MSP Sugar

[QUOTE=Anonyminn;4985163][URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/f4b5b0ac-e901-4d48-a241-363dc9b079ad[/URL]

Sent me an unsolicited offer of 850 PPM today. When challenged that this is well above market rate even for top-shelf SBs, she responded with, "Well I must be top shelf LOL. I've been doing this for 5 years. I'm young, I'm pretty, I'm a sweetheart. This is top shelf hunny. ".

What little we can see looks great IMO, but there's even better locally for less.[/QUOTE]She looks like total BS to me, new profile, only one picture and many of the scammers use kind of obscure towns as their locations. The top shelf girls know they have to sell themselves to get the big money and create good profiles with pictures that will grab your attention and they don't need to make unsolicited offers because they get more messages than they can read.

[QUOTE=WiseTraveler;4985523][URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/77796a80-90e5-4a5d-a628-1b2870e219e0[/URL]

Or at least a likely one. Newer profile, immediately moved to text, wanted to meet, never asked for my pics, then claims she'll need $90 to "cover her shift at the army base" before she can meet. Trolled her for fun and might continue to do so.

Quick way to see least make sure she's the one in her profile is to insist she sends a selfie with the fingers up. That's when scammers ghost / or tell you to fuck off.[/QUOTE]Yes definitely red flags, again only one picture and in my opinion they need at least 3 on their profile. Even if they are private and they can open them after chat some. Also, when is the last time you meet a woman who didn't want to know what you looked like LOL.

[QUOTE=Anonyminn;4985246]
I don't give advances or cover emergencies either. My current long-termer tried this early on and I shot her down; she actually told me much later that she respected me more for it.[/QUOTE]There are a few times I have been asked to help with rent after the first meeting and before anything physical and those obviously were a hard no. They still saw me again despite my declining to help.

I did give an advance to someone I had been seeing for around 5 months. She had been and and car accident and had agreed to pay the owner of the other vehicle for the damage to their car (She had hit a parked car) We were scheduled to meet that day and she texted me asking to essentially prepay for few meetings. Long story short, I agreed but the amount would be less than I would pay if payed for each on separately kind of a prepaid discount. She definitely showed her appreciation that day when we meet.

Afterwards, I had feeling that I probably was out the money I just gave her, even though I knew her story was legit. We didn't communicate that much between meeting just occasional text, she was using a texting app and only checked her messages on it once in awhile. But when I didn't her from her in a very weeks, figured I had been screwed. After about 4 or 5 weeks I finally get a response from her to my text and she asks if I hadn't received her messages she sent a few weeks earlier. I said I had not received anything.

Turns out she had sent me a message saying that she wouldn't be able to see me without getting an allowance despite our agreement. She had figured I was upset with her which is why I had responded to those message, but I had never received it. I was feeling totally fucked at this point, but didn't get lose my temper. I counter offering to pay half of what I had paid her previously for the next 8 times I saw her and we ended up settling on half for next 6 meetings. In the end it was probably a break even situation on our regular PPM.

So, I guess it worked out as it is year and half later and I am still seeing her (she is the girl in the golf pic I post earlier this week) Hope, I am not posting to much here, but I was on the site for almost 5 years and probably meet over 100 woman. I am not sure how many I actually have had arrangements with since I stopped counting somewhere in the 40's and the was almost 2 years ago. I have some amazing experiences, both good and bad, including having a SB rob me at gun point. I can't really share them with my friends and they wouldn't believe me if I told them LOL.

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/e872d0c7-a51c-4c54-9bb9-ac1d2287992b[/URL]

After three days of back and forth: "I don't do fwb sorry".

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/70dad473-f033-4541-a969-b6cb7d218262[/URL]

At least it was in her first reply: "I prefer not to meet up".

[QUOTE=Ryan33;4985537]Yes definitely red flags, again only one picture and in my opinion they need at least 3 on their profile. Even if they are private and they can open them after chat some. Also, when is the last time you meet a woman who didn't want to know what you looked like LOL.[/QUOTE]Called it. Either deleted or blocked me. Good riddance.

[QUOTE=Ryan33;4986155]....So, I guess it worked out as it is year and half later and I am still seeing her (she is the girl in the golf pic I post earlier this week) Hope, I am not posting to much here, but I was on the site for almost 5 years and probably meet over 100 woman. I am not sure how many I actually have had arrangements with since I stopped counting somewhere in the 40's and the was almost 2 years ago. I have some amazing experiences, both good and bad, including having a SB rob me at gun point. I can't really share them with my friends and they wouldn't believe me if I told them LOL.[/QUOTE]In the middle of something similar but it looks like it might work out. Found one just my type, 24, was actually even more adorable in person than pics (most SDs would next her based on limited pics and her profile). Great breakfast M&G. Totally not jaded in any way but nervous. Said all the right things. I was ready to head directly to a hotel but had meetings. She messaged after in a panic needing double PPM rate that day knowing it sounded like a scam as I'd talked her through all of the scams both SDs and SBs have to deal with and my view on emergency requests, etc. I was 95% sure she was telling the truth as we'd talked about finances for over 90 minutes so I had a good sense of how she managed money. She just literally hit a bad spot. I took the risk for a meet that afternoon and it was worth the advance alone even if we never met again. I ended up getting basically three meets for the price of two as she felt bad for imposing. I gifted the extra to show good faith.

Sometimes taking a risk pays off and Ryan33 nailed it with the 'figured it was lost $' view since that's exactly the right view to take, same as if you lent $ to friends / family. Expect the worst and you might be pleasantly surprised.

