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Hi guys,

Are we talking about Crystal, the older woman that ran (maybe still does) the office in Middletown?

I never saw her due to lack of interest (same with Renee) but have been to the office probably a year or so ago. If we are talking about the same office, there was some nice talent there at one time.

I had heard from a local that this Crystal was involved with what most would consider shady at best. I didn't put too much into it at the time but this would certainly make one think there was some truth to it.

It sucks that you had to put up with this kind of crap. It just proves that we are not friends with the talent. We are customers and they provide a service. I know that I have become friendly with a few and have at times probably given up too much information. But when you see this kind of crap happening, it is an eye opener and snaps you back to reality. They use fake pics and give fake names. Most have burn phones and if they are talking they are lying. From her own admission, the Jenna's have hidden cameras. We have to be equals. Use a fake name, your burn phone and give no personal information. Leave everything in the room when you leave and go back to your real life. We are both using each other for what we want.

After all, it is just a hobby.

I also want to share that I have been given some information that I believe to be reliable. Take it for what it is worth and use it if you see fit.
There is one or more offices in the east end that may have been penetrated with some undercover workers. I am not talking about the type of undercover workers that we all seek either. Take this and add to it that there are some from My1501 that are still on the front pages while facing possible charges. More often than not, in our justice system those facing charges are given opportunities for lesser penalties if they cooperate. This combined with some other information I have recieved lead me to believe that mongers are being targeted as well as providers. My best advice, and the plan I am following, is to see those that I know as regulars and that I know are safe. There are always newbies popping up and we are all tempted to try something new. But before taking a dip in a new pond, do your homework.

Stay safe my friends. Stay smart.

SS,

[QUOTE=Funtongue13; 1307730]Hi,

Some of you may have noticed, not that I'm a narcissist or anything, that I haven't been posting in several weeks. My last posts had concerned my experiences with Crystal and Renee. In fact I had posted on Renee's behalf. I promised a story concerning Crystal at the time.

Unfortunately, someone who frequents this forum passed on this information to Crystal and her minions. As a result, I was met at my: place of work, and my home by two thug want to-be's who made it a point to try and disabuse me of any ideas I might have in my head concerning Crystal.

Fortunately, I have an excellent neighborhood watch, and the assholes were quickly dispatched by the local constables: Also my old lady was not home. The incident at work ended in ugliness for me and awkward questions from my employer.

My goal here is two-fold. I became complacent in familiarity, and did not keep my radar up. Also, fellow-mongers. Don't report to the girls what your reading on here. Especially if it's negative. The ones that are too stupid or broke to get there own computer don't need to here second hand about this site.

Has anyone else had similar experiences? Would any of my peers here care to admit your role in this?[/QUOTE]I have always been untrusting of anyone I have seen in this hobby, but over the years I have become less guarded, not to the point that I give them my job and home info, but then again how hard would it be for a provider to have someone follow you after you leave if they wanted to cause trouble. Guard is back up 100. Thanks for the story and hopefully it is over for you!

[QUOTE=TheSportScout; 1308665]Hi guys,

Are we talking about Crystal, the older woman that ran (maybe still does) the office in Middletown?

I never saw her due to lack of interest (same with Renee) but have been to the office probably a year or so ago. If we are talking about the same office, there was some nice talent there at one time.

I had heard from a local that this Crystal was involved with what most would consider shady at best. I didn't put too much into it at the time but this would certainly make one think there was some truth to it.

It sucks that you had to put up with this kind of crap. It just proves that we are not friends with the talent. We are customers and they provide a service. I know that I have become friendly with a few and have at times probably given up too much information. But when you see this kind of crap happening, it is an eye opener and snaps you back to reality. They use fake pics and give fake names. Most have burn phones and if they are talking they are lying. From her own admission, the Jenna's have hidden cameras. We have to be equals. Use a fake name, your burn phone and give no personal information. Leave everything in the room when you leave and go back to your real life. We are both using each other for what we want.

After all, it is just a hobby.

