"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[QUOTE=JoeBogus;2458779]Got a text from a POT a few days after a m & g that went just ok. It went something like "I guess your not interested in a good girl?
So I said "You have not made it clear that you are ready for some sugar. You seemed hesitant. " {added some small talk after that about her new job, etc}.
She texted "You could have just told me you just wanted a prostitute because that's how I feel you are treating me and you haven't even sent me a message or given me a call".
So I replied "Your text was disturbing and insulting. I have been nothing but straight with you. My messages to you leading up to our meet and greet were more than clear.
We are not dating. If you don't want a SD / SB relationship I understand.
Good luck with your search".
Her final reply was "I do want a sb / sd relationship but its seems like you only will give me money if I have sex with you!! That is not a sugar baby that is a prostitute!
My question is: 1. Did I handle it right? And 2. Do I just move on because I shouldn't have to deal with her shit?
I think I just answered my own question.[/QUOTE]Hard to say, everyone has their own approach and expectations. Some of these girls (the better ones I would say) need a very clear distinction in their mind between being a SB and a pro. My approach makes that easy for them because I never make offers, I take them out on a date and bang them then gift them, end of story. It works great for girls like this who can't stand the thought of putting a price-per-fuck on themselves. Some of them just won't go there, and personally I think that's good because it does separate them from escorts. However, if you're married and need to sneak off for an afternoon quickie, this kind of girl may not be for you, because she's looking at the whole thing as more of a boyfriend / girlfriend situation. She might be one of those that's hard to get rid of if you need to, sounds like she dug you at the M&G (that can be a good and bad thing). So depending on your circumstances I'd probably say just move on to the next, there's always another.

[QUOTE=JoeBogus;2458779]Got a text from a POT a few days after a m & g that went just ok. It went something like "I guess your not interested in a good girl?

Her final reply was "I do want a sb / sd relationship but its seems like you only will give me money if I have sex with you!! That is not a sugar baby that is a prostitute!

My question is: 1. Did I handle it right? And 2. Do I just move on because I shouldn't have to deal with her shit?

I think I just answered my own question.[/QUOTE]Most girls do not want to think of themselves as a Prostitute, even though they are indeed selling themselves. The freebies are rare and only work for age appropriate men with girls who are looking for a BF. You will be the most successful if you can court them as naturally as possible while soft pedaling the money part. Make no mistake though, the Money is 99% of the equation.

No sex expectation is rare -as in Hoya'a post. He is paying lower amounts than most though and can afford to blow off $60 in good will- and maybe he really enjoys his girl's company outside the FC. If you are paying $ hundreds per visit there often is an expectation of performance, just as the girls expect their allowance. I set a rule early on in my Sugar career -no romance -no finance. A long term SB I loved several years ago was on her period and begged off of any physical activity. I was driving 2 hrs to see her and did not discover that "policy" until I got there. We had no opportunity to reschedule. I was pissed that she did not tell me. We still went out to dinner and had a lovely time but when we got home I made my rule clear. She wanted her allowance so she put a towel on the bed and proceeded to scream her way through 3 O's. I like secretions all over the place after good sex anyway.

[QUOTE=FredMoore;2459624] A long term SB I loved several years ago was on her period and begged off of any physical activity. I was driving 2 hrs to see her and did not discover that "policy" until I got there. We had no opportunity to reschedule. I was pissed that she did not tell me. [/QUOTE]I have my first real SB date lined up for tomorrow. Been working on it for about a month since it is an overnight work trip for me to PHL.

The SB and I made it clear early on that if there is attraction, a few hours of fun -- and even the possibility of an overnight was in the cards. I made certain to make sure we had the chemistry before even meetings, but I have worried about catching her at the wrong time.

Even though this is a business trip that I can't change -- she does not know that. I asked if the 7th worked for her, or "if maybe another day later in the month" was more suitable for what we had in mind. I would hate to have lined all this up and put my eggs in this one basket only to have Flo show up a few days before. Message was received loud and clear and she advised me accordingly.

With non-pros, they may not always be thinking about hitting the sack after a date, so this may not be registering on their radar, but its crucial information. You also don't just want to blurt out "when's your period" since that makes it clear you expect to bang her. They may be selling themselves for $$, but they need to maintain the illusion that they aren't so treat them accordingly and you will be rewarded.

Greetings, veterans of the sugar bowl. Been hobbying here in SW Ohio for the last few years, and now looking to try out the sugar world. I'm currently in the middle of reading through this incredibly informative thread, and have already learned a ton. I do have a couple questions that I'll go ahead and ask now.

With hobbying, contact and location are pretty simple. Get in touch, schedule appointment, get directions, show up, have fun, go home. Obviously things are more complicated beyond that, and so I'm looking for some advice in those areas:

1) What are the typical methods of approach you guys use? Something like "Hi, I liked your profile, want to meet?" Any particular tips for making contact, assessing possibilities, and setting up that first meeting?

2) Once you're actually ready to meet BCD, do you usually go to her place, your place, or get a hotel room? I'm single, so that obviously simplifies things for me quite a bit, but I've also seen a lot of advice in this thread to stay as anonymous as possible, and seems like having someone back over to my place could be an issue.

I'll keep going through the rest of this thread to see what else I can learn, but any tips or advice on this would be appreciated. Thanks!