[QUOTE=WiseTraveler;4986264]
Sometimes taking a risk pays off and Ryan33 nailed it with the 'figured it was lost $' view since that's exactly the right view to take, same as if you lent $ to friends / family. Expect the worst and you might be pleasantly surprised.[/QUOTE]That it is exactly right, I think you have to take some risks to get the full benefit of SA. Sometimes they pay off and sometimes not, just have to take the bad ones as learning experiences. My best experiences are situations that were totally unexpected.

Apparently I worked it quite differently than a lot of you, as many seem to explain exactly what they are expecting from them before meeting. While I would make it clear that I expected intimacy as part of the arrangement, I usually didn't discuss many details before the first meeting. So, I go into the initial meetings somewhat blind and to be honest they may not have even known what they were willing to offer LOL.

An example is a 21 yr old St Thomas student I meet last year. She was very attractive and we meet without having much discussion all. She tells me she I was the first guy she had meet with off the site and and has only slept two guys in her life. One was her freshman year boyfriend and the other was an older guy. Sounded like neither one really gave her want she needed in bed. She said that she was ok with a physical relationship, but wanted to take it slow and all I am hearing is blah, blah blah. About 90 minutes later I have her bent over my desk back at my office and she is screaming at me to fuck her harder. So much for taking to slow.

My objective is get get them to an in person meeting and than it is up to me to close the deal. If I had told that young woman I expect this or that sexually before we meet, she would have most likely never would have shown up. The point being, there is great risk reward opportunities on SA if you are willing to accept some risks.

The same goes for the use of protection, I never bring it up and assume it won't be needed (but always have some with me). If they ask I say I am good with whatever they are comfortable with, so it is their choice. Once you get in the heat of the action, they usually forget about it unless they aren't using any other type of birth control. Also, many woman have told me asking about bareback before meeting in person is a big turnoff even if they are ok with it.

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Offered 400 PPM and she asked if 500 was "acceptable" instead. I explained that I reserve that level for exceptional women and/or perks and wouldn't commit to 500 without the benefit of a meeting. She was agreeable to this. My expectation was to hold at 400 if we went forward.

Over the past couple days, I'd been working to set up a date. Asked her Saturday night when she'd be available next (now this) week. She replied tonight (Sunday) that she was free "Monday and Tuesday next week" so I inquired about tomorrow, thinking she echoed my terminology for consistency.

Unexpectedly, she said she was "busy all day for sure". No availability anytime this week in fact. ("I work a lot this week. I NEED to work this week. I'm struggling".)

I then suggested that we pencil in "next Tuesday" instead. She responded, "I just said I'm not available on Tuesday". Decided to cut her off at that point; I'm not wasting my breath on how we define weeks.

Also, she's too skittish about COVID-19 for me: "Patio dining still has a lot of people so it makes me nervous".

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Quickly exchanged private pics and she seemed appropriately eager to meet. Claims to be in a decently rigorous degree program. She initially proposed "400-600" PPM; I countered that 400 seemed reasonable.

I then asked if she was up for a public meeting to gauge chemistry. Her response: "I honestly would rather meet at your place or in a intimate setting". Explained that it's too risky and I no longer do that; crickets in the three days since.

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/843bd301-dd92-47e2-b85e-a20c5a86ef3e[/URL]

Despite her profile location, she's a full-time student up in ND who rarely returns apart from breaks. Getting her to quantify how often was like pulling teeth. Save your effort.

[QUOTE=Ryan33;4986707]The same goes for the use of protection, I never bring it up and assume it won't be needed (but always have some with me). If they ask I say I am good with whatever they are comfortable with, so it is their choice. Once you get in the heat of the action, they usually forget about it unless they aren't using any other type of birth control. Also, many woman have told me asking about bareback before meeting in person is a big turnoff even if they are ok with it.[/QUOTE]Going bareback is crucial for me, and I too approach each encounter as though it will be sans condom. If they want to discuss protection (and have me decline it), it's up to them.

I agree that resistance to bareback is a lot weaker once they're wet. Also, I've never heard it said, but I think if they're already at your place (particularly in the sack) when you say you won't wear one, they figure they won't get paid for their time if they don't play along and acquiesce accordingly.

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/4cc695d0-6932-4241-b906-69e95d96d299[/URL]

I have a funny feeling about her. Any scoop?

After four days, she replied this (Monday) morning and immediately provided her number to text. I inquired about desired frequency of meets and rates; she began her reply with, "Hey handsome man" even though my pics are private, and she punted on a rate: "I am pretty open to PPM negotiation, I want it to be fair for both of us. " She then suggested I send a pic. Along with her profile comment on looking 13, I'm a little suspect.

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/ece351ce-97c2-4a88-8171-8140f440da31[/URL]

"Not looking to meet up on a consistent basis".

[QUOTE=Anonyminn;4987652][URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/4cc695d0-6932-4241-b906-69e95d96d299[/URL]

I have a funny feeling about her. Any scoop?

After four days, she replied this (Monday) morning and immediately provided her number to text. I inquired about desired frequency of meets and rates; she began her reply with, "Hey handsome man" even though my pics are private, and she punted on a rate: "I am pretty open to PPM negotiation, I want it to be fair for both of us. " She then suggested I send a pic. Along with her profile comment on looking 13, I'm a little suspect.[/QUOTE]Wish I could help you out more on some of these, but haven't renewed my membership since March. So, I don't have any intel on the newer ones and many I had contact with have disappeared since Covid.

Nothing in her profile really sets off any alarms. I agree if they call you handsome before seeing pictures, it is not a positive signal. Only other concern I would have is she says she is looking for guys age 23-30 and I am twice that LOL.