Vietnamese Bars

[QUOTE=Night Colors]Does anybody know of a hostess bar that will permit smoking? This whole standing outside thing is driving me bonkers when I'm drinking. I've heard a few bars will allow it at certain times and with the right people. If someone knows of a place or the correct staff member to allow it, please send me a private message. Will keep the info on the down low.[/QUOTE]
Just be careful. Some folks may wanna beef with you... I was at a coffee shop yesterday and a girl was smoking outside at a table near the door. Another customer outside got all up in her shit telling her to put it out. I thought he and her boyfriend were gonna fight, but you could kind of tell her bf wasn't a fan of her smoking either.

Anyway, I've seen a couple of other heated situations besides this one since the smoking ban.

To be honest, while I wouldn't be an ass about it, I would speak up as well if someone were smoking near me in or within 20' of a public entrance (which is now the law).

I can count on TWO hands the number of close relatives (including mom & dad) whom have died from smoking related illnesses (cancer, emphysema, assorted respiratory difficulties, etc.)

Anyway, sorry for the lecture, but, just be careful...

Stopped in to see my regular,got in at around 11:30. Place was packed,no sign of my regular;but I did see Jennifer. I asked her how come she not working at the other bar. Told me she quit and now I guess working only at Asia. Saw her leave with two guys later. No sign of my regular,so I left at around 12:30.

[QUOTE=JohnDoughnut]I was there two nights ago and saw both Rose and Vanessa. Rose is still super sexy. Vanessa has put on some weight, but, she's still Vanessa. I'd tap that shit ANY day.[/QUOTE]Rose has the bod, especially for an over 40 girl, but if you look at her face, it is starting to show her age. Guess if I was with her as long as I could bang that bod on a regular basis I wouldn't care that the face was starting to show her age.

Vanessa is still as slutty as ever, guess times may change but the girl doesn't.

Was at Asia last night,when the girl I was sitting with told me that the police raided them. Tried to get more details ,but didn't get any. Anyone got any info?

[QUOTE=Roamin Roman]I agree w/ you, NC. A ban ought to be up to the owner of an establishment. That way, the free market --- not a bunch of pointy-headed bureaucrats or wild-eyed anti-smoking Stalinists --- will decide whether the clients [U]want[/U] a smoke-free environment or will patronize one where smoking is allowed. In other words, an owner will quickly find out if his patrons are more likely to visit if smoking is allowed or if smoking is banned.

Personally, I do [U]not[/U] smoke and never have. I don't like for cigarette smoke, but will tolerate it if I want to be in an environment where it occurs. That said, if a place allows smoking and I don't feel like being around a lot of cigarette smoke nor want it clinging to my clothes afterward, I will simply visit another establishment. I [U]refuse[/U] to impose my morals on someone else who may enjoy having a cigarette to accompany his meal, drink, or girl.

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Roamin,

I would disagree with your stance on smoking. By allowing smoking, you are allowing Smokers to decide if you are welcome or not. If you allow it, some people may tolerate it, because they just don't get the consequences. But the reality is, it's similar to having someone popping a drug in your drink/food or sticking a needle in your arm. They are shortening your life without your consent.

I have seen enough people die from smoking, but they did so voluntarily. Just don't force me to put up with it and face the same consequences in a public shared space.

I don't think this is a case of forcing one's morals. It's more similar to banning someone from having sex on the table next to you in the restaurant, not banning an AMP. I have a problem with banning AMP's, since it's your choice in a private room. I can understand banning people from having sex at the table in a restaurant. Would I personally object .. no; lol! I'm sure others might be offended though. I can understand drawing a line. I don't have a problem with someone smoking in their own home, again, their choice in a private room. If they set up a completely enclosed/sealed room, then that would be fine. This smoking side and non-smoking side with air freely drifting through was nonsense.

By the way, this counter view is nothing personal. Just friendly debate. Glad you enjoyed your stay in Paradise. Yeah, we do have it good. More than most states. Nothing like Bangkok though!

