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[QUOTE=Sorbarian;1710372]Be careful who you share info with guys, even seniors. One of them plays for the other side.[/QUOTE]We are delusional if we think its just one. We should always be on high alert! Remember that. Make sure you are thinking with the right head.
Be safe.
[QUOTE=Jman3848; 1712864]We are delusional if we think its just one. We should always be on high alert! Remember that. Make sure you are thinking with the right head.
Be safe.[/QUOTE]You're right, there may be more than one mole!
I've had quite a few of you email me asking if I know who it is or for specifics. I'm going to answer all of you here. I don't know who it is, I could probably try to figure it out based on who I've shared numbers with but I don't really have the time or inclination to do so. Two separate providers I know have told me they have been confronted by LE after arranging a meeting by saying they are senior member here and got their numbers from other seniors. I'm pretty sure I gave one number to the first, don't know about the second.
Be safe guys!
BTW, anyone ever seen Mia, the latino that posts on BP?
[QUOTE=Sorbarian; 1713038]You're right, there may be more than one mole!
I've had quite a few of you email me asking if I know who it is or for specifics. I'm going to answer all of you here. I don't know who it is, I could probably try to figure it out based on who I've shared numbers with but I don't really have the time or inclination to do so. Two separate providers I know have told me they have been confronted by LE after arranging a meeting by saying they are senior member here and got their numbers from other seniors. I'm pretty sure I gave one number to the first, don't know about the second.
Be safe guys!
BTW, anyone ever seen Mia, the latino that posts on BP?[/QUOTE]I'm sure more than one senior has been busted, and since the penalty and what it takes to get a conviction is pretty much a joke. The only thing a (person who got bullied in high school). abbreviation by LE will hold over that person is the threat of notifying family / work / friends.
In short. Some Seniors are now LE's *****. Informants
[QUOTE=IIkee; 1713548]I'm sure more than one senior has been busted, and since the penalty and what it takes to get a conviction is pretty much a joke. The only thing a (person who got bullied in high school). Abbreviation by LE will hold over that person is the threat of notifying family / work / friends.
In short. Some Seniors are now LE's. Informants[/QUOTE]There is a lot of truth in your post and people should listen.
[QUOTE=IIkee; 1713548]I'm sure more than one senior has been busted, and since the penalty and what it takes to get a conviction is pretty much a joke. The only thing a (person who got bullied in high school). Abbreviation by LE will hold over that person is the threat of notifying family / work / friends.
In short. Some Seniors are now LE's. Informants[/QUOTE]To what end would this be practical? Unless, there is something bigger than more prostitution and John busts.
Time to come clean. I was busted with an SW about 2 years ago and could never motivate myself to tell the board about it. I should have posted about it at the time to help my fellow mongers but I was disillusioned with the hobby for a bit. However, I couldn't keep quiet after reading all this talk about people flipping and working for the cops if they get caught because of all the repercussions. I feel like some people may have a misperception about what happens in these situations.
Got pulled over with a girl in the car, got nervous, and made the mistake of talking to the cop, even though I denied all wrong-doing if I could go back I would have REMAINED THE FUCK SILENT and DECLINED THE SEARCH. I was arrested but am uncertain if that would have happened had I not also been driving someone else's car that had something illegal in it. I was in the jail for about a day and then bailed out. My lawyer got the prostitution dropped and a measly fine for the illegal item.
I am not saying every bust is the same, but in my situation it was a relatively minor experience in my life and there was no push by the cop to "flip" me. There was no contact to my family (Not that my wife would care, she knows what I do on the side). I think we may have an over-inflated view of how much LMPD cares about our activities. I am not saying its impossible there could be a mole but just wanted to give my personal experience surrounding the whole "If you get caught you will go informant" talk.
And as a side note NEVER FUCKING TALK TO POLICE, ever. EVER. Decline all searches, ask if you are being detained or free to go, and leave as soon possible. If only I had known then what I know now I would have told the girl to stay in the car, not answered any questions, and walked away with a very minor traffic violation- instead I had to pay 400 bucks total in fines / lawyer.