[QUOTE=JoeBogus;2458779]Her final reply was "I do want a sb / sd relationship but its seems like you only will give me money if I have sex with you!! That is not a sugar baby that is a prostitute![/QUOTE]I always tell a girl when necessary that I dont pay to just "hang out". That would be some desperate guy, not me. And at some point (and it could be after the first real date) that I am looking for "bomb sex". That usually gets a laugh out of them. But if thats not what they are looking for then we are probably not a good fit. Look for horny girls and girls with good skills. LOL. They're out there. If you want it all, like the 9 and 10 girls, then expect to have to work (pay) for it. And make investments here and there to get it. But you know how many girls are tired of bad sex? A lot. And they will admit that freely. Some girls will drop their expectations and attitude if convinced you can deliver on the confidence you espouse.

[QUOTE=GuyInTheCorner;2458349]I've been fine just using SA and moving it over to email. Yahoo so it is in a separate app and I log out religiously. And snapchat for convos with a couple of my regular friends. (Which is lovely because they send me pics all the time.).

I had a burner but it just ran out. Pretty sure I am done with mongering for good. SBs are so much sweeter and more fun.[/QUOTE]I generally agree with the position that SBs ate sweeter and more fun. A few months ago I also thought I was done with mongering. This is no longer the case. Don't get me wrong, but the bowl does have its downsides. The downsides I am about to point out mainly relate to my specific situation though (e. G. I have an SO I have no intention of leaving, my location, my disposable income, etc.) so please take them with a grain of salt.

I've found recently that hotel prices in my region are two to three times what they were in the winter. Makes sense, but when you consider that into the budget, it makes trips to the FC very expensive. This of course is not an issue with those SDs who can host or who have SBs who ate willing to host. Unfortunately I cannot, and have yet to have a SB who can.

I have also found that I get bored of my SBs quickly. My current rotation is boring me only after a few months. I have my SO who fills my mental and emotional needs. Having SBs are great for their youth, the thrill of the "chase" and the newness of a new girl begging you to take their anal virginity, but like all relationships things get stale after a while. Some of these girls are sweet, but listening to some of them drivel on about their dreams of becoming an actress or a model, or whine about how some photographer didn't capture their picture which is why they didn't get a certain job can be exhausting.

While the contrast to mongering is obvious and the downsides of that world as compared to the bowl have already been well documented (e. G. SBs don't generally see 4 or 5 guys a day, etc.) I have recently realized that I will probably not fully exit that world either.

The quality of agencies in my region are outstanding. The large number of options also makes things very easy on my budget. Moreover, the work involved involves making a call or sending a text. No endless meet and greets, and games.

Don't get me wrong, I doubt I will ever leave the bowl either. I guess what I'm trying to say is that there are upsides and downsides to both worlds. I suspect that when I have more time, when hotel costs drop back down, and when I end things with my current rotation (which will happen shortly since I'm growing bored of my existing lineup), I will re-up my SA account and back to setting up m&gs.

In the meantime, best of luck to all the players in the bowl!

Would love to start participating here as I have been on SA for about 6 months. Boston based and I hope my postings garner me a little leeway as I will start off by asking a question without offering info.

Can someone give me the cliff notes on the acronyms you guys are using (POT, bowl, FC, etc).

Thanks in advance!

Looking to upgrade to the Sugar Babe World. Anyone can pm some pointers. Where to look, how to approach?

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Last night meet up with my backup SB. She's starting to become a forerunner. Last night we're bar hopping both drunk. I use the hotel app and Uber to get to the hotel. I bought a 3 pack of condoms and ran out in the middle of the night. She tells me she's on "depro" or some 5 yr BC and begs me to cum inside. Like really begging me and all the daddy talk. It was insane. I don't go raw, she gives me oral and I pass out.

It's tempting. When I met up with her she had just finished having dinner with her mother. She wanted to introduce me. Also, she told me she loved me and wants to be my GF.

Question? Are any of you guys banging your SB's raw dog? I grew up in the 90's and Magic Johnson. I wear a condom all the time and super paranoid about unprotected sex.

Dude,

This has TROUBLE written ALL over it.

Raw means diseases and not just babies.

She is getting attached (love?) and wants to be GF? Ouch.

You may want to think about cooling it down.

Them again, I have a feeling that you already know this, just looking for affirmation.

[QUOTE=HoyaSvnFgr;2462853]Last night meet up with my backup SB. She's starting to become a forerunner. Last night we're bar hopping both drunk. I use the hotel app and Uber to get to the hotel. I bought a 3 pack of condoms and ran out in the middle of the night. She tells me she's on "depro" or some 5 yr BC and begs me to cum inside. Like really begging me and all the daddy talk. It was insane. I don't go raw, she gives me oral and I pass out.

It's tempting. When I met up with her she had just finished having dinner with her mother. She wanted to introduce me. Also, she told me she loved me and wants to be my GF.

Question? Are any of you guys banging your SB's raw dog? I grew up in the 90's and Magic Johnson. I wear a condom all the time and super paranoid about unprotected sex.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=HoyaSvnFgr;2462853]Last night meet up with my backup SB. She's starting to become a forerunner. Last night we're bar hopping both drunk. I use the hotel app and Uber to get to the hotel. I bought a 3 pack of condoms and ran out in the middle of the night. She tells me she's on "depro" or some 5 yr BC and begs me to cum inside. Like really begging me and all the daddy talk. It was insane. I don't go raw, she gives me oral and I pass out.

It's tempting. When I met up with her she had just finished having dinner with her mother. She wanted to introduce me. Also, she told me she loved me and wants to be my GF.

Question? Are any of you guys banging your SB's raw dog? I grew up in the 90's and Magic Johnson. I wear a condom all the time and super paranoid about unprotected sex.[/QUOTE]I call my ATF my GF and have met her mom. I only go raw. 61 years without an STD. Maybe I,m just lucky. I lost my virginity 2 years after the "summer of love". No one used condoms back then. STD's were rare and every girl was on the pill. It was right of passage.