Night Colors - Nothing personal. I have a couple of friends that smoke too. I feel their pain, but I can't tell you how great it is for non-smokers, to have this law pass. This is one of those real hot button topics.

AT2

I think we could all do without the smoke. I prefer to be in a good clean environment where I can relax and breathe!

[QUOTE=Fergy]The one on the left was working at Club Ai, a japanese buy me drink bar in Waiks.[/QUOTE]

Fergy,

I did not see her at Club Ai, but I have only been there once.

AT2

[QUOTE=HawaiiJoe]I think we could all do without the smoke. I prefer to be in a good clean environment where I can relax and breathe![/QUOTE]Sorry HawaiiJoe, no can do. I know that some non-smokers are totally in love with this, but to do it, it requires that smokers get f*cked. One group gets the hook up the other group gets flamed, that's how it is. I can understand that it bothers some people, so than give us a area that is set up correctly so it can't bother non-smokers. They won't give us any compromise. Not happy, miss the girls and the action - but no fun now. I'm going out less and less. Standing out in the parking lot alone and in the rain all the time just ain't my idea of fun or worth my money. :(

I went there on friday looking for Laura. They said she was gone on vacation but would be back this week.

Anyway had a drink with Mina. She kinda looks like she could be trini kapuhikis older viet sister.

Bit tits and she really seemed like she was a player. She wanted to go to the back booth but i passed. Maybe next time. I wanted to see laura.

After that I went to Misty had a beer Rose busy with some scary looking local dudes so I split.

Anyone got more 411 on Mina or Laura of Cache?

[QUOTE=Night Colors]Sorry HawaiiJoe, no can do. I know that some non-smokers are totally in love with this, but to do it, it requires that smokers get f*cked. One group gets the hook up the other group gets flamed, that's how it is. I can understand that it bothers some people, so than give us a area that is set up correctly so it can't bother non-smokers. They won't give us any compromise. Not happy, miss the girls and the action - but no fun now. I'm going out less and less. Standing out in the parking lot alone and in the rain all the time just ain't my idea of fun or worth my money. :([/QUOTE]
Night Colors, if they could REALLY and TRULY make it to where the air doesn't mix, then cool. But we all know that's physically impossible unless it is in a closed off area. That's too expensive for the club owners to do, unless they really take a hit from smokers not going anymore.

I know it can almost become like a religious debate, and that's too bad. Too be honest though, sometimes when I'm walking around on the street, if I walk through someone's smoke, it's all I can do to keep from spitting on them. It's like, I'm breathing smoke than was exhaled out of their bodies, so have some saliva that came out of mine...

Like I said, I know it can get radical, but inside, that's how I feel. I HATE tobacco... And no, I don't smoke marijuana either.

Anyway, just to be clear, most of the objections of non-smokers (me included) comes directly from the deaths of loved ones due to smoking. It is a hard, hard, hard to get over. Especially when the loss is recent.

Peace!

[QUOTE=JohnDoughnut]Night Colors, if they could REALLY and TRULY make it to where the air doesn't mix, then cool. But we all know that's physically impossible unless it is in a closed off area. That's too expensive for the club owners to do, unless they really take a hit from smokers not going anymore.

I know it can almost become like a religious debate, and that's too bad. Too be honest though, sometimes when I'm walking around on the street, if I walk through someone's smoke, it's all I can do to keep from spitting on them. It's like, I'm breathing smoke than was exhaled out of their bodies, so have some saliva that came out of mine...

Like I said, I know it can get radical, but inside, that's how I feel. I HATE tobacco... And no, I don't smoke marijuana either.

Anyway, just to be clear, most of the objections of non-smokers (me included) comes directly from the deaths of loved ones due to smoking. It is a hard, hard, hard to get over. Especially when the loss is recent.

Peace![/QUOTE]

I agree keep them pickle suckin smokers out.