Sorry for the overly long post,
James
Edit: Also wanted to say thanks to sorbarian for the info on Keisha- it paid off well and she was a very sweet girl. I WILL be back to see her soon. I wouldn't say the best BJ I've ever had but very good for the SW price range.
[QUOTE=Jman3848;1713920]There is a lot of truth in your post and people should listen.[/QUOTE]And to you as well my friend.
[QUOTE=James Braddock; 1714104]Time to come clean. I was busted with an SW about 2 years ago and could never motivate myself to tell the board about it. I should have posted about it at the time to help my fellow mongers but I was disillusioned with the hobby for a bit. However, I couldn't keep quiet after reading all this talk about people flipping and working for the cops if they get caught because of all the repercussions. I feel like some people may have a misperception about what happens in these situations.
Got pulled over with a girl in the car, got nervous, and made the mistake of talking to the cop, even though I denied all wrong-doing if I could go back I would have REMAINED THE FUCK SILENT and DECLINED THE SEARCH. I was arrested but am uncertain if that would have happened had I not also been driving someone else's car that had something illegal in it. I was in the jail for about a day and then bailed out. My lawyer got the prostitution dropped and a measly fine for the illegal item.
I am not saying every bust is the same, but in my situation it was a relatively minor experience in my life and there was no push by the cop to "flip" me. There was no contact to my family (Not that my wife would care, she knows what I do on the side). I think we may have an over-inflated view of how much LMPD cares about our activities. I am not saying its impossible there could be a mole but just wanted to give my personal experience surrounding the whole "If you get caught you will go informant" talk.
And as a side note NEVER FUCKING TALK TO POLICE, ever. EVER. Decline all searches, ask if you are being detained or free to go, and leave as soon possible. If only I had known then what I know now I would have told the girl to stay in the car, not answered any questions, and walked away with a very minor traffic violation- instead I had to pay 400 bucks total in fines / lawyer.
Sorry for the overly long post,
James.
Edit: Also wanted to say thanks to sorbarian for the info on Keisha- it paid off well and she was a very sweet girl. I WILL be back to see her soon. I wouldn't say the best BJ I've ever had but very good for the SW price range.[/QUOTE]Thanks for this really good information! I have always said you don't ever say anything to the police, it's their job to put you in jail. Many people foolishly believe they can talk their way out of a situation. Also, keisha is one of my best BJ's ever at any price range. Once she knows you, you can grab the back of her head and pound her throat and shoot it straight down to her stomach. If that's your thing, she's your girl. Oh yeah, then she'll lick and suck from top to bottom to make sure she didn't leave a mess. Now that's service.
I was in your fine city early last week for a couple days. However, I was very disappointed in the overall mongering scene. I went out several times at night (portland, OL, and 3rd / 4th) and didn't see anything at all worth stopping for. I have never had this happen before in your town. Granted, it was fricking cold there for March! Maybe too cold even for the SW's?
I should have PM'd a couple guys that helped me out with BP recommendations before I came to town last time, but I came to town on short notice. (they really helped me out last time.)
BTW, we have a "senior" on our board (San Diego) that is LE. I know this for sure as I have a friend in in the PD that told me that. But our SW scene is totally dead now so it doesn't matter. Regardless, I highly doubt you have a "mole", though. (senior monger becoming informant)
Very good posts recently about the LE / mole / informant thing.
That's partly why I never answered several of the PMs I got recently regarding my most recent post in this forum section. I know Star (E) was one of the girls who got messed with by a "senior member," and that's how I first learned about this shadiness since she told me to be careful. Also, in regards to her, I see that her phone isn't working anymore so I hope nothing really serious happened to her. She is a nice girl and hope I can reconnect at some point.
