the North Star or Polaris that marks the position of the north celestial pole is only visible to the northern hemisphere observers.

The five stars of the Southern Cross are displayed on the flag of Australia.

Thank you for your consideration.

The only solution, and I do mean only, is for people to get their heads out of their asses and vote Libertarian. Unfortunately most people vote their self interest and for whoever they think will benefit their pockets. So the solution will never come.

Cheech.

[QUOTE=SuStar;6021505]Please post a link to one case, reported as involving trafficking, but later found to have no trafficking, and resulted in a conviction affirmed on appeal.

Surely, some media outlet must have reported on the "follow up" of such a case.

How would you suggest the "average pleb mouth breather" bring LE to account for charging "trafficking" when none was proven?

What do you do when you find such a case?[/QUOTE]They call it a "human trafficking" operation when its not. Its a prostitution sting. They do that to garner votes, and it makes the guys look like monsters when they are not. There was a guy who told me about a sting he walked into. The cops called them "sex traffickers. " he got his case dismissed, because despite what the FB commentators thought because of the titling, he was charged with a low level misdemeanor and is far from a "trafficker," hes an average guy. Here is what I suggest to bring LE to account. Go after the actual scum of our society. I read a comment by a beloved senior on here about the 4/13/17 sting, where an escort was driven by a middle class guy in his 60's and both of them got arrested, reduced charges, but the pimp who attacked her walked free. This was in a jurisdiction with pansy cops. The seniors comment was along the lines of: "Sucks that they face legal problems, while the pimp walks free. But I understand why LE doesn't go after him, it would be too dangerous. " No disrespect to this particular senior he is a great guy and we have provided each other great intel, but let me tell you what I have to say about that. As Yost would say: "I adamantly reject that idea. " If we are accepting allowing these scumbags to come down from Detroit, ruin our communities, and also bear the title of criminal for them while they walk free? Thats bullshit and makes us look like our heads are up our ass. They need to go after them, that is what they are paid to do. To have that mentality is to have the same mentality as "hey, lets be fairies and let these thugs take over our communities. We might as well give them they keys to our homes. " Heres what i could do to help the situation. I have a bad ticker, and if my health issues worsen as I proceed through my 30's, I will apply as a low ranking officer, push for ending the good guy stings, and try to get these scumbags brought to justice even if it gets me hurt. At least I will have done my part to help make our communities better before I die for honest tax payers, rather then these pansies running these stings on honest taxpayers, getting their statistics, and going home. I get it to an extent because they have a family to go home too, while I have nothing and very few that give a shit about me. despite the fact that I do get a lot of pussy even outside of the hobby, I'm just washed up. But youre telling me, with all these resources and money that they cant think up a plan between all of them to get these pimps instead of johns? Come on! But I guess that's some of what is needed to go after the real scumbags, guys who have nothing to lose working on the police force.

C92.

[QUOTE=Chunks92;6021716]They call it a "human trafficking" operation when its not. Its a prostitution sting.[/QUOTE]Human trafficking is big news worldwide.

In instances that you describe, LE likely received intel suggesting a targeted operation would interdict human trafficking.

Of course, not all LE intel leads to arrests of king pins, but LE would be remiss if they did not follow up on intel received.

The failure in Uvalde is a good example of what happens when LE does not act promptly as expected.

[QUOTE=Chunks92;6021716]It makes the guys look like monsters when they are not. There was a guy who told me about a sting he walked into. The cops called them "sex traffickers". He got his case dismissed.[/QUOTE]Good thing his charges were dismissed.

[QUOTE=Chunks92;6021716]Here is what I suggest to bring LE to account. Go after the actual scum of our society. I read a comment by a beloved senior on here about the 4/13/17 sting, where an escort was driven by a middle class guy in his 60's and both of them got arrested, reduced charges, but the pimp who attacked her walked free.[/QUOTE]LE is far from perfect.

Usually, LE does not let anyone walk free unless they lack probable cause.

Perhaps the really bad guy was providing reliable intel?

We'll never know.

[QUOTE=Chunks92;6021716]I have a bad ticker, and if my health issues worsen as I proceed through my 30's, I will apply as a low ranking officer.[/QUOTE]Sorry to hear about your condition.

I had the impression that you were retired in your 60's.

Most LE entrance exams include a physical abilities test, involving running, obstacle course, physical strength.

Too bad all cops are not required to pass that test every two years.

[QUOTE=Chunks92;6021716]But you're telling me, with all these resources and money that they can't think up a plan between all of them to get these pimps instead of johns? Come on![/QUOTE]Going after johns is usually an easy score, resulting in good press coverage.

With all the bad news about cops in recent years, getting good publicity is a priority.