Is there risk? Lots of it. Over half the USA population has HSV1, and 1 out of about 7 has HSV2. Neither is curable and using condoms isnt going to help you if you like kissing or DATY. So lots of risk. Ask girls lots of questions about their health and x's. Stay safe. In my case the risk is about 4 to 40 times higher for STD's as I mainly do AA girls. Sad but true. Asian girls have the lowest rate of STD's. About a 10th the rate of AA girls.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herpes_simplex

http://www.cdc.gov/std/stats12/minorities.htm

Hurray. Just finished reading through all 607 pages of this incredible thread (admittedly skimming over much of the blow-by-blow updates, and focusing on the advice discussions). Having done so, I will go ahead and at least partially answer my own questions from my last post:

[QUOTE=Zcochran00;2460605]1) What are the typical methods of approach you guys use?[/QUOTE]One good approach is HollywoodGuy's "5 Steps" message approach ([URL]http://coach4ula.wix.com/fivesteps[/URL]).

[QUOTE=Zcochran00;2460605]2) Once you're actually ready to meet BCD, do you usually go to her place, your place, or get a hotel room?[/QUOTE]Looks like hotel rooms are the FC of choice almost every time. The major factors seem to be having SOs at home, and keeping yourself safe and anonymous.

I bookmarked a ton of posts while reading through, and will now go back through those to collate and sort out some of the massive amounts of info in this thread. I'll try to put up a couple summary posts once I'm done for the benefit of other newbies.

[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;2463031]I call my ATF my GF and have met her mom. I only go raw. 61 years without an STD. Maybe I,m just lucky. I lost my virginity 2 years after the "summer of love". No one used condoms back then. STD's were rare and every girl was on the pill. It was right of passage.

Is there risk? Lots of it. Over half the USA population has HSV1, and 1 out of about 7 has HSV2. Neither is curable and using condoms isnt going to help you if you like kissing or DATY. So lots of risk. Ask girls lots of questions about their health and x's. Stay safe. In my case the risk is about 4 to 40 times higher for STD's as I mainly do AA girls. Sad but true. Asian girls have the lowest rate of STD's. About a 10th the rate of AA girls.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herpes_simplex

http://www.cdc.gov/std/stats12/minorities.htm[/QUOTE]Thanks for the insight here. My last clean bill of STD health was right before I got married. Since bowling I can't count the number of partners, but I'd say roughly 12-15. All protected, with the exception of the BBBJ.

I did have one condom mishap, but fortunately no fallout. Incidently, the SB who the condom broke on became my main girl. I wonder sometimes if the fact that I came inside her made us closer on more an emotional level. "OR" maybe it's the ca $h. In either case, she's pretty convincing.

[QUOTE=FTP1999;2462965]Dude,

This has TROUBLE written ALL over it.

Raw means diseases and not just babies.

She is getting attached (love?) and wants to be GF? Ouch.

You may want to think about cooling it down.

Them again, I have a feeling that you already know this, just looking for affirmation.[/QUOTE]Definitely going to cool this one down. I think what happened here is we became penpals. Moved from SA to text and were messaging constantly. Finally met and she was much better than her pics. Some average girls are actually much better in person. She's exotic, tall & thin 10/10/10. The only problem is I can't bare to listen to her talk. She's like a stereotypical "blonde" girl. I've had dinner dates that were just embarrasing. Gorgeous girl. If I could teach her not to speak in public, she'd be perfect.

The plus side with her is she doesn't ask for sugar. Her expectation is like normal dating. The sex is insane, mostly because she cums frequently and is very vocal during FC. She's even vocal during oral. The moaning when she's giving oral is so arousing. I truly believe this girl thoroughly enjoys it.

My question is how do I keep her as a solid backup SB and not give her the impression I want to be in a "relationship".

Sunday - 05.03.

Went to see my little 19 year old church girl. Had an awesome 90 minute session in the backseat of the car. Got her warmed up by vigorously and simultaeneously fingering both holes, while sucking her clit. Then my dick went from her mouth to pussy to ass to pussy to ass to mouth. I love this girl. Her body is so amazing and ultra hygeinic. Her ass is wet, smooth and accepting. Maybe the best I ever had. Better than most pussy. She loves rough nipple play and age play and being dommed. And she won't stop bugging me to let her join in with my ATF.

Monday.

The 18 year old blond canceled our 11 am due to a dr. Appt. Tried to get with my ATF but she couldn't make it due to babysitting issues. Had a new girl agree to my $ and then I saw her real pics. About 30 lbs heavier than the slicked up ones she had on SA. I guess they figure its either that or they won't even have a shot at a date. Then a hottie thought the $ was for the M&G. I don't think so. Oh well.

Also, I think Jeez might be right. All the super hotties are lez. It's like in my neighborhood, all the super goodlooking guys are gay. And all the girls on SA that say they aren't prostitutes in their profiles? They're just gold diggers. One girl told me not to insult her with $$$$$ offers for sex. I told her I would never dream of doing that. LOL. I think I am too immature to date anyone over 30. Sorry but I like fun not drama. I made an offer to another girl and she accepted. Oops, she still had her man parts. Way too many of those in my area.

Finally caught a break. My church girl txted me about 9.30 pm and told me how happy she was to see me last night. Fast enough the conversation heated up to the point where we ended up hooking up again tonite. That was date number seven. Good thing, because I was horny today. I'm not horny everyday. And I hate wasting it.