I also want to share that I have been given some information that I believe to be reliable. Take it for what it is worth and use it if you see fit.

There is one or more offices in the east end that may have been penetrated with some undercover workers. I am not talking about the type of undercover workers that we all seek either. Take this and add to it that there are some from My1501 that are still on the front pages while facing possible charges. More often than not, in our justice system those facing charges are given opportunities for lesser penalties if they cooperate. This combined with some other information I have recieved lead me to believe that mongers are being targeted as well as providers. My best advice, and the plan I am following, is to see those that I know as regulars and that I know are safe. There are always newbies popping up and we are all tempted to try something new. But before taking a dip in a new pond, do your homework.

Stay safe my friends. Stay smart.

SS, [/QUOTE]Wrong Crystal. The Crystal that was in Middletown is not the fat Crystal that ran with Renee.

I would say that I have also heard similar information that one of the locations is not what it may seem. Stay safe my friends. Pick your independent gal and lay low for a while.

[QUOTE=Sunycide; 1309045]Wrong Crystal. The Crystal that was in Middletown is not the fat Crystal that ran with Renee.

I would say that I have also heard similar information that one of the locations is not what it may seem. Stay safe my friends. Pick your independent gal and lay low for a while.[/QUOTE]I can dig it. Dropped into Trixies and even there cats were whispering about the hottie on the day / night tip and heard it more than once. Thats whats up. Three fivo-o-mobiles sittin in the gas station lot up the street on my way out. And zero like nada on Algonquin & dixie even when its warm outside. Is it just me freakin out?

Had another dream about this young lady today. What can I say but that it was a pure pleasure and she is a real treasure. A lovely face with a very nice fugure and a here to please attitude. Needless to say that I am already looking forward to seeing her again.

Gentlemen she is a real jewel so please treat her right.

[QUOTE=MrsIndependent; 1309469]Today I get an email from an angry client that he didn't get a happy ending.

So I'm wondering how am I to tell who wants a happy ending and who don't!

Oneday I started to give a guy one and he jumps up and says oh no I don't want that stop.

Can we say spooked!

If you lay there get you massage and don't act flirty touchy ect I figure you want your massage only and you stay covered under the sheet.

If you want one some ask grab it so on.

So how am I to know who does or don't?[/QUOTE]I don't know about other guys, but I am ultra respectful and almost meek until the provider (during massage anyway) makes the first move. Some girls don't like to be touched, fondled, or talked to like that till they start their thing. Some (Randi for instance) don't like it at all, and she gives a HE everytime. I will tell you almost every guy who comes to you probably wants one (or at least would be cool with getting them) Yes, there will be those guys just looking for a massage, and when that happens, (like with the last guy) just say sorry and go on for the rest of the session with a normal massage, better that way than get angry clients and therefore less return business.

Another piece of advice I have, is when you tell them to get comfortable, stay in the room. I've had this happen a couple times, and I think it really increases the comfort level between providers and clients (also, it means I don't have to lay on a bed for 5 minutes while "getting comfortable" since it takes me like 20 seconds to lose shorts. I digress) and if they don't want a HE, they will probably make it clear at this time as they will not be comfortable with you in there while they are changing, otherwise, why would you care if she saw you, she is about to do way more than that anyway.

Finally, if you are not comfortable with staying in the room, use the towel as a barometer. If there is a towel on the table when I come to one of these (there is more often than not) I use that as a signal. If people wear the towel, more often than not it probably means they are just there for a massage. I never wear the towel and throw it on the floor, as an unspoken word that I am here for a HE.

If you have anything else about this question feel free to PM, as I am not writing it all on the forum, as the boys in blue like to read this stuff.

I am somewhat different. I always, and I mean always, try to grab some ass (except with Randi, because I knew of her reservations in advance). As such I don't really know how providers would initiate on someone they are unsure of. Most of the girls I see are atleast partially naked pretty early in the massage and we both know why I'm there. I never cover up with the towel and instead lay on it (Figure it provides their table some protection from the result of the HE) , but maybe you could tug lightly on the guy's towel and ask if he would like to get more comfortable?