Very good advice too, James. I personally have never been busted in one of these situations (:knocksonwood) but I will definitely use your recommendations if I do. Another thing that I would recommend, in addition to the helpful info you gave, is to do all you can to make sure that the girl isn't riding dirty (has her medicine on her or paraphernalia). This would mean that you are essentially riding dirty, because who knows if she is going to responsibility if you get pulled over. Obviously, it's usually impossible to know for sure if they're carrying something, but with most of these girls you can at least get a sense of what condition they're in and whether it's likely they have something on them. And you can also ask them straight up, too. Bottom line: you definitely don't want to be busted with a girl in your car AND also have crack or any other illegal narcotic in your car. That will invoke a whole different mess you're potentially involved in, and it could make your life much more difficult than just a simple charge of getting caught with a prostitute (more embarrassing, more expensive and potentially more consequential charges and attorney fees, and it clearly have an effect on your job / life.)
So, again, thanks for all good discussion here. We need to look out for one another so be careful everyone.
Good luck and stay safe.
Here's the thing people. I am neither going to rule in, or rule out the possibility of some member here flipping to save his own behind, but I believe that the likelihood of a whole, en masse, flip by multiple people is pretty slim. Take it from someone who deals in this system daily. First, Uncle Leo rarely has sufficient bargaining power. Quite simply, the charge for a John is a misdemeanor that carries a virtual slap on the wrist. If you have the wherewithall to retain counsel (which I strongly recommend) you can usually have the charge amended to some insignificant and non-descript charge like disorderly conduct. As such, the "cost" to a John is hardly sufficient to convince someone to "flip". Now that's not to say that some chickensh! T who doesn't know better hasn't been talked into it, but again, I doubt it is a mass migration to the other side.
More to the point, it is always the best advice to say absolutely nothing to any member of law enforcement. If you are stopped, you provide them your license and registration, nothing more. If you really feel the need to say anything STOP. You don't need to talk, answer or really do anything else and you most certainly don't consent to anything, be it a search, breathalyzer or anything else. Should you have the misfortune to be charged, for god's sake, get an attorney. I don't care how many weeks of hobbying you have to skip to do so (it usually isn't that much for a misdemeanor) but noone, I repeat NOONE should ever go in front of a Judge without counsel.
In short, stay safe, keep your mouth shut and, when necessary, call an attorney.
[QUOTE=Dick Shafter; 1715037]Very good posts recently about the LE / mole / informant thing.
That's partly why I never answered several of the PMs I got recently regarding my most recent post in this forum section. I know Star (E) was one of the girls who got messed with by a "senior member," and that's how I first learned about this shadiness since she told me to be careful. Also, in regards to her, I see that her phone isn't working anymore so I hope nothing really serious happened to her. She is a nice girl and hope I can reconnect at some point.
Very good advice too, James. I personally have never been busted in one of these situations (:knocksonwood) but I will definitely use your recommendations if I do. Another thing that I would recommend, in addition to the helpful info you gave, is to do all you can to make sure that the girl isn't riding dirty (has her medicine on her or paraphernalia). This would mean that you are essentially riding dirty, because who knows if she is going to responsibility if you get pulled over. Obviously, it's usually impossible to know for sure if they're carrying something, but with most of these girls you can at least get a sense of what condition they're in and whether it's likely they have something on them. And you can also ask them straight up, too. Bottom line: you definitely don't want to be busted with a girl in your car AND also have crack or any other illegal narcotic in your car. That will invoke a whole different mess you're potentially involved in, and it could make your life much more difficult than just a simple charge of getting caught with a prostitute (more embarrassing, more expensive and potentially more consequential charges and attorney fees, and it clearly have an effect on your job / life.)
So, again, thanks for all good discussion here. We need to look out for one another so be careful everyone.
Good luck and stay safe.[/QUOTE]
Hi guys,
Was wanting to give Star a try. I've got Keshia's # if you have Star's.
Thanks in advance.
Hi Guys,
I'm wanting to give Star a try and would like to get her.
I've got Keisha's if you want to trade.
I wish it would warm up already crusied ol the last 2 nights with no luck whatsoever guess the cold keeps them hidden or theres a lack of talent these days.
[QUOTE=NoName Ky; 1716718]Hi Guys,
I'm wanting to give Star a try and would like to get her.
I've got Keisha's if you want to trade.[/QUOTE]She told me that on 2/28 she was going to stop seeing new people but may see people she knows. She hasn't responded at all since then so I'm assuming she's gone.