Tuesday.

Saw my ATF after work. We are still on our honeymoon. I love doing her in her new apartment, its so romantic. Talked to a few booty call girls today just to keep them in the loop. Supposed to see the 18 year old white girl tomorrow. I wonder how she would feel if we hung out all day and I didn't fuck her. I am so tired. LOL.

Wednesday.

Got a txt this morning from the newest girl I banged that she was at a hospital 5 minutes from me as her child was getting some minor surgery and that she was stuck there with no money. So I drove there and dropped off a $ as an advance on our next date. A pretty safe bet based on our short but productive history so far. She looks like she could be a good booty call girl and only 15 minutes away. Good for a couple more bangs at least.

Got a CL hit the other day and spent part of the day today txting back and forth. Finally set up an M&G for 9 pm. Just as I am ready to leave she txt's and says she has to cancel. All my backup POTS are MIA. Then the flake girl called back at 10 so I went over to her apartment. She was an average looking white girl. Like early 30's with some pudge. Even though I told her a $ beforehand when I saw her I told her. 4 was the best I could do. She took it and gave me a 45 minute BBBJ. Nothing special and I won't be repeating unless I am desperate for a. 4 BBBJ from an average looking white girl that likes being dommed and verbally humiliated. Good thing it was less than 10 minutes from my house. She wanted it really rough which kind of made it better (except I lost a little skin in the process). I made her finish me while I sat at the kitchen table with her kneeling on the floor, while I ate my Roscoes Chicken that I had picked up on the way to her place.

Thursday.

One thing you notice if you date a lot of black girls, is that about a third of them grew up in mostly or all white neighborhoods, hence their attraction to white guys. Another third may be from the hood, but only date white guys. And the last third may have never dated a white guy, but can't wait to. But anytime you interacial date (from any race) it always stokes the flames. You may seem as exotic to them as they seem to you. Don't want to get too racial, but it definitely makes things hotter from my perspective.

Fucked my ATF tonite. We are on a roll.

Friday.

Helped out an x SB with moving today. She offered to fuck me as repayment for my time but demanded it be a sleepover. Not what I had in mind, so I told her maybe another time. Recharge day today.

Saturday - 05.09.

The week is done. It ended on a good note with my church girl who now wants me to call her my # 1. LOL.

[QUOTE=Tdog69;2462513]Looking to upgrade to the Sugar Babe World. Anyone can pm some pointers. Where to look, how to approach?[/QUOTE]Search this board starting with the opening thread, move forward in time and take notes. Everyone learned by doing, shared their experiences and learned. So read it all. Don't forget the part about taking notes.

Z, I've been reading this forum daily for around a year and a half. I got through the first 150 or 200 pages, ran out of time chasing the babies. Seems I spend all my free time doing that now (good or bad, I don't know). If indeed you can put a summary together, it would be helpful. I'm WAY more seasoned and experienced from reading the posts however always more things to be learned.

[QUOTE=Zcochran00;2463414]Hurray. Just finished reading through all 607 pages of this incredible thread (admittedly skimming over much of the blow-by-blow updates, and focusing on the advice discussions). Having done so, I will go ahead and at least partially answer my own questions from my last post:

One good approach is HollywoodGuy's "5 Steps" message approach ([URL]http://coach4ula.wix.com/fivesteps[/URL]).

Looks like hotel rooms are the FC of choice almost every time. The major factors seem to be having SOs at home, and keeping yourself safe and anonymous.

I bookmarked a ton of posts while reading through, and will now go back through those to collate and sort out some of the massive amounts of info in this thread. I'll try to put up a couple summary posts once I'm done for the benefit of other newbies.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Bowtie;2463737]Z, I've been reading this forum daily for around a year and a half. I got through the first 150 or 200 pages, ran out of time chasing the babies. Seems I spend all my free time doing that now (good or bad, I don't know). If indeed you can put a summary together, it would be helpful. I'm WAY more seasoned and experienced from reading the posts however always more things to be learned.[/QUOTE]Yeah, it got more and more annoying to see the repetitions of newbie questions and veteran "RTFF" replies as I went along. Typical for any long-lasting discussion group, though. I could point to similar examples in a number of completely different forums I've seen.

I did a bunch of categorization and tried to publish copies of the collected posts elsewhere for ease of access, but the admin took very understandable exception to that approach. I'll try to do some index posts with links in the next couple days instead. Not quite as easy to read through, but will pass muster and keep the focus here on the forum.

Meanwhile, I'm currently trying to do some more cataloging of potentials before I actually start sending out messages. Put together an MS Access database that lets me easily enter all their profile information, including copying and pasting a few of their profile pics, for ease of searching and filtering. Come to think of it, the template for that DB would probably be something I could safely link to if anyone was interested. Also looking at trying out some contact / address book and Customer Relation Management apps to see if any of those might be useful in tracking contacts and status. Yes, I do have a marked tendency to try to organize and collect information, why do you ask? I also like to do thorough research before diving into any new activity.

Having said all that, just ran across this profile post and thought I'd share for amusement. Total case of GPS here:

[QUOTE]You pay my bills, but me a car, pamper me, buy me thing, nice diners, give me cash. 1000 for each date + take me shopping and pamper me. NO SEX [/QUOTE]Uh. Yeah. Right.