Busting pimps is a bit more challenging, requiring allocating additional scarce resources that apparently they prefer to use on interdicting other crimes.

If prostitution were legalized, regulated, and taxed, resources devoted to prostitution stings and pimp busting could be used elsewhere.

I doubt we'll see than in Ohio during my lifetime.

[QUOTE=SuStar;6021521]What should mongers do to help people who have inconsistent thoughts, beliefs, or attitudes, especially as relating to ousting Yost?

Shocking![/QUOTE]Join or start a mutual aid collective and work to build support structures in the community outside of the current political environment. basically the same thing non-mongers should do if they want to effect positive change.

[QUOTE=CleveLoser;6022231]Join or start a mutual aid collective and work to build support structures in the community outside of the current political environment. basically the same thing non-mongers should do if they want to effect positive change.[/QUOTE]That is a very good suggestion.

However, I believe the effort would require years of ground work to change attitudes about legalizing sex work.

It would also require leading supporters to put themselves on public record as supporting the same.

Some mongers would not care to be associated with the cause in a public way.

I also believe the effort would be a far steeper climb than making cannabis legal for medicinal or recreational purposes.

[QUOTE=Chunks92;6021716]They call it a "human trafficking" operation when its not. Its a prostitution sting.[/QUOTE]The difficulty for prosecutors is getting victims to cooperate in proving the coercion.

Statistics from multiple independent sources suggest that significant numbers of American women are forced into sexual servitude by various forms of coercion.

No one should expect LE to refrain for acting on those numbers.

[URL]https://deliverfund.org/facts-about-human-trafficking-in-the-us/[/URL]

[URL]https://www.worldwithoutexploitation.org/stats[/URL]#stat-1.

[URL]https://www.state.gov/united-states-advisory-council-on-human-trafficking-annual-report-2021/[/URL]

[URL]https://theexodusroad.com/prostitution-and-human-trafficking-know-the-difference/[/URL]

[QUOTE=SuStar;6023264]The difficulty for prosecutors is getting victims to cooperate in proving the coercion.

Statistics from multiple independent sources suggest that significant numbers of American women are forced into sexual servitude by various forms of coercion.

No one should expect LE to refrain for acting on those numbers.

[URL]https://deliverfund.org/facts-about-human-trafficking-in-the-us/[/URL]

[URL]https://www.worldwithoutexploitation.org/stats[/URL]#stat-1.

[URL]https://www.state.gov/united-states-advisory-council-on-human-trafficking-annual-report-2021/[/URL]

[URL]https://theexodusroad.com/prostitution-and-human-trafficking-know-the-difference/[/URL][/QUOTE]Well maybe the cops shouldn't exert violence on them or put them in spit hoods, and the courts shouldn't threaten to charge them if its "difficult to prove" and they really cared about all these things you mention! Until they do, its about control, not helping! I already understand the points you've made and there are valid points. Bottom line is there is a clear difference between women we all see on skipthegames who are clearly doing it out of their own free will, and evil situations like in the movie "Apartment 407. " They arent going to uncover those evil situations by harassing veteran escorts on skipthegames trying to make a living, and to harass those skipthegames ladies is not only ignorant, but also takes away resources that could be used to get people who need it helped, such as individuals like the woman in that movie.

C92.

Laughter is not a sign of being correct.

If one visits the local jails and psych wards, one will hear an abundance of laugher there.

[QUOTE=Chunks92;6023304]Well maybe the cops shouldn't exert violence on them or put them in spit hoods, and the courts shouldn't threaten to charge them if its "difficult to prove" and they really cared about all these things you mention![/QUOTE]The use of force by law enforcement officers is permitted under specific circumstances.

It's never pretty.

Perhaps hookers should think carefully before engaging in criminal activity, or resisting arrest.

[QUOTE=Chunks92;6023304]Until they do, its about control, not helping![/QUOTE]It's about interdicting criminal activity pursuant to law.

[QUOTE=Chunks92;6023304] Bottom line is there is a clear difference between women we all see on skipthegames who are clearly doing it out of their own free will, and evil situations like in the movie "Apartment 407".[/QUOTE]Some experts suggest there is no difference.

They say all women who prostitute themselves do so because of abuse and violence in their lives at the hands of men.

They also say that the abuse / violence has made those women incapable of exerting free will when it comes to engaging in prostitution.

[QUOTE=Chunks92;6023304]They aren't going to uncover those evil situations by harassing veteran escorts on SkipTheGames trying to make a living[/QUOTE]LE is mandated with enforcing the law against sex for hire.

That's what cops do.

Escorts and mongers should expect no less.

Perhaps escorts should consider a transition to earning a living within the bounds of law.

Or lobbying for a change in the law.