[QUOTE=Cloud Strife; 1309592]I don't know about other guys, but I am ultra respectful and almost meek until the provider (during massage anyway) makes the first move. Some girls don't like to be touched, fondled, or talked to like that till they start their thing. Some (Randi for instance) don't like it at all, and she gives a HE everytime. I will tell you almost every guy who comes to you probably wants one (or at least would be cool with getting them) Yes, there will be those guys just looking for a massage, and when that happens, (like with the last guy) just say sorry and go on for the rest of the session with a normal massage, better that way than get angry clients and therefore less return business.

Another piece of advice I have, is when you tell them to get comfortable, stay in the room. I've had this happen a couple times, and I think it really increases the comfort level between providers and clients (also, it means I don't have to lay on a bed for 5 minutes while "getting comfortable" since it takes me like 20 seconds to lose shorts. I digress) and if they don't want a HE, they will probably make it clear at this time as they will not be comfortable with you in there while they are changing, otherwise, why would you care if she saw you, she is about to do way more than that anyway.

Finally, if you are not comfortable with staying in the room, use the towel as a barometer. If there is a towel on the table when I come to one of these (there is more often than not) I use that as a signal. If people wear the towel, more often than not it probably means they are just there for a massage. I never wear the towel and throw it on the floor, as an unspoken word that I am here for a HE.

If you have anything else about this question feel free to PM, as I am not writing it all on the forum, as the boys in blue like to read this stuff.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=MrsIndependent; 1309469]Today I get an email from an angry client that he didn't get a happy ending.

So I'm wondering how am I to tell who wants a happy ending and who don't!

Oneday I started to give a guy one and he jumps up and says oh no I don't want that stop.

Can we say spooked!

If you lay there get you massage and don't act flirty touchy ect I figure you want your massage only and you stay covered under the sheet.

If you want one some ask grab it so on.

So how am I to know who does or don't?[/QUOTE]The other advice you received is excellent. I am also somewhat reserved in my requests. I have found that I work off past reviews of knowing if a lady will provide an HE before I even ask. And, if she undresses a bit, that helps put me at ease. I think there are mutual 'signals' that often take place. The first time a client meets a woman, and visa versa, there is always a sense of hesitation. Is she legit and will she relax me? Is he LE or obnoxious, or is he a nice guy who's looking for the HE? I suspect the no towel is a signal and additionally, if during the massage, the hands make their way down toward the guy's balls and he moans or shows some sort of approval, then he's looking for the HE. And, if he invites you to undress after the flip, that's also a sign.

One thing. The guy who wrote you angry he got the HE. Wow. It sounds like he felt guilty or something. If he didn't want one he certainly could have had you stop. I mean, seriously. LOL

[QUOTE=Jake 4119; 1309620]The other advice you received is excellent. I am also somewhat reserved in my requests. I have found that I work off past reviews of knowing if a lady will provide an HE before I even ask. And, if she undresses a bit, that helps put me at ease. I think there are mutual 'signals' that often take place. The first time a client meets a woman, and visa versa, there is always a sense of hesitation. Is she legit and will she relax me? Is he LE or obnoxious, or is he a nice guy who's looking for the HE? I suspect the no towel is a signal and additionally, if during the massage, the hands make their way down toward the guy's balls and he moans or shows some sort of approval, then he's looking for the HE. And, if he invites you to undress after the flip, that's also a sign.

One thing. The guy who wrote you angry he got the HE. Wow. It sounds like he felt guilty or something. If he didn't want one he certainly could have had you stop. I mean, seriously. LOL[/QUOTE]From what I gathered, she got an email from someone angry that she did not finish him. Hence why she is now asking how to know for sure, because she was spooked by the first guy reacting to her proceeding to give it.

If I am wrong, feel free to correct me E.