[QUOTE=HoyaSvnFgr;2463459]The plus side with her is she doesn't ask for sugar. Her expectation is like normal dating. The sex is insane, mostly because she cums frequently and is very vocal during FC. She's even vocal during oral. The moaning when she's giving oral is so arousing. I truly believe this girl thoroughly enjoys it.[/QUOTE]After not seeing my SB for a couple of weeks due to family vacations and whatnot, we ended up on the wrong side of Aunt Flo this week. When that happens I've repeatedly made it clear that I'm ok with a no-sex hangout session (there's no sugar involved at this point). And so we spend some relaxing time catching up, cuddling, etc. Until the kissing got too intense and she couldn't help herself. Down came the shorts, and it was off to the races. Just one of a hundred data points that this girl truly loves oral. In her mind I don't think a trip to the FC would be complete without at least one BJ to completion.

But I still have to do a quick mental adjustment whenever that happens. I've been so conditioned by years of the SO treating a BJ like an ultimate gift / sacrifice, and as a result, usually not a terribly good one. But my SB seems to live to give oral.

Of course, now that I have a receptive partner, I'm finding that I really love to reciprocate. It's been fun to watch [B]her[/B] have to take the mental leap that a guy would (a) be any good at it, and (b) really, really enjoy doing it.

[QUOTE=Walruscl;2464041]After not seeing my SB for a couple of weeks due to family vacations and whatnot, we ended up on the wrong side of Aunt Flo this week. When that happens I've repeatedly made it clear that I'm ok with a no-sex hangout session (there's no sugar involved at this point). And so we spend some relaxing time catching up, cuddling, etc. Until the kissing got too intense and she couldn't help herself. Down came the shorts, and it was off to the races. Just one of a hundred data points that this girl truly loves oral. In her mind I don't think a trip to the FC would be complete without at least one BJ to completion.

But I still have to do a quick mental adjustment whenever that happens. I've been so conditioned by years of the SO treating a BJ like an ultimate gift / sacrifice, and as a result, usually not a terribly good one. But my SB seems to live to give oral.

Of course, now that I have a receptive partner, I'm finding that I really love to reciprocate. It's been fun to watch [B]her[/B] have to take the mental leap that a guy would (a) be any good at it, and (b) really, really enjoy doing it.[/QUOTE]When I was married I was always pretty satisfied with the sex when I got it. And I had a strong attraction to my SO. But did I ever get it enough or was it as much overall fun as it is now? Sometimes, as we did go on a lot of romantic weekend trips (maybe once a month), but not nearly as often as it is now where any day of the week could be amazing. And my expectations are much higher now than they were then. Like any interest, over time you get more particular and in tune to what it is you really want and need.

So since I seem to be getting involved in this thread, might as well introduce myself. In my mid 30's, and spent most of my life here in SW Ohio. Blissfully single. Been hobbying the last few years, and now looking to try out the Sugar Bowl.

I'm in the computer industry and have a solid income, but for a variety of reasons (including frugality) my hobbying budget is somewhat limited compared to you guys (probably looking at more like 6 $/ mo). Fortunately, I'm also not looking to meet anywhere near as frequently as most of you, either. I'm really only looking for quality over quantity, maybe one or two SBs at a time. One meeting a week would be fine, especially given that it's more than what I'm doing now anyway. Obviously I'd take as much as I can get, but not planning to give HollywoodGuy a run for his money any time soon.

I've never been into the club / bar thing, or even all that much in the way of serious relationships. I'm also something of a stereotypical "nice guy", and have had a hard time in the past saying "no" when people ask for help. On top of that, I also have a tendency to get focused on one thing that I like, to the exclusion of alternate possibilities. Obviously, I'm going to have to really work on my mindset as I go along. Got to really learn to get my game face on, stick to the plan, and not get too hung up on particular possibilities too much.

Joined SA back at the start of the year and bookmarked an initial list of favorites. Paid up for one month, let it lapse, and decided to get serious about things last week. At this point I've got a pretty lengthy list of favorites, as well as a number who have favorited or contacted me.

So, as I prepare to dive in, here's the current situation. There's a couple girls in particular I really want to get to know (one I could actually see a chance to mentor a bit based on her profile). Another girl was actually recommended to me as a possibility. There's also a few who have messaged me recently and definitely expressed NSA-type interest, and finally others who listed NSA in their profiles.

There's no lack of possibilities as I start out. The real question is who do I contact first. Part of me wants to contact the mentor POT and the recommended POT, but the rest of me is thinking I should probably hold off on that, and respond to the girls who have contacted me already. Get some experience, see how those pan out, then contact the actual top possibilities once I've got more game.

Will try to post some occasional progress updates for you guys as I go along. Comments and suggestions are always welcome, of course, including thoughts on initial targets.

If you want to get with a young 8 or 9 in the DC area you are going to come off 700+. They're not going for anything less than that in my experience and someone is probably giving it to them.

[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;2464243]When I was married I was always pretty satisfied with the sex when I got it. And I had a strong attraction to my SO. But did I ever get it enough or was it as much overall fun as it is now? Sometimes, as we did go on a lot of romantic weekend trips (maybe once a month), but not nearly as often as it is now where any day of the week could be amazing. And my expectations are much higher now than they were then. Like any interest, over time you get more particular and in tune to what it is you really want and need.[/QUOTE]Sex with my GF follows the pattern of every other relationship I've ever been in -- it becomes more of a routine part of life, like eating. I mean we all know the difference when we get a fantastic meal for dinner, but if we get a meal of similar quality every night, then the bar is raised and we get the same amount of overall satisfaction as if we got an average meal every night. The worst part however is that the euphoric feeling of a fantastic meal is much more elusive, because the definition of fantastic got changed when the bar was raised.

