Massage Parlor Reports

I've never been to Lemon, don't know anything about it.

But the story, if you read it carefully, suggests that actually they had no evidence of any illegal activity, just some complaints from people who don't like it. And the ad seemed saucy. So they gave them a hard time so they closed. Maybe they shouldn't advertise on backpage is about all this suggests. It also suggests that Elkhart County is not a good place for AMPs.

I would hope that other shops won't close just because of a few complaints. Imagine if every liquor store got shut down because of a few complaints from busybodies.

The core service is the massage. One can get a massage in a hundred places around here from westerners but do they work out the knots and stress as well as these Asian places. Not in my book. They get a bad rap from jealous CMTs that don't like the competition.

Lest the powers that be adopt the same negative & unfair stance towards Asian massage parlors in St Joe county, I make the following observations, mostly for them, when they come here and read this.

1-- we are talking about at least 8 business all of which have been operating for years without any violations of law or prosecutions at all. I doubt they even have complaints from other local businesses or residents. Volume is low and parking is never a problem. None of them are open past 930 pm or so, so nobody is coming and going at off hours.

2-- of these at least 8 businesses they pay rent, and they are darn sure paying some kind of taxes, nobody can get around taxes of one kind or another in this country. The employees-- who knows how many but figure around 20 working at any given time-- they too are consumers of local goods and services themselves even if they don't go out much.

3-- the locations are not really depressed locations but they aren't premium ones either. It's better for the public to have a business that is peaceful and quiet and helping people feel physically better than to have a vacancy that does nothing, discourages other local businesses, hurts landlords, and drags us all down.

4-- men who work physical jobs hurt all over and even men who have desk jobs get older and our backs hurt our feet and hands get arthritic and as an arthritic old man myself I want a massage but no way am I going to the mall for one. I would rather have an Asian woman I don't know give me a massage, than go into a place with a bunch of white women who may be my social peers and are going to want to talk to me or tease me or maybe even gossip about me when I am gone. So sorry all you other CMTs out there, you charge more than them, and you should talk less to clients. I just don't want to go to Massage Envy in the mall and have a chatty cathy working on me I would rather be able to have peaceful silence for an hour.

5-- Lets talk about methods for a second. An American woman can go out there and study accupressure points or even qigong or get some alphabet soup certifications in this or that asiatic branded method (reiki, what a joke) but its another thing altogether to get a massage from a Chinese woman who has grown up in a culture that actually believes in qi and has lived it. I have had a lot of massages from westerners too and some of them thought they knew accurpressure points and some knew them better than others. I have never had as good a massage with proper accupressure point manipulations however than I have had from a Chinese person and yes I had one from an old Chinese guy up in Chicago years back that was great. Nothing against our fellow Americans here, but the cultural belief in qi goes into these massages and if you have had them a lot and payed attention to your body you know that you are getting a lot more from a good AMP massage than just "happiness. " So this is pure customer choice.

6-- a lot of us are using these and we vote and we make political donations and we may in fact be democrats and the elected democrats in ST Joe county have been and better keep on being hospitable to these businesses because we like them and it will not be good for the community if they fall under selective prosecutions.

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First time poster, First time ever getting a massage. Visited New Horrizon on Lincolnway East in Oceola on Friday. Went late morning. Was met at the door by Coco. Attractive young lady. Well young to me. Probably in her early 30's. Very nice lady. Again first time ever getting a massage. Very nice massage. She seem to hit all of the sore spots. Only got the 30 minuet as I didn't want to go to deep the first time. Room was very clean and Coco was very nice. Didn't ask for any extras as I was a nervous noob but the experience was great. We sat and talked for a little while after the massage was over. She said that it looked like they were going to close this Monday. She told me this was the same owners as Lemon in Elkhart. Didn't say why they were closing just that they were and may open under new name and management in a couple weeks.

I will definitely be keeping an eye on it as Coco made this a great first time experience. Gave her a nice tip, probably to big for just a massage, but again she worked hard, did a little clean teasing and was very nice. If this place does close I will try to find out where Coco ends up and maybe get a little braver and see if there are a little bit of extras available.

Had another season today at NH. They were open so I was a little confused about her statements last week that they may not be open.

Anyway, went for the 60 minuet today. Once again a great massage! But remember this is only my second time to an AMP. Coco was very friendly as she was last time. No extras but I have only been there twice so there is hope. I don't want to be to forward. Allowed some causal touching but again didn't want to get carried away just yet. But all in all a very pleasant experience.

I got the opportunity to go see her Saturday evening and was presently surprised. She is a white massage therapist and her office is very clean. She gives a good massage and I left happy. She advertises on Craigslist.

Noobie67, thanks for your contributions to the board. There is no reason to be so reserved and timid at NH or at any other AMP. They are in the pleasure business, they won't be offended if you let them know what you want. They either will or will not provide the desired service, but you need to be a bit more aggressive. Especially on your second visit, it was time to find out what they think of you as a customer. After you flip over, make eye contact, give her a smile, and rub her ass or thighs. If that isn't enough to get things started, guide her hand where you want it. Maybe ask if she would mind massaging one more place and indicate where that might be. DO NOT offer a specific tip for this, that puts both you and her at risk. Just say what you would like to happen. And it will.

[QUOTE=Noobie67;2694831]Had another season today at NH. They were open so I was a little confused about her statements last week that they may not be open.