[QUOTE=James Braddock;1309615]I am somewhat different. I always, and I mean always, try to grab some ass (except with Randi, because I knew of her reservations in advance). As such I don't really know how providers would initiate on someone they are unsure of. Most of the girls I see are atleast partially naked pretty early in the massage and we both know why I'm there. I never cover up with the towel and instead lay on it (Figure it provides their table some protection from the result of the HE) , but maybe you could tug lightly on the guy's towel and ask if he would like to get more comfortable?[/QUOTE]In my experience, when getting the first part of the rub, and she works her way around my butt; I raise my ass slightly in the air to allow access to the boys. This lets them know that you want more, and if she "accidentally" brushes you. You tell her how much you like her method. This works for me everytime.

[QUOTE=MrsIndependent;1309469]So how am I to know who does or don't?[/QUOTE]Um. I always want one! Just saying.

[QUOTE=Boner889;1308888][b]I have always been untrusting of anyone I have seen in this hobby, but over the years I have become less guarded, not to the point that I give them my job and home info, [u]but then again how hard would it be for a provider to have someone follow you after you leave if they wanted to cause trouble[/u].[/b] Guard is back up 100. Thanks for the story and hopefully it is over for you![/QUOTE]This just emphasises my contention that [b]for you, the client, the anonymity & convenience of going to an incall has alot of other risks that you can avoid by having an outcall come to you at some discreet "notel" of your choice! [/b] I realize that some of you don't want the possible "paper trail" that having a motel registration in your name (verified by them copying your identification for their records even if you pay cash) may leave: [u]but these horror-stories just illustrate that going to her at her location can be far worse[/u]! It might be easier to find a way to avoid having the room in your name than it will be to avoid having her pimp, or whomever, get your vehicle-description_&_plate# or follow you home or to work when you leave! [b]Not to mention that your chances of walking into any ROBBERY or STING or TRAP are GREATLY reduced when YOU control the location! [/b]

[QUOTE=Boner889;1308888][b]I have always been untrusting of anyone I have seen in this hobby, but over the years I have become less guarded, not to the point that I give them my job and home info, [u]but then again how hard would it be for a provider to have someone follow you after you leave if they wanted to cause trouble[/u].[/b] Guard is back up 100. Thanks for the story and hopefully it is over for you![/QUOTE]This just emphasises my contention that [b]for you, the client, the anonymity & convenience of going to an incall has alot of other risks that you can avoid by having an outcall come to you at some discreet "notel" of your choice! [/b] I realize that some of you don't want the possible "paper trail" that having a motel registration in your name (verified by them copying your identification for their records even if you pay cash) may leave: [u]but these horror-stories just illustrate that going to her at her location can be far worse[/u]! It might be easier to find a way to avoid having the room in your name than it will be to avoid having her pimp, or whomever, get your vehicle-description_&_plate# or follow you home or to work when you leave! [b]Not to mention that your chances of walking into any [u]ROBBERY or STING or TRAP are GREATLY reduced when YOU control the location[/u]! [/b]

[QUOTE=Cloud Strife; 1309650]From what I gathered, she got an email from someone angry that she did not finish him. Hence why she is now asking how to know for sure, because she was spooked by the first guy reacting to her proceeding to give it.

If I am wrong, feel free to correct me E.[/QUOTE]Oops, I misread her post. My apologies. My blunder on how I ended my comments. I'm gathering, now, he gave no sort of indication and left upset. Actually, this has happened to me before and I didn't get what I had hoped for. Sometimes we are too subtle. LOL It's one thing to not get it and never have asked; it's another to ask and not receive it. My presumption here is a very cautious provider with a very quiet client. I cannot fault cautious providers and actually hard to blame quiet clients. Sometimes the communication just doesn't happen.

[QUOTE=MrsIndependent; 1310109]Thanks everyone for all the great advice!

Xoxoxo[/QUOTE]One additional thought: if a provider asks me, very generically,"Are there any areas in particular you would like me to stay away from," that gives me the opportunity to say, very enthusiastically,"No, feel free to go wherever you need to!" That makes it clear that she can touch any bits she wants to, with my active encouragement.