So yes, I'd say sex with the GF is good but it's never going to match sex with a stranger. Variety has always had a higher excitement factor for me. However, I've found that with SBs, the excitement factor isn't the same as with dating. It should be, god knows the girls are hot enough, and yes there is a sort of intrinsic excitement in banging someone less than half my age.

Yet, it still cannot provide me the same thrill the civy dating scene always did. There are a couple of reasons, purely psychological ones to be sure. First and foremost, in civy dating I always liked the idea of not knowing how things would turn out. I look back and there were these "spikes" of euphoria or excitement at certain points along the way. For example, spotting someone I wanted to talk to at a bar or club, and heading over to approach her -- there is something exciting and somewhat scary about not knowing if you're going to get her or get rejected by her. That fleeting combination of insecurity / bravado / curiosity is something I rarely get a chance to feel these days, and it doesn't happen with online dating of any type (including SD dating). Online civy dating has it's moments too -- meeting for the first time while not knowing if she looks as good as her pic, smelling her shampoo the first time she gets in the car. And best of all those times when it ends up going from dinner to bedroom in only a couple of hours.

I don't get those moments, at least not with the same intensity, from M&G with sugarbabies. The game I developed in civy dating apparently works a little too well as an SD -- so much so that I feel like some of the "game" has been removed. The hunt that was my core motivation in the first place. It's been replaced by a feeling of shooting fish in a barrel. One could say that there is some thrill to be had by the element of risk (I. E. Avoiding getting caught by the SO), but I don't get much out of that because I don't really have any sort of vendetta goal for my GF. She's a pretty good partner overall, maybe even a great one. If she were a real pain in the ass I might bang SBs just to be spiteful, but it's not like that at all. Which leads me to the next reason I'm getting diminishing returns from the bowl: my relationship with her seems to be getting better and better. The sex is what it is and will never return to the excitement it held when I first met her, but the part of a relationship that holds long-term rewards seems to be growing.

All truth be told, I really only do the SD thing these days for one reason -- because she goes to visit her family and leaves me here on my own. I normally summarize the situation by saying I don't like to be alone, but it's even more than that. I don't even know what to do with myself when alone if not chasing pussy -- it's like I don't cope well with boredom or isolation. I've been chasing pussy literally since before my teen years, but only when I was alone. Whenever I've been alone in my life (outside a relationship), I was like an always-on pussy scanner, looking for opportunity to get laid wherever I could find it. When I was single I probably had an account on every dating site available, and I would schedule new dates on weeknights when possible so that I could leave the weekends open for bar hopping. But when I'm in a relationship (and she's physically near enough to satisfy my sexual needs), it's like a switch is flipped off.

As soon as she leaves town, the switch is back on and it's just like I was a horny teenager again. Then "the game" tends to become meet and bang as many SBs as possible before she gets back, just to satisfy the need for variety. A need that, oddly enough, I probably won't even feel once she returns.

Weird, I know. I don't even understand it myself.

IluvSmellyFish,

Your situation is right on w / mine. SBs are great fun if you score good ones, but M&G, chatting, arranging for FC (I. E. , hotel), and hotel cost are all a bit too much hazard for me comparing to typical mongering experience.

The bowl is still tempting though.

[QUOTE=IluvSmellyFish;2462232]I generally agree with the position that SBs ate sweeter and more fun. A few months ago I also thought I was done with mongering. This is no longer the case. Don't get me wrong, but the bowl does have its downsides. The downsides I am about to point out mainly relate to my specific situation though (e. G. I have an SO I have no intention of leaving, my location, my disposable income, etc.) so please take them with a grain of salt.

I've found recently that hotel prices in my region are two to three times what they were in the winter. Makes sense, but when you consider that into the budget, it makes trips to the FC very expensive. This of course is not an issue with those SDs who can host or who have SBs who ate willing to host. Unfortunately I cannot, and have yet to have a SB who can.

I have also found that I get bored of my SBs quickly. My current rotation is boring me only after a few months. I have my SO who fills my mental and emotional needs. Having SBs are great for their youth, the thrill of the "chase" and the newness of a new girl begging you to take their anal virginity, but like all relationships things get stale after a while. Some of these girls are sweet, but listening to some of them drivel on about their dreams of becoming an actress or a model, or whine about how some photographer didn't capture their picture which is why they didn't get a certain job can be exhausting.

While the contrast to mongering is obvious and the downsides of that world as compared to the bowl have already been well documented (e. G. SBs don't generally see 4 or 5 guys a day, etc.) I have recently realized that I will probably not fully exit that world either.

The quality of agencies in my region are outstanding. The large number of options also makes things very easy on my budget. Moreover, the work involved involves making a call or sending a text. No endless meet and greets, and games.

Don't get me wrong, I doubt I will ever leave the bowl either. I guess what I'm trying to say is that there are upsides and downsides to both worlds. I suspect that when I have more time, when hotel costs drop back down, and when I end things with my current rotation (which will happen shortly since I'm growing bored of my existing lineup), I will re-up my SA account and back to setting up m&gs.

In the meantime, best of luck to all the players in the bowl![/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=JeezLizard;2464381]
As soon as she leaves town, the switch is back on and it's just like I was a horny teenager again. Then "the game" tends to become meet and bang as many SBs as possible before she gets back, just to satisfy the need for variety. A need that, oddly enough, I probably won't even feel once she returns.Weird, I know. I don't even understand it myself.[/QUOTE]It's called being happily married.