I think maybe it would be a little more interesting to discuss the women and our experiences rather than the smoking laws.

What do you think?

[QUOTE=JohnDoughnut]Night Colors, if they could REALLY and TRULY make it to where the air doesn't mix, then cool. But we all know that's physically impossible unless it is in a closed off area. That's too expensive for the club owners to do, unless they really take a hit from smokers not going anymore.

I know it can almost become like a religious debate, and that's too bad. Too be honest though, sometimes when I'm walking around on the street, if I walk through someone's smoke, it's all I can do to keep from spitting on them. It's like, I'm breathing smoke than was exhaled out of their bodies, so have some saliva that came out of mine...

Like I said, I know it can get radical, but inside, that's how I feel. I HATE tobacco... And no, I don't smoke marijuana either.

Anyway, just to be clear, most of the objections of non-smokers (me included) comes directly from the deaths of loved ones due to smoking. It is a hard, hard, hard to get over. Especially when the loss is recent.

Peace![/QUOTE]

I also agree with the above. Seeing a loved one die is never easy and unfortunately due to the nature of tobacco product related health complications, the death is rarely quick. It is often slow, brutal and ugly. As someone mentioned prior, smokers don't give us non-smokers a choice when they smoke in public. To make a board-related analogy, it would be like someone having sex in a public area and you catch the STD. All the drawbacks with none of the pleasure. My attitude is: "Why should I have to suffer for your friggen addiction/inability to deal problems."

*steps off soapbox again*

[QUOTE=HawaiiJoe]I think maybe it would be a little more interesting to discuss the women and our experiences rather than the smoking laws.

What do you think?[/QUOTE]
Amen,first football;now this smoking law crap!

I hear what you're saying, AT2, but I think you missed the gist of what I was driving at.

The first point was that, [B]if[/B] the majority of folks prefer a [U]non-smoking[/U] environment at an establishment, a proprietor/owner who allows his patrons to smoke will quickly see business fall off.

The second point was --- and this is important to bear in mind --- we do not have a [U]right[/U] to be in a private business establishment (such as a restaurant). We are there as [U]patrons[/U] (i.e., guests). The owner can ask us to leave, is he wishes. If we wish to enter an establishment, we do so with the clear understanding that some elements of the environment may not be to our liking. This is entirely different someone "imposing" their smoke upon us. We [U]chose[/U] to enter the establishment, and we can opt to leave (or even NOT go in the first place). We are not [U]required[/U] to be at the establishment, which is different from, say, a government office such as the Division of Motor Vehicles or a courtroom. (Such places should [U]absolutely[/U] be smoke-free zones.)

Finally, I am [B]very[/B] uncomfortable with unelected bureaucrats and other pointy-headed know-nothings [U]determining for me[/U] what is best for me. In a free society such as ours, we have a right to do things to ourselves and patronize environments that may not be healthy for us. But, with that "freedom to be stupid" also comes a responsibility to bear the consequences of our actions. If we want cradle-to-grave oversight of our lives, then we're probably (...correction: [U]definitely[/U]) living in the wrong country. We should move to...where? Cuba? France? Sweden?...if we want to surrender our freedoms in this manner. But as for me, I will never [U]order[/U] someone who's smoking in a private establishment to put his butt out. If I don't like his cigarette/cigar/weed, then I'll opt to go elsewhere. But I get to make that choice. The smoker doesn't decide it for me.

[B]R::R[/B]

BTW, I appreciate your cordiality in keeping the discussion civil. There are too many Stalinists (on the anti-smoking side) who would've been all in my face for the position I take on this issue. FWIW, I've had relatives who've died from smoking-related illness, and it rips me up thinking about what a waste it was. It is [B]one[/B] of the many reasons that I don't smoke.



[QUOTE=AsiaTraveler2]I would disagree with your stance on smoking. By allowing smoking, you are allowing Smokers to decide if you are welcome or not.[/QUOTE]