Anyway, went for the 60 minuet today. Once again a great massage! But remember this is only my second time to an AMP. Coco was very friendly as she was last time. No extras but I have only been there twice so there is hope. I don't want to be to forward. Allowed some causal touching but again didn't want to get carried away just yet. But all in all a very pleasant experience.[/QUOTE]

Thanks for the advice Putt Putt. I will give that a try next time I go to NH. BUT. Had a bad day yesterday. While out doing my job I had car trouble. I was over on 933 so I thought what the heck. Left my car to get fixed and went over to Best on 933. Very very clean place.

Took some things I have read in the forum. Like not covering with the towel when I laid down. Had a little bit older lady but still attractive and very nice. Forgot to ask her name. Absolutely a better massage. She was dressed in dress slacks and nice oriental top. I thought ok good thing my back does hurt cause I'm dropping for two massages in one day.

I was loving the massage. She was very good at find the sore muscles. Flipped. Maybe she could tell I was timid and did make comment a couple times about this only being my third massage.

Then she just took matters into her own hands. Never indicated or asked for tip or anything. Allowed some roaming but again I didn't push to much.

I know the session went over on hour but she seemed determined to make sure I was completely happy when she was done. Left very happy. From start to the finish she was very good and in control. Will definitely go back here.

[QUOTE=PuttPutt;2695482]Noobie67, thanks for your contributions to the board. There is no reason to be so reserved and timid at NH or at any other AMP. They are in the pleasure business, they won't be offended if you let them know what you want. They either will or will not provide the desired service, but you need to be a bit more aggressive. Especially on your second visit, it was time to find out what they think of you as a customer. After you flip over, make eye contact, give her a smile, and rub her ass or thighs. If that isn't enough to get things started, guide her hand where you want it. Maybe ask if she would mind massaging one more place and indicate where that might be. DO NOT offer a specific tip for this, that puts both you and her at risk. Just say what you would like to happen. And it will.[/QUOTE]

Decent looking lady?

[QUOTE=LaPorte;2694921]I got the opportunity to go see her Saturday evening and was presently surprised. She is a white massage therapist and her office is very clean. She gives a good massage and I left happy. She advertises on Craigslist.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Noobie67;2694831]Had another season today at NH. They were open so I was a little confused about her statements last week that they may not be open.[/QUOTE]I would imagine they're just being cautious. Evidently, Lemon was in a much more visible and residential location, and someone obviously complained to LE without any real justification. The news even reported there wasn't much traffic at the place (it had only been open, what, a month?).

Since LE had no strong evidence to arrest anyone at Lemon (otherwise they would have), they simply tracked down the owners and threatened them with legal action if there were any arrests at the place (even though there likely wasn't any real basis for it). LE's goal was to frighten the owners into shutting down the place, and that's exactly what happened. NH was probably expecting the same kind of treatment but, since no one complained, they get to stay open.

It's sad that all LE has to do is contact the owners of a business (any business) and tell them there's suspected illegal activity going on and that the owners will be held liable if anyone is ever arrested at the business. Frankly, that sounds a lot like illegal harassment. Seems like a decent lawyer would have gotten LE to back off on that kind of crap in a hurry. I wonder if they do the same thing with major retailers like Walmart?

[QUOTE=Noobie67;2695756]Decent looking lady?[/QUOTE]Yes, I would give her about a 7 or so. She has a very nice body. I paid for the nude massage is I had something to look at.

That makes sense. And at one of my visits to NH she did say that NH is owned by the same people. Shame cause I really liked Coco. Oh well. Booked a session with Sherri for next week. Hopefully that one will work out.

[QUOTE=Rudiger;2696049]I would imagine they're just being cautious. Evidently, Lemon was in a much more visible and residential location, and someone obviously complained to LE without any real justification. The news even reported there wasn't much traffic at the place (it had only been open, what, a month?).

Since LE had no strong evidence to arrest anyone at Lemon (otherwise they would have), they simply tracked down the owners and threatened them with legal action if there were any arrests at the place (even though there likely wasn't any real basis for it). LE's goal was to frighten the owners into shutting down the place, and that's exactly what happened. NH was probably expecting the same kind of treatment but, since no one complained, they get to stay open.

It's sad that all LE has to do is contact the owners of a business (any business) and tell them there's suspected illegal activity going on and that the owners will be held liable if anyone is ever arrested at the business. Frankly, that sounds a lot like illegal harassment. Seems like a decent lawyer would have gotten LE to back off on that kind of crap in a hurry. I wonder if they do the same thing with major retailers like Walmart?[/QUOTE]

The therapists know why you are there. It's not a coincidence that only guys go to AMPs. They know what you want. They know that they will get a bigger tip if they give you what you want. They want a bigger tip.

So your job is to make them comfortable and show them that you are not LEO so this can happen. Both parties leave happy this way. So do some grabbing and squeezing on the flip. Don't go overboard where they think you are creepy. But do enough that they don't have to worry that you will arrest them.

[QUOTE=LaPorte;2696067]Yes, I wyould give her about a 7 or so. She has a very nice body. I paid for the nude massage is I had something to look at.[/QUOTE]The number on CL I texted replied back with wrong number. Amy help. Thanks.

Glad to hear NH is still open. Haven't been there in a few months and would love to see Sophia again. I wonder if the level of service is the same since the recent Lemon incident. I'm sure she'd remember me so that may play into it. I just hate to drive an hour for less than the same level of service as before.

Tried her out but the pricing is a bit much for my liking 175 hh included nude HE / HJ no negotiating price is firm unless repeating.