JL:

As soon as she leaves town, the switch is back on and it's just like I was a horny teenager again. Then "the game" tends to become meet and bang as many SBs as possible before she gets back, just to satisfy the need for variety. A need that, oddly enough, I probably won't even feel once she returns. Weird, I know. I don't even understand it myself.

When is she leaving? We look forward to the frenetic activity and reportage.

Zcochran00.

So since I seem to be getting involved in this thread, might as well introduce myself. In my mid 30's, and spent most of my life here in SW Ohio. Blissfully single. Been hobbying the last few years, and now looking to try out the Sugar Bowl.

Welcome Z,it sounds like your OCD nature will result in some good reports. Again, young SDs like you and several others here can appeal to the girls more as peers, so the BF attraction is there and makes capturing a lot easier. At 30 yrs old you guys should have aa super high retention rate.

SmellyFish:

I generally agree with the position that SBs ate sweeter and more fun. A few months ago I also thought I was done with mongering. This is no longer the case. Don't get me wrong, but the bowl does have its downsides.

Mongering has a risk of LE capture --the ultimate life ruiner. I agree that a couple of HOs are easy but there is always the spectre that the girl is compromised and is a sting set up to save her ass.

Stale sex: always comes after a set period of time. If you love your partner in every other way and have not been exposed to the Bowl you can forgo strange sex. Once you have experienced strange there is no going back.

Hoya: Question? Are any of you guys banging your SB's raw dog?

Absolutely! Covered sex is a nonstarter for me. Can't feel anything even with ultra thins. If the girl won't go bare I won't take her.

[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;2464438]It's called being happily married.[/QUOTE]Much like it I suppose, without the actual legal spousal obligations, and with the intermittent lapse in personal integrity when she travels.

[QUOTE=FredMoore;2464633]JL:

When is she leaving? We look forward to the frenetic activity and reportage.
[/QUOTE]Wish I could accurately project. The more notice / lead time I have, the better I can prepare. It's one of those things I can't predict or influence, just take it when it comes and make the most of it.

It reminds me of online dating back in the 90's.

NEVER just say "Hi, I think you are interesting / cute / hot, lets meet" You have to chat them up, show them you are paying attention to their profile, their responses -- just like LISTENING to them on a date and asking questions about them, not just talking about yourself. Use complete sentences -- show that you aren't some text driven illiterate.

Even the girls who make it abundantly clear they just want to bang decent guys who have disposable income want to be "romanced" a little.

I would always offer a hotel for first FC visit, and let them offer to host, if they can. Many gals won't come to your place on first meeting for safety reasons. Should be neutral or their ground to make them feel a little more comfortable.

I had a business trip to PHL in my future, so I started contacting local SB candidates, letting them know I am a bi-monthly or even quarterly visitor to PHL and was looking for an SB for infrequent NSA fun. Being honest helped me weed out many, yet I still had a dozen hotties willing to visit the FC if meeting for drinks worked for them. Focued in on 3 or 4, but only one put in the time to message me regularly. Few emails a day for two weeks really got her comfortable and she fully opened up to me.

When we finally met, it was amazing. Barely made it through an appetizer and bottle of wine before she was asking for the check. She spent the night, 4 rounds of all access intense fucking with a self-proclaimed freak. $500. Bargain of the century. Guarantee it was all the playful lead up phone calls and emails -- she told me as much. Seeing her again as soon as I can arrange another trip -- even if that means having her meet me in another city. So much better than the pros.

Be honest, but not blunt.

Take the time to chat them up, make them feel like you will be going on a date.

[QUOTE=JeezLizard;2464677]Much like it I suppose, without the actual legal spousal obligations, and with the intermittent lapse in personal integrity when she travels.[/QUOTE]Happily Married. Only play when the cats away.

Unhappily Married. Throws it in her face or sneaks around when she (or you) is at work or on a "boys night out" thinking she doesn't know, but trust me she does.

And no paperwork, that is a plus. That paper will strangle you. I watch the "king of queens" just to remind myself. I only want to fuck pussy not be one.

[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;2464813]Happily Married. Only play when the cats away.

Unhappily Married. Throws it in her face or sneaks around when she (or you) is at work or on a "boys night out" thinking she doesn't know, but trust me she does.

And no paperwork, that is a plus. That paper will strangle you. I watch the "king of queens" just to remind myself. I only want to fuck pussy not be one.[/QUOTE]My idea of true marital bliss would be not only to be able to play while she's away, but to be able to play with her endorsement. Ideal situation is I have a clause in the prenuptials that says she has to bring home a minimum of 2 hot friends to me for bedroom play per week, else monetary fines accrue (interest compounded daily until my needs are met).

I know, not happening, but until it's a possibility I'll remain unmarried.

I can't remember the last time the wife went somewhere overnight without me. Even when her geezing parents need attention, we BOTH have to go to Gods waiting room to check on them.

My only saving grace is my occasional business trips, though many are just day trips. But I always budget in a couple or 3 hours of open time in my destination. When I do overnight, I can expect a couple of "checking up on me calls". If I don't answer my cell, she will call the hotel room to make sure I am there.

Funny thing is, she is worried about the wrong thing. I am NOT down at the bar or out to dinner trying to pick up some chick. Was NEVER good at that and am probably so out of practice and so obviously horny that only a pro at a bar would give me the time of day!

If she only knew. But only twice has she called when I was actually with some one -- one provider and my only SB experience, both of whom handled it perfectly. I know I have a few hours between the dinner call and the going to be call, then after 10 PM I am un-supervised if I choose to stay up late.

[QUOTE=JeezLizard;2464862]My idea of true marital bliss would be not only to be able to play while she's away, but to be able to play with her endorsement. Ideal situation is I have a clause in the prenuptials that says she has to bring home a minimum of 2 hot friends to me for bedroom play per week, else monetary fines accrue (interest compounded daily until my needs are met).

I know, not happening, but until it's a possibility I'll remain unmarried.[/QUOTE]My current requirement is a pre-nup on both our assets. But she must deposit 1 MM in after tax cash in my account and another in my daughters account. Whatever happens after that, who cares. And I can find my own pussy. And with all that cash I wouldn't have to look to far. LOL.

We can all dream.

Archer:"When we finally met, it was amazing. Barely made it through an appetizer and bottle of wine before she was asking for the check. She spent the night, 4 rounds of all access intense fucking with a self-proclaimed freak. $500. Bargain of the century. ".

Sounds like a great time but at $500/ session it should be. We could all get 20 SBs / week for that price. Not hating, but just stating the obvious. It all boils down to how much money you have to spend on this hobby. The more you have the better it goes. Hollywood has the cost effectiveness down to a science.

OTOH, if you only can screw around 4 times / year, a $500 investment for that level of service is well worth the price.

[QUOTE=Zcochran00;2464326]So since I seem to be getting involved in this thread, might as well introduce myself. In my mid 30's, and spent most of my life here in SW Ohio. Blissfully single. Been hobbying the last few years, and now looking to try out the Sugar Bowl.

Joined SA back at the start of the year and bookmarked an initial list of favorites. Paid up for one month, let it lapse, and decided to get serious about things last week. At this point I've got a pretty lengthy list of favorites, as well as a number who have favorited or contacted me.

So, as I prepare to dive in, here's the current situation. There's a couple girls in particular I really want to get to know (one I could actually see a chance to mentor a bit based on her profile). Another girl was actually recommended to me as a possibility. There's also a few who have messaged me recently and definitely expressed NSA-type interest, and finally others who listed NSA in their profiles.

There's no lack of possibilities as I start out. The real question is who do I contact first. Part of me wants to contact the mentor POT and the recommended POT, but the rest of me is thinking I should probably hold off on that, and respond to the girls who have contacted me already. Get some experience, see how those pan out, then contact the actual top possibilities once I've got more game.

Will try to post some occasional progress updates for you guys as I go along. Comments and suggestions are always welcome, of course, including thoughts on initial targets.[/QUOTE]I play in the same general area as you. Your budget is not unreasonable. If you don't need to pay for a hotel (summer rates here are double winter rates.) As you read through the old posts, you will hear a common theme: this is a numbers game. Contact all your POT's and propose a meet if they seem congenial. Be friendly but don't try to be "nice. ' You have to have some 'game' and if you don't know what that means, you need to do more research. Never get too interested in any one POT. It kills your game. You need to work large numbers at the beginning both to increase your odds of success and to get practice. Don't worry, never worry, about losing a POT. There are new women showing up every day. That bears repeating: there is a steady stream of new women on the site every day! Once you gain success with a few, you continue the hunt because eventually you or she will decide to move on. This is an ongoing thing not one with an end state. Unless you make a mistake. Feel free to PM me if you have specific questions about the SWO bowl.

BAM.

[QUOTE=FredMoore;2465023]Archer:"When we finally met, it was amazing. Barely made it through an appetizer and bottle of wine before she was asking for the check. She spent the night, 4 rounds of all access intense fucking with a self-proclaimed freak. $500. Bargain of the century. ".

Sounds like a great time but at $500/ session it should be. We could all get 20 SBs / week for that price. Not hating, but just stating the obvious. It all boils down to how much money you have to spend on this hobby. The more you have the better it goes. Hollywood has the cost effectiveness down to a science.

OTOH, if you only can screw around 4 times / year, a $500 investment for that level of service is well worth the price.[/QUOTE]I spent 12 hours with her. I'd say at $500 for an all access hottie is well worth it compared to $300 for an hour with a pro.

I have found plenty who will go $300 for a 2-3 hour session. I like the math of $200 more to wake up in the middle of the night and first thing in the AM with a boner to be fully serviced.

[QUOTE=BradAM;2465137]That bears repeating: there is a steady stream of new women on the site every day![/QUOTE]I repeat this to myself every time I lose a hottie to a better offer.

Or I could just do this.

[URL]http://bentleybeverlyhills.com/lease-specials/[/URL]

Just drive around town and see what happens. I wonder what the results would be like?. But I can only afford one or the other. Sugar or Car? Sugar or Car? I think I,ll take the sugar. At this price I could bang my regulars 20 times a month. Or bang a 10 quality hottie 4-8 times a month.or stay home and jerk off but look really cool when I go to the store. MILF's take notice. LOL. They would probably love doing it in the backseat. But then I would be stuck banging horny MILF's in the suburbs as opposed to a 19 year old that wouldn't really give a shit.

"Hello I would love to meet & fuck for money. Let me kno if your interested. ".

Did she just offer to pay me to fuck her? It would have to be a lot.
As I developed a bad case of GCS after seeing her profile.

[URL]https://www.seekingarrangement.com/member/ed48e68d/view?conversation-inbox[/URL]

[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;2465215]"Hello I would love to meet & fuck for money. Let me kno if your interested. ".

Did she just offer to pay me to fuck her? It would have to be a lot.
As I developed a bad case of GCS after seeing her profile.

[URL]https://www.seekingarrangement.com/member/ed48e68d/view?conversation-inbox[/URL][/QUOTE]Isn't GCS just another form of 'game?' By the way, she doesn't look like a "heavy smoker!